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Trump Gives 'Last Chance’ to Sign Deal Before ‘Decapitation’

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On 8/4/2026 at 2:53 AM, Eric Loh said:

Iran is bypassing Trump and negotiating directly with Oman to secure a commercial shipping route. They will soon negotiate with the other GCC countries and even EU to find common grounds. Iran rejecting direct talks with USA as they don't trust Trump. No countries will ever trust Trump's USA.

Nonsense. Iran has never upheld anything they agreed to except allowing aircraft carrying pallets of cash sent my Hussein Obama.

Outside of their 12 mile territorial waters Iran nor Oman have no jurisdiction over the straits.

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26 minutes ago, HolmesEquivelant said:

Outside of their 12 mile territorial waters Iran nor Oman have no jurisdiction over the straits.

When I went to school 12+12 made 24 the strait is 24 miles wide (or 21 nautical miles) Oman with its 12 mile territorial waters one side Iran with its 12 mile territorial waters on the other so it could be argued that the strait is fully within Oman & Iran's territorial waters so in effect they have full control of the strait between them.

But then there is what is called the "Transit Passage Right" where it gets a bit more complicated which should under normal circumstances allow all ships a right of passage free of any charge through the strait.

The problem is these are not normal circumstances there are mines for one thing so again it could be argued that Oman & Iran could charge a fee for "safe" passage through the strait.

I'm not saying it is right or even legal under international law but then again what the USA has done by attacking Iran and imposing a blockade is not legal under international law either.

Unless of course International law only applies to the USA if it can pick and choose what laws it wants.

On 8/4/2026 at 6:08 PM, wombat said:

Er...scuze me... how many times have we heard this before?

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I agree. Iran keeps fing things up!

Time for the final decapitation of there leaders.

1 hour ago, Bannoi said:

When I went to school 12+12 made 24 the strait is 24 miles wide (or 21 nautical miles) Oman with its 12 mile territorial waters one side Iran with its 12 mile territorial waters on the other so it could be argued that the strait is fully within Oman & Iran's territorial waters so in effect they have full control of the strait between them.

But then there is what is called the "Transit Passage Right" where it gets a bit more complicated which should under normal circumstances allow all ships a right of passage free of any charge through the strait.

The problem is these are not normal circumstances there are mines for one thing so again it could be argued that Oman & Iran could charge a fee for "safe" passage through the strait.

I'm not saying it is right or even legal under international law but then again what the USA has done by attacking Iran and imposing a blockade is not legal under international law either.

Unless of course International law only applies to the USA if it can pick and choose what laws it wants.

Speak softly and carry a big stick.

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2 hours ago, Bannoi said:

When I went to school 12+12 made 24 the strait is 24 miles wide (or 21 nautical miles) Oman with its 12 mile territorial waters one side Iran with its 12 mile territorial waters on the other so it could be argued that the strait is fully within Oman & Iran's territorial waters so in effect they have full control of the strait between them.

But then there is what is called the "Transit Passage Right" where it gets a bit more complicated which should under normal circumstances allow all ships a right of passage free of any charge through the strait.

The problem is these are not normal circumstances there are mines for one thing so again it could be argued that Oman & Iran could charge a fee for "safe" passage through the strait.

I'm not saying it is right or even legal under international law but then again what the USA has done by attacking Iran and imposing a blockade is not legal under international law either.

Unless of course International law only applies to the USA if it can pick and choose what laws it wants.

Your math is correct and yes correct wording is paramount.

I’m definitely not a sea lawyer but while the straits fall within the territorial seas of both countries however it’s also classified as a passage for international ships without impediment.

4 hours ago, HolmesEquivelant said:

I agree. Iran keeps fing things up!

Time for the final decapitation of there leaders.

Speak softly and carry a big stick.

How many times must the line in sand be moved before America just says f'it and gets the regime change with boots on the ground?

From what I read the Kurds are waiting to facilitate that regime change... but hey what do I know?

17 hours ago, FinChin67 said:

Iran isn't "bypassing" anyone in a way that matters.

They're talking to Oman about coordinates for a temporary shipping corridor through the Strait of Hormuz — inbound traffic more through Iranian waters, outbound involving Omani ones — and those talks are in the final stages. That's real. What isn't real is the fantasy that this somehow renders the United States irrelevant or proves "no countries will ever trust Trump's USA".

Iran itself keeps saying the Oman deal does not reopen the strait.

Full reopening is explicitly conditioned on the U.S. lifting the naval blockade, ending sanctions, releasing frozen assets, paying compensation for war damage, stopping threats, and more. Iranian officials (Araqchi, Zolqadr, Baghaei) have repeated this for days. Messages are still being exchanged with Washington through intermediaries; Tehran just refuses direct talks while claiming the U.S. breached the June MoU.

That's not bold independence. That's a country that shut the world's most important oil chokepoint and now needs the other side to blink on the conditions that actually matter.

The idea that Iran will casually roll this out to the rest of the GCC and the EU as some post-American order is cope. GCC states live next to the same waterway and have their own oil exports and security concerns. Europe needs the energy flows. None of them are lining up to underwrite Iranian control of Hormuz while Tehran holds the strait closed as leverage. The actual leverage still runs through Washington because the U.S. is the one enforcing the blockade and sanctions that Iran wants lifted.

"No countries will ever trust Trump's USA" is pure cope. Countries deal with the United States under whatever administration is in power because the alternative is worse for their own interests. Iran talking to Oman about lane coordinates while demanding a long list of American concessions is not proof of American isolation. It's proof that even after months of conflict, Tehran still has to negotiate the terms of reopening the waterway it closed.

Cutting the chase, whoever control the Hormuz Straits has the leverage. That will be Iran and Oman not USA. Iran will not enter into any direct negotiation with US. Twice in the middle of negotiations, US attack Iran. There is no trust with Iran that Trump will keep to his words. Iran is neither in a hurry to open Hormuz and their Parlimentary speaker and deputy speaker have made it clear that they will never open Hormuz until all their conditions are meet. They have made a calculation that they rather suffered the pain and wait out until Trump leave office or relent on all the conditions. I will hesistate to bet on Iran capitulating. The have survived years of sanctions and 8 years of war with Iraq. They have found ways to circumvent the economic hardship with their shadow economy, land borders and trading in yuan or rubbles with China and Russia. US will not be able to go the same distance as Iran. Iran don't need to negotiate with US, they just close the Straits or open to friendly countries except for US and Israel ships. Oil and fertilizer prices will still be a big factor and a mid term election horror show for Trump and the Republicans. You think they can hold on further with no end in sight in this war?

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5 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Cutting the chase, whoever control the Hormuz Straits has the leverage. That will be Iran and Oman not USA. Iran will not enter into any direct negotiation with US. Twice in the middle of negotiations, US attack Iran. There is no trust with Iran that Trump will keep to his words. Iran is neither in a hurry to open Hormuz and their Parlimentary speaker and deputy speaker have made it clear that they will never open Hormuz until all their conditions are meet. They have made a calculation that they rather suffered the pain and wait out until Trump leave office or relent on all the conditions. I will hesistate to bet on Iran capitulating. The have survived years of sanctions and 8 years of way with Irag. They have found ways to circumvent the economic hardship with their shadow economy, land borders and trading in yuan or rubbles with China and Russia. US will not be able to go the same distance as Iran. Iran don't need to negotiate with US, they just close the Straits or open to friendly countries except for US and Israel ships. Oil and fertilizer prices will still be a big factor and a mid term election horrow show for Trump and the Republicans. You think they can hold on further with no end in sight in this war?

FYI: Iran doesn’t “control” the Strait. It can threaten it.


Geography gives Iran the northern shore and some islands. The main deep-water lanes sit mostly on the Omani side. The U.S. Navy can still project more force there than Iran can permanently deny. Closing or selectively bottlenecking the Strait is a suicide lever: Iran’s own oil exports, grain imports, and shadow fleet all run through the same choke point.

China and Russia buy discounted Iranian crude, not infinite pain tolerance.

“We survived sanctions and the Iran-Iraq war” is nostalgia, not strategy. Those were different eras with different oil prices, different Chinese demand, and no sustained U.S. naval presence choking their ports. A regime that needs hard currency to pay its security apparatus does not get to “wait out” a president while its storage tanks fill and its customers quietly reroute.

Selective opening for “friendly” ships sounds clever until insurers refuse coverage, shippers refuse risk, and the U.S. simply interdicts Iranian-linked traffic harder. Midterm politics cut both ways: high oil and fertilizer prices hurt Republican voters, but prolonged Iranian intransigence also tanks the very Chinese and Indian demand that keeps Tehran’s shadow economy alive.

Iran’s parliamentary tough talk is cheap. The calculation that America will blink first while Iran bleeds slower has been tested before.

History is not kind to the side that mistakes temporary disruption for permanent leverage.

I need to put this here too. If your foreign policy team is Iran, China, Russia, and India, the only thing you’re really fighting for is your hatred of Trump. Everything else is just the costume.

4 minutes ago, FinChin67 said:

History is not kind to the side that mistakes temporary disruption for permanent leverage.

Agree but who is making the mistake?

17 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

Agree but who is making the mistake?

I thought I was quite clear above. Iran. Under the Shah Iran experienced one of the fastest sustained growth periods in its modern history. Real GDP per capita grew at roughly 8% annually from 1963–1976. Then came Islam.

Iran-Iraq “Tanker War”
2011–2012 nuclear sanctions threats
Post-2018 “maximum pressure” period and 2019 attacks

Oh and these did not work...

Bush prioritized isolation
Obama prioritized a nuclear bargain backed by sanctions pressure
Biden tried to restore the Obama approach while dealing with a more advanced Iranian nuclear program and heightened proxy conflicts.

Again, if your foreign policy team is Iran, China, Russia, and India, the only thing you’re really fighting for is your hatred of Trump.

I hope Trump succeeds and Iranian people get rid of Islam.

48 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Cutting the chase, whoever control the Hormuz Straits has the leverage. That will be Iran and Oman not USA. Iran will not enter into any direct negotiation with US. Twice in the middle of negotiations, US attack Iran. There is no trust with Iran that Trump will keep to his words. Iran is neither in a hurry to open Hormuz and their Parlimentary speaker and deputy speaker have made it clear that they will never open Hormuz until all their conditions are meet. They have made a calculation that they rather suffered the pain and wait out until Trump leave office or relent on all the conditions. I will hesistate to bet on Iran capitulating. The have survived years of sanctions and 8 years of war with Iraq. They have found ways to circumvent the economic hardship with their shadow economy, land borders and trading in yuan or rubbles with China and Russia. US will not be able to go the same distance as Iran. Iran don't need to negotiate with US, they just close the Straits or open to friendly countries except for US and Israel ships. Oil and fertilizer prices will still be a big factor and a mid term election horror show for Trump and the Republicans. You think they can hold on further with no end in sight in this war?

You’re delusional. Iran violated the memorandum of agreement, then Trump attacks.

Iran has never kept any agreement..

Have you considered immigrating there? I’m sure they would love to have you.

And yes, I’m a bit disappointed in Trump. He should maintained the bombing campaign from day one until the leadership and Republican Guard are no more.

Iran is stalling. Iran won’t negotiate.

But what I like the most is Trump is doing everything that Hussein, Hillary, Biden and Harris wanted to do, said they would do it and didn’t have the balls to do it.

And it drives the haters insane!

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46 minutes ago, FinChin67 said:

FYI: Iran doesn’t “control” the Strait. It can threaten it.


Geography gives Iran the northern shore and some islands. The main deep-water lanes sit mostly on the Omani side. The U.S. Navy can still project more force there than Iran can permanently deny. Closing or selectively bottlenecking the Strait is a suicide lever: Iran’s own oil exports, grain imports, and shadow fleet all run through the same choke point.

China and Russia buy discounted Iranian crude, not infinite pain tolerance.

“We survived sanctions and the Iran-Iraq war” is nostalgia, not strategy. Those were different eras with different oil prices, different Chinese demand, and no sustained U.S. naval presence choking their ports. A regime that needs hard currency to pay its security apparatus does not get to “wait out” a president while its storage tanks fill and its customers quietly reroute.

Selective opening for “friendly” ships sounds clever until insurers refuse coverage, shippers refuse risk, and the U.S. simply interdicts Iranian-linked traffic harder. Midterm politics cut both ways: high oil and fertilizer prices hurt Republican voters, but prolonged Iranian intransigence also tanks the very Chinese and Indian demand that keeps Tehran’s shadow economy alive.

Iran’s parliamentary tough talk is cheap. The calculation that America will blink first while Iran bleeds slower has been tested before.

History is not kind to the side that mistakes temporary disruption for permanent leverage.

I need to put this here too. If your foreign policy team is Iran, China, Russia, and India, the only thing you’re really fighting for is your hatred of Trump. Everything else is just the costume.

Last check. Iran still control the Straits and not negotiating directly with USA. Meanwhile Trump is desperately exploring ways to exit the conflict. Falling approval ratings created political risks for him and his party. He even is considering dropping his initial core demand regarding Iran's nuclear program to declare victory if Iran open the Straits. That's the level of desperation of ceding the nuclear demand. Iran has manage well their economic woes. Hard currency? They are using other currency to trade. By the way, is the Iran war a US foreign policy or Isreal foreign policy?

On 8/4/2026 at 3:56 PM, webfact said:

Trump said that, whether Iran acknowledges it or not, the two sides are talking about a solution to a problem he said Iran created “for decades”.

typical loser deflection, he's confused about who created the problem, somebody should update him

10 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Last check. Iran still control the Straits and not negotiating directly with USA. Meanwhile Trump is desperately exploring ways to exit the conflict. Falling approval ratings created political risks for him and his party. He even is considering dropping his initial core demand regarding Iran's nuclear program to declare victory if Iran open the Straits. That's the level of desperation of ceding the nuclear demand. Iran has manage well their economic woes. Hard currency? They are using other currency to trade. By the way, is the Iran war a US foreign policy or Isreal foreign policy?

You go with team Iran, China, Russia, and India.

I change this a little: The only thing you’re really fighting for is your hatred of Trump and Israel.

The contest is far from decided, yet I hope the side that prevails is Trump’s rather than that of the communists and the Islamists.

6 hours ago, HolmesEquivelant said:

it’s also classified as a passage for international ships without impediment.

it was before Trump decided to go after Iran

4 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

typical loser deflection, he's confused about who created the problem, somebody should update him

You should update yourself too.

In 1953 the CIA and MI6 overthrew Iran’s elected prime minister and restored the Shah, whose authoritarian rule and close alignment with Washington bred deep resentment.

After the 1979 revolution, Iran seized the US embassy and held Americans hostage for 444 days; the United States then backed Saddam Hussein in the Iran–Iraq War and later imposed successive rounds of sanctions.

Iran, for its part, spent the following decades building a nuclear program, arming proxies such as Hezbollah, Hamas and the Houthis, and repeatedly threatening Israel and American interests in the region.

I hope Trump & iranian people win instead of communists & muslims as I have stated earlier.

i think the noise trump makes is attempts to calm oil prices

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40 minutes ago, HolmesEquivelant said:

You’re delusional. Iran violated the memorandum of agreement, then Trump attacks.

Iran has never kept any agreement..

Have you considered immigrating there? I’m sure they would love to have you.

And yes, I’m a bit disappointed in Trump. He should maintained the bombing campaign from day one until the leadership and Republican Guard are no more.

Iran is stalling. Iran won’t negotiate.

But what I like the most is Trump is doing everything that Hussein, Hillary, Biden and Harris wanted to do, said they would do it and didn’t have the balls to do it.

And it drives the haters insane!

You need to sort out the difference between negotiation and agreement. He attack in midst of the Doha negotiation twice and he broke the MOU by encouraging ships to sail in a non agreed shipping route.

BUsh, Obama & Biden were smart and didn’t fall for Netanyahu’s deception to pull US into their war with Iran.

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

it was before Trump decided to go after Iran

44 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

You need to sort out the difference between negotiation and agreement. He attack in midst of the Doha negotiation twice and he broke the MOU by encouraging ships to sail in a non agreed shipping route.

BUsh, Obama & Biden were smart and didn’t fall for Netanyahu’s deception to pull US into their war with Iran.

We dodged a bullet. “Just don’t “

3 hours ago, FinChin67 said:

Then came Islam.

From about the 7th century. Long before the latest Shah.

The US has never understood or tried to understand Islam. Too old for them.

52 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

From about the 7th century. Long before the latest Shah.

The US has never understood or tried to understand Islam. Too old for them.

Before Islam, Iran (Persia) was the center of successive Iranian empires—Achaemenid, Parthian, and especially the Sasanian Empire (224–651 CE). The dominant religion was Zoroastrianism, a dualistic faith centered on Ahura Mazda, with fire temples, a hereditary priesthood, and a strong imperial ideology that presented the Sasanian shahanshah as the protector of the true faith against Rome/Byzantium.


Then came Arab Conquest and Early Islamization (7th–9th centuries)

The Muslim armies defeated the Sasanians at the Battle of al-Qadisiyyah (636–637) and subsequent campaigns. The last Sasanian king, Yazdegerd III, was killed in 651. Large parts of Iran came under the Rashidun and then Umayyad caliphates.

There’s nothing to ‘understand’ about Islam. It’s not a puzzle. It’s a 7th-century desert death cult that is 1000% incompatible with any Western society that wants to remain free, secular, or even vaguely functional.

On 8/11/2026 at 1:51 AM, HolmesEquivelant said:

Outside of their 12 mile territorial waters Iran nor Oman have no jurisdiction over the straits.

The same restriction applies to the US, a whole 8000 miles away.

On 8/11/2026 at 5:26 AM, HolmesEquivelant said:

I’m definitely not a sea lawyer but while the straits fall within the territorial seas of both countries however it’s also classified as a passage for international ships without impediment.

So where does Trump get off by saying he will impose a USN blockade and collect fees from all for right of passage?

The US has an almost unlimited supply of Sporks.

Fight me, Persia.

Face it, you eat hummus with your hands.

America's dinner technology is no match for you.

Give up now. 🍴

On 8/4/2026 at 6:44 PM, JAG said:

Time to source and move fuel oil for the US navy ships (apart from the aircraft carriers and submarines they run on diesel which has to be brought in on tankers.

American submarines and aircraft carriers are nuclear and do not use tankers for refueling. Maybe it is the pump-jets confusing you? Everything else has merit.

20 hours ago, FinChin67 said:

Real GDP per capita grew at roughly 8% annually from 1963–1976.

Civil liberties and human rights were abused by state tools such as SAVAK, repressing free speech by the varied use of kidnap, torture and public executions. All backed by the CIA and Mossad.

20 hours ago, FinChin67 said:

Then came Islam.

There. Sorted your trite, potted history for you.

Just another example of wherever in the world the mighty USA sticks its oar in the water, it's pretty much f____d.

22 hours ago, wombat said:

How many times must the line in sand be moved before America just says f'it and gets the regime change with boots on the ground?

...

US soldiers will die which will end the presidency of whoever decides to invade Iran so no, that isn't going to happen. Nobody, not even the mighty IDF, is willing to be their proxy "boots on the ground" so no, that isn't going to happen either. Ever.

22 hours ago, wombat said:

...

From what I read the Kurds are waiting to facilitate that regime change... but hey what do I know?

I heard that Türkiye has very recently passed legislation that allows the PKK (the Kurds of northern Iraq) to reintegrate in society.

https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20260810-turkey-parliament-passes-limited-amnesty-law-for-kurdish-pkk-militants

1 hour ago, cjinchiangrai said:

American submarines and aircraft carriers are nuclear and do not use tankers for refueling. Maybe it is the pump-jets confusing you? Everything else has merit.

No. I was talking about the rest of the surface fleet - I missed out the closing bracket.

I have seen it reported that they are running low on fuel.

Maintaining such a massive force so far from it's home base is a huge logistical task. Everything from fuel, munitions, rations and even toothpaste.

What did Eisenhower say - tactics win battles, logistics win wars!

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8 minutes ago, HolmesEquivelant said:

Because he can!

But the stark reality is that he can't. Just more mouth and trousers. I recall O'Reilly on Fox called it bloviating?

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