On 7/25/2026 at 9:35 AM, tomazbodner said:

except...

Eating a Maca donuts, KFC, Pizza once in a while is not going to kill you

eating them every single day may well hasten departure to the afterlife in certain cases

but probably not even all cases as there are many variables.

4 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Yes! You are reading me correctly Sir.

The 'complaints' you list in your post are not, in any way, caused by a virus, In fact they are all different symptoms of the body getting itself back into tip-top condition.

If you would like more info, don't hesitate to post.

Nature is us. We are nature.

Thank you very much for being so honest in sharing your opinion - and your beliefs.

It is certainly possible to hold differing opinions. However, when the existence of viruses is denied, this is no longer a matter of opinion; it contradicts scientifically established facts.

It would be for me the same if someone would tell me earnestly, that the eart is a flat slice.

Wish you all the best.

On 7/25/2026 at 7:55 PM, impulse said:

What's that? Are you claiming they checked for vaccination paperwork at the open border?

Remember how dystopian it was when we weren't allowed to eat out or go to the beach, but the "newcomers" had complete freedom of movement? When protesting the vaccine mandates got your bank account frozen, but protesting the police was fine?

The people from the South of the border came to Chicago and somehow contracted measles from the local population.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/wr/mm7319a1.htm

Then, they were exposed to tuberculosis shortly after crossing the border into the USA.

https://irl.umsl.edu/urs/130/

1 hour ago, Sigmund said:

Trillions of tax dollars spent by america in the last 50 years ...but a bit like most other developped countries, not much spent for the well being of their own and domestic issues. Disgraceful and Shame on all such nations, including those in western europe or the UK.

You clearly do not understand what you are talking about.

11 hours ago, Mr Awesome said:

The people from the South of the border came to Chicago and somehow contracted measles from the local population.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/wr/mm7319a1.htm

Then, they were exposed to tuberculosis shortly after crossing the border into the USA.

https://irl.umsl.edu/urs/130/

If all you read is the MSM, you'd probably miss the fact that most of the "outbreaks" are happening in migrant shelters and migrant communities. You almost have to look to the "unapproved sources" and the actual studies. Thanks for linking some.

The exception seemed to be the Mennonite community, which has seen an increase in measles cases. But their stance on vaccinations didn't change. What did change is their exposure to the millions of "newcomers".

5 hours ago, impulse said:

If all you read is the MSM, you'd probably miss the fact that most of the "outbreaks" are happening in migrant shelters and migrant communities. You almost have to look to the "unapproved sources" and the actual studies. Thanks for linking some.

The exception seemed to be the Mennonite community, which has seen an increase in measles cases. But their stance on vaccinations didn't change. What did change is their exposure to the millions of "newcomers".

"You almost have to look to the "unapproved sources" and the actual studies."

in other words, it's a lie! 😂

On 7/25/2026 at 7:35 AM, Jim Waldron said:

The US measles surge is the logical endgame of America’s “freedom experiment” in not vaccinating.

Though declared eliminated in 2000, it's now back with more cases in 18 months than the prior 25 years combined!

Sadly, as Dr Racine notes, children are bearing the brunt, with around 70% of cases in 2026 occurring in those under 20 years old, and nearly all patients unvaccinated.

The CDC may well call it an “avoidable public health failure" but the US seems determined to prove that ideology can 'trump' basic public health.

This isn’t innovation, it’s regression!

America would be a lot healthier if the complete vaccine schedule was scrapped. Along with 90% of BP medicine.

America went off the health rails many, many, years ago. The modern medical system is an absolute, anti-scientific, anti nature disgrace. All built on falsehoods, hoaxes and big, big $$$s. The present system is quackery on steroids.

Nature has the answers.

Edited July 29Jul 29 by Stiddle Mump

2 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

America went off the health rails many, many, years ago. The modern medical system is an absolute, anti-scientific, anti nature disgrace. All built on falsehoods, hoaxes and big, big $$$s. The present system is quackery on steroids.

"The modern medical system is an absolute, anti-scientific, anti nature disgrace."

Complaining about the pharma industrie and high prices is absoltley ok.

As this thread is about vaccines, you have disqualified yourself with several statements, and relegated yourself to the "tinfoil hat" camp.

You really need some help in my oppinion. The MAHA-guys know that they are talking bs. The biggest problem seems to be that you believe it.

Denying science as anti-scientific like the "MAHA"-guys who don't give a s**t about the US is really disturbing.

3 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

America would be a lot healthier if the complete vaccine schedule was scrapped. Along with 90% of BP medicine.

America went off the health rails many, many, years ago. The modern medical system is an absolute, anti-scientific, anti nature disgrace. All built on falsehoods, hoaxes and big, big $$$s. The present system is quackery on steroids.

Nature has the answers.

Nature can help in may ways. The problem lies when many people do things that get their bodies so out of whack they need medicines to keep them alive.

If their diet and lifestyle was changed, they can be weaned off many medicines, but many, like my own brother, didn't lose weight when he had diabetes. His heart got worse, where he needed medicine to keep the blood pressure low, but he still didn't listen and lose weight, so he had a heart attack.

It's true that doctors probably kill more people every year with over prescribing than many other ways of death, but they are needed to prescribe medicines that are needed by those many who let themselves go.

If people would start out young with a healthy lifestyle, they wouldn't need as many medicines as they use later in life. There are diseases in our world that can kill people, proven every day where healthy people die. People usually don't go from healthy to dead in a few days unless something is so powerful and fast acting happens. People get heart attacks from hurting themselves over time, usually a bad diet and or lack of movement. Covid killed many doctors and nurses in days, trying to save others afflicted.

I had H Pylori 2 years ago and finally got it eradicated after going on the 2 antibiotics and antacid regimen, which messed my stomach up to this day. I'm doing everything to get it back to normal and it's taken a long time because of the medicines that killed that H Pylori. That's an ailment most people carry, but only a smaller percentage are affected by it. if not curtailed with medicine, which has shown to be the only way, it can lead to gastro cancer. No ways of stopping it by nature,as they've tried.

Nature has some answers, and likely many more eventually, but there have been millions saved by vaccines, and millions that probably didn't need them, but better safe than sorry, especially with childhood maladies that can kill pretty quickly.

If people don't take blood pressure medicine when they're hearts have taken a beating by an unhealthy lifestyle, they can die. Trying out natural remedies, which always work slower than medicines, can have the patient dying before they help, whereas medicines can get the blood pressure down and keep it there. It's then up to them if they want to change their lifestyle to a healthier one.

37 minutes ago, Schoggibueb said:

Complaining about the pharma industrie and high prices is absoltley ok.

As this thread is about vaccines, you have disqualified yourself with several statements, and relegated yourself to the "tinfoil hat" camp.

You really need some help in my opinion. The MAHA-guys know that they are talking bs. The biggest problem seems to be that you believe it.

Denying science as anti-scientific like the "MAHA"-guys who don't give a s**t about the US is really disturbing.

Modern medicine, especially in the US, but not limited to just that country, is sheer quackery.

Research into the evolution of modern medicine shows that what we think of truths are nothing of the sort. Vaccines are mentioned in your post and I must ask you what are vaxxes supposed to be for? I'll step in and answer. To lessen the effects of - should they arise - or prevent, a specific disease. ASAIK all vaxxes are the response to a virus-causing illness/disease/sickness. A virus is said to cause a complaint and the vaxx is the answer. Well, show me a virus and I might change my mind. And I have looked; as have many others, and as of yet, no one has ever found one.

Here is a serious dilemma for the vaxx pushers, from the top $$$ wallers, to the know nothing white-coats pushing in the needle.

There is no virus IMO. And if there is no virus, how can it be claimed that a disease/sickness/illness is caused by one? And if it can't be shown, which it can't, that a complaint is caused by a virus, then what on earth is the value of a vaxx to counter balance the said complaint?

The whole theme of modern medicine is that of stifling symptoms when they arise. The fact that the symptoms are not the problem, but the cure, is lost on the medical charlatans.

The mighty Oak was once an acorn that stood its ground.

53 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

There is no virus IMO.

You write again repetitive that viruses do not exist.

Sorry to say - I will not read anything of you again on AN.

4 hours ago, Schoggibueb said:

You write again repetitive that viruses do not exist.

Sorry to say - I will not read anything of you again

Sorry that you feel that way. Another poor deluded sou that I can't get to even think.

Up to 1954 the test for a virus inevitably saw little monkey brains being injected with toxic filth from a petri-dish. Enders changed that when he sought a new virus-finding procedure. Importantly he did a control; that is the same procedure without the assumed 'virus' in next door's gloop.

The procedural steps were completed, in both experiments, and guess what? The tissue in both broke down. It was the procedure that caused the end result; not any supposed virus. His protocol and steps have been the 'ologist's method since.

As I say Sir; sorry to lose you.

6 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Up to 1954 the test for a virus inevitably saw little monkey brains being injected with toxic filth from a petri-dish. Enders changed that when he sought a new virus-finding procedure. Importantly he did a control; that is the same procedure without the assumed 'virus' in next door's gloop.

It seems you've been out of the loop for decades. Here's what you've missed:

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/894e/4f5eb31139a4e05db2fd8a1f0b4dbd49324a.pdf

Edited July 30Jul 30 by gamb00ler

22 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

It seems you've been out of the loop for decades. Here's what you've missed:

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/894e/4f5eb31139a4e05db2fd8a1f0b4dbd49324a.pdf

An estimated 15,000 to 30,000 professional virologists and dedicated virus researchers have actively worked worldwide at any given time over the last four decades since 1980, accumulating a cumulative total of roughly 50,000 to 80,000 individual scientists who have contributed significantly to the field across their careers.

And.... you're definitely NOT one of them.

Edited July 30Jul 30 by gamb00ler

4 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

An estimated 15,000 to 30,000 professional virologists and dedicated virus researchers have actively worked worldwide at any given time over the last four decades since 1980, accumulating a cumulative total of roughly 50,000 to 80,000 individual scientists who have contributed significantly to the field across their careers.

And.... you're definitely NOT one of them.

Professional hoaxers and fraudsters they are. None of the highly paid 'ologists have any credibility.

They have never found a virus, and they will not, as the virus is a mythical entity not found in nature. But they can magically manufacture them in their labs and show their presence in computers. However, as for isolating and purifying them??? Different story. Don't hear too much on that now; do we!

Contributed significantly eh!!! Contributed to what? Keeping the world a sick and unhealthy place? Contributed significantly to keeping their egos and lifestyle in the upper echelons. Contributed significantly to keeping the populous dumbed down.

',,,,definitely NOT one of them.' Got that in one Gamby Sir. I'd rather go to meet my maker with my integrity intact, and my head held high. Thank you.

''Oh vaccine man, where yer gonna run to on your judgement day?'' 'Keep yer baby still Mrs. We wouldn't want to hurt it now would we. Safe n effective. Safe and effective.'

Edited July 30Jul 30 by Stiddle Mump

14 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Professional hoaxers and fraudsters

Of course.... with all your experience.... you qualify as judge and jury.... site unseen.... LOL. 555

As for integrity... let's summarize....

After many posts (as owl sees all) in violation of the forum rules in effect... you were shown the door only to reappear in a disguise. Of course.... when caught out only defense was a deflection not even a denial or apology for the deception.

Apparently, you've selected AN as a site vulnerable to your nonsense..... LOL

I'm left with a strong impression of desperation.

Edited July 30Jul 30 by gamb00ler

1 hour ago, gamb00ler said:

Of course.... with all your experience.... you qualify as judge and jury.... site unseen.... LOL. 555

As for integrity... let's summarize....

After many posts (as owl sees all) in violation of the forum rules in effect... you were shown the door only to reappear in a disguise. Of course.... when caught out only defense was a deflection not even a denial or apology for the deception.

Apparently, you've selected AN as a site vulnerable to your nonsense..... LOL

I'm left with a strong impression of desperation.

As others also do, you are attacking the messenger.

Never mind singing the praises of the 'ologists who 'contributed significantly' - although you didn't say what they contributed significantly to - what about putting some meat on the bones and tell us how a virus can be shown to exist.

I say they are not found in nature. You seem to think they are. Forget the silly-billy words and let's have this matter out.

As for Owl sees all. He was retired due to the forum's stance on 'free Speech'. However, he did contribute to the forum during his tenure in other ways.

Edited July 30Jul 30 by Stiddle Mump

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

As others also do, you are attacking the messenger.

hmmmmm.... you're the one producing the nonsense. Nobody else unless there's an internet ghoul whispering in your ear. You're responsible.. you get the karma.

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

As for Owl sees all. He was retired due to the forum's stance on 'free Speech'.

Their forum... their rules..... .not your 'rules'. You knew that going in.... or should have.

But why the silly denials?

Edited July 30Jul 30 by gamb00ler

2 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

I say they are not found in nature. You seem to think they are. Forget the silly-billy words and let's have this matter out.

2 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

what about putting some meat on the bones and tell us how a virus can be shown to exist.

You're the one with bizarre notions....show us your academic record and grades achieved during your studies. When were you last in a laboratory doing an actual documented test? Where was it?

I'm sure you can find the same info on some of the better known REAL virologists.

See above chart and reference link provided prior to the current post I'm responding to.

Edited July 30Jul 30 by gamb00ler

12 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

You're the one with bizarre notions....show us your academic record and grades achieved during your studies. When were you last in a laboratory doing an actual documented test? Where was it?

I'm sure you can find the same info on some of the better known REAL virologists.

See above chart and reference link provided prior to the current post I'm responding to.

I'm surprised you still have the endurence to respond to someone who denies the existence of viruses. I really wonder if he / she believes what is posted by her / him.

But at least his / her bs is entertaining.

1 hour ago, gamb00ler said:

You're the one with bizarre notions....show us your academic record and grades achieved during your studies. When were you last in a laboratory doing an actual documented test? Where was it?

.

2008. Northwick Park Nth West London. Part of the support team on a big drug trial.

18 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

2008. Northwick Park Nth West London. Part of the support team on a big drug trial.

So nothing to do with virology, then?

2 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

Their forum... their rules..... .not your 'rules'. You knew that going in.... or should have.

But why the silly denials?

Not so long ago one could get a ban for suggesting that covid was caused by a lab leak. The most common narrative in the covid's era was that it jumped from an animal - bat, pangolin, fish, unicorn - in a Wuhan wet market. I recall posting that 5G could be responsible for the poor health of the Wuhan inhabitants; especially given the atrocious pollution of the place when 5G hit the city.

As the evidence emerges the needle shifts. But my position remains the same. The are no such entity as a pathogenic virus. There was no pandemic. There is no such thing as an infectious disease (measles?).

It is worth remembering that the Times of Israel reported on its front page that a pandemic was coming for Feb/March 2020. That was published in November 2019. Cat got out the bag a little early then.

What is this denial nonsense? Put some meat on the bones and tell us how a 'ologist finds a virus. Let's discuss.

9 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

What is this denial nonsense? Put some meat on the bones and tell us how a 'ologist finds a virus. Let's discuss.

I thought you were the 'research' wiz..... it's all out there and will fall in your lap as long as you don't

• ask loaded questions

• seek only confirming results.

Edited July 30Jul 30 by gamb00ler

17 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Not so long ago one could get a ban for suggesting that covid was caused by a lab leak. The most common narrative in the covid's era was that it jumped from an animal - bat, pangolin, fish, unicorn - in a Wuhan wet market. I recall posting that 5G could be responsible for the poor health of the Wuhan inhabitants; especially given the atrocious pollution of the place when 5G hit the city.

As the evidence emerges the needle shifts. But my position remains the same. The are no such entity as a pathogenic virus. There was no pandemic. There is no such thing as an infectious disease (measles?).

It is worth remembering that the Times of Israel reported on its front page that a pandemic was coming for Feb/March 2020. That was published in November 2019. Cat got out the bag a little early then.

What is this denial nonsense? Put some meat on the bones and tell us how a 'ologist finds a virus. Let's discuss.

I'll get you something to read instead of the trash you normally seek:

The query is:

what is the strongest evidence to confirm or refute the existence of virus

The strongest evidence confirming the existence of viruses comes from direct visual capture via Electron Microscopy, precision molecular sequencing via genomics, and reproducible physical isolation from infected hosts. These combined methods conclusively prove virus particles are real, distinct biological entities.

Direct Visual and Structural Evidence

• Cryo-Electron Microscopy (Cryo-EM): Allows scientists to freeze and image individual virus particles at near-atomic resolution, revealing exact geometric capsids and surface proteins.

• Transmission Electron Microscopy (TEM): Captures physical snapshots of viruses inside host cells during active replication cycles.

Genetic and Molecular Evidence

• High-Throughput Sequencing: Decodes the complete DNA or RNA genomes of viruses, proving they carry unique, functional genetic blueprints.

• Endogenous Viral Elements: Shows that ancient viral sequences are permanently integrated into the DNA of higher organisms, including humans.

Experimental Isolation

• Laboratory Culturing: Demonstrates that isolated, purified viral particles can be introduced to host cells to reliably trigger identical, reproducible infections and cellular destruction.

Edited July 30Jul 30 by gamb00ler

34 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

I'll get you something to read instead of the trash you normally seek:

The query is:

what is the strongest evidence to confirm or refute the existence of virus

The strongest evidence confirming the existence of viruses comes from direct visual capture via Electron Microscopy, precision molecular sequencing via genomics, and reproducible physical isolation from infected hosts. These combined methods conclusively prove virus particles are real, distinct biological entities.

Direct Visual and Structural Evidence

• Cryo-Electron Microscopy (Cryo-EM): Allows scientists to freeze and image individual virus particles at near-atomic resolution, revealing exact geometric capsids and surface proteins.

• Transmission Electron Microscopy (TEM): Captures physical

Experimental Isolation

• Laboratory Culturing: Demonstrates that isolated, purified viral particles can be introduced to host cells to reliably trigger identical, reproducible infesids and surface proteins.

• Transmission Electron Microscopy (TEM): Captures physical s

• Laboratory Culturing: Demonstrates that isolated, purified viral particles can be introduced to host cells to reliably trigger identical, reproducible infections and cellular destruction.

None of this explains how a 'virus' is isolated and purified. It's a lot of virology gobblegook. A virus has never been found to exist.

I know what isolation means, so do you. This nonsense about culturing in order to isolate an entity is just that; nonsense.

5 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

I know what isolation means, so do you. This nonsense about culturing in order to isolate an entity is just that; nonsense.

and your opinion is based on your experiments? Based in misinformation regarding the Enders experiments in 1954?

The truth is that the much maligned (amongst fringe elements) Enders experiment has been replicated and verified many times. The nay sayers are just fabricating lies about the verified research.

The measles virus was initially isolated in 1954 by John Enders and his close co-worker Thomas Peebles. Rather than separate external groups immediately replicating a distinct "Enders virus," John Enders worked alongside an integrated research team at Boston Children's Hospital and Harvard to study, characterize, and expand the findings.

Key Collaborators and Co-Researchers

• Thomas C. Peebles: Co-discovered and co-isolated the original Edmonston strain from patient blood samples with Enders in 1954.

• Kevin McCarthy: Worked with the Enders laboratory group to analyze the properties and behavior of the isolated agent.

• Milan Milovanovic: Collaborated on the further laboratory propagation and characterization of the measles culture.

• Anna Mitus: Assisted in clinical and laboratory verifications connected to the isolate.

• Ann Holloway: Participated in the subsequent cultivation and testing of the viral behavior.

Edited July 30Jul 30 by gamb00ler

19 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Up to 1954 the test for a virus inevitably saw little monkey brains being injected with toxic filth from a petri-dish. Enders changed that when he sought a new virus-finding procedure. Importantly he did a control; that is the same procedure without the assumed 'virus' in next door's gloop.

Please try to keep up with the progress of laboratory methods. You've been stuck forever in the 1890's..... don't be so scared of new knowledge.

The most modern approach to identifying and studying viruses bypasses traditional culture entirely using Next-Generation Sequencing (NGS), paired with ultracentrifugation or size-exclusion chromatography for physical isolation. [1, 2, 3]

Modern Methods (NGS and Physical Separation)

• Physical Isolation: Uses high-speed ultracentrifugation (30,000–100,000 X standard gravity ) or specialized chromatography columns (like Capto Core 700) to separate viral particles from fluid or tissue debris based on size and density.

• Genetic Identification (NGS): Extracts total nucleic acids from the isolated sample and sequences all RNA/DNA present. Bioinformatics tools then map the reads to identify viral genomes directly, without needing the virus to grow in a lab

• Speed and Scope: Results can be achieved in hours to days, and it detects unculturable or novel viruses that do not damage host cells in a dish.

John Enders’ Method (1949–1954)

• Tissue Culture: John Enders and his team grew viruses (like polio and measles) inside stationary stationary test-tube or roller-tube cultures of disaggregated human or animal embryonic tissues.

• Observation of Damage: They identified successful viral growth by tracking the cytopathic effect (CPE)—visible changes or destruction in the host cell monolayer under a light microscope.

• Limitation: It is labor-intensive, requires days or weeks, and only works for viruses that successfully infect and replicate in the chosen animal or human cell line.

On 7/26/2026 at 3:58 AM, Emdog said:

I thought arm scars were from smallpox vaccine.....measles does not leave a scar, fwiw (not much)

I'm from 50's kids and most of us got measles, and mumps, etc and smallpox vaccine (first used in 1796)

and poster who wrote 'Somehow we all survived."During the 1950s, the United States averaged nearly 500 measles deaths and over 500,000 reported cases each year, though actual infections reached an estimated 3 to 4 million annually" We don't hear from the dead ones, so assumption no one died somewhat understandable... kept numbers under wraps because didn't want a panic I suppose. Vaccine did come along til 1963. Previously Over 95% of children contracted measles by age 15 before the first vaccine was licensed in 1963.

500 is nothing, not even a rounding error or footnote in history. You'd have to have been a poor physical specimen or very unlucky to be one of the 500. The word "case" has been rendered utterly meaningless since 2019.