1 hour ago, FolkGuitar said:

I eat two packages of various Deli meats every morning, and have for years. Sure, a ribeye would be healthier, but not needed.

No more gabagool. The doctor said it's bad for you.

Tell you what ... why don't you stop breakin' my balls.

32 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Not objecting. Just pointing out the possible problems with eating so much processed meat. Some take keto to the extremes with no carbs. The Carnivore, which I would never believe is healthy long term, especially for children. That child will soon enough be a teenager, and will eat like one. You are getting enough carbs, especially with the psyllium added, for gut health. I would also like to see the results for that toddler, even though it will be that teen someday, hoping we're both here in 19 more years.

Yes, there IS a 'possible' issue with processed meat, but it's still in the 'maybe' stage. We are old enough to remember when Doctors told us that butter was bad for us, so we switched to margarine. I still remember my mother mixing the little yellow dye packet included in the pure white margarine, making it look like butter. That was then. This is now. Butter is good for us! Do you remember the same issue with eggs? Only one a week, they said. That was then. Now we are told we can, and perhaps should, eat them every day! Salt? Cut it out completely, they said! But it's OK now. I eat pickles almost every day. Sauerkraut twice a week. I eat heavily salted nuts every day, and during the hot season, take salt tablets daily. My blood pressure remains around 120/75, give or take a few points. Perhaps the reduced salt intake guide is for people with hypertension and high blood pressure, and not for folks who do not suffer from it. Salt doesn't cause the problem to start.
Most of us of retirement age are still planning our diets based on the Food Pyramid we were taught in primary school 65-75 years ago.
There have been a LOT of changes.
I, too, wonder about the Carnivore Diet for young children. But if you listen to this doctor, everything he says is backed up by peer-reviewed scientific studies, to which he links his comments. I doubt I'll live long enough to see the results, but the child is almost three years old now, eating this way since being weaned from mother's milk, and medically sound. Who knows?

Just now, FolkGuitar said:

Yes, there IS a 'possible' issue with processed meat, but it's still in the 'maybe' stage.

Not all deli meats are the same.

Some are much more processed than others.

There are some cheap deli meats with artificial additives.

Proper Italian prosciutto may only have some salt added and nothing else.

But then even salt intake is controversial. But on low carb, maybe you need more salt. Not sure.

But best to check the ingredients list.

22 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

No more gabagool. The doctor said it's bad for you.

Tell you what ... why don't you stop breakin' my balls.

LOL! Not my problem. And Tony is dead and buried.
But people are welcome to believe everything everyone with a Dr in front of their name says. Hey, do you remember that guy pushing some diet back in the 70's... Dr. Somebody. Turns out, his doctorate was in Library Science. Or the British diet guru who was found to have a mail-order Ph.d, and ruled that she couldn't use Dr. in her advertising.

8 minutes ago, FolkGuitar said:

Yes, there IS a 'possible' issue with processed meat, but it's still in the 'maybe' stage. We are old enough to remember when Doctors told us that butter was bad for us, so we switched to margarine. I still remember my mother mixing the little yellow dye packet included in the pure white margarine, making it look like butter. That was then. This is now. Butter is good for us! Do you remember the same issue with eggs? Only one a week, they said. That was then. Now we are told we can, and perhaps should, eat them every day! Salt? Cut it out completely, they said! But it's OK now. I eat pickles almost every day. Sauerkraut twice a week. I eat heavily salted nuts every day, and during the hot season, take salt tablets daily. My blood pressure remains around 120/75, give or take a few points. Perhaps the reduced salt intake guide is for people with hypertension and high blood pressure, and not for folks who do not suffer from it. Salt doesn't cause the problem to start.
Most of us of retirement age are still planning our diets based on the Food Pyramid we were taught in primary school 65-75 years ago.
There have been a LOT of changes.
I, too, wonder about the Carnivore Diet for young children. But if you listen to this doctor, everything he says is backed up by peer-reviewed scientific studies, to which he links his comments. I doubt I'll live long enough to see the results, but the child is almost three years old now, eating this way since being weaned from mother's milk, and medically sound. Who knows?

True, margarine was never a good option over butter. I've eaten eggs almost daily for decades, and daily since moving here. I just stay away from dairy besides cheese and yogurt, as I was, and likely am still , allergic to milk.I've eaten 4-5 times a day for 50 years, high carbs, and low fat. My blood pressure is always around 115-54 and pulse 58, Blood sugar 88 so it worked for me. Only problem was H Pylori I got living here which hurt my gut, which I'm still recovering from. Yes, who really knows? I just try to emulate the Blue Zone as much as I can here, and will totally when we move back to Texas, besides the pizza and burgers, BBQ and steaks. They aren't going to be tossed aside. I love sauerkraut but only found it on Lazada, Bavarian style, at $9 a bottle.

Edited September 2Sep 2 by fredwiggy

5 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

True, margarine was never a good option over butter. I've eaten eggs almost daily for decades, and daily since moving here. I just stay away from dairy besides cheese and yogurt, as I was, and likely am still , allergic to milk.I've eaten 4-5 times a day for 50 years, high carbs, and low fat. My blood pressure is always around 115-54 and pulse 58, Blood sugar 88 so it worked for me. Only problem was H Pylori I got living here which hurt my gut, which I'm still recovering from. Yes, who really knows? I just try to emulate the Blue Zone as much as I can here, and will totally when we move back to Texas, besides the pizza and burgers, BBQ and steaks. They aren't going to be tossed aside. I love sauerkraut but only found it on Lazada, Bavarian style, at $9 a bottle.

I eat a lot of it, so usually make my own. I keep a jar going all the time. Cabbage, salt, a bay leaf, and some coriander seeds. Doesn't get much easier than that! I do the same for Sour Kosher Dill pickles, just adding some garlic, allspice berries, and black peppercorns to the brine. (If any Americans favor 'Claussen's Dill Pickles,' that's the recipe for them.)

4 minutes ago, FolkGuitar said:

I eat a lot of it, so usually make my own. I keep a jar going all the time. Cabbage, salt, a bay leaf, and some coriander seeds. Doesn't get much easier than that! I do the same for Sour Kosher Dill pickles, just adding some garlic, allspice berries, and black peppercorns to the brine. (If any Americans favor 'Claussen's Dill Pickles,' that's the recipe for them.)

Yes, I need the fermented kind, and will be doing a lot of that when we move back home. They help your gut and taste great. I love Claussens and usually bring a few bottles back when I fly there. They aren't fermented though I still love them. The Serial Pickler here in Thailand is good but also not cheap. Do any Thailand chain stores not online sell bay leaf and coriander seeds? I see them on Lazada.

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49 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Yes, I need the fermented kind, and will be doing a lot of that when we move back home. They help your gut and taste great. I love Claussens and usually bring a few bottles back when I fly there. They aren't fermented though I still love them. The Serial Pickler here in Thailand is good but also not cheap. Do any Thailand chain stores not online sell bay leaf and coriander seeds? I see them on Lazada.

I’m not sure if I understand, but both Rimping and Tops sell them.

11 minutes ago, FolkGuitar said:

I’m not sure if I understand, but both Rimping and Tops sell them.

I found them on Lazada, was wondering if Lotus carried them, as I never noticed them or Bay Leaf there. I'm far from anything besides them and Big C.

29 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I found them on Lazada, was wondering if Lotus carried them, as I never noticed them or Bay Leaf there. I'm far from anything besides them and Big C.

I haven’t shopped Lotus for food in years, but I seem to remember there were spices on offer. Both of these are common, so perhaps?

2 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

I found them on Lazada, was wondering if Lotus carried them, as I never noticed them or Bay Leaf there. I'm far from anything besides them and Big C.

One reason I like Makro, have a nice spice section, and no need to buy those small overprice jars of. No Makro near you ?

11 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

One reason I like Makro, have a nice spice section, and no need to buy those small overprice jars of. No Makro near you ?

Closest one is 1 1/2 hour drive. Might have to do that to stock up on other things also.

2 hours ago, FolkGuitar said:

I haven’t shopped Lotus for food in years, but I seem to remember there were spices on offer. Both of these are common, so perhaps?

Not that I've seen. No Bay or Coriander Seeds. Mostly the basics. I'll have to take a drive like KhunLa said, to Makro.

7 hours ago, FolkGuitar said:

When I started Keto, it was to lose weight. I weighed 40 kilograms more than was health, and my body was in revolt. I looked like a whale, felt like a whale, and was quickly losing my self-respect. I had always been athletic, but really couldn't play well any longer.
Keto took the weight off quickly and easily. I could track the loss each week, seeing very positive reduction, which was motivating.
Once I reached my target weight, I discovered this eating style did more for my body than just losing weight. Those little aches and pains we older folks experience in the morning were gone! Shoulders, knees, hands... all felt 'younger.' I felt younger. I broke the diet for a week (I thought I was missing pizza and pasta) and saw all those little aches come right back!

So I went back into the diet and made it a lifestyle. I've been following it for over seven years now (I track my weight and blood pressure every Saturday). My weight has remained 72+/- kilo for the past 6 years.
This chart starts at Week 26, a half year into Keto. I'm at Week 382 now.
And this is my usual way to breakfast... two packages of deli meat, a slab of Cheddar cheese, a handful of Kalamata olives, and an avocado in season.

Presumably, you felt better and were no longer in pain because you were no longer 100 pounds overweight. Carrying that kind of extra weight puts a tremendous amount of additional wear and tear on the joints and connective tissues.

And perhaps the reason you started feeling bad again when you went off the keto diet is that you’ve now conditioned yourself to associate feeling better with what you eat, rather than with the fact that you lost all that excess weight. So every time you eat carbs again, you may be triggering a psychosomatic response that brings the pain back, mind-induced pain rather than the physically induced pain you were experiencing before.

59 minutes ago, Alpha84 said:

Presumably, you felt better and were no longer in pain because you were no longer 100 pounds overweight. Carrying that kind of extra weight puts a tremendous amount of additional wear and tear on the joints and connective tissues.

And perhaps the reason you started feeling bad again when you went off the keto diet is that you’ve now conditioned yourself to associate feeling better with what you eat, rather than with the fact that you lost all that excess weight. So every time you eat carbs again, you may be triggering a psychosomatic response that brings the pain back, mind-induced pain rather than the physically induced pain you were experiencing before.

If he was eating pasta, a lot of rice, basically white flour anything, fried foods, heavy sugars, or a lot of alcohol, stopping this would stop the inflammation occurring, which has stopped because of the Keto and lack of refined carbohydrates. Switching to whole grains would not bring the weight back along with that inflammation, so sticking with the Keto, where he is eating carbs but not many, will keep his weight down and the joint pain from re-occurring.

I know joint pain, and it's as real as any pain gets, as it occurs when your mind is totally elsewhere, or when you wake up with a burn in your shoulders or knees. I've eaten high carbs all my life, as I was training 4 times a week heavy, but the joint problems came from those heavy weights and not diet, as I rarely ate anything refined the last 50 years. Inflammation is a major problem in most everyone who gets older, and more so if you eat crappy.

55 minutes ago, Alpha84 said:

Presumably, you felt better and were no longer in pain because you were no longer 100 pounds overweight. Carrying that kind of extra weight puts a tremendous amount of additional wear and tear on the joints and connective tissues.

And perhaps the reason you started feeling bad again when you went off the keto diet is that you’ve now conditioned yourself to associate feeling better with what you eat, rather than with the fact that you lost all that excess weight. So every time you eat carbs again, you may be triggering a psychosomatic response that brings the pain back, mind-induced pain rather than the physically induced pain you were experiencing before.

That, of course, is entirely possible. A more likely cause might be wheat products, rather than carbs in general. After all, I do eat carbs every day, and have none of those uncomfortable aches or pains. Yet, when I break the diet and eat bread, noodles, or any other dish made with wheat flour, by the third or fourth day of eating that way, my body starts to feel old again. It's the stereotypical 'old man' feeling. It's purely anecdotal, but after seven years going on and off the diet, the data adds up. My body tells me how I feel. And I prefer not to feel like an old man, even though I may be one! 🙂
Let me recommend an interesting book. I read it after I had already stopped eating bread and noodles, and while it's not the greatest read in the world, it is accurate.
'Wheat Belly: Total Health ' by Dr. William Davis, a Milwaukee-based cardiologist.

I recently read an article how Truvia, which uses erythritol, may be linked to a faster decline in memory and overall thinking skills.

On 9/1/2026 at 7:36 AM, save the frogs said:

Ok, thanks.

I didn't know that about Allulose.

So it may not work well in coffee then?

Yeah, monkfruit is a good one too.

I have tried Allulose, but two teaspoons of it in my morning cuppa, made hardly any difference!! Will give Monkfruit a try!

3 minutes ago, xylophone said:

I have tried Allulose, but two teaspoons of it in my morning cuppa, made hardly any difference!! Will give Monkfruit a try!

If I don't have Equal or Splenda (brought some back from Texas last year) I use Monkfruit and vice versa. I don't like coffee sweet so it's works well. When I'm back home in Texas I'll have them add 2 Splenda or Equals to an Iced Coffee. The same for Iced Tea. For Monkfruit I just use a sprinkling.

46 minutes ago, xylophone said:

I have tried Allulose, but two teaspoons of it in my morning cuppa, made hardly any difference!! Will give Monkfruit a try!

iHerb has many products that mix Allulose with Monkfruit. Tasts good to me.

This is crazy.

Give me glucose, any day.

The healthiest sugar, by far.

COMES FROM the SUN, you know.....

So, must be good.

Edited September 5Sep 5 by GammaGlobulin

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

If I don't have Equal or Splenda (brought some back from Texas last year) I use Monkfruit and vice versa. I don't like coffee sweet so it's works well. When I'm back home in Texas I'll have them add 2 Splenda or Equals to an Iced Coffee. The same for Iced Tea. For Monkfruit I just use a sprinkling.

Austin Texas is the 1st place to roll out Tesla Cybercabs.

6 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

This is crazy.

Give me glucose, any day.

The healthiest sugar, by far.

COMES FROM the SUN, you know.....

So, must be good.

Dont forget your glucose monitor then, boy.

10 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Austin Texas is the 1st place to roll out Tesla Cybercabs.

Yes, saw that. When we went back to visit last year, we saw the Waymo's for Uber . All over, couldn't go a few minutes without seeing one. You should have seen the look on my 8 year olds face the first time she saw one pull up next to us.

32 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Dont forget your glucose monitor then, boy.

My glucose is monitored in every one of my many cells.

No problem, so far.

Thanks for asking.

My neurons are all doing well....by the way.......

They feed on glucose, don't you know.......

24 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

This is crazy.

Give me glucose, any day.

The healthiest sugar, by far.

COMES FROM the SUN, you know.....

So, must be good.

No sugar is regarded as the healthiest. Your body uses glucose as it's primary energy source. Where the sugar comes from is more important than the type. https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/sucrose-glucose-fructose#limiting-your-intake

Edited September 5Sep 5 by fredwiggy

34 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

No sugar is regarded as the healthiest. Your body uses glucose as it's primary energy source. Where the sugar comes from is more important than the type. https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/sucrose-glucose-fructose#limiting-your-intake

No.

Glucose is healthy.

Without it, you would not be typing here.

Your very little knowledge about Science is a VERY DANGEROUS thing....not for you, ...maybe, but....

For the TV Forum, very likely.

18 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

No.

Glucose is healthy.

Without it, you would not be typing here.

If it were that simple, then why were glucose monitors invented at all?

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

If it were that simple, then why were glucose monitors invented at all?

You are joking, right?

Homeostasis is NOT a modern invention.......maybe.....

22 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

No.

Glucose is healthy.

Without it, you would not be typing here.

Your very little knowledge about Science is a VERY DANGEROUS thing....not for you, ...maybe, but....

For the TV Forum, very likely.

Read it again.I have a lot more stored knowledge than you could believe, and don't need to go to AI besides to prove a point, unlike what you do. As far as nutrition, I likely knew more about the subject at 18 than you ever will. You see, I've been into nutrition all my life. You google it trying to prove a point that I knew long ago.I didn't say glucose was unhealthy. I said , dismissing what you said, that no sugar is the healthiest, which is a misconception on your part. here, read this link by Healthline. This is what I knew in high school and studied afterwards as a trainer https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/sucrose-glucose-fructose#absorption-and-use

Edited September 5Sep 5 by fredwiggy