The Step Up

[ThaiPauly]

I have been trying to think of current EPL Managers who successfully stepped up from Assistant Manager to Manager.

At present Sammy Lee has managed to take a team that has regularly qualified for Europe into a relegation dogfight within 2 months of taking over there.

Apart from Chris Hutchings at Wigan (who isn't exactly doing that well) can anyone think of anyone who DID make the step up in this league and has /was been successful?

[chavy]

Actually this is a very good question. To be honest I can't think of any assistant managers that have left their position at one club to take up the main role at another. Another bit the dust yesterday at Norwich. I think Peter Grant left West Ham ?? to take over at Norwich but failed miserably

[mrtoad]

Seriously can't thin of any in the present.

The most recent one that stepped up with a great deal of Success would be someone lie Bob Paisley and that was within the same club and a long time ago.

I suppose there are some that are good managers, but not good coaches. Some that are good coaches but not good managers, and others who are good Assistant managers but not so good at being the number 1. And finally there was Mark Hateley , did a good job at Hull didn't he?

[chavy]

Seriously can't thin of any in the present.

The most recent one that stepped up with a great deal of Success would be someone lie Bob Paisley and that was within the same club and a long time ago.

I suppose there are some that are good managers, but not good coaches. Some that are good coaches but not good managers, and others who are good Assistant managers but not so good at being the number 1. And finally there was Mark Hateley , did a good job at Hull didn't he?

A bit like Carlos "the Jackel" Queeroz , Man U - Real Madrid

[EastSaxCol]

I have been trying to think of current EPL Managers who successfully stepped up from Assistant Manager to Manager.

At present Sammy Lee has managed to take a team that has regularly qualified for Europe into a relegation dogfight within 2 months of taking over there.

Apart from Chris Hutchings at Wigan (who isn't exactly doing that well) can anyone think of anyone who DID make the step up in this league and has /was been successful?

Not exactly assist. But when Roeder took over from youth trainer to manager after Harry, we reached the dizzy heights of 7th the next season. Mostly by luck than anything (imo) and riding on the back of some class players. As the season after proved - well that's history now.

I see that Roeder is in the frame as second favourite to take over at QPR. But they've got some dosh now and I'd expect a foreign manager to take the job at some stage. Vialli ?

Although I wouldn't be suprised if someone like him didn't get the Narrwich job ?

[chavy]

I have been trying to think of current EPL Managers who successfully stepped up from Assistant Manager to Manager.

At present Sammy Lee has managed to take a team that has regularly qualified for Europe into a relegation dogfight within 2 months of taking over there.

Apart from Chris Hutchings at Wigan (who isn't exactly doing that well) can anyone think of anyone who DID make the step up in this league and has /was been successful?

Not exactly assist. But when Roeder took over from youth trainer to manager after Harry, we reached the dizzy heights of 7th the next season. Mostly by luck than anything (imo) and riding on the back of some class players. As the season after proved - well that's history now.

I see that Roeder is in the frame as second favourite to take over at QPR. But they've got some dosh now and I'd expect a foreign manager to take the job at some stage. Vialli ?

Although I wouldn't be suprised if someone like him didn't get the Narrwich job ?

Good point actually. Roeder did a good job from youth team to manager at the geordies before the stress of it all got to him.

[muckypups]

Brian Kidd stepped up, but, as this extract from wikipedia suggests.. he wasn't too successful either..

After management posts at Barrow and Preston North End, he was involved in coaching young players before being brought back to Manchester United as a youth team coach by Alex Ferguson in 1988 and played a key role in the development of players such as David Beckham, Paul Scholes and Ryan Giggs. He was soon promoted to Assistant Manager, helping the club to win the League Cup, the Premier League and FA Cup.

He left United to take charge at Blackburn Rovers in December 1998, but the club were relegated and Kidd was dismissed on 3 November 1999 after the side performed poorly in Division One.

Now first team coach at Sheffield United I think..

Also, there's Kidds replacement at Old Trafford, Steve Mclaren.. who didn't do badly at Middlesborough (although I suspect opinions will be divided on his England career.. )

[percy2]

Another could be David O'Leary.

Cheers

[muckypups]

Bob Paisley.. who stepped up after Bill Shankly retired at Liverpool. I believe he was first team coach at the time (?).. he did very well!

ah...just read the OP properly (note to self, don't jump the gun) Current EPL managers.. still this one's for Scousemouse..

Edited October 10, 2007 by muckypups

[mrbojangles]

Stuart Pearce !! Although he got sacked at City, he is now the England U21 Manager. Don't know if that can be construed as successful though

[chavy]

Stuart Pearce !! Although he got sacked at City, he is now the England U21 Manager. Don't know if that can be construed as successful though

No mate sorry. Me & you could do that U21 job sat over here in Soi 8 bar over a few John Smiths

There was a clamering for him to be installed at Forest at the end of last season. Glad it never happened, he did nothing first time round in our hot seat & very little at your lads place.

[mrbojangles]

Stuart Pearce !! Although he got sacked at City, he is now the England U21 Manager. Don't know if that can be construed as successful though

No mate sorry. Me & you could do that U21 job sat over here in Soi 8 bar over a few John Smiths

Yeah i know, i was clasping at straws wasn't i

[ThaiPauly]

Stuart Pearce !! Although he got sacked at City, he is now the England U21 Manager. Don't know if that can be construed as successful though

No mate sorry. Me & you could do that U21 job sat over here in Soi 8 bar over a few John Smiths

Yeah i know, i was clasping at straws wasn't i

What straws were you claping Mr.B?......sorry but no...look at your situation now and be very thankful

yoiu are doing fantstically well with Mr S and Mr T'.although I still have my reservations about the latter

[mrbojangles]

yoiu are doing fantstically well with Mr S and Mr T'.although I still have my reservations about the latter

Nah TP, he's a pillar of the community now

Talking of "failures". Here's one, from the BBC:-

I will not manage again - Keegan

Former England boss Kevin Keegan says he is unlikely to manage a team again.

Keegan, 56, stepped down from his last job as Manchester City manager in March 2005 and now runs interactive football attraction Soccer Circus in Glasgow.

"I don't think it will happen," he told BBC One's Inside Sport. "I think my life has gone in a different direction.

"You never know, I mean I do get offers to go back into football, but I made a decision that I would come and do something different with my life."

He added: "I mean I haven't watched a game of football, I mean live, since my last game at Manchester City and I can't even remember what game that was now."

Keegan went into management after a glorious playing career with, among others, Liverpool and Hamburg, which earned him four league titles, a European Cup, two European Footballer of the Year awards and 63 caps.

He became Newcastle boss in 1992 and spent five rollercoaster years there before spells with Fulham, England and Manchester City.

Keegan was linked with a return to Newcastle in the summer as director of football after lifelong Magpies fan Mike Ashley took control of the club.

Manager Sam Allardyce was reportedly unhappy at the prospect but Keegan says he would never go back to St James' Park in that capacity.

"It's absolutely impossible to give Sam Allardyce a job at Newcastle and then go and fetch someone who is going to be some sort of threat, it doesn't work," said Keegan.

"Sam would be a fool to let it happen and the guy who goes in would be a fool to accept it.

"The chairman, who is not a fool, would be a fool to go and do it, too. It doesn't work."

Keegan, who led Newcastle to second place in the Premier League in 1996, also believes the monopoly Manchester United, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool have had on the top four places is bad for the English game.

He said: "It's very difficult to get into the top four. Why? Because the money they get from being there keeps them away from the others down there.

"So when you are at the smaller clubs or even some of the bigger clubs that aren't in there, it's about how you get in - it's very very difficult, as Newcastle and Man City have found out.

"Everyone says there are the top four and they are one league and then there's another league.

"You have got the people fighting to get in, that's the way I see it, that has been the big change."