The thing here is that even when there is not a shortage, more and more brits just cannot afford the prices of fresh produce. But of course, the government does not care and is too busy signing off checks for Ukraine or welfare checks for the illegals entering.

40 minutes ago, SingAPorn said:

The thing here is that even when there is not a shortage, more and more brits just cannot afford the prices of fresh produce. But of course, the government does not care and is too busy signing off checks for Ukraine or welfare checks for the illegals entering.

I expected Trumplanders to moan and whinge about starving people getting food "handouts" and getting too soft on the dole...

But blaming food shortages from man-made CO2 global warming and affordability issues from Unregulated Capitalism on Immigrants on the dole was a masterfully ignorant move.

Bravo! 😄

Edited August 3Aug 3 by SiSePuede419
affordability issues from Unregulated Capitalism

24 minutes ago, SiSePuede419 said:

I expected Trumplanders to moan and whinge about starving people getting food "handouts" and getting too soft on the dole...

But blaming food shortages from man-made CO2 global warming and affordability issues from Unregulated Capitalism on Immigrants on the dole was a masterfully ignorant move.

Where do you obtain your food handouts from?

11 hours ago, VocalNeal said:

As for UK. They are probably suffering more from lack of EU subsidises than they are from weather.

The UK was a net contributor to the EU.

What it received in subsidies was a fraction of what it paid in.

Not any more though. Thank goodness we left the corrupt failing federalist anti-democratic mess that is the EU.

12 hours ago, bannork said:

If every country producing around 1% or less of global emissions stopped acting, it would add up to over 32% of global pollution, a significant amount.

United we stand, divided we fall, collective action is needed.

Outside China, the US and India, no country accounts for more than 5% of annual fuel emissions.

Do you understand how ridiculous that is? In order to reduce global emissions by 32%, those countries would have to reduce their emissions to zero. Which means giving up every hint of modern life, including cars, and heat in the winter and lights at night.

That would be catastrophic.

If we're real ambitious (and stupid), they may be able to reduce their emissions by 10%, meaning a 3.2% drop in global emissions. Even if climate change is caused by global emissions (and not part of a natural cycle), that's like a popcorn fart into the wind on a stretch of beach.

1 hour ago, impulse said:

Do you understand how ridiculous that is? In order to reduce global emissions by 32%, those countries would have to reduce their emissions to zero. Which means giving up every hint of modern life, including cars, and heat in the winter and lights at night.

That would be catastrophic.

If we're real ambitious (and stupid), they may be able to reduce their emissions by 10%, meaning a 3.2% drop in global emissions. Even if climate change is caused by global emissions (and not part of a natural cycle), that's like a popcorn fart into the wind on a stretch of beach.

Not forgetting that many western countries reducing their carbon footprint, have just moved the manufacturing to China or India.

21 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Good.

That means the Doomsday cult can shut up for once.

Yes, please do.

The majority of UK agricultural arable production goes to animal feed, much of which is not suitable for human consumption.

18 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Not forgetting that many western countries reducing their carbon footprint, have just moved the manufacturing to China or India.

Countries didn’t do that.

Corporations moved their production, not countries.

1 hour ago, impulse said:

Do you understand how ridiculous that is? In order to reduce global emissions by 32%, those countries would have to reduce their emissions to zero. Which means giving up every hint of modern life, including cars, and heat in the winter and lights at night.

That would be catastrophic.

If we're real ambitious (and stupid), they may be able to reduce their emissions by 10%, meaning a 3.2% drop in global emissions. Even if climate change is caused by global emissions (and not part of a natural cycle), that's like a popcorn fart into the wind on a stretch of beach.

Barnnork said ‘every country reduce by 1%’ not your hyperbole reduce to zero.

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

The UK was a net contributor to the EU.

What it received in subsidies was a fraction of what it paid in.

Not any more though. Thank goodness we left the corrupt failing federalist anti-democratic mess that is the EU.

BREXIT saved the UK £9Billion/year in contributions at a cost to the Uk economy of £100 Billion/year.

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Barnnork said ‘every country reduce by 1%’ not your hyperbole reduce to zero.

Read it again. Carefully this time. That's not what he said.

1 hour ago, impulse said:

Do you understand how ridiculous that is? In order to reduce global emissions by 32%, those countries would have to reduce their emissions to zero. Which means giving up every hint of modern life, including cars, and heat in the winter and lights at night.

That would be catastrophic.

If we're real ambitious (and stupid), they may be able to reduce their emissions by 10%, meaning a 3.2% drop in global emissions. Even if climate change is caused by global emissions (and not part of a natural cycle), that's like a popcorn fart into the wind on a stretch of beach.

They wouldn't give up cars, they're converting to EVs.

Heat is produced by heat pumps as opposed to gas boilers.

19 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Yes, please do.

I'm not a member of that particular cult, Higgot.

It's more up your back alley.

2 minutes ago, bannork said:

They wouldn't give up cars, they're converting to EVs.

Heat is produced by heat pumps as opposed to gas boilers.

Where are they going to get the electricity to charge the EVs and run the heat pumps?

Never mind mining the rare earths and other minerals and metals that go into EVs and heat pumps. Then disposing of them when they reach end of life.

Edited August 4Aug 4 by impulse

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

BREXIT saved the UK £9Billion/year in contributions at a cost to the Uk economy of £100 Billion/year.

Got a link for that?

57 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Got a link for that?

Unusual of you to want facts Jonny, but here you go:

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7886/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-31/brexit-is-costing-the-uk-100-billion-a-year-in-lost-output

18 hours ago, Red Forever said:

When I read the subject headline I wondered when Jonny Fartpants would lever his/her vile far right nationalist “I’m not racist but” drivel into the conversation.

It didn’t take long did it?

As more rational posters have pointed out; the potential food shortage problem is due to climate change which only the thickest of far right nutters are still in denial of.

Hey Bigot, long time no see.

The "food shortage" is climate alarmism along the lines of Project Fear. The dumb af doomsday cultists like you eat it up, pardon the pun.

Note how it's always the psycho lefty nutters pushing this narrative.😄

Now get back to pushing DEI, Racist.

8 hours ago, SiSePuede419 said:

There won't be any shortages.

Supply & Demand.

As Supply goes down, prices go up.

Demand will fall, as people will eat less food.

And maybe more dirt, cardboard, grass and other lower cost alternatives to food.

Capitalism.

Got everything figured out already® 😄

Also, energy consumption is in NO WAY correlated to economic growth.

Hopefully, we will become ten times more energy efficient within the coming 12 months.

Edited August 4Aug 4 by GammaGlobulin

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Barnnork said ‘every country reduce by 1%’ not your hyperbole reduce to zero.

Still making stuff up I see. What he said was: "If every country producing around 1% or less of global emissions stopped acting, it would add up to over 32% of global pollution, a significant amount.

United we stand, divided we fall, collective action is needed.

Outside China, the US and India, no country accounts for more than 5% of annual fuel emissions."

The top ten producers combined generate over 70% of CO2

If all ten reduced by 1%, it would reduce the total by less than 1%

Education major, yes?

4 hours ago, impulse said:

Where are they going to get the electricity to charge the EVs and run the heat pumps?

Never mind mining the rare earths and other minerals and metals that go into EVs and heat pumps. Then disposing of them when they reach end of life.

Heat pumps and EVs are significantly more energy-efficient than petrol cars and gas boilers. This efficiency means the total net energy required by the UK will actually decrease.

How to produce enough electricity?

Offshore and onshore wind farms in the North Sea

Solar power

Nuclear power

The main problem is managing peak demand hours, e.g. cold winter evenings.

This is where digital technology comes in to flatten those peaks:

• Time-of-Use Tariffs: Energy suppliers offer "smart tariffs" that give consumers cheap electricity overnight. This incentivises EV owners to charge their cars when overall grid demand is lowest.

• Smart Heat Standards: Modern heat pumps will automatically pre-heat homes or shift their highest consumption windows away from peak hours without compromising indoor comfort.

• Because wind and solar power fluctuate with the weather, storing energy is essential to maintain a steady supply:

• Battery Storage Farms: Grid-scale battery storage is projected to increase tenfold by 2050 to capture excess wind and solar energy during high-production hours.

• Vehicle-to-Grid (V2G) Technology: Millions of plugged-in EVs will act as a massive decentralized battery. Through V2G technology, cars can feed electricity back into the National Grid during peak strain and recharge later when demand drops.

• Domestic Batteries: Home battery installations (like Tesla Powerwalls) allow households with solar panels to store self-generated energy to power heat pumps and cars independently of the main grid.

how will the UK produce the electricity to provide for EV cars and heat pumps? - Google Search

Regarding the UK finding rare earths and minerals, as over 80% of the world's permanent magnets come from China , the UK forms trade partnerships with nations such as Canada, Australia and the US.

It also operates a Demand Aggregation Platform where manufacturers pool their mineral demands to secure long term, high volume supply contracts.

6 minutes ago, bannork said:

The main problem is managing peak demand hours

My understanding is that the main problem is UK's National Grid which cannot get power from the windy north to the populated south.

11 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

My understanding is that the main problem is UK's National Grid which cannot get power from the windy north to the populated south.

There are 4 techniques to overcome this problem:

1. Rather than build overhead pylons, they're moving energy along the coast via underwater HVDC cables, known as the Eastern Green Links (EGL), d/c is used as there is minimal energy loss over long distances compared to a/c.

   These cables bypass the congested onshore grid, taking gigawatts directly from the North Sea to landing stations in Lincs and Norfolk.

2. Rather than use traditional cables linking one wind farm to one onshore location, the UK is switching to Multi-Purpose Interconnectors (MPIs) which connect offshore wind farms directly to multiple countries simultaneously. And when the UK grid is full due to strong winds, the MPI can redirect excess power to mainland Europe to prevent overload.

3. Wind farms are now being built close to the south-east, e.g. the Five Estuaries site, 23 miles off the coast of Essex and Suffolk.

4. To ensure the onshore grid can handle the power, Ofgem has fast tracked the construction of new coastal convertor stations and substations which convert the d/c power back into a/c. Plus, they're developing High-Temperature Superconducting (HTS) cables , underground lines that can carry huge amounts of electricity quietly through densely populated areas in the south. No need for mega-pylons!

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Unusual of you to want facts Jonny, but here you go:

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7886/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-31/brexit-is-costing-the-uk-100-billion-a-year-in-lost-output

Oh look, a socialist that puts fake GDP figures ahead of nationalizing key industries, empowering the working class, and breaking free from capitalist EU regulations just to protect corporate trade markets. 😄

51 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Oh look, a socialist that puts fake GDP figures ahead of nationalizing key industries, empowering the working class, and breaking free from capitalist EU regulations just to protect corporate trade markets. 😄

Jonny once again demonstrates use of the non sequiteur.

7 hours ago, JonnyF said:

The UK was a net contributor to the EU.

What it received in subsidies was a fraction of what it paid in.

Not any more though. Thank goodness we left the corrupt failing federalist anti-democratic mess that is the EU.

... and what Brexit has cost the UK financially, diplomatically, procedurally, etc is a lot more than our estimated £7bn to £9bn annual net contribution.

It's pointless me posting links as you never open them, but should you want confirmation of the costs of Brexit to the UK, search for OBR, Bloomberg, Britain in a Changing Europe reports amongst many others.

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Jonny once again demonstrates use of the non sequiteur.

Just exposing your hypocrisy, yet again.

9 minutes ago, RayC said:

... and what Brexit has cost the UK financially, diplomatically, procedurally, etc is a lot more than our estimated £7bn to £9bn annual net contribution.

It's pointless me posting links as you never open them, but should you want confirmation of the costs of Brexit to the UK, search for OBR, Bloomberg, Britain in a Changing Europe reports amongst many others.

Oh look, another #bekind fake socialist that puts fake GDP figures ahead of nationalizing key industries, empowering the working class, and breaking free from capitalist EU regulations just to protect corporate trade markets.

A real life Citizen Smith. POWER TO THE PEOPLE EU!!!! 😀

While this year's record heat waves and El Nino are very problematic for UK farmers, I don't think it would cause food 'shortages'. Imports would just rise to fill the shortfall, but that would increase prices.

5 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Hey Bigot, long time no see.

The "food shortage" is climate alarmism along the lines of Project Fear. The dumb af doomsday cultists like you eat it up, pardon the pun.

Note how it's always the psycho lefty nutters pushing this narrative.😄

Now get back to pushing DEI, Racist.

Ouch! Your shouty words hurt me Susan.

You were probably off school the day they taught Comprehension. We were taught to read the whole article before commenting.

You just see bullet words e.g. boats, hotels, crises, shortages etc and then jump in with both feet with your vile nationalist comments.

Please don’t change cos you give us pesky, tree hugging, pinko lefties such a laugh.

Must rush cos I’m late for my “Introduction into the works of Marx and Engels class”.