Hax world for production not steadily increased over the last twenty years?

And has it not been outpacing population growth?

9 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

Less products, whatever it is, will create higher prices.

The crucial thing: if the farmers can't sell their corn eg, because of high price to cover their costs, the corn will come from other countries.

Even the dumbest climate changed denier will feel the climate change

Specific to the UK, which accounts for about 1% of global emissions, what do you figure they can do? Even if they went caveman and stone age, it wouldn't affect the climate. To think otherwise is suicidal empathy. All they would accomplish is to bankrupt their citizenry and freeze in the winter.

And that's assuming that the climate is changing due to human activity, and not a natural cycle that has seen the climate change from ice ages to warming periods, long before we had V8s and Astin Martins.

Edit: And, on an aside, Thailand is in the same boat. They could stop every modern activity, and it would have virtually zero effect on global emissions. But it would impoverish the country.

Edited August 3Aug 3 by impulse

6 minutes ago, impulse said:

Specific to the UK, which accounts for about 1% of global emissions, what do you figure they can do? Even if they went caveman and stone age, it wouldn't affect the climate. To think otherwise is suicidal empathy. All they would accomplish is to bankrupt their citizenry and freeze in the winter.

And that's assuming that the climate is changing due to human activity, and not a natural cycle that has seen the climate change from ice ages to warming periods, long before we had V8s and Astin Martins.

7 minutes ago, impulse said:

Specific to the UK, which accounts for about 1% of global emissions, what do you figure they can do? Even if they went caveman and stone age, it wouldn't affect the climate. To think otherwise is suicidal empathy. All they would accomplish is to bankrupt their citizenry and freeze in the winter.

And that's assuming that the climate is changing due to human activity, and not a natural cycle that has seen the climate change from ice ages to warming periods, long before we had V8s and Astin Martins.

Edit: And, on an aside, Thailand is in the same boat. They could stop every modern activity, and it would have virtually zero effect on global emissions. But it would impoverish the country.

That's not the point. The article was about the farmers situation in UK with more wind and less rain which quite evidently the outcome of climate change, and in this year El Nino.

Creating more water by building desalination plants (as in Singapore) can be a solution. This will end with even higher prices for your home grown veggies and fruits. Also you'll have the problem with all the salt.

( To stop the climate change or at least to slow down, every country has to do something to reduce pollution, CO2, burning fuels.)

To stop idiotic wars could be a first step.

We should not wait with CO2 reduction until New York is under water because of rising sea levels.

22 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

That's not the point. The article was about the farmers situation in UK with more wind and less rain which quite evidently the outcome of climate change, and in this year El Nino.

Creating more water by building desalination plants (as in Singapore) can be a solution. This will end with even higher prices for your home grown veggies and fruits. Also you'll have the problem with all the salt.

( To stop the climate change or at least to slow down, every country has to do something to reduce pollution, CO2, burning fuels.)

To stop idiotic wars could be a first step.

We should not wait with CO2 reduction until New York is under water because of rising sea levels.

Do you have air conditioning?

No problem. As long as Harrod's is well stocked with all the quality produce from all over. The rest matters not really to the politicians.

6 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

There weren't any shortages before the drought.

There aren't any shortages now.

Probably because UK imports the bulk of its food. Local stuff accounts for less than 50 to 20% depending on who one believes.

Drought in exporting countries may effect importation. The National Farmers Union is worried their members may not be able to afford a new Range Rover.

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Dair conditioning?

6 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Do you have air conditioning?

Not for sale actually

4 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

Probably because UK imports the bulk of its food. Local stuff accounts for less than 50 to 20% depending on who one believes.

Drought in exporting countries may effect importation. The National Farmers Union is worried their members may not be able to afford a new Range Rover.

Maybe but that's nothing to fo with the discussion.

2 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

Maybe but that's nothing to fo with the discussion.

What that any so call Chicken Little shortages are the result of weather in UK? When most of the food is imported.

Cereal shortages may effect the brewing industry which would cause more of a stir.

Edited August 3Aug 3 by VocalNeal

13 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

What that any so call Chicken Little shortages are the result of weather in UK? When most of the food is imported.

Cereal shortages may effect the brewing industry which would cause more of a stir.

You didn't read the article, did you?

1 minute ago, youreavinalaff said:

You didn't read the article, did you?

Yes it is about weather, water and such. Unless you read more into it than me.

6 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Supply and demand.

When supply stays the same and demand increases, what happens?

Labour increase the tax on fertiliser!

24 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

Yes it is about weather, water and such. Unless you read more into it than me.

The article mentions what is likely to be in short supply. Your comments regarding imports was inane.

Edited August 3Aug 3 by youreavinalaff

1 hour ago, impulse said:

Specific to the UK, which accounts for about 1% of global emissions, what do you figure they can do? Even if they went caveman and stone age, it wouldn't affect the climate. To think otherwise is suicidal empathy. All they would accomplish is to bankrupt their citizenry and freeze in the winter.

And that's assuming that the climate is changing due to human activity, and not a natural cycle that has seen the climate change from ice ages to warming periods, long before we had V8s and Astin Martins.

Edit: And, on an aside, Thailand is in the same boat. They could stop every modern activity, and it would have virtually zero effect on global emissions. But it would impoverish the country.

If every country producing around 1% or less of global emissions stopped acting, it would add up to over 32% of global pollution, a significant amount.

United we stand, divided we fall, collective action is needed.

Outside China, the US and India, no country accounts for more than 5% of annual fuel emissions.

7 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

The article mentions what is likely to be in short supply. Your comments regarding imports was inane.

The article as I said was mostly about weather and UK farmers hardships. There is no list of commodities facing shortages. It is scaremongering click bait at best. Wasn't really worth reading it all.

Importation of food in UK seems to be real. Some figures say 80%. So local UK weather only effects 20%. Maybe effects will be felt by people who only buy food in farmer's (sic) markets not the majority.

Inane? No. I simply wish to inject humour into a non event story. That you seem devoid of humour is telling?

Edited August 3Aug 3 by VocalNeal

20 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

The article as I said was mostly about weather and UK farmers hardships. There is no list of commodities facing shortages. It is scaremongering click bait at best. Wasn't really worth reading it all.

Importation of food in UK seems to be real. Some figures say 80%. So local UK weather only effects 20%. Maybe effects will be felt by people who only buy food in farmer's (sic) markets not the majority.

Inane? No. I simply wish to inject humour into a non event story. That you seem devoid of humour is telling?

There are crops mentioned.

As for humour, it's not a laughing matter that farmers and farming in UK is struggling. Only 40 to 46% of food in UK is imported.

Edited August 3Aug 3 by youreavinalaff

Just now, youreavinalaff said:

There are crops mentioned.

As for humour, it's not a laughing matter.

I was raised in a market town. My father told me he had never seen a poor farmer. Hence the Range Rover quip.

As for UK. They are probably suffering more from lack of EU subsidises than they are from weather.

Granted weather is changing quickly so the farmers will have to adapt or go under. Farming is a business and many businesses fail if they are slow to adapt.

1 minute ago, VocalNeal said:

I was raised in a market town. My father told me he had never seen a poor farmer. Hence the Range Rover quip.

As for UK. They are probably suffering more from lack of EU subsidises than they are from weather.

Granted weather is changing quickly so the farmers will have to adapt or go under. Farming is a business and many businesses fail if they are slow to adapt.

The irony being that the majority of farmers voted for Brexit.

15 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

The irony being that the majority of farmers voted for Brexit.

Leaving the E.U hasn't caused the drought .

14 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Leaving the E.U hasn't caused the drought .

Really Nick, I did not know that, thank you for sharing your wisdom, it was enlightening.

Seriously, read the comments I am replying to before butting in, it would really help.

They are probably suffering more from lack of EU subsidises than they are from weather.

15 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Really Nick, I did not know that, thank you for sharing your wisdom, it was enlightening.

Seriously, read the comments I am replying to before butting in, it would really help.

You also replied to this comment

Granted weather is changing quickly so the farmers will have to adapt or go under. Farming is a business and many businesses fail if they are slow to adapt.

My comment is valid,

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

You also replied to this comment

Granted weather is changing quickly so the farmers will have to adapt or go under. Farming is a business and many businesses fail if they are slow to adapt.

My comment is valid,

Ok Nick, it's been a pleasure.

So many people here (you included) yelp if you truncate a reply. It was obvious to everyone but the worst pedant which bit I was replying to.

Anyway your comment was amazing and intelligent and useful you win. (Is that how I make it stop?)

Just now, josephbloggs said:

Ok Nick, it's been a pleasure.

So many people here (you included) yelp if you truncate a reply. It was obvious to everyone but the worst pedant which bit I was replying to.

Anyway your comment was amazing and intelligent and useful you win. (Is that how I make it stop?)

Nope , I don't recall myself ever complying because posts have been shortened .

Actully, other posters complain because I shorten posts .

So no, I do not "yelp if you truncate a reply"

2 hours ago, VocalNeal said:

I was raised in a market town. My father told me he had never seen a poor farmer. Hence the Range Rover quip.

As for UK. They are probably suffering more from lack of EU subsidises than they are from weather.

Granted weather is changing quickly so the farmers will have to adapt or go under. Farming is a business and many businesses fail if they are slow to adapt.

You were raised very blinkered to farming. Time to broaden your knowledge.

A lot of farmers sell up, their children can't handle the hours, the dedication.

I heard that dairy farms are increasingly in the hands of big companies with the herd kept indoors the entire year, poor cows.

As for statistics:

Record Sector Closures: A record 6,365 agriculture, forestry, and fishing businesses closed down in the 12 months leading up to June 2025. This marks the highest rate of sector closures since the Office for National Statistics (ONS) began tracking quarterly figures in 2017. [1, 2]

Net Loss of Farms: The sector is shrinking rapidly. While over 6,300 businesses closed, only 3,190 new ones opened, leading to a net loss of 3,175 rural businesses in a single year.

Main Drivers Behind the Crisis

Farmers are dealing with an accumulation of financial pressures that are forcing them out of business:

• Dwindling Profit Margins: A recent Farmdex report revealed that 35% of British farmers are making a loss or merely breaking even, largely due to the phased reduction of post-Brexit subsidies.

• Rising Input Costs: Spiralling costs for fertiliser, feed, energy, and labor (compounded by National Insurance hikes) have made smaller family operations unviable.

13 hours ago, SOTIRIOS said:

...With The Hundreds Of Millions Of Units ...(Kilos/Bushels/Tons/Liters/Gallons)

...Of Produce Being Intentionally Destroyed...

...To Either Control The Producers... (Farmers)

...Or The Prices... (To Increase Profits)

...This Is An Utterly Murderous Scenario...

...Which Is Not Based On Reality...

...But On Some Other Agenda...

...And It Is Going Global...

...'Wake Up'... (As Is Often Said)

...This Is Not 'Happening'...It Is Being Orchestrated...

...(Do Your Research)

Oh my, another sinister plot. How is it you are privy to this information, and other better educated and rational people are not?

This is only the very beginning.

Please just wait for the OIL SHOCK of the latter part of 2026 to really bite.

Then you will see a thing, or two.....

There won't be any shortages.

Supply & Demand.

As Supply goes down, prices go up.

Demand will fall, as people will eat less food.

And maybe more dirt, cardboard, grass and other lower cost alternatives to food.

Capitalism.

Got everything figured out already® 😄

2 hours ago, SiSePuede419 said:

As Supply goes down, prices go up.

Demand will fall, as people will eat less food.

When a particular food type goes up, I just eat a different food, not less food.

For example, when I moved to Thailand beef was too expensive, so I just eat more pork.

Cornflakes became expensive, so I switched to Muesli.

It's not as if all foods rise in price at the same time.

Edited August 3Aug 3 by BritManToo

2 hours ago, SiSePuede419 said:

There won't be any shortages.

Supply & Demand.

As Supply goes down, prices go up.

Demand will fall, as people will eat less food.

And maybe more dirt, cardboard, grass and other lower cost alternatives to food.

Capitalism.

Got everything figured out already® 😄

They will be starve. Water shortage and food Europe will lack food. Scientist said it.