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Three UK jobs to Thailand: 'I finally have a life'

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9 hours ago, ronster said:

Sounds more like she saved money up , possibly sold her car and is basically on holiday for a year until cash runs out or picks up some job.

Must be about the 5th person I have seen saying they are an online fitness coach 🙄

Actually, I can't get my head around being an 'online fitness coach'! What do they actually do? Shout encouragement over Zoom as you struggle to do some pull-ups?

Call me a stingy git, but I won't be paying her to encourage me to do pull-ups. Sitting on my face is another matter though. (Sorry Mods! I'm not sure why I made that comment - must be still thinking of Chiang Mai beach...)

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8 hours ago, geisha said:

Wow, so much negativity. If the story is true, good luck to her. Hard working, not stupid, probably has her head screwed on right. Why not try life instead of dreaming? I left a very happy home not even 17, traveling, always found jobs , enjoyed myself. Saw a big part of the world. Have had a wonderful career in south of France and now a good retirement. Still traveling and still loving Thailand. From 4 months a year I now am down to 2 +, but visiting EU countries that were always “too near” for me as well. When you work hard you can get on in life, although today is certainly more difficult than the 70s which was a fantastic part of my adventures, go for it I say, enjoy. Just because she’s a young lady doesn’t make her incapable.

Not really negativity but reality as I lived up north for years and am very well aware that the smoke is a big time problem for many people. I salute her for giving it a shot to change her life but always a good idea to be aware of potential challenges and plan ahead. Maybe 8 months CM and 4 months somewhere that you can't cut the air/smoke with a knife?

6 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

True story. The fascinating thing about 7/11 here is that it was designed on a very intelligent model ,where items are just slightly higher than they would be in a grocery store, and it makes picking up a few items there very convenient for many. In America 7/11 is a completely different model the prices are double what you pay elsewhere and I very rarely ever use them for anything other than an occasional lotto ticket.

Standing in line at a local convenience store in southern usa to buy a lottery ticket...bags of m and m's, peanuts, snacks, and similar all lined the checkout wait line. Smallish bags....average price ? about 3.99 usd. I love the fact that 7's all over thailand have an entire wall of various snacks for 10-20 thb....it's a different world.

If i remember correctly the 7's in thailand were started by an american named bill meinke? who I think still owns a big chunk of them and is a very wealthy guy. I remember once asking one of my thai exes why Thais went to the 7 in her village when there were dozens of mom and pop stores everywhere.

She said that when 7's opened they were not only a nice a/c store with big fresh selection but also 7 would always give you change for 500/1000 baht with no hassles even if you bought a 10 baht gum...the mom and pops rarely would have change for more than 100 baht so 7s were not only a store but semi served as a bank of sorts. Apparentley still makes sense as just about every village in Thailand has one or more 7's and far as i can tell easily getting change is never a problem but more a feature.

bill hencike is the american i was trying to remember...per google he did very very well but no mention of him being involved in 7 11....he owns lots of companies and hotels and even got thai citizenship and is likely the american that has and does make more $$ in thailand than any other american.

12 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

I travel back and forth to America two or three times a year and I can tell you first hand that the cost of living back there has written so dramatically and inflation continues to rage unabated. The official government Trumpflation figures are totally fake, and it's likely between 10 and 15% annually. I often wonder how the average person gets by and I know people making well over $100k a year that are struggling. Unless you own a home free and clear things can be quite difficult back there. If you're trying to buy a house now or if you're renting it's quite a challenge.

Could you please provide some data to support your claim?

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10 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

What visa is she on????

The TikTok gym bimbo visa of course.

12 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

The official government Trumpflation figures are totally fake, and it's likely between 10 and 15% annually. I often wonder how the average person gets by and I know people making well over $100k a year that are struggling. Unless you own a home free and clear things can be quite difficult back there. If you're trying to buy a house now or if you're renting it's quite a challenge.

I have a very close friend who lives in Burbank which is a nice section of Los Angeles but he pays $2,600 a month for a 65 sm. apartment. Plus electric, gas, water, and internet.

The cost of groceries is now $100 for a small bag and if you have to engage anyone to perform any labor task it's typically $100 an hour and up.

While we certainly seen inflation in Thailand it's my niscule compared to America and Europe and the cost of living here remains quite reasonable and many of us are very thankful for that. Where I really see the difference here is labor. I've recently found somebody to perform repairs, painting, handyman work, and landscape work around our house for 800 baht for an 8-hour day. The work is very good and he's very dependable.

I agree that the quality of life remains quite high here for those of us on a limited income coming from outside the country. Everyday I wake up in this country I feel quite grateful to be away from America and to have found a good life here.

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How can anyone be struggling, earningn 100k a year. Fed tax burden of 15% at the most, Leaves $7k a month income. $200k mortgage @ 7% / 30 yr is <$1,300 a month.

Throw in some more taxes, leaves about $5k a month to live on. If that's not enough, then someone doesn't know how to manage finances.

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13 hours ago, chricha said:

Isn't that's what life's about now. Live on the net, create clickbait, get someone to pay you to advertise so you don't have to work.
Soon no-one will have a job to buy anything so that multi level marketing scheme will fall over as they always do!

Where was it reported that she was involved in an MLM scheme?

9 hours ago, Easterneye said:

Just another airhead , que the...

The irony of that remark!

7 hours ago, Mickboy said:

Sophia Moulson, 23 years old, what about your UK pension when your 80 years old.

She's got more than enough time to sort out her UK state pension and save for a private pension.

1 hour ago, pomchop said:

If i remember correctly the 7's in thailand were started by an american named bill meinke? who I think still owns a big chunk of them

100% wrong. Heineke owns the Minor Group and has never had any connection with 7-Eleven in Thailand.

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12 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

I travel back and forth to America two or three times a year and I can tell you first hand that the cost of living back there has written so dramatically and inflation continues to rage unabated. The official government Trumpflation figures are totally fake, and it's likely between 10 and 15% annually. I often wonder how the average person gets by and I know people making well over $100k a year that are struggling. Unless you own a home free and clear things can be quite difficult back there. If you're trying to buy a house now or if you're renting it's quite a challenge.

I have a very close friend who lives in Burbank which is a nice section of Los Angeles but he pays $2,600 a month for a 65 sm. apartment. Plus electric, gas, water, and internet.

The cost of groceries is now $100 for a small bag and if you have to engage anyone to perform any labor task it's typically $100 an hour and up.

While we certainly seen inflation in Thailand it's my niscule compared to America and Europe and the cost of living here remains quite reasonable and many of us are very thankful for that. Where I really see the difference here is labor. I've recently found somebody to perform repairs, painting, handyman work, and landscape work around our house for 800 baht for an 8-hour day. The work is very good and he's very dependable.

I agree that the quality of life remains quite high here for those of us on a limited income coming from outside the country. Everyday I wake up in this country I feel quite grateful to be away from America and to have found a good life here.

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Don't see where inflation continues to rage. I spend about half the year in the US.

I've seen food costs leveling or coming down. Eggs are no longer above $10. Canned vegetables are back down below a $1

McDonalds has lowered some of their prices along with Wendy's and Burger King.

I can get a McDonald's meal again for $5, Pizza hut, dominos etc all have pizzas available for $8

I was in the Bronx last month, found a pizza place with $1.50 a slice. I expected real small slice, it was nice size only needed one.

yes costs have gone up.. Houses and rents doubled in price between 2020 - 2024. Everything has gone up.

You might not be aware that wages increased too. Think about it, a person at the register at a McDonalds is getting paid $15 an hour.

When I got out of collage that was my starting wage, now that's what someone makes with no education.

Social Security has not been as much, but still got decent increases.

Our installers in 2020 in the US were getting paid $175 a day.

Now our installers in the US are getting paid $275 a day (We pay hotel and meals, still think that's to low for them)

I've seen places offering good pay.

This is Buc ee's , a very large gas station and this place is expanding.

Associate $20-$25 an hr

Team Leader $23-$28 an hr

Dept Manager $33 an hr

Ast General Manager $125K+ a year

General Manager $225 - $300K+

Let's look at the difference between wages in 2019 and today

McDonald’s/fast food was paying about $9.50 in 2019 and they are around $15 today

Walmart entry level was around $11 in 2019 and around $15–$17 today

I'm not saying these people are ahead as they aren't, the increases received just kept up with inflation, which does not include the housing costs or insurance.

Needless to say that housing and insurance increases are the main issue for 90% of the people in the USA.

As for this girl just packing up and moving to Thailand. I do hope she has medical insurance and good auto insurance that will cover her if she has an accident.

I wish her luck and hope she enjoys Thailand has much as I did when I was younger!

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13 hours ago, Alpha84 said:

23 years old, apparently no work permit, no savings, no means of securing a sustainable long term visa and no obvious employable skills in Thailand, but everything is absolutely wonderful and she’s found herself a “better life in paradise.” What could possibly go wrong 6 to 12 months from now?

Another Gen Z digital nomad come "online coach" apparently sustained by little more than an uncertain online hustle and optimism. I’m sure the honeymoon will last forever and there will be absolutely no awkward moment when things turn a bit wobbly.

Still, hopefully that lovely motorbike and, presumably, no expat health insurance never become part of a future GoFundMe campaign.

I suppose we’ll see how rosy it all looks once the high of living in the field of dreams wears off. Perhaps the UK will be waiting patiently in the wings for the inevitable return air ticket.

Good luck with it all... love.

One should not require a work permit to do online work for income earned outside the country.

39 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

100% wrong. Heineke owns the Minor Group and has never had any connection with 7-Eleven in Thailand.

which you would have seen if you had read my next post...bill hencike is the american i was trying to remember...per google he did very very well but no mention of him being involved in 7 11....he owns lots of companies and hotels and even got thai citizenship and is likely the american that has and does make more $$ in thailand than any other american.

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

How can anyone be struggling, earningn 100k a year. Fed tax burden of 15% at the most, Leaves $7k a month income. $200k mortgage @ 7% / 30 yr is <$1,300 a month.

Throw in some more taxes, leaves about $5k a month to live on. If that's not enough, then someone doesn't know how to manage finances.

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It's quite obvious that you are either very wealthy or have not lived in America for a very long time. The federal tax rate would be 22% and you'd have to add in state taxes after that plus social security and other deductions. You'd have to be living in a small town in Arkansas or rural Kentucky to find a house for around $200,000 these days.

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1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

It's quite obvious that you are either very wealthy or have not lived in America for a very long time. The federal tax rate would be 22% and you'd have to add in state taxes after that plus social security and other deductions. You'd have to be living in a small town in Arkansas or rural Kentucky to find a house for around $200,000 these days.

For normal allowances for a single filer, it comes down to ~15%. I was being generous, as that is a single filer.

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Don't forget the $13,935 of tax deductible mortgage interest.

Along with all the other tax deductions I'm not listing.

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Like I said, if you can't live on $4 - 5k a month, something is wrong with you. So many people live on much less.

It's not clearly explained (quite a big ommission) what her online income is derived from, and what sort of income it is - so we can see if it's workable, truth, or nonsense. Secondly as many have said whilst Thailand CAN be cheaper than the west, it isn't that cheap either - and in many cases the costs can build up. A supermarket shop for me with quality food is no different to the UK. Unless you eat raw pork in dishwasher water on a roadside inhaling diesel emissions food isn't cheap.

Furthermore, what's her health insurance costs? What visa is she on?

What about the future - when she decides to settle down and have a family. Will she be placing children into school in Thailand, and what costs will she draw on when she spends close to 800,000 baht a year (or more) for a child to study at a decent school? No urge to get back on the property ladder back in the UK ?

Article says she lived with her family back in the UK, so one can assume she didn't have it that tough with mortgages or rent. Is she recieving any help from her family? Again nothing wrong with that.

There was one girl, another 'influencer wannabe' who travels around Thailand pushing that whole 'it's cheap move to Thailand mantra', on TikTok.. None of her income streams ever made sense to her followers, until she came out that her mother often sends her money to live her 'dreams'. But she was never that open with it originally.

Nothing wrong with saying you have come out for a long holiday.

We see these stories all the time in the UK. They must make for a good click bait for these newspaper, so they are repeated every few month with a new tale of someone who left the UK for a better life in Thailand.

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15 hours ago, chricha said:

Isn't that's what life's about now. Live on the net, create clickbait, get someone to pay you to advertise so you don't have to work.
Soon no-one will have a job to buy anything so that multi level marketing scheme will fall over as they always do!

It's kind of what life has become for younger people. Try to find a way to live on the computer while you prioritize recreation. It has a short life span when you actually need to start paying for getting older.

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The AQ in Chiang Mai continues to improve. The coming winter/spring season will see much better air than even last yr - no need to leave CM.

As for health insurance, it's a scam. Better to put aside a pot of cash and self insure for accidents, surgeries.

Malignant, incurable issues just ride into the sunset.

Good luck to this online entrepreneur 💯%

16 hours ago, riverhigh said:

23 years old!! All credit to her, far more adventurous than I was at that age. She appears to be hard worker, not a grifter. I wish her the best of luck in her future endeavors.

23 and a BMW so she was doing something right.

How does online fitness instructor work ?

I don't quite get the concept. You can go to a gym and get a real life instructor.

The UK needs to address dual citizenship by banning it, if you leave the country then that’s it - lose all access to benefits and your citizenship - and furthermore access to the NHs for those who use it as a fail safe needs to be stopped.

A lot of Americans really struggle to leave because when they go back their insurance will be whacked up.

Of course life is going to be easier when you aren’t working. But trust me boredom steps in soon enough. She will notice her contemporaries getting married, kids, houses and she is sitting eating beef noodles that have been sitting outdoors all day.

37 minutes ago, DonniePeverley said:

How does online fitness instructor work ?

I don't quite get the concept. You can go to a gym and get a real life instructor.

Fit for what? Looking at her photo, she presumably advises her followers on the best places to get burgers and cream buns!

4 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

I believe the point was that the story is unbelievable, much like the photos offered.

To a person who has no knowledge of Thailand, Chiang Mai could very well be a beautiful place on the beach. This is just another story presenting a golden image of the country.

I think most people realize that an uneducated, unskilled person of limited financial means who moves to Thailand is going to have a hard time of it. There are not many income opportunities availble to such people other than questionable activities.

The only thing that is questionable here, is if you live in the past or if you are updated with the opportunities available today? Like it sounds, this 23 year old woman seems to have more knowledge of opportunities than you have. FYI, she might have been running her online business for about 3 years already.

Also, what do you mean with questionable activities? Is that something living in your mind because the old guard sets in. Maybe you can grasp how a work where you don´t lift heavy things or physically sits in an office qualify as a source of income? If so, then you are just 30 years back in time.

While you have been standing still, the rest of the world evolved. You know, many of the jobs that where on location are today on remote basis. Take these for example:

Graphic Designer, Video Editor, Virtual Assistant, Content Creator, Life Coach, Editor/Writer/Press Release, Print on Demand, Podcasting, Selling Digital Products, Drop shipping, Affiliation, Social Media Manager, Developer, SEO/AIO/GEO, Day Trading, Swing Trading.

So if you are running your own business/gig or work remotely there are much that never touch questionable activities. Just because you can´t understand that, it doesn´t make it questionable.

Let´s take some examples, you might find strange, but I know for a fact that millions of people around the world are living a very good and comfortable life doing one or more activities on these websites: Youtube, Fiverr, Upwork, Amazon Kindle, Fine Art America, Cracked, Listverse, Dotdash, Knowledgenuts, Etsy, Merch by Amazon, Neighbor, OfferUp, FluidTruck, Turo, Airbnb and that is just a taste of the online world of opportunities. Time to wake up and live in the right century, man.

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8 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

One should not require a work permit to do online work for income earned outside the country.

To a certain point, I agree, but Thailand’s laws governing foreign workers and work permits have always been quite clear. Thailand’s Foreigners’ Working Management Emergency Decree defines “work” broadly as the use of physical strength or knowledge for an occupation or job, with or without an intention to obtain wages or another benefit.

Whether income from the work is generated in Thailand is not necessarily the determining factor. In general, a foreigner cannot perform work in Thailand without the appropriate authorization.

This means that simply arguing that the income is generated or paid outside Thailand does not, by itself, make the activity permissible. If a foreigner is physically in Thailand and performing an activity that legally constitutes work, the fact that their employer, clients, bank account, or source of income is overseas does not automatically remove the work permit issue.

Volunteer work illustrates the point quite clearly because the absence of payment does not necessarily mean that an activity falls outside the legal definition of “work.” The same broad principle can apply to certain physical work or construction activities on one's own home in Thailand.

So the relevant question is not simply “Where is the income generated?” It is first whether the person is performing work in Thailand and, if so, whether they have the legal authorization required for performing that particular work.

8 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

It's quite obvious that you are either very wealthy or have not lived in America for a very long time. The federal tax rate would be 22% and you'd have to add in state taxes after that plus social security and other deductions. You'd have to be living in a small town in Arkansas or rural Kentucky to find a house for around $200,000 these days.

Hey everyone isn't from California

7 hours ago, Woke to Sounds said:

The AQ in Chiang Mai continues to improve. The coming winter/spring season will see much better air than even last yr - no need to leave CM.

It varries from year to year.

Sometimes the rains come before Songkran and knock it way down.

Last year was not too bad. Why?

Maybe because farmers have been hurting from fertilizer prices in the past few months?

Perhaps less slash and burn to grow crops as the math doesn't work?

So victory I guess on the AQI levels, which just means more people moving to CM in the future. 😄

19 minutes ago, flexomike said:

Hey everyone isn't from California

California is admittedly out of control when it comes to the cost of living, but I have friends and relatives in Florida, Texas, Oregon and many other areas and they've all mentioned how ridiculously expensive life has become in America.

I also have a friend who divides this time between Monaco and London and he recently took a trip to New York and Los Angeles and declared that both of those cities are now more expensive than Monaco and London. Remember the days when Europe used to be more expensive than America? No longer. Part of it is about Trumpflation and part of it is about a broken economy.

1 hour ago, Alpha84 said:

To a certain point, I agree, but Thailand’s laws governing foreign workers and work permits have always been quite clear. Thailand’s Foreigners’ Working Management Emergency Decree defines “work” broadly as the use of physical strength or knowledge for an occupation or job, with or without an intention to obtain wages or another benefit.

Whether income from the work is generated in Thailand is not necessarily the determining factor. In general, a foreigner cannot perform work in Thailand without the appropriate authorization.

This means that simply arguing that the income is generated or paid outside Thailand does not, by itself, make the activity permissible. If a foreigner is physically in Thailand and performing an activity that legally constitutes work, the fact that their employer, clients, bank account, or source of income is overseas does not automatically remove the work permit issue.

Volunteer work illustrates the point quite clearly because the absence of payment does not necessarily mean that an activity falls outside the legal definition of “work.” The same broad principle can apply to certain physical work or construction activities on one's own home in Thailand.

So the relevant question is not simply “Where is the income generated?” It is first whether the person is performing work in Thailand and, if so, whether they have the legal authorization required for performing that particular work.

Sometimes when a law is so ridiculous, and so lacking in practical meaning and functionality, it absolutely must be ignored and it's incumbent upon us to resist the nonsense.

In this particular case if she's teaching online coaching of some sort she is in no way shape or form competing with a single Thai national, or taking any employment or income away from anybody here in Thailand, which is the bedrock of these employment laws that were designed to regulate foreigners, is it not?

Unless these laws are simply meant to be cruel, and punitive in nature.

6 hours ago, DonniePeverley said:

How does online fitness instructor work ?

I don't quite get the concept. You can go to a gym and get a real life instructor.

Not everyone has access to a gym. Not everyone can afford a gym membership. And many people are like me. They HATE gyms! I've not been near one since I left school 62 years ago.

The internet offers many great opportunities to keep oneself fit and healthy, without ever visiting one and this enterprising young lady is tapping into that market, apparently successfully.

I'm a fit and healthy 80 year old now and exercise for over an hour per day. Most of my routines have been learned online.

Good luck to Miss Moulson. I wish her every success. Just steer clear of grumpy old ASEAN NOW posters!

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