17 minutes ago, rumak said:

then surely those who we now "hate" for believing, or being played or payed , no matter which side , should be granted the same leniency for the acts they committed. No ? After all, only a very few risked going 100% against the controlling world interests. From a few political figures ( who paid the price) to a few media types (who also paid the price and either backed off or were sent packing)

of course, my view is not black or white on this . most of humanity goes along with "trust authority" due to programming from the beginning of life .

however, those who actively use power or "persuasion" to force others to commit an act such as taking a shot , those people i will not forgive , as if they did it once they will almost certainly do it again.

As for the puppets ? well, i don't see very many popping in to say how they will definitely not play along next time.

25 minutes ago, rumak said:

however, those who actively use power or "persuasion" to force others to commit an act such as taking a shot , those people i will not forgive , as if they did it once they will almost certainly do it again.

An event like Covid will never occur again in our lifetimes.

I suppose you can hold a grudge forever. But you are psychologically ensnaring yourself and this is no doubt degrading your own mental health. What are you planning to do? Every time someone dies "a suspicious death", link it back to Covid and say "See, I told ya so!" .

You can't prove nothing anyway. You're just chasing the bogeyman.

41 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

An event like Covid will never occur again in our lifetimes.

Don't be so sure.

7 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

POTUS is not a substacker or podcaster, and none of us can fathom the treacherous and complex level he operated in during the Covid War (as he said in March 18 2020 during a White House press briefing: "I'm a wartime President").

Indeed it was, I think that is an understatement to say the least. The Covid nightmare was not designed to be the kind you wake up from. I have asked Claude (which I started using lately and find better than Grok and Gemini) to summarise the below article on what was in store before Warp Speed derailed the whole plan.

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Brownstone Institute: The CDC Planned Quarantine Camps Nationwide

1. The article states that "on July 26, 2020... the CDC issued a plan for establishing nationwide quarantine camps," citing an archived CDC page titled "Interim Operational Considerations for Implementing the Shielding Approach to Prevent COVID-19 Infections in Humanitarian Settings."

2. It describes the plan as involving isolation with only food and cleaning supplies provided, a ban on religious services, suicide-prevention contingencies, and no legal appeal or counsel provisions.

3. The author frames "shielding" as separating "high-risk" people (older adults and those with underlying conditions) into "green zones" at household, neighborhood, or camp/sector level, with the camp/sector tier housing up to 50 people per zone with no movement in or out — which the article directly calls "what used to be concentration camps."

4. The article asserts this was "undoubtedly planned to be permanent and nationwide if not worldwide" before being "dialed back".

https://brownstone.org/articles/the-cdc-planned-quarantine-camps-nationwide/

I guaranty you, if there hadn't been pushback from the wingnut conspiracy types, they would have put the unvaccinated in camps and we'd still be pulling out our WHO vaccine passports to get on a flight.

19 minutes ago, johng said:

Don't be so sure.

He's trolling you guys, man.

2 hours ago, save the frogs said:

An event like Covid will never occur again in our lifetimes.

I suppose you can hold a grudge forever. But you are psychologically ensnaring yourself and this is no doubt degrading your own mental health. What are you planning to do? Every time someone dies "a suspicious death", link it back to Covid and say "See, I told ya so!" .

You can't prove nothing anyway. You're just chasing the bogeyman.

you're riight . covid and the conditions of the world are just topics. If you haven't noticed... i rarely post on this or any forum . Once in a while i have a little time to waste and creating a post without stupid AI gives my brain some exercise . I am sorry you read so much into my occasional posts. yes. many times on covid but i try to blend some humor along with some opinions. Try not to take it too seriously . I know i should spend more time arguing with others here about inane subjects like so many do... but nah, not really my style.

See ya next time . always good to hear your judgements about my psychological conditions that you amazingly can come by so easily. Thanks, froggy !

2 hours ago, rumak said:

See ya next time . always good to hear your judgements about my psychological conditions that you amazingly can come by so easily. Thanks, froggy !

I should apologize for that.

And I do appreciate that you are not using ChatGPT to generate your posts.

6 hours ago, rumak said:

So.......... if the Wartime President had to make life or death decisions under treacherous conditions ..... then surely those who we now "hate" for believing, or being played or payed , no matter which side , should be granted the same leniency for the acts they committed. No ?

I don't think it is comparable. To me, the plebs who morphed into cheerleaders for authoritarianism (thereby validating Milgram's experiment) deserve nothing but contempt.

A wartime President has to go for the least damaging option. Those jabs were coming to people's arms no matter what (apart from the minority which was already equipped to withstand the onslaught).

12 hours ago, rumak said:

This is arguably the closest thing to an implicit retraction. Putting RFK Jr. — the single most prominent vaccine skeptic in American politics — in charge of HHS with a mandate to investigate the vaccine-autism link is not something you do if you're still standing behind your 2021 Pfizer cheerleading. Actions over words.

Speaking of which, Poul Thorsen, the author of the much-quoted fabricated study concluding that "there no link between the MMR vaccine and autism" (a slogan bleated incessantly by our own cohort of Faithful Believers here on AN) has just pleaded guilty to a massive fraud involving the misappropriation of over $1 million in CDC grants. Well I never! The Science™ and its stakeholders are corrupt? Only a conspiracy theorist would say that!

Edited September 3Sep 3 by rattlesnake

12 hours ago, rumak said:

And no, he's never owned up to it or walked it back. He memory-holed it and moved on. Whether that's political savvy or cowardice depends on how generous you want to be — but the people who trusted him and got injured don't get to memory-hole their outcomes.

Back then, the worldwide psychosis was so strong and all-encompassing that I doubt Trump's words made any difference. As a staunch supporter since 2016, I never took the vaccine. But I know other Trump supporters who did, and they would have taken it regardless of what he said. If you had the strength and fortitude to resist the biggest psy-op in history, you weren't going to change your stance based on a couple of brief statements buried in a long interview or speech (though the anti-Trump substackers zoomed in on them and turned them into slogans).

These statements were, however, used to fuel a fierce anti-Trump operation backed by globalists infiltrating 'conspiracist' groups. This happened back in 2022 before the midterms – the good old days when the puppet DeSantis was being touted as Trump's replacement.

You most probably remember our conversations back in those days, and the talking points around "Mr Warp Speed the Orange Pharma Shill": Trump was the traitor who was going to facilitate the Global WHO Pandemic Treaty, jab us and our babies to oblivion with Bill Gates' money and chain us to the shackles of digital currency.

So in retrospect, what actually happened?

What Trump says and does at a given moment should never be taken at face value. The only thing that matters is the result, which (as politics is a long game) materialises several years down the line. I think this principle is worth bearing in mind with regard to the current talking points used against Trump.

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1 hour ago, rattlesnake said:

So.......... if the Wartime President had to make life or death decisions under treacherous conditions ..... then surely those who we now "hate" for believing, or being played or payed , no matter which side , should be granted the same leniency for the acts they committed. No ?

I don't think it is comparable. To me, the plebs who morphed into cheerleaders for authoritarianism (thereby validating Milgram's experiment) deserve nothing but contempt.

The plebs or the entertainment hyperclass, I should add. Dolly Parton, Bruce Springsteen and Arnold Schwarzenegger didn't do Warp Speed, they just did what they had to do to keep their paychecks, it's not the same thing.

4 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Arnold Schwarzenegger

I was particularly disappointed with Arnold

(f**k your freedoms) and Bon Jovi (it's my life)

Arnold did kind of do a 'mea culpa' in an episode of his last TV show 'FUBAR' so I nearly almost forgave him ... but well

.. not quite redeemed.

1 hour ago, rattlesnake said:

The plebs or the entertainment hyperclass, I should add. Dolly Parton, Bruce Springsteen and Arnold Schwarzenegger didn't do Warp Speed, they just did what they had to do to keep their paychecks, it's not the same thing.

Lookie here! It appears that Jess Grossman was one of the card carrying plebs….or should I say “gestapo”.

“So I did what you were supposed to do. I spent weeks – no, months – without stepping foot outside my condo’s door. We wiped all our groceries. We dumped all our takeout orders into our own Tupperware.We ordered everything we needed online. I got my 3 doses of Pfizer, (even after a severe allergic reaction to the first and a recommendation from an allergist to not to receive anymore doses). I was going to play my part in stopping the spread, slowing the curve, and protecting myself.”

“Once we’re officially negative, we’ll go back to living our lives as we had – maybe with some adjustments. We’re still going to mask, and probably still wipe our groceries. And to be honest, it’s way more convenient to eat takeout in your own Tupperware because it makes saving the leftovers so much easier!

And while you can still get reinfected after having COVID, they say that it’s usually not for at least 3 months after having it – at least, as long as it’s the same variant.  So we’ve decided that we’re going to use this little bit of immunity to try and enjoy the summers we’ve lost over the last 2 years. We still prefer the couch and Netflix, but it will be nice to not have to worry to the same degree as we had been, at least for a little bit.

Thanks to the vaccine and some unbelievable luck, I am ok. I just hope it stays that way. 

Stay safe out there, everyone.”

From “Thin Red Lined” by Jessica Grossman

https://uncoverostomy.org/2022/06/09/thin-red-lined/

Karma!

5 hours ago, Airalee said:

Lookie here! It appears that Jess Grossman was one of the card carrying plebs….or should I say “gestapo”.

[…]

"Thanks to the vaccine and some unbelievable luck, I am ok. I just hope it stays that way". 

Edited September 3Sep 3 by rattlesnake

13 hours ago, johng said:

I was particularly disappointed with Arnold

(f**k your freedoms) and Bon Jovi (it's my life)

Arnold did kind of do a 'mea culpa' in an episode of his last TV show 'FUBAR' so I nearly almost forgave him ... but well

.. not quite redeemed.

Don't forgive any of them. They are meaningless people anyway.

Better off without them.

8 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

A lot of people have cancer.

A lot of people had cancer long before the Covid vaccine ever existed.

You haven't proven anything.

Edited September 4Sep 4 by save the frogs

Dr William Makis - who wrote the lead-article of the current thread - has seen hundreds if not thousands of suddenly appearing and quickly developing cancer cases in people that took the 'safe and effective' mRNA jab.

Source: https://makisw.substack.com/p/news-when-cancer-hits-home-46-year

Oncologists and thousands of other COVID-19 Vaccinated doctors are now getting Turbo Cancer.
Here, yet another young Oncologist from Arizona, Dr. Rachna Shroff, has been diagnosed with cancer.
Of course, almost none of these doctors link their cancer to the contaminated COVID-19 Vaccines they took a few years earlier. None of them would know what "Turbo Cancer" is, or how it may arise.
They trusted a medical establishment riddled with fraud, corruption and lies, and many will pay for that misplaced trust with their lives.
They were first in line to take the contaminated, cancer causing injections, and then pushed them on their vulnerable cancer patients.
This is a lose lose situation for everyone.
Well, except for Pfizer and Moderna shareholders.
They did OK and they'll make even more money from their new "Oncology portfolio".

= = =

Edited September 4Sep 4 by Red Phoenix

14 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Dr William Makis - who wrote the lead-article of the current thread - has seen hundreds if not thousands of suddenly appearing and quickly developing cancer cases in people that took the 'safe and effective' mRNA jab.

Source: https://makisw.substack.com/p/news-when-cancer-hits-home-46-year

Oncologists and thousands of other COVID-19 Vaccinated doctors are now getting Turbo Cancer.
Here, yet another young Oncologist from Arizona, Dr. Rachna Shroff, has been diagnosed with cancer.
Of course, almost none of these doctors link their cancer to the contaminated COVID-19 Vaccines they took a few years earlier. None of them would know what "Turbo Cancer" is, or how it may arise.
They trusted a medical establishment riddled with fraud, corruption and lies, and many will pay for that misplaced trust with their lives.
They were first in line to take the contaminated, cancer causing injections, and then pushed them on their vulnerable cancer patients.
This is a lose lose situation for everyone.
Well, except for Pfizer and Moderna shareholders.
They did OK and they'll make even more money from their new "Oncology portfolio".

= = =

Why do many controversial experts

On 9/1/2026 at 4:08 PM, Red Phoenix said:

Source: https://makisw.substack.com/p/breaking-news-36-year-old-toronto

In Apr.2021 she had her 1st Pfizer COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine and reacted within first 3 minutes.
In Nov.2025 she was diagnosed with Rectal Cancer which rapidly spread to Stage 4
Her 6 cycles of MFOLFOX6 chemo and 25 rounds of radiation didn't work.
She was deemed operable, but while her mainstream Oncologists fumbled, this happened:
"My tumor has spread way too far and she can no longer operate"

Listen, I've seen this happen thousands of times now, to the point where it becomes painful to watch yet another trainwreck tragedy unfold.
1. As a Crohn's Disease patient, Jess should have NEVER been given any COVID-19 Vaccine
2. Once diagnosed with Cancer, she should have been presumed to have mRNA Induced Turbo Cancer
3. With mRNA Induced Turbo Cancer, if you can operate, you operate immediately, you DO NOT WAIT.
4. mRNA Induced Turbo Cancers usually don't respond to chemo or radiation, her doctors should have recognized this IMMEDIATELY.

I can honestly end the careers of every doctor involved in Jess Grossman's tragic case.
Learn from these sad cases. There are thousands of them. They happen daily.

Jess can't believe what's happened to her and she sees that she is a victim of the Canadian healthcare system.
But it's much, much worse than that.

It isn't the 3 months that she was without any cancer treatment while her doctors fumbled her care.
She is a victim of her own doctors since 2021.
They did this to her...with the very first Pfizer injection she never should have gotten.

22 Apr.2021: COVID-19 Vaccine: What's the worst that can happen?

Answer: Untreatable Stage 4 Cancer.

You can watch her heart-breaking video-statement at same link > https://makisw.substack.com/p/breaking-news-36-year-old-toronto

Why do so many controversial articles mostly appear on substack?

Edited September 4Sep 4 by msbkk

1 hour ago, msbkk said:

Why do many controversial experts

Why do so many controversial articles mostly appear on substack?

Because it was - and to a large degree still is - one of the only on-line publications, that provides uncensored freedom of speech to those making use of the platform. So it became a natural heaven for those with controversial or inconvenient views, which were censored or banned by the pharma- and vested interests bought legacy fora like Facebook. Most of those writing on substack, initally did not have enough clout or funds for having their own on-line publication, so substack was the way to go to present their message and build following.

20 hours ago, johng said:

I was particularly disappointed with Arnold

(f**k your freedoms) and Bon Jovi (it's my life)

Arnold did kind of do a 'mea culpa' in an episode of his last TV show 'FUBAR' so I nearly almost forgave him ... but well

.. not quite redeemed.

The people in control of their careers told them - say the words or we'll come after you and your money.

That's how deals with the devil work.

41 minutes ago, Tourist2 said:

The people in control of their careers told them - say the words or we'll come after you and your money.

That's how deals with the devil work.

And if you still will not comply, we will really take you down.

John Lennon.

JFK

Issac Kappy

Brandy Vaughan

Jeff Bradstreet

Princess Di

Jim Morrison

etc.

42 minutes ago, Tourist2 said:

The people in control of their careers told them - say the words

I can well imagine that many would have been 'coerced' but the

2 I mentioned already had made their fame and fortunes and were on the down slope career wise..I think they actually fell for the propaganda as did many others.

Big shout out to 'Right said Fred' who made a stand during the Covidiocy.

What'a song 🤣 still makes me laugh all these years later.

45 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

And if you still will not comply, we will really take you down.

John Lennon.

JFK

Issac Kappy

Brandy Vaughan

Jeff Bradstreet

Princess Di

Jim Morrison

etc.

Dang man. And I thought I was a wingnut conspiracy guy...

You forgot the Clinton list and Boeing guys.

7 hours ago, save the frogs said:

A lot of people have cancer.

Especially since 2022.

7 hours ago, save the frogs said:

A lot of people had cancer long before the Covid vaccine ever existed.

You haven't proven anything.

It always boils down to the same principle: either you are able and willing to look at the facts dispassionately and objectively, or you are not:

On 9/3/2026 at 12:11 AM, rattlesnake said:

...as he was being destroyed by the plebs (including me) who had made him rich and suddenly realised just what a disgusting globalist propaganda mouthpiece he really is...

I truly wish there was a jab to help people get over themselves.

10 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

I truly wish there was a jab to help people get over themselves.

In the entertainment world, the audience ultimately calls the shots. That's just the way it works. Tenacious D (the band in question here) have been inactive since 2024 due to the backlash their stances have caused. Well deserved.

2 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

In the entertainment world, the audience ultimately calls the shots. That's just the way it works. Tenacious D (the band in question here) have been inactive since 2024 due to the backlash their stances have caused. Well deserved.

A comedy rock band bites the bullet. It's not as if they were ever going to be Rock & Roll Hall of Fame contenders. Maybe the 'backlash' is more about comments related to events at Butler Farm and bugger all to do with a puerile video from 3 years earlier?

On 9/3/2026 at 10:36 AM, save the frogs said:

An event like Covid will never occur again in our lifetimes.

I suppose you can hold a grudge forever. But you are psychologically ensnaring yourself and this is no doubt degrading your own mental health. What are you planning to do? Every time someone dies "a suspicious death", link it back to Covid and say "See, I told ya so!" .

You can't prove nothing anyway. You're just chasing the bogeyman.

I think he is venting and it was a terrible period. On this forum it got real strange and you weren't even allowed to question vaccines at times. Most the the fools that made communication impossible are gone but that angry vaccine herd was despicable. Now I'm venting :)

8 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

A comedy rock band bites the bullet. It's not as if they were ever going to be Rock & Roll Hall of Fame contenders. Maybe the 'backlash' is more about comments related to events at Butler Farm and bugger all to do with a puerile video from 3 years earlier?

They've sold over 2 million records and are influential, especially Jack Black.

The Australian incident (during which Gass expressed regret on stage that Trump's assassination had failed) sealed their fate and was much more consequential, but as I said, he got destroyed in the thousands of comments under the video of his pathetic Ramones cover, which is why he deactivated them.

Edited September 4Sep 4 by rattlesnake

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