1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

No, it's a sign things have gotten out of control. It's a red flag.

The media manipulation is on the left - downplaying it to avoid responsibility for their messed up policies.

Yeah you can't really believe any of that <deleted>. Can't believe people still consume that garbage on the daily

William Rees-Mogg was no match even for John Major. He tried, and failed, to stop the Maastricht Treaty in the courts. For all their brains and money the Rees-Moggs achieved little, it was the more action-oriented Mr Farage who achieved what William Rees-Mogg could not.

How a Conservative PM faced a Rees-Mogg... in 1993

Behind the scenes of John Major's battle over the Maastricht treaty.

1 hour ago, Briggsy said:

Security will increase in response to crime increasing due to immigrants from lawless countries and income inequality (see above). This will take the form of private security around housing estates and harsher police action and tougher sentencing at courts.

Sorry, but the model you are describing sounds like a recipe for endless protests and potential anarchy.

Surely there must be a better solution.

Surely, this was orchestrated by Trump and Netanyahu.......the two world leaders both with a joint grudge against Spain.

"I read" it was via social media that the Moroccans were basically conned into this with promises of guaranteed Spanish citizenship if they stormed "Spain". albeit on the wrong continent.

2 minutes ago, MIke B Bad said:

"I read" it was via social media that the Moroccans were basically conned into this with promises of guaranteed Spanish citizenship if they stormed "Spain". albeit on the wrong continent.

An easy play to make when the idiot left-wing Spanish government gives passports to 500,000 illegal immigrants from Africa.

1 hour ago, FinChin67 said:

Many seem to refuse to see what is happening in Europe.

Yeah, but using force means there's a high probability of getting killed and family members getting killed. No one wants to go down that path.

An in-depth study on how to solve the migration problem -- a long term solution.

This is a govt publication, so presumably it has been submitted to govt bodies.

Basically, tackling the root cause at the source.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7183294/#Sec3

The European Union (EU), thus, has to structurally turn over economic resources for the development of Africa (and of Middle East), tackling the problems that are the main cause of migratory movements, analysing them and offering real help in their own home. Consequently, their priority has to be to invest in the countries of origin, because migration control has to be paid with money: financing, companies, information, facilitating their institutional, social, political and economic conditions in order that nobody will be obliged to leave their home, and creating sources of employment in those countries of origin.

yes.....

1 hour ago, Palatus said:

Cannot people be neutral and objective in your mind? I know its hard to think about with your armchair sleuth status, but give it a try, rack your brains if you can. If someone thinks right wing extremists are nut jobs like Mogg and GBNews they are automatically lefties when perhaps they might simply be neutral?

That's just silly to suggest they are right wing extremists, that's why people ignore you

1 hour ago, mfd101 said:

Rees Mogg, a former Conservative Party Minister, would be astonished to be called 'far right'. He's just conservative & right-of-centre in Britain, and also - as you can tell from the way he talks - pseudo-posh & upper crusty. Not unintelligent but not many people's cup of tea these days.

Rees Mogg is very popular, has good viewing figures for his YouTube channel, usually talks common sense

2 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

That's just silly to suggest they are right wing extremists, that's why people ignore you

How about Right Wing Extremists who are immigrants brainwashing the natives with low IQs?

Just change the people in this to Scoussers and Mancs with BREXIT on their shirts. 🤭

1 hour ago, scubascuba3 said:

Unfortunately lefty people like you are part of the problem, this is why it's been going on for years

Yet we had a 'right wing' government in power with extremists like Mogg, Jenrick, Johnson, Patel....et al for 14 years.....or had you forgotten?

3 minutes ago, SiSePuede419 said:

How about Right Wing Extremists who are immigrants brainwashing the natives with low IQs?

Just change the people in this to Scoussers and Mancs with BREXIT on their shirts. 🤭

You lose the argument when you lot class anyone on the right as right wing extremists

3 minutes ago, MIke B Bad said:

Yet we had a 'right wing' government in power with extremists like Mogg, Jenrick, Johnson, Patel....et al for 14 years.....or had you forgotten?

Yeah they failed because they went lefty, brought the country down, Starmer continued it and now Burnham

17 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Yeah, but using force means there's a high probability of getting killed and family members getting killed. No one wants to go down that path.

An in-depth study on how to solve the migration problem -- a long term solution.

This is a govt publication, so presumably it has been submitted to govt bodies.

Basically, tackling the root cause at the source.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7183294/#Sec3

The European Union (EU), thus, has to structurally turn over economic resources for the development of Africa (and of Middle East), tackling the problems that are the main cause of migratory movements, analysing them and offering real help in their own home. Consequently, their priority has to be to invest in the countries of origin, because migration control has to be paid with money: financing, companies, information, facilitating their institutional, social, political and economic conditions in order that nobody will be obliged to leave their home, and creating sources of employment in those countries of origin.

It's a real problem, the poverty of Africa will always make Europe seem like a promised land. So Europeans do need to make penalties for illegal immigration more draconian. Shooting people at the border would be insane, but if they make it easy like left-wing Spain that's just asking for trouble. Immigration, like drugs, maybe one of the problems that can't be solved. Only controlled.

Edited August 2Aug 2 by Cameroni

The defenders of the realm Burnbum and Mincer we are forked.

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

It's a real problem, the poverty of Africa will always make Europe seem like a promised land. So Europeans do need to make penalties for illegal immigration more draconian. Shooting people at the border would be insane, but if they make it easy like left-wing Spain that's just asking for trouble. Immigration, like drugs, maybe one of the problems that can't be solved. Only controlled.

What if Africa forms an African Union and decides to invade Europe?

20 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Yeah, but using force means there's a high probability of getting killed and family members getting killed. No one wants to go down that path.

We've seen how Israel deals with peaceful protestor boats heading towards Gaza. Well publicized on the news, and with video. The boats were intercepted in international waters, which was illegal.

The UK and EU need to start getting creative with the law. Perhaps they need to officially declare war against certain countries, without ever dropping a bomb on them, in order to be able to legally intercept the boats, thus everyone onboard becomes a prisoner of war and can be processed and sent back. Just an idea.

9 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

You lose the argument when you lot class anyone on the right as right wing extremists

Is Rubert Murdoch a Liberal or Conservative?

So, people who brainwash people with lies aren't extremists?

Logic never bothers your lot does it. 🤭

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

What if Africa forms an African Union and decides to invade Europe?

Africa is a sleeping giant. We should pray that Africa never unifies and never gets the weapons and resources to attack Europe. If that were the case Europe would suffer greatly. Personally I think Africans can't organize themselves, let alone an invasion of Europe, but it could happen. Who knows.

In that case Europe of course can defend herself. However, a terrible disease or pathogen from Africa invading Europe is probably more likely.

5 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

The UK and EU need to start getting creative with the law. Perhaps they need to officially declare war against certain countries

No, terrible idea.

They do need some immigration, due to low birth rates in the west.

Just has to be controlled.

11 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Africa is a sleeping giant. We should pray that Africa never unifies and never gets the weapons and resources to attack Europe. If that were the case Europe would suffer greatly. Personally I think Africans can't organize themselves, let alone an invasion of Europe, but it could happen. Who knows.

Parts of Africa are definitely on the move economically. They're not all basket cases.

Burkina Faso is a small example - moving ahead economically & socially under a well-run authoritarian government with a young highly intelligent army man running the show. No nonsense from him. (Just ask the French!). Then there's others like Rwanda & Kenya moving ahead steadily. And even Sth Africa is far from stagnant. People running down Africa and its future are out of touch, and often nastily racist.

43 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

No, terrible idea.

They do need some immigration, due to low birth rates in the west.

Just has to be controlled.

Just a reminder, the idea is basically a "paper war." No bullets fired, no bombs dropped, no boots on the ground. All it does is allow the EU and UK navy ships to LEGALLY halt, board, and take control of the boats in international waters, and I mean all of them. Thus, the boats never actually make it to EU and UK waters, and then under EU and UK jurisdiction, with their generous welfare systems. The boats will eventually stop.

Sure, allow some migration, but be selective. Chose skilled migrants with no criminal history, between certain ages. That's far removed from what's been happening to date.

3 hours ago, Palatus said:

Cannot people be neutral and objective in your mind? I know its hard to think about with your armchair sleuth status, but give it a try, rack your brains if you can. If someone thinks right wing extremists are nut jobs like Mogg and GBNews they are automatically lefties when perhaps they might simply be neutral?

Its obviouse you have a thing against GB News or anyone associated with GB News Palatus. Rees Mogg has his own show on it so in your eyes Palatus he is a failed politician or a leftie. I have watched your posts since you started a week ago and all you do is slag off GB News.

3 hours ago, FinChin67 said:

EUSSR is cooked already but they bring in more. Do not forget the plan to bring 2 million indians in.

The @thenowherephoto exposing the lefts lies that the Moroccans have all gone back across the border.

This photographer should check the facts.

Half of the population of Ceuta is Moroccan, so it is hardly surprising that this photographer captured that fact on film or that the police tolerate it.

Two solutions.

1) Make the legal requirements for immigration in the UK as easy as it was for your ancestors (very easy).

Then they're all LEGAL immigrants. 😀

2) Make the legal requirements for immigration in America as easy as it was for our ancestors (very easy).

Then the smartest half of London would all want to leave for America, because better economic opportunities there.

Trouble is, you guys wouldn't be able to find a decent curry after you tumble out of the pub at closing time if that happened.

Unfortunately the smartest half of India would move to America and rents would go up. 😮

I think we can all agree that the sensible choice is the middle way, balance, harmony, etc.

Not too much and not too little. ♾️

4 hours ago, save the frogs said:

What if Africa forms an African Union and decides to invade Europe?

Easy. Nuke them all. Then split the resources with China.

7 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Yes, and 50,000 people illegally storming a border doesn't bother you at all.

Can I sleep with your wife? According to you guys logic, anybody can do whatever they want.

So you won't mind if I borrow your wife for a couple of nights then?

you don't want to do that she is very ugly

Europe would greatly benefit from increased diversity and a broader cultural palette. By welcoming more people of color, we can enrich the continent’s communities and foster a more vibrant and inclusive society.❤️

5 hours ago, MIke B Bad said:

Surely, this was orchestrated by Trump and Netanyahu.......the two world leaders both with a joint grudge against Spain.

"I read" it was via social media that the Moroccans were basically conned into this with promises of guaranteed Spanish citizenship if they stormed "Spain". albeit on the wrong continent.

There are plenty of conspiracy theories about the migrant surge into Ceuta.

One is that Morocco relaxed the border with quiet support from Israel and the US, to pressure Spain over Gaza and other foreign policy positions. Morocco has used migration as political pressure before, but there is no evidence that Israel and the US coordinated it. Interesting theory, but still only a theory.

The more interesting part is what the EU will actually do about it, and how quickly they will respond.

5 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

Rees Mogg is very popular, has good viewing figures for his YouTube channel, usually talks common sense

LOL. Only if you hold the same opinions as him, and many like you maybe do, but a lot of other people in equal or greater numbers do not.