4 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

You didn't look at the graph, did you?

You also need to read up on maritime law, as do Reform, by the sound of it.

They are illegal invaders of our boarders maritime law does not apply' defense of the nation is the Prime Ministers first duty on grounds of national security.

Rules like you and most all of us follow to reside here must surely apply if the Thai's' can do it so should we 🤔

4 minutes ago, sammieuk1 said:

They are illegal invaders of our boarders maritime law does not apply' defense of the nation is the Prime Ministers first duty on grounds of national security.

Rules like you and most all of us follow to reside here must surely apply if the Thai's' can do it so should we 🤔

Incorrect. Maritime law does apply.

Edited August 3Aug 3 by youreavinalaff

5 minutes ago, sammieuk1 said:

They are illegal invaders of our boarders maritime law does not apply' defense of the nation is the Prime Ministers first duty on grounds of national security.

Rules like you and most all of us follow to reside here must surely apply if the Thai's' can do it so should we 🤔

What do the Thais do?

Edited August 3Aug 3 by youreavinalaff

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

If I didn't know you better Ray, I'd think it was finally dawning on you that this is actually a massive problem.

How to stop it? Simple. Remove the incentive.

Detain them on arrival and put them in detention centres. Similar to the IDC in Bangkok, but less luxurious. Tents in a field surrounded by barbed wire/chain link fences would do. A few months in there and they'll be begging to leave.

New arrivals would stop overnight. News would get out, nobody is going to pay hundreds/thousands of pounds and risk a channel crossing for 6 months in a cold field on Dartmoor.

As long as they know a free hotel, iPhone, 3 buffets a day and eventually social housing and a life on benefits awaits, they will continue to come.

All it takes is the will. Trump proved that.

That illegal immigration might be a problem become clear to me circa 2015, when Merkel made the well-intended but ill-fated decision to open Germany's borders. Europe has been grappling with the problem ever since.

Illegal migrants receive the following benefits in the UK while their requests for right to remain are heard:

• somewhere to live

• £49.18 per person on a payment card for food, clothing and toiletries (or £9.95 per person if your accommodation provides your meals)

• access to NHS services

• access to education for any children under 16

Not bad but hardly enough to live the life of Riley and/or certainly no better than what they would receive if they remained in mainland Europe, so the UK's treatment of illegal migrants can hardly be called 'an incentive' relative to the European alternative.

Your suggestion to effectively treat illegal immigrants as inmates of a concentration camp based on Dartmoor might well result in a decrease in the numbers arriving, but it might well also result in individuals freezing to death on a cold December day.

I wouldn't want that on my conscience, Jonny, but then I'm just a bleeding-heart liberal not a hard-nosed, selfish individual with no empathy or compassion for his fellow men.

17 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

What do the Thais do?

Lose the will to live with the quality of temporary residents by the look of it🤔

2 hours ago, simon43 said:

The UK is not the world's Salvation Army, (although it seems to be trying for that award...). We are a sovereign country, not a charity. We should leave the ECHR and use the Navy to physically push back these boats, just as Thailand does with the Rohingya. The latter now completely bypass Thailand in their boats and head for Muslim Malaysia.

Tought action may seem c ruek, but it's better for the UK in the longer-term. Boat people will soon get the message that they are not welcome - the UK is full!

The ECHR has nothing to do with the conventions that cover the laws of the sea!

Iv'e just listened to a press Conference from Reform he laid out plainly how Reform will halt them. He said the Royal Navy is responsble for the safety of the UK against an invading force, 200,000 have invaded the UK in 8 years, and before you come back with there seeking asylum. They are entering the country illegally full stop. We have the right to prevent this happening. He goes on to say five years ago he was out in the channel filming the boats arriving and said if this is not stopped there will be mass migration into the uk from illegal migrants, he was laughed at but it has been proven he was correct with a figure of over 200,000 arriving in small boats inside 8 years. H e also stated there are murder's Rapist's and people intend to do seriouse harm on the British people again he was laughed at but a Sudanese migrant followed a receptionist from the same hotel he was staying at stabbed her to death with over stab wounds inflicted by a screw driver, Rapist's saved from deportation through HCHR Courts. He also told us a while ago Iran is slipping agents into the UK via small boats again he was accused of scaremongering untill Starmer admited over 200 attacks had been prevented in a year so Farage was correct again. if you get the chance watch his press conference.

40 minutes ago, sammieuk1 said:

Lose the will to live with the quality of temporary residents by the look of it🤔

If that's how they make you feel, it's up to you to show them they are wrong.

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

If I didn't know you better Ray, I'd think it was finally dawning on you that this is actually a massive problem.

How to stop it? Simple. Remove the incentive.

Detain them on arrival and put them in detention centres. Similar to the IDC in Bangkok, but less luxurious. Tents in a field surrounded by barbed wire/chain link fences would do. A few months in there and they'll be begging to leave.

New arrivals would stop overnight. News would get out, nobody is going to pay hundreds/thousands of pounds and risk a channel crossing for 6 months in a cold field on Dartmoor.

As long as they know a free hotel, iPhone, 3 buffets a day and eventually social housing and a life on benefits awaits, they will continue to come.

All it takes is the will. Trump proved that.

Your comment was making interesting reading until you fell into the trap of believing everything you read on social media with regards to what asylum seekers get.

Your idea is a bit more severe than mine. I say put them to work. Let them pay for what they get. Make a 40 hour week job part of the requirements for asylum applications.

There are many councils crying out for help. Street cleaning, graffiti removal, pot hole repairs, etc.

Kill two birds with one stone.

Put a tag on them to keep trace too incase they try to do a runner or cause problems. When work is finished, back to accommodation until work the next day.

Edited August 3Aug 3 by youreavinalaff

35 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Iv'e just listened to a press Conference from Reform he laid out plainly how Reform will halt them. He said the Royal Navy is responsble for the safety of the UK against an invading force, 200,000 have invaded the UK in 8 years, and before you come back with there seeking asylum. They are entering the country illegally full stop. We have the right to prevent this happening. He goes on to say five years ago he was out in the channel filming the boats arriving and said if this is not stopped there will be mass migration into the uk from illegal migrants, he was laughed at but it has been proven he was correct with a figure of over 200,000 arriving in small boats inside 8 years. H e also stated there are murder's Rapist's and people intend to do seriouse harm on the British people again he was laughed at but a Sudanese migrant followed a receptionist from the same hotel he was staying at stabbed her to death with over stab wounds inflicted by a screw driver, Rapist's saved from deportation through HCHR Courts. He also told us a while ago Iran is slipping agents into the UK via small boats again he was accused of scaremongering untill Starmer admited over 200 attacks had been prevented in a year so Farage was correct again. if you get the chance watch his press conference.

Reform can say what they like, they are not in government.

What you've just heard is not doable. The navy cannot intercept the boats in the channel. They cannot turn them back, sink them or hold them.

You have been told this before but seem to ignore it.

Edited August 3Aug 3 by youreavinalaff

38 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

There are many councils crying out for help. Street cleaning, graffiti removal, pot hole repairs, etc.

It would be much more economical to get all the of fake disability benefit claimants back to work and do those jobs!

14 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

It would be much more economical to get all the of fake disability benefit claimants back to work and do those jobs!

Not according to many on here.

6 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

Either way, there needs to be a deterrent. My suggestion would be to put all asylum claimants to work as part of their application. Salaries pay for their bed and board, the rest they keep. Also, regulate their movements when they are not at work.

I agree with some of what you've said on here. But offering them paid work is not a deterrant in my opinion. In fact that could have the oposite effect.

And I'd go further than regulating their movement. I don't think any illegal migrant should be free to roam UK streets until fully processed and accepted. Whether they are detained in the UK or abroad doesn't matter - they must be detained to protect our citizens from the most dangerous migrants.

If someone had told me 30 years ago that in 2026 we'll have thousands of young men from Somalia, Eritrea, Afghanistan, Iran etc.,, undocumented and unchecked allowed to mix with the general public in the UK, I'd have told them they were nuts.

In his Press Conference today Nigel Farage held up a detailed plan on how to defeat the Boats. Most of the information regarding the Military Aid that will be rolled out was written by ex Senior Military chiefs who know how intercept and drive back the Boat's which in there opinion is doable. He drew on how Austaralia stopped there boats within 2 weeks by using the military to tow the migrants to Indonesia and leave them there, the boats stopped after 2 weeks. Harsh but they did it. We have thrown over a Billion to france to stop them leaving French ports. It doesn't matter how much money our government throws to them the Boats will keep coming because we are weak and a soft touch. The gangs are always ahead they have simply started moving the invaders from as far as Normandy away from usual beaches patroled by the French police. The Royal marines are trained to intercept and detain all shipping even if it means wrenching them from a rubber boat they will do.

Edited August 3Aug 3 by BarraMarra

23 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

In his Press Conference today Nigel Farage held up a detailed plan on how to defeat the Boats. Most of the information regarding the Military Aid that will be rolled out was written by ex Senior Military chiefs who know how intercept and drive back the Boat's which in there opinion is doable. He drew on how Austaralia stopped there boats within 2 weeks by using the military to tow the migrants to Indonesia and leave them there, the boats stopped after 2 weeks. Harsh but they did it. We have thrown over a Billion to france to stop them leaving French ports. It doesn't matter how much money our government throws to them the Boats will keep coming because we are weak and a soft touch. The gangs are always ahead they have simply started moving the invaders from as far as Normandy away from usual beaches patroled by the French police. The Royal marines are trained to intercept and detain all shipping even if it means wrenching them from a rubber boat they will do.

Reform says it would use Royal Navy to stop small boats

The party's home affairs spokesman Zia Yusuf says it would be the "largest military operation in the English Channel since World War Two”.

This "plan" is unworkable without French cooperation and, even in the unlikely event that was forthcoming, it is very debatable that it is operationally achievable. Would Reform instruct the Royal Navy to blockage one of the world's busiest waterways? Moreover, by your own admission, the traffickers are often one step ahead.

It is almost inevitable that France would want nothing to do with this hare-brained idea. What happens then? According to Yusuf, the Royal Marines will invade France! And these people think that they are fit to run the country!!!

9 minutes ago, RayC said:

Reform says it would use Royal Navy to stop small boats

The party's home affairs spokesman Zia Yusuf says it would be the "largest military operation in the English Channel since World War Two”.

This "plan" is unworkable without French cooperation and, even in the unlikely event that was forthcoming, it is very debatable that it is operationally achievable. Would Reform instruct the Royal Navy to blockage one of the world's busiest waterways? Moreover, by your own admission, the traffickers are often one step ahead.

It is almost inevitable that France would want nothing to do with this hare-brained idea. What happens then? According to Yusuf, the Royal Marines will invade France! And these people think that they are fit to run the country!!!

Ha ha ha, Farage is a genius!! As usual no thought behind it, just shout really loudly and the Barra Marras will vote for him.

Even the Tories (they of the Rwanda plan) think it is ludicrous.

Chris Philp: "Reform's policy I am afraid as usual is on the back of a fag packet. By the way I am not averse to taking actions at sea if it's credible but Reform policy isn't credible."

4 hours ago, RayC said:

Your suggestion to effectively treat illegal immigrants as inmates of a concentration camp based on Dartmoor might well result in a decrease in the numbers arriving, but it might well also result in individuals freezing to death on a cold December day.

Don't be a criminal and break into a country illegally then.

Rather they fteeze than the law abiding British pensioners who had their fuel allowance removed to pay for this debacle.

Play stupid games win stupid prizes. F around find out. If youre gonna be stupid you better be tough. Choose your favourite expression.

Supporting this unfolding disaster doesnt make you a good person Ray. It makes you a complicit fool.

Just now, JonnyF said:

Don't be a criminal and break into a country illegally then.

Rather they fteeze than the law abiding British pensioners who had their fuel allowance removed to pay for this debacle.

Play stupid games win stupid prizes. F around find out. If youre gonna be stupid you better be tough. Choose your favourite expression.

Supporting this unfolding disaster doesnt make you a good person Ray. It makes you a complicit fool.

Imo better to thought of as a fool rather than someone completely devoid of any semblance of morality but, hey, that's just my opinion. No doubt hate-filled individuals such as yourself disagree.

If you can't see the problem with being complicit with the use of concentration camps and its' likely consequences then I genuinely pity you.

Edited August 3Aug 3 by RayC

1 hour ago, RayC said:

Reform says it would use Royal Navy to stop small boats

The party's home affairs spokesman Zia Yusuf says it would be the "largest military operation in the English Channel since World War Two”.

This "plan" is unworkable without French cooperation and, even in the unlikely event that was forthcoming, it is very debatable that it is operationally achievable. Would Reform instruct the Royal Navy to blockage one of the world's busiest waterways? Moreover, by your own admission, the traffickers are often one step ahead.

It is almost inevitable that France would want nothing to do with this hare-brained idea. What happens then? According to Yusuf, the Royal Marines will invade France! And these people think that they are fit to run the country!!!

No one said we will invade France, we will return migrants to French beaches or Belgium beaches where they sailed from. Its time we stopped allowing this to happen. There have been meetings in France about the proposals from Farage its up to the French to move them on and let that country deal with them. Not one of the members posting here have thought about the ones who are coming ashore. Murder's on the Run convicted Rapists , thieves, and Terroist's. Make no mistake Iran has sent cells sent to the UK. 200+ attacks by them have been foiled in a year by our secret agencys the warnings are there, it only takes one attack to be succesfull. Do any members here post on this NO all they want to do is slate Reform or Farage.

7 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

Of course he knows its legal to board shipping in the English Channel we have been boarding Russian Tankers in our waters, he just trying to disrupt the thread with negative comments such as the trash about Genuine Asylum seekers. He knows full well the boats are full of illegals they are lifted without documents, so how can they be genuine. Last week he told me i was making false claims about the arrivals under Burnham where i informed him nearly a thousand had arrived under his watch, he of course denied it now 2 weeks into his leadership there has been over 2,000.

🤣🤣🤣

Your comment was 13000 since Burnham took over.

I provided 2 links to prove the figure was under 1000, including one ftom your favourite GBN.

Edited August 3Aug 3 by youreavinalaff

29 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

No one said we will invade France, we will return migrants to French beaches or Belgium beaches where they sailed from. Its time we stopped allowing this to happen. There have been meetings in France about the proposals from Farage its up to the French to move them on and let that country deal with them. Not one of the members posting here have thought about the ones who are coming ashore. Murder's on the Run convicted Rapists , thieves, and Terroist's. Make no mistake Iran has sent cells sent to the UK. 200+ attacks by them have been foiled in a year by our secret agencys the warnings are there, it only takes one attack to be succesfull. Do any members here post on this NO all they want to do is slate Reform or Farage.

Woooooah, almost one attack per day foiled!! Iranians risking their lives to come over by boat and attack us once a day. I mean they could just fly, but makes more sense for operatives to come in by boat.

Of course you have a link for these 200 foiled attacks? You are quite forgetful on the link front so no doubt it was accidental. Can you share the link please?

Oh, and a link to Farage meeting the French government about his fanciful boat plan while you're at it.

Thanks!

Looing back on the Broken Britain thread i did sat 13 thousand arrived under Burnahm i can hold my hands up and say i got it wrong it should have been nearly a Thousand in 1 week. On the Maritime law you keep reminding me i remember the Icelandic Cod Wars when Icelandic gun boats harrased and potentially could have sunk British trawlers in international waters in the 70s. Where was the law then ?

5 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Woooooah, almost one attack per day foiled!! Iranians risking their lives to come over by boat and attack us once a day. I mean they could just fly, but makes more sense for operatives to come in by boat.

Of course you have a link for these 200 foiled attacks? You are quite forgetful on the link front so no doubt it was accidental. Can you share the link please?

Oh, and a link to Farage meeting the French government about his fanciful boat plan while you're at it.

Thanks!

Reported for Flaming.

17 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The number of crossings are down on the year.

They were zero when the Tories first came to power.

The historical records do not support your biased statement. There have always been migrants arriving across the English Channel. The historical numbers were insignificant. 2018 is the year when the numbers started to increase and it coincides with the tougher measures applied at ports of entry. In effect, a large number of migrants changed their mode of unauthorized entry. Unlike being stopped at Calais and at other ports, where transport vehicles could be stopped and unloaded entry by small boat allows easier access to the UK and it is facilitated by UK based activist migrant groups who encourage, aid and abet the unauthorized entries. The number of crossings at the start of 2020 was below 2000.

The migrant crossings surged in 2022 after the Truss and Sunak administrations were blocked from deporting these migrants. Legislation was blocked in Parliament and by the courts and activist groups rallied in support of open borders. The crisis continued with the Starmer administration.

4 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Reported for Flaming.

Links for claims are forum policy. Sorry for asking. But you claim 200 Iranian attacks foiled in a year and that Farage has met with the French government to discuss his boat plan. Neither of these things appear in Google searches, so asking for you to provide evidence to support your claim is completely acceptable.

Forum rule #5: In factual areas such as news forums and current affairs topics member content that is claimed or portrayed as a fact should be supported by a link to a relevant reputable source.

10 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Looing back on the Broken Britain thread i did sat 13 thousand arrived under Burnahm i can hold my hands up and say i got it wrong it should have been nearly a Thousand in 1 week. On the Maritime law you keep reminding me i remember the Icelandic Cod Wars when Icelandic gun boats harrased and potentially could have sunk British trawlers in international waters in the 70s. Where was the law then ?

You really should read up on maritime law. There are many definitions of different vessels. It's generally to do with maritime safety.

Edited August 3Aug 3 by youreavinalaff

18 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

No one said we will invade France, we will return migrants to French beaches or Belgium beaches where they sailed from. Its time we stopped allowing this to happen. There have been meetings in France about the proposals from Farage its up to the French to move them on and let that country deal with them.

An invasion is exactly what it would be if the French didn't agree to Reform's proposal, something which appears unlikely.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr59qyy4l5yo

18 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Not one of the members posting here have thought about the ones who are coming ashore. Murder's on the Run convicted Rapists , thieves, and Terroist's.

No doubt some illegal immigrants are criminals, just as no doubt some are refugees. Many (most?) are simply economic migrants.

18 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Make no mistake Iran has sent cells sent to the UK. 200+ attacks by them have been foiled in a year by our secret agencys the warnings are there, it only takes one attack to be succesfull. Do any members here post on this NO all they want to do is slate Reform or Farage.

I would have thought that foreign agents operating in the UK are more likely to have arrived as diplomats and/or be already in the country and be sponsored by foreign governments, rather than arrive via dinghy.

The reason that I slate Reform's policy proposals are because they are ill-conceived, ill thought-out and very unlikely to succeed.

2 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Iranians risking their lives to come over by boat and attack us once a day. I mean they could just fly, but makes more sense for operatives to come in by boat.

If Iranian operatives fly over they need to get through security, customs etc. By boat they can arrive undocumented and unchecked. But I'm sure you're intelligent enough to realise this...

21 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

If Iranian operatives fly over they need to get through security, customs etc. By boat they can arrive undocumented and unchecked. But I'm sure you're intelligent enough to realise this...

High level operatives would normally come in under diplomatic channels, no one is putting them on dinghies where they have no equipment, could drown, be arrested etc.

Anyway however they do it they have had 200 ATTACKS FOILED in just the last year alone! So they can't be very good. Can't wait for the link to these 200 foilings, I am sure it's coming soon.

3 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

No one said we will invade France, we will return migrants to French beaches or Belgium beaches where they sailed from. Its time we stopped allowing this to happen. There have been meetings in France about the proposals from Farage its up to the French to move them on and let that country deal with them. Not one of the members posting here have thought about the ones who are coming ashore. Murder's on the Run convicted Rapists , thieves, and Terroist's. Make no mistake Iran has sent cells sent to the UK. 200+ attacks by them have been foiled in a year by our secret agencys the warnings are there, it only takes one attack to be succesfull. Do any members here post on this NO all they want to do is slate Reform or Farage.

About these meetings between Farage and France, did anyone tell France?

The French interior ministry said: "This would constitute a violation of French sovereignty, as well as a violation of the law of the sea and international law."

A spokesperson for the department added that measures agreed with the UK, as well as "operations deployed at the local level", had already led to a reduction in crossings so far this year compared to the same period in 2025.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr59qyy4l5yo

Looking forward to a link where I can read about this meeting you said took place.