5 hours ago, Captain Disorderly said:

During my previous internet search , I did keep seeing the word ‘’ Tumeric ‘’ being mentioned, but there was so much conflicting advice about using Tumeric , that it became a bit confusing .

1. Turmeric tea: 1 cup hot water ½ teaspoon turmeric Pinch of black pepper Optional: (honey), lemon, ginger (that's how I do every morning)

2. "Golden milk": Warm milk (cow or plant-based) ½ teaspoon turmeric Pinch cinnamon + black pepper Optional: a little honey

Muscle fibers do loose elasticity with age. And arthritis can stiffen jpints.

A diet with ample high quality protein is helpful. Some people find creatine supplements helpful. Evidence is mixed but some find glucosamine helps joints.

But the very best thing is a combination of regular, age-appropriate exercise and daily stretches. Look up "stretches for seniors" on you tube.

Avoid anything that causes actual pain. You want to feel a stretch but not pain. With trial and error you'll find what works best for you.

Also -- avoid prolonged sitting or lying. Get up at least hourly while awake even if just for a short while.

On 8/10/2026 at 9:15 AM, Captain Disorderly said:

I’m a retired 77 year old man living in Thailand , I’m generally fit and try to watch what I eat and don’t drink alcohol , smoke or use drugs. I use my home treadmill most days to slowly walk a few kilometers.

Over the past few months Ive started to notice that when I physically try to do some thing, like bend down to pick some thing off the floor, or when getting out of bed in the morning, or other normal physical activities, I get what I can only describe as aches and pains , mainly in my arms , legs and back .

I understand what I’m now experiencing may be due to my advanced age , but I’m hoping I can in some way try and reduce the annoying feeling of aches and pains . I was wondering if taking some form of natural supplement would help reduce my aches and pains. Ive looked and searched on the internet for an answer, but it seems to be flooded with far too many advertising generated recommendations .

So has any one here experienced any thing similar ( aches and pains ) and may have found some thing that helped .

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Have you discussed this with an advanced AI?

Most of us old geezers don't have an MD, which is amply illustrated by some of the advice being offered here. 😉

A good AI can be surprisingly useful for this sort of thing, particularly if you have a detailed, iterative conversation with it rather than just asking a single question. Describe your symptoms, when they occur, your lifestyle, medications and supplements, medical history, and anything else that might be relevant. It can then ask follow-up questions and help you narrow down possible causes and sensible things to discuss with your doctor.

That will probably give you more useful and structured guidance than trying to make sense of hundreds of supplement recommendations and advertisements on Google.

Obviously, it doesn't replace a doctor, but it can make you much better informed before you see one.

I don't know what will work for you, but for me, at almost 80, I have a clear understanding of the problem, and the solution is simple: stop eating wheat products.

Sounds strange. It did to me when I first heard about it, and I wasn't about to give up bread and noodles because of some quack!

But I 'accidentally' stopped eating wheat products because of something else, and after just one week, all those little aches and pains went away. AWAY.

It didn't stop the Peripheral Neuropathy that plagues my feet at night. It didn't stop the pain in my knee from loss of cartilage. But it DID stop those morning aches and pains in my shoulders, fingers, back, etc., etc. I no longer eat bread made with wheat flour, or noodles made with wheat flour, and the difference is day and night.

There are times, 2-3 times a year, when I break this diet (Hey! I like bread), for a few days, and by the fourth day, I wake up and groan. All those little niggling aches are back! After 4-5 days without wheat, my body feels good again. This isn't the 'Scientific Method,' but having gone through the cycle a dozen times over the years (I've been at this for seven years now), have enough anecdotal evidence to satisfy me that it's the wheat that makes the difference.
It could make the difference for you, too!

I'm 77 next month. I agree in some kind of moving is a good, perhaps the best cure. Start slowly, if you are not used to it, and expand. Walking is great and according to science it is the first 4,000 daily steps that matters, the following up to 10,000 steps do little extra, but not much. Get into a habit of walking faster than slow; experts recommend little faster than normal walk.

Stretching and exercise, people who seems to know about it says, should be done slow for us elder folks — many people points to tai chi as a solution — I'm a believer in that some stretching exercise daily keeps your body in an acceptable shape; talking from experience, and I've also never been sporty. I have a little program I do every morning in slow moderate speed, it's about slowly stretching full out in each exercise. In all it takes few minutes, mayby 10, I never timed it. Also a bit strength training might be good. Experts say that a slow release is what matters for elder folks; for example lifting something is not so much the weight, in spite of whatever is lifted, but that it is descended slowly.

Another important thing is weight — one's body weight or BMI — if too high it can stress joints, and also make exercise as walking difficult and painful. If BMI is in the higher end, even higher end of normal, consider to loose some weight. Look at both how much you eat and what, like reducing carb can do a change, or skipping a daily meal. Some favours the 16/8 intermittent fasting; I normally use it, it's just a question of habit, to enjoy it.

Vitamin D is important, many of us are low in vitamin D. I take mine as part of a natural herb prostate supplement, it should preferably be up around 2,000 units (IU) daily and up to 4,000 units (100 micro grams), according to health experts; this is more than normal official recommendation, but still safe, mine is almost 1,700 units, but I also get little extra Vitamin D from other vitamin-mix. Also vitamin C and vitamin B-12 complex — vitamin B shall always be taken in complex and not together with vitamin C — are great supplements. Collagen is advised for elder people, but there don't seems to be a recommended dose; I take 500 mg twice a week together with vitamin C — some collagen tablets comes together with a vitamin C mix — it could be too little collagen, some might say.

Using natural methods for improving one's health won't change the condition overnight — needs patience — but after a while it often shows improvements. Generally it might be more important to find a balance that you enjoy, than following a specific advice that feels like a burden. Good health often includes some exercise, preferably twice weekly, where your heartbeat comes a bit up and also that you sweat; I also try to do that. Find your own preferred balance by experiment a little. I enjoy what my balance, and I feel more fit today that I did in my 40s...🙂

On 8/11/2026 at 7:07 AM, Captain Disorderly said:

Sadly once I venture out of my house gate onto the road, the local pack of dogs just make walking or cycling both difficult and some times dangerous

I really expected you to say, that pack of dogs was what got you into running!

4 hours ago, mistral53 said:

Have you discussed this with an advanced AI?

Most of us old geezers don't have an MD, which is amply illustrated by some of the advice being offered here. 😉

A good AI can be surprisingly useful for this sort of thing, particularly if you have a detailed, iterative conversation with it rather than just asking a single question. Describe your symptoms, when they occur, your lifestyle, medications and supplements, medical history, and anything else that might be relevant. It can then ask follow-up questions and help you narrow down possible causes and sensible things to discuss with your doctor.

That will probably give you more useful and structured guidance than trying to make sense of hundreds of supplement recommendations and advertisements on Google.

Obviously, it doesn't replace a doctor, but it can make you much better informed before you see one.

I think I'll wait to discuss this with my advanced sex robot.

4 hours ago, FolkGuitar said:

I don't know what will work for you, but for me, at almost 80, I have a clear understanding of the problem, and the solution is simple: stop eating wheat products.

Sounds strange. It did to me when I first heard about it, and I wasn't about to give up bread and noodles because of some quack!

But I 'accidentally' stopped eating wheat products because of something else, and after just one week, all those little aches and pains went away. AWAY.

It didn't stop the Peripheral Neuropathy that plagues my feet at night. It didn't stop the pain in my knee from loss of cartilage. But it DID stop those morning aches and pains in my shoulders, fingers, back, etc., etc. I no longer eat bread made with wheat flour, or noodles made with wheat flour, and the difference is day and night.

There are times, 2-3 times a year, when I break this diet (Hey! I like bread), for a few days, and by the fourth day, I wake up and groan. All those little niggling aches are back! After 4-5 days without wheat, my body feels good again. This isn't the 'Scientific Method,' but having gone through the cycle a dozen times over the years (I've been at this for seven years now), have enough anecdotal evidence to satisfy me that it's the wheat that makes the difference.
It could make the difference for you, too!

Ah, they'll have to pry that slice out of my cold , dead hands!

I take 20+ supplements and none of them work for what you describe. At 76, I’m in the same boat. Knee & hip pain. Can’t bend over easily to pick something off the floor. Difficulty putting on pants and shoes (thongs work better!). Squats? Fuhgeddaboutit.

I did yoga for many years (was a yoga teacher with my own school in my 20s). Yep. Didn’t help. My good friend has been doing tai chi for decades. He’s got yours & my problems.

One reply mentioned Glucosamine/Chondroitin/MSM/Turmeric/Collagen. These do help some people but as certainly not a cure-all. We’re wearing out!

“I always sit up before getting out of bed. Exercises the abs.” Good for him but, if your back hurts ever, sleep with a pillow under or between your knees, roll to the side and raise yourself with your arm to get out of bed! 

At 77, I don’t think you are at an “advanced age” these days. Yikes! I bet there’s a lot more pain to come!

(Sorry for being so cheery!)

4 hours ago, FolkGuitar said:

I don't know what will work for you, but for me, at almost 80, I have a clear understanding of the problem, and the solution is simple: stop eating wheat products.

Sounds strange. It did to me when I first heard about it, and I wasn't about to give up bread and noodles because of some quack!

But I 'accidentally' stopped eating wheat products because of something else, and after just one week, all those little aches and pains went away. AWAY.

It didn't stop the Peripheral Neuropathy that plagues my feet at night. It didn't stop the pain in my knee from loss of cartilage. But it DID stop those morning aches and pains in my shoulders, fingers, back, etc., etc. I no longer eat bread made with wheat flour, or noodles made with wheat flour, and the difference is day and night.

There are times, 2-3 times a year, when I break this diet (Hey! I like bread), for a few days, and by the fourth day, I wake up and groan. All those little niggling aches are back! After 4-5 days without wheat, my body feels good again. This isn't the 'Scientific Method,' but having gone through the cycle a dozen times over the years (I've been at this for seven years now), have enough anecdotal evidence to satisfy me that it's the wheat that makes the difference.
It could make the difference for you, too!

14 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Ah, they'll have to pry that slice out of my cold , dead hands!

That's certainly your choice to make. 🙂
I made mine already, and reap the benefits. In fact, I've taken it a step further and removed most of the carbohydrates from my diet other than leafy green vegetables. That made my body feel even younger! Certainly healthier, with the removal of almost all sugars. I admit I miss 'Twinkies,' but I'm a big boy now and can do without them, and bread, pasta, and fruit smoothies too, as regular additions to my life. 2-3 times a year is more than enough to satisfy me.

3 hours ago, FolkGuitar said:

That's certainly your choice to make. 🙂
I made mine already, and reap the benefits. In fact, I've taken it a step further and removed most of the carbohydrates from my diet other than leafy green vegetables. That made my body feel even younger! Certainly healthier, with the removal of almost all sugars. I admit I miss 'Twinkies,' but I'm a big boy now and can do without them, and bread, pasta, and fruit smoothies too, as regular additions to my life. 2-3 times a year is more than enough to satisfy me.

Dontcha know Twinkies cause you to murder politicians. Of course, that's a pretty good idea! Yeah I'm the same with Oreos: 2-3 times a year.

Are you a vegan or vegetarian yet? I've been a vegetable for 60 years. Has not helped the aches and pains of old age. My kids are all gluten-free so perhaps it will go well for them in old age.

Ah, that New York slice, though...

I am 80 years young, I'm still fit and active, walk everyday and take no med or supplements,

And I practice Qigong twice a day morning and evening without fail

On 8/10/2026 at 9:30 AM, novacova said:

Try yoga or Taichi, anything that involves stretching.

On 8/11/2026 at 7:01 AM, Captain Disorderly said:

Thanks, before I try to do any thing more physical I was hoping that I could possibility take some sort of supplement that would help reduce the constant daily pain , then when the pain has hopefully subsided , start to think about becoming more physically active

Both Tai Chi and yoga are good and I do know because I've practiced both over many years. But the problem is where to learn. And to you Captain, I'd say you're putting the cart before the horse. Because exercise CAN reduce the constant pain you're suffering through daily practice, if you choose the right method.

And the one method that I recommend and practice myself, twice daily is Qigong. Go visit the website below and judge for yourself. I learned this method from Marcus 15 years ago and I still feel fit and healthy at 80 years. No gym, no meds, no supps.

https://enjoyqigong.com

On 8/10/2026 at 8:02 PM, Captain Disorderly said:

Ive never been physically active or been involved in any types of sport, and at 77 years of age , becoming more physically active at my advanced age , only lead to other complications . I suppose I was just thinking that I could take some sort of supplement like you mention ,

maybe try some gentle daily swimming...not olympic style but just 30 mins or so of slow easy back and forth...certainly easier on the joints and gives pretty good movement of arms legs etc...bonus is very hard to hurt yourself or pull a muscle or trip and fall or get hit by a motorbike like when walking etc...

On 8/10/2026 at 9:15 AM, Captain Disorderly said:

I’m a retired 77 year old man living in Thailand , I’m generally fit and try to watch what I eat and don’t drink alcohol , smoke or use drugs. I use my home treadmill most days to slowly walk a few kilometers.

Over the past few months Ive started to notice that when I physically try to do some thing, like bend down to pick some thing off the floor, or when getting out of bed in the morning, or other normal physical activities, I get what I can only describe as aches and pains , mainly in my arms , legs and back .

I understand what I’m now experiencing may be due to my advanced age , but I’m hoping I can in some way try and reduce the annoying feeling of aches and pains . I was wondering if taking some form of natural supplement would help reduce my aches and pains. Ive looked and searched on the internet for an answer, but it seems to be flooded with far too many advertising generated recommendations .

So has any one here experienced any thing similar ( aches and pains ) and may have found some thing that helped .

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Saw an intriguing report from Tokyu University which suggests that menthol & capsaicin mixed has an enhanced synergistic anti-inflammatory effect. So mint & chile paste applied might work if applied to the affected area, or Deep Heat spray plus menthol spray combined might help as well.

The paper is Tera<deleted>a et al. (2026) Nutrients 2026, 18(3), 376; https://doi.org/10.3390/nu18030376

Also a good diet with plenty of fibre & fermented foods with have major benefits

On 8/10/2026 at 9:43 AM, fredwiggy said:

Keep moving for sure, and you can try Glucosamine Sulfate, Chondroitin, Shark Cartilage and Msm for joint support, as I'm thinking that's where you're having the pain and not the muscles themselves. You can find them in a combination instead of separately.

If you can get some weights or go to a gym a couple of times a week, you can build a little muscle, that will help support those joints.

I have pains in my joints at 69 and have for a decade or so, mostly coming from lifting extreme weights for decades, but most everyone experiences these things after 40.

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On 8/10/2026 at 8:15 PM, Captain Disorderly said:

Sadly I don't smoke, but I would love to give cannabis a try.

try gummies no need to smoke if don't want

On 8/11/2026 at 7:13 AM, Captain Disorderly said:

I would love to hear a bit more about you using collagen ( brand / frequency of use / dosage size, Etc.

I used a few different brands, Vital Proteins the main one, Just one scoop a day. When I first started it is when I had just eradicated H Pylori and my gut microbiome was really screwed. It's better now, and the collagen did help then.

On 8/11/2026 at 7:02 AM, Captain Disorderly said:

Ive never been physically active or been involved in any types of sport, and at 77 years of age , becoming more physically active at my advanced age , only lead to other complications . I suppose I was just thinking that I could take some sort of supplement like you mention ,

The best way to help your joints is to build muscle around them, so the muscle takes more of the strain, so any weight bearing exercises you can do, along with walking daily, will help. The cartilage takes a beating through the years, so helping it with supplements can help.