Are Democrats truly the party of the working class? Were Clinton and Obama allies of the working class? If you read political forums, you'll see that the left often blames Reagan for the country's problems. I wonder if they ever consider how Clinton and Obama negatively impacted the working class.

Do you want to know who got Trump elected? Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. Bill Clinton signed NAFTA into law, and Ross Perot was right about the "sucking sound" of jobs leaving the country. Then, Clinton granted China most-favored-nation status, which led to the loss of 3 million factory jobs in the USA. Following that, Obama came along and negatively impacted the coal industry.

Here is a 2024 study showing how NAFTA flipped many historically Democratic areas to Republican.

https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257%2Faer.20220425

In September of 1993, the Clinton administration released a letter signed by

283 economists, including 12 Nobel laureates, urging Congress to ratify the North

American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA). “The letter is part of a concerted White

House campaign to rebut the criticisms of the trade agreement made by Texas bil-

lionaire Ross Perot, who has begun spending large amounts of his considerable

fortune to promote his view that NAFTA will destroy American jobs,” reported the

Los Angeles Times.

https://www.epi.org/blog/china-trade-deal-will-not-restore-3-7-million-u-s-jobs-lost-since-china-entered-the-wto-in-2001/

China’s entry into the World Trade Organization (WTO) in 2001 is widely cited in economic analyses as a primary driver of significant U.S. job displacement, particularly in the manufacturing sector. According to data from the Economic Policy Institute (EPI), the growing U.S.-China goods trade deficit between 2001 and 2018 resulted in the loss or displacement of approximately 3.7 million American jobs

Additionally, include the 2009 housing bubble crash, which devastated working-class communities. The roots of the housing bubble began under Bill Clinton.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/05/28/is_clinton_the_real_housing_crash_villain_130707.html

Let's ask the question again. Are Democrats truly the party of the working class?

Let's ask the question again. Are Democrats truly the party of the working class?

Not as much as they should be.

But compared to republicans, yes.

Republicans are the Trump party now of course.

The most corrupt and anti-democracy regime in American history.

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Let's ask the question again. Are Democrats truly the party of the working class?

Not as much as they should be.

But compared to republicans, yes.

Republicans are the Trump party now of course.

The most corrupt and anti-democracy regime in American history.

The Democratic Party has caused more harm to the working class than the Republican Party. Additionally, the significant inflation under Joe Biden has severely affected the working class.

The Democrats support mass immigration, which affects the lower end of society.

https://www.nber.org/papers/w12518?utm_source=chatgpt.com

The employment rate of black men, and particularly of low-skill black men, fell precipitously from 1960 to 2000. At the same time, the incarceration rate of black men rose markedly. This paper examines the relation between immigration and these trends in black employment and incarceration. Using data drawn from the 1960-2000 U.S. Censuses, we find a strong correlation between immigration, black wages, black employment rates, and black incarceration rates. As immigrants disproportionately increased the supply of workers in a particular skill group, the wage of black workers in that group fell, the employment rate declined, and the incarceration rate rose. Our analysis suggests that a 10-percent immigrant-induced increase in the supply of a particular skill group reduced the black wage by 4.0 percent, lowered the employment rate of black men by 3.5 percentage points, and increased the incarceration rate of blacks by almost a full percentage point.

4 minutes ago, Effective altruism said:

The Democratic Party has caused more harm to the working class than the Republican Party. Additionally, the significant inflation under Joe Biden has severely affected the working class.

The Democrats support mass immigration, which affects the lower end of society.

https://www.nber.org/papers/w12518?utm_source=chatgpt.com

The employment rate of black men, and particularly of low-skill black men, fell precipitously from 1960 to 2000. At the same time, the incarceration rate of black men rose markedly. This paper examines the relation between immigration and these trends in black employment and incarceration. Using data drawn from the 1960-2000 U.S. Censuses, we find a strong correlation between immigration, black wages, black employment rates, and black incarceration rates. As immigrants disproportionately increased the supply of workers in a particular skill group, the wage of black workers in that group fell, the employment rate declined, and the incarceration rate rose. Our analysis suggests that a 10-percent immigrant-induced increase in the supply of a particular skill group reduced the black wage by 4.0 percent, lowered the employment rate of black men by 3.5 percentage points, and increased the incarceration rate of blacks by almost a full percentage point.

I'm not here to shill for establishment democrats.

But sorry the fascist regime we have now in power isn't good for any Americans except for billionaires.

That Trumps all the complaints about democrats.

Just now, Jingthing said:

I'm not here to shill for establishment democrats.

But sorry the fascist regime we have now in power isn't good for any Americans except for billionaires.

That Trumps all the complaints about democrats.

Why do you call the current administration fascist?

Just now, Effective altruism said:

Why do you call the current administration fascist?

If you're even asking that question, you're living on a different planet than I am.

How could you not see it is fascist and also the most corrupt regime in US history?

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

If you're even asking that question, you're living on a different planet than I am.

How could you not see it is fascist and also the most corrupt regime in US history?

I take this as you are creating your own reality, or simply repeating what you have been told to say.

1 minute ago, Effective altruism said:

I take this as you are creating your own reality, or simply repeating what you have been told to say.

You would say that, I don't have time for people who don't see what Trump is. It would be like a Russian who doesn't see what Putin is.

10 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

If you're even asking that question, you're living on a different planet than I am.

I do not think, going by your recent postings, that anyone knows what planet you are on!

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You would say that, I don't have time for people who don't see what Trump is. It would be like a Russian who doesn't see what Putin is.

The time you spend explaining why you can't provide any examples will be longer than it would take to write a simple sentence with a few examples.

What is happening here is that you want to shift my critical view of the Democrats and redirect it toward a discussion about Trump.

How do Trumps get elected ?

Just look at the mess in Spain with the 50'000 illegals who forced entry. This is one exemple amongst many others. Consequently, the moderate voters get fed up and end up in voting for extremes. Simple and no rocket science.

1 minute ago, Sigmund said:

How do Trumps get elected ?

Just look at the mess in Spain with the 50'000 illegals who forced entry. This is one exemple amongst many others. Consequently, the moderate voters get fed up and end up in voting for extremes. Simple and no rocket science.

I agree with you. I think mass immigration impacted the last election. Also, the rise of right-wing parties in Europe is driven by mass immigration.

1 minute ago, Effective altruism said:

I agree with you. I think mass immigration impacted the last election. Also, the rise of right-wing parties in Europe is driven by mass immigration.

Very true Sir. And not to forget the main denominator that is inflation. You make absurd and unfair political choices, you attack the welfare issues of your own, allow inflation to set in with wrong political choices and that a one way no return ticket to have the extreme left or extreme right get to power. This has happened in many nordic european countries where more was spent on asylum seekers and much was cut from the state pensions etc of the locals..and so on. Well they looked for it after as far left or far right at the end of the day leads only to social unrest and trouble. But if when there is no choice...no hope left...

$300 million spent by Musk in blackening Harris's name might have had something to do with it. Plus Trump's empty promises of no more wars, and no cuts to Social Security and Health.

It's hard to believe Americans were suckered twice.

13 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

$300 million spent by Musk in blackening Harris's name might have had something to do with it. Plus Trump's empty promises of no more wars, and no cuts to Social Security and Health.

It's hard to believe Americans were suckered twice.

There are currently no cuts to Social Security; however, long-term modifications are necessary.