8 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Who is dead because of the vax? A post on X doesn't prove anything. Anyone can post anything.

You guys have monopolized the "vaccine fear-mongering" corner of the forum.

Gamma Globulin is starting to monopolized the "AI will kill us all" corner of the forum.

Everyone on the forum will soon need Prozac with all the doom and gloom on here.

Who cares why she’s dead? I sure don’t.

She pushed the vax. Now she’s dead.

Don’t harsh my buzz.

1 minute ago, Airalee said:

She pushed the vax. Now she’s dead.

You guys keep pushing your BS on here.

No one will stop you.

9 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

The autopsy showed a ruptured spleen and the body tested positive for the measles virus. The death was classified as measles associated. A little research shows that:

After the public backlash, yes. Initially, it was presented as "a measles death because of RFK and his antivaxxer supporters". The Science™ rewrites history as it goes. In fact, there is an accepted slogan for this process: "Moving at the speed of science".

Edited Monday at 11:53 AM4 days by rattlesnake
Typo.

37 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

You guys keep pushing your BS on here.

No one will stop you.

What BS am I pushing? I linked to the article she wrote.

She sure did love her vaccine.

If she was hit by a bus, I’d be ok with that too.

I know…I know….i’m such a horrible meanie. An awful person. Others here have told me that in the past. 🥱

Some of them are dead now.

Yay!

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

A tumor is the body protecting itself by isolating toxic material. This material, that if let loose, could make sick, maim or kill the body.

And tumors, if left unchecked, don't eventually kill people?

More quackery from the king of quackery.

Once again, there is published research that mRNA tech is making progress towards reducing cancer. But you quacks want to keep dismissing this research because why? Then you might need to retire from your vaccine conspiracy gig and find a real job?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39798545/

The development of mRNA vaccines represents a significant advancement in cancer treatment, with more than 120 clinical trials to date demonstrating their potential across various malignancies, including lung, breast, prostate, melanoma, and more challenging cancers such as pancreatic and brain tumors.

Just now, Airalee said:

If she was hit by a bus, I’d be ok with that too.

Thousands of people die in car accidents every year.

It's very unfortunate, but it's impossible to solve this problem as cars are necessary.

People die of cancer every year too.

Moderna claims to have made progress in trials (linked in my previous post).

What solutions have you come up with?

What have you done to help anyone with cancer lately?

Your quack friend blames vaccines on all cancer or some other nonsensical theories that doesn't help anyone.

Edited Monday at 12:35 PM4 days by save the frogs

1 hour ago, farang51 said:

I explained why the flu numbers dropped back when we did those things.

But why did 'Covid' numbers not drop just 'Flu' ???

15 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Your quack friend blames vaccines on all cancer or some other nonsensical theories that doesn't help anyone.

here I'll repost something that got removed and a warning for me during the start of 'Covidiocy'

6 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

And tumors, if left unchecked, don't eventually kill people?

More quackery from the king of quackery.

Once again, there is published research that mRNA tech is making progress towards reducing cancer. But you quacks want to keep dismissing this research because why? Then you might need to retire from your vaccine conspiracy gig and find a real job?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39798545/

The development of mRNA vaccines represents a significant advancement in cancer treatment, with more than 120 clinical trials to date demonstrating their potential across various malignancies, including lung, breast, prostate, melanoma, and more challenging cancers such as pancreatic and brain tumors.

There are two sides to the health coin Sir.

One is the body itself. Its overall strength. Its vitality. Its ability to maintain health. Its ability to deal with undesirables in real time. This last point is important 'cause of what happens if it can't? We will return to this shorty.

The other side of the coin are the undesirables that we come into contact with. They can be in the air we breathe, The fluids we drink. The food we eat. The entities that get onto our skin. And EMFs that disrupt our balanced bioelectrical system.

We are constantly bombarded with these undesirables. However, providing they are not too potent, too toxic, or too long in coming, our bodies, if in good order, can deal with them in real time. It they can't, then the body will coat them and tuck them away out of harm's way. Tumors. Often they will go unnoticed; maybe for years. Whether they will cause problems down the line is uncertain. That depends on many different factors. Very individual.

If you would like to know more, I can write an essay on the cancer topic. But an essay will only scratch the surface of a subject that could easily fill a book.

Terrain is nature. Nature is us.

5 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Whether they will cause problems down the line is uncertain. That depends on many different factors. Very individual.

But they very often do. That's the point.

And turning this into intellectual masturbation to prove that you're smarter than me isn't going to fix that.

If anyone is likely to fix it, it's more likely Moderna than you. Because Moderna has billions of dollars at its disposal to try to solve the problem.

13 minutes ago, johng said:

here I'll repost something that got removed and a warning for me during the start of 'Covidiocy'

Is this the linkSir?

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=Alice+Krippen&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:384ba7f0,vid:CxrOjRpouAs,st:0

39 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

But they very often do. That's the point.

And turning this into intellectual masturbation to prove that you're smarter than me isn't going to fix that.

If anyone is likely to fix it, it's more likely Moderna than you. Because Moderna has billions of dollars at its disposal to try to solve the problem.

One of the problems with forums is that there is often so much to say, and it can't be. Too much, and the members just skip through. Too little and the basic points are not fully explained. An essay at least pads it all out more fully.

Your position is unknows to me. I have read your posts and I reckon you are a fence-sitter. Nowt wring with being 'middle of the road'. My guess is that you could be persuaded to do some research.

I don't agree about Moderna Sir. they may have more $$$ but they are morally bankrupt. My view point had far more going for it than a firm that is just out to make money; on the backs of the sick and fearful.

My aim is simple. Educate where I can. Protect babes and toddlers best I can. Get people to think.

A giant oak tree was once an acorn that stood its ground.

3 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Cancer has been discussed in depth on this forum

When one side has zero evidence, only denial, is it still called a discussion?

2 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

In fact, there is an accepted slogan for this process: "Moving at the speed of science"

Does that silly explanation come from the same religious sect that you're convinced has perverted science to use the heliocentric model of the solar system?

15 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

My guess is that you could be persuaded to do some research.

@johng ... by 'research' he really means go find comfort by searching for confirming nonsense.

2 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

After the public backlash, yes. Initially, it was presented as "a measles death because of RFK and his antivaxxer supporters"

Do you supplement your earnings from producing fiction by performing as a mentalist that can read the minds of people you never met? It's a good trick but I don't think you have the moxie to pull it off.

3 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I've not had the flu or even a cold since I caught COVID 2x.

That's five years without so much as a runny nose.

Maybe COVID was, in fact, a viral cure for the flu/colds.

Rebranded cold / flu.

Funny how the big corporates did a practice run through with John Hopkins University literally a few months before..

the 'rEaL' event

they even put it up on youtube for posterity:

5,055,177 views 4 Nov 2019

Selected moments from the Event 201 pandemic tabletop exercise hosted by The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in partnership with the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation on October 18, 2019, in New York, NY.
The exercise illustrated the pandemic preparedness efforts needed to diminish the large-scale economic and societal consequences of a severe pandemic. Drawing from actual events, Event 201 identifies important policy issues and preparedness challenges that could be solved with sufficient political will and attention. These issues were designed in a narrative to engage and educate the participants and the audience. For more information, visit:
http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.or...

EVENT 201 IS A FICTIONAL EXERCISE AND DISEASE This training tabletop exercise is based on a fictional scenario. The inputs experts used for modeling the potential impact were fictional. It is a teaching and training resource for public health and government officials.

4 hours ago, farang51 said:

I guess you are trying to find explanations all the wrong places - or that folks in these places are tired of trying to respond to the anti vaccine crowd. But OK, I will try this one time since it is not the first time we are presented for those images:

The things that worked to stop the spreading of covid, like washing hands, keeping distance, wearing masks, and staying at home also works to stop the flue. It is a very logical and very simply to understand fact, and things gets even more easy to understand when you consider that the flu is much less contagious than covid was back then.

Ok Boomer - gotcha 👍🏿

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Edited Monday at 02:58 PM4 days by Tourist2

2 hours ago, johng said:

But why did 'Covid' numbers not drop just 'Flu' ???

It couldn't drop as it hadn't been there before. Besides, did you read the earlier answer? That one explains the discrepancy.

11 minutes ago, Tourist2 said:

Ok Boomer - gotcha 👍🏿

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How mature. I can see that I am trying to bring real arguments to a debate with people that are resistant to facts; and some of you guys are on a totally different level.

Maybe I should have tried with: There were no covid or restrictions, it is all in your imagination because of something the governments put in the water.

4 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

Does that silly explanation come from the same religious sect that you're convinced has perverted science to use the heliocentric model of the solar system?

It comes from Janine Small, Pfizer’s President of International Developed Markets, during a hearing before the European Parliament's Special Committee on the COVID-19 pandemic. She essentially admitted that Pfizer actually had no idea whether the vaccine prevented transmission when it was launched and subsequently mandated across the entire world. I did love her honest use of the word 'market', which is self-explanatory. Anyone who thinks these people are here to help us is a complete fool.

"Regarding the question around, did we know about stopping immunization [transmission] before it entered the market? No. ... We had to really move at the speed of science to understand what is taking place in the market."

4 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

Do you supplement your earnings from producing fiction by performing as a mentalist that can read the minds of people you never met? It's a good trick but I don't think you have the moxie to pull it off.

It's much more straightforward than that. All I need to do is read the media's coverage, and as I don't have the memory of a goldfish, I still remember what they said a few days later when they revise their official version.

One example below. One of the "two unvaccinated people" was in fact a baby who died of a ruptured spleen and was too young to be vaccinated anyway. But no, NBC are not dishonest at all and they absolutely don't have an agenda…

During Tuesday’s media briefing, Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro said Kennedy had called him to offer resources to assist in the outbreak response. Shapiro said he declined the offer. “I was very, very blunt with him, and I made very clear that his actions and the rhetoric that’s coming from this administration are having a negative impact on communities across America, particularly right here in Pennsylvania,” Shapiro said. “There’s real-life consequences to scaring people and not relying on actual doctors and actual medical professionals to provide unbiased information to parents.”

[…]

The grim news comes at a time when more parents than ever are actively avoiding vaccines for their children. During the 2025-26 school year

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/measles-pennsylvania-deaths-two-outbreak-rfk-jr-rcna594296

Edited Monday at 07:23 PM4 days by rattlesnake

4 hours ago, farang51 said:

I am trying to bring real arguments to a debate with people that are resistant to facts

You may have multi-personality disorder

6 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

It's much more straightforward than that. All I need to do is read the media's coverage, and as I don't have the memory of a goldfish, I still remember what they said a few days later when they revise their official version.

One example below. One of the "two unvaccinated people" was in fact a baby who died of a ruptured spleen and was too young to be vaccinated anyway. But no, NBC are not dishonest at all and they absolutely don't have an agenda…

For your convenience, here's a copy from your own post. Exactly what phrase in the quoted article was dishonest in your view?

During Tuesday’s media briefing, Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro said Kennedy had called him to offer resources to assist in the outbreak response. Shapiro said he declined the offer. “I was very, very blunt with him, and I made very clear that his actions and the rhetoric that’s coming from this administration are having a negative impact on communities across America, particularly right here in Pennsylvania,” Shapiro said. “There’s real-life consequences to scaring people and not relying on actual doctors and actual medical professionals to provide unbiased information to parents.”

[…]

The grim news comes at a time when more parents than ever are actively avoiding vaccines for their children. During the 2025-26 school year

The baby's mother was unvaccinated, caught the measles, and it's very likely that she infected her fetus. If a pregnant woman catches measles in the two weeks before the birth, infection of the fetus is very probable. Since a typical measles infection is cleared within two weeks, this scenario is almost certainly what occured.

Do you think RFK jr. does not have a history of spreading unfounded fear of the measles vaccine for decades?

Newly revealed documents contradict Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s congressional testimony, showing that his 2019 trip to Samoa was explicitly focused on investigating measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccines.

The 2019 Samoa Trip and Documents

• Congressional Testimony: During his 2025 Senate confirmation hearings to become Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary, RFK Jr. repeatedly claimed his 2019 visit to Samoa had "nothing to do with vaccines".

• Contradictory Letter: Documents released via a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit and reported by The Associated Press and The Guardian revealed a January 2019 letter from Kennedy to Samoa's prime minister.

• Stated Intent: In the letter, Kennedy used the word vaccine or vaccination eight times and proposed having his anti-vaccine organization, Children's Health Defense, study the island's MMR vaccines following the tragic deaths of two infants. (Investigators later found the deaths were caused by a nurse's preparation error, not a manufacturing defect).

Dr William Makis - who wrote the lead-article of the current thread - has seen hundreds if not thousands of suddenly appearing and quickly developing cancer cases in people that took the 'safe and effective' mRNA jab.

Source: https://makisw.substack.com/p/breaking-news-22-year-old-milara

And here dr Makis' comments:

BREAKING NEWS: 22 year old Milara Okabe, competitive figure skater and skating coach from Okotoks, Alberta, was diagnosed with Stage 4 Adenocarcinoma (!!)
Oncologists have to start working up these cases as Turbo Cancers
In 2021 she would have been 17 years old and mandated two COVID-19 Vaccines or she was not allowed to skate or compete or even attend skating rings.
These illegal vaccine mandates were implemented by corrupt Alberta Premier Jason Kenney @jkenney
How do you work up a Turbo Cancer?
Step 1: get a full COVID-19 Vaccine history.
Step 2: determine the aggressiveness of the Turbo Cancer (Ki67 or other staining), sequence the tumor if possible, stain it for spike protein
If Oncologists keep ignoring the phenomenon of COVID-19 Vaccine Induced Turbo Cancer, sooner or later a prominent family will sue their Oncologist and Cancer Center into oblivion for malpractice.
Turbo Cancer patients don’t have time to waste and Oncologists don’t treat these cancers with the urgency they require.

These poor jabbed kids have no idea how they were poisoned by criminals like Alberta Premier Jason Kenney, AHS CEO Verna Yiu, Alberta Public Health Chief Deena Hinshaw, Minister of Health Tyler Shandro and others…

= = =

Everyday there are more and more of these cases and they are coming faster and faster. It will not stop...

21 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Not sure about kids, but to suggest Covid has permanently altered your state of being when you no longer leave the house makes no sense. There's nothing stopping you from spending more time outdoors now.

If the heat was a little less intense, I might spend more time outdoors during the day here.

Staying at home was quite boring? Have you seen some of the latest tech that is being released? GPT Astra can go into software applications and do the work for you. Millions of jobs are on the cusp of disappearing. Staying home ie what happened during Covid, will become more and more normal. It's not good to be forced indoors all day, but you have online resources, books, films, and you can even play video games indoors. Pick up a musical instrument. It's only boring if you make it boring.

I never stated don't go outside the house :) JUst do it less as most do since Covid. The research backs this up.

I'll checkout GPT Astra - sound interesting. I've already created numerous apps using AI for my personal use and always fun to learn something new. I agree that being bored is on me but in the end I was bored :)

22 hours ago, Tourist2 said:

One aim of the coldvid psyop was to atomise communities.
Old school divide to conquer.

No one inc the AN resident health Egg Spurt can explain the facts - they just wave the stats away (1st graphic below is based on US CDC numbers) as 'conspiracy theory'.
Absolute clowns.
The ones who went full stasi should never be trusted again.
Lickspittle cowards

Everybody was fudging numbers during Covid.

That graphic is the perfect example :) It used estimates based on confirmed cases for 2016-2020 and then during Covid switched to actual confirmed Flu cases which is dishonest. It is like comparing an ant to an elephant. They aren't even remotely similar.

Below is an accurate table. Still a huge drop in Flu cases. Been many explanations for the drop and TBH, I'm not sure. So many lies and half truths.

Edited Tuesday at 07:57 AM3 days by atpeace

21 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I've not had the flu or even a cold since I caught COVID 2x.

That's five years without so much as a runny nose.

Maybe COVID was, in fact, a viral cure for the flu/colds.

Same here and was chronically sick the prior decade because of sinus issues and damaged lungs from an accident. I went from having at least 3 serious infections a year to having none for the past 2 years and my lungs are now 100%.

I got the jab but getting Covid was an awful experience. Remember thinking, what was the point.

33 minutes ago, atpeace said:

Everybody was fudging numbers during Covid.

That graphic is the perfect example :) It used estimates based on confirmed cases for 2016-2020 and then during Covid switched to actual confirmed Flu cases which is dishonest. It is like comparing an ant to an elephant. They aren't even remotely similar.

Below is an accurate table. Still a huge drop in Flu cases. Been many explanations for the drop and TBH, I'm not sure. So many lies and half truths.

In the UK; loads of deaths due to covid were old 'uns in care homes and hospices who were put down any which way. With a little help from white-coats, midazolam and morphine. Some of the elderly died from a broken heart when they were locked away from their families.

Matt Hancock ordered plenty of the killer Midazolam before the pandemic was even announced.

18 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Is this the linkSir?

The image was a still shot from the movie

'I am legend'

Dr Alice Krippen (Fauci)

claims to have found a cure (vaccine) for cancer which is hastily rushed out / eagerly accepted.... but turns most of the worlds population into hyper maniac berserker night crawlers ....only Will Smith and his trusty dog can save the day 😋

At the height of the Covidiocy some of the parallels were stark.

Edited Tuesday at 08:46 AM3 days by johng

10 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

In the UK; loads of deaths due to covid were old 'uns in care homes and hospices who were put down any which way. With a little help from white-coats, midazolam and morphine. Some of the elderly died from a broken heart when they were locked away from their families.

Matt Hancock ordered plenty of the killer Midazolam before the pandemic was even announced.

We will probably never know how many actually died. In America, hospitals had different incentives than China. Funny how incentives determine "reported" outcomes.

6 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

For your convenience, here's a copy from your own post. Exactly what phrase in the quoted article was dishonest in your view?

In the context of the article referred to, it is blatant dishonesty and you know it.

Let's ask for Gemini's take on my initial statement, shall we?

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Query:
Is the following statement accurate, regarding the media's portrayal of the baby who died of a ruptured spleen in Pennsylvania?

"Initially, it was presented as "a measles death because of RFK and his antivaxxer supporters."

Answer:
Yes, the media initially presented the story heavily tied to RFK Jr. and his anti-vaccine platform because Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro chose to frame it that way.

When the state health department first announced the two "measles-associated deaths," Governor Shapiro explicitly used the moment to publicly criticize Robert F. Kennedy Jr., stating that there are "real-life consequences to spreading misinformation" and linking the tragedy to anti-vaccine rhetoric [abcnews.com, nx-s1-5946842]. Because the governor directly injected this political angle into the initial announcement, major news outlets naturally followed suit, framing their first wave of headlines and coverage around the clash between the governor's office and RFK Jr. [abcnews.com, nx-s1-5946842, vaccine-misinformation-rfk-jr-measles-deaths-pennsylvania].

Edited Tuesday at 09:03 AM3 days by rattlesnake