Farang Motorcyclists In The Pattaya Area.

[Hssl]

Thai's and Farang's that wear a smack hat but don't do the strap up................................ Ran over one last night after the farang guy hit a bump in the road and the hat landed neatly into the path of my truck............... Crunch!!!

[tropo]

I'm surprised that every time I post, what most sensible and right thinking people know is eminently sensible and correct in this thread, that you make it a personal crusade to attack me.

So Thais don't are too much for culture in Pattaya as it's just a city of "wine women and song" and "the rules don't apply". Have I quoted you correctly this time?

So who are these Thais that don't care? The pimps, whores, transvestites, bar and brothel owners and drug addicts who inhabit the area between Beach and Third Road,( most of whom are not even residents of Chon Buri province, and some not even Thai nationals)?

What about the rest of Pattaya's population? The normal people who go about their normal decent lives in a normal Thai way. Are you sure they think the rules don't apply? Have you asked any lately?

Enjoy yourself on your 'hot' machine, steaming down beach road semi naked, trying to show what a fine specimen of farang manhood you are. The only person you are kidding is yourself.

Let's make this simple and do it in point form:

1. I personally don't ride around shirtless. I wear tank tops or t-shirts with shorts.

2. You claim I'm attacking you, but your posts are full of sarcastic innuendos. Perhaps you should examine your own posting style.

3. There wouldn't be a darkside of Pattaya if not for the "wine, woman and song" on the bright side of town.

4. Farangs and "wine, woman and song" made this town what it is....and now what? Ridicule the very history of this town?

5. Most reasonable Thais who live here know what's going on in Pattaya and accept it.

6. Most of the investment originates from the bars. You know the story: Farang falls in love with a bargirl, buys her a house and lives happily ever after on the darkside of town.

7. Thai culture. Who cares IN PATTAYA.

8. Any farang who gets offended at the sight of shirtless expats/tourists on motorcycles would have to be a prude.

[tropo]

As regards suddenly finding yourself sitting on your ar5e in the middle of the road - can happen anywhere, anytime. Not necessarily through speed, sometimes a little gravel, sometimes water or ice. But there is virtually nothing that can be dne about it - one second you are travelling along quite happily, the next checking all the scrapes on every joint and extremity.

An experienced motorcyclist will always avoid sand and gravel on corners and take extra precautions when the road is wet. I'm always very diligent in watching out for sand or gravel on the road - especially wearing a T-shirt and shorts most of the time.

I was going up though the chicane on Pratamnuk Hill a few weeks ago. It was drizzling very lightly on this day, and it was the first water that had hit the road in a long while. An experienced motorcyclist will know that the first water after a long dry spell will leave the roads as slippery as grease due to months of oil being laid down by vehicles.

This day it was particularly dangerous because the drizzle was so light that it could hardly be noticed on the road. A Thai motorcyclist sped past me with a pillion passenger. I watched him take the first bend. I said to myself, this guy is going to fall because he's leaning over too far. I visualized it happening just seconds before it actually did. Fortunately it was a low speed fall and was probably more embarrassing for the rider than anything else.

Experience was the difference here. I knew to take these bends at about 50% of my usual speed and reduce my lean angle. These young guys didn't have a clue.

[Taz]

What a lot of cobswash. Thai's drive around without shirts on too. You need to get outside Pattaya sometime.

Taz.

I'm afraid you are the one writing the "cobswash" (sic)

I've probably spent more years in Thailand and have been to more places here than you will ever experience or dream about.

A few drunken Thais tearing around shirtless in Issan doesn't make it culturally acceptable and without offence for you to do the same.

Go on - ask some Thai residents (which is probably unlikely as I'm sure you can't speak Thai), or any farang who has lived a few years here and understands a bit about his adopted country, and see what answer you get.

And try going shirtless in a main Bangkok Street and see what happens to you.

You really have a lot to learn, and it is all very sad, because it certainly helps us to understand the hatred so many Thais have for those Pattaya farangs who think they know it all and behave as though they are back in their own backyards and treat this country, it's customs and it's culture with such contempt.

What a load of COBSWASH, What makes you think that I cannot talk Thai and why do you think that you have been in Thailand longer then me? Or are you going by the number of posts and the date that I joined Thai Visa.

So sad to see how many posts you have made. You need to get out more often, not just to stand around on the corner asking Thais stupid questions about shirts.

Pattaya is a tourist destination, people come for the sun and to get a tan, take that away from them and you will have very few tourists.

Next thing your be harping on about is topless sunbathing on the beaches. It is an offence to go topless on a beach in Thailand, Thai law turns a blind eye to this activity regarding tourists. So why are you so jealous about someone enjoying there stay in Thailand? It is not against the law to not wear a shirt in Thailand?

So stick that up your poll. Bloody idiot.

[Mobi]

Let's make this simple and do it in point form:

1. I personally don't ride around shirtless. I wear tank tops or t-shirts with shorts.

2. You claim I'm attacking you, but your posts are full of sarcastic innuendos. Perhaps you should examine your own posting style.

3. There wouldn't be a darkside of Pattaya if not for the "wine, woman and song" on the bright side of town.

4. Farangs and "wine, woman and song" made this town what it is....and now what?

5. Most reasonable Thais who live here know what's going on in Pattaya and accept it.

6. Most of the investment originates from the bars. You know the story: Farang falls in love with a bargirl, buys her a house and lives happily ever after on the darkside of town.

7. Thai culture. Who cares IN PATTAYA.

8. Any farang who gets offended at the sight of shirtless expats/tourists on motorcycles would have to be a prude.

Methinks thou dost protest too much.

"Ridicule the very history of this town?"

What is that supposed to mean?

Sounds like you're getting a mite upset with having to face the truth of the matter which is that you are so off base that all you can do is post insults in the hope that I will give up and go away.

I have yet to meet a single Thai who is not employed in the prostitution/bar business who agrees that what is going on here is acceptable. Indeed, in discussion with a couple of friends is evening they said that even most bar girls deplore the lack of sensitivity exercised by many farangs who go "topless". It is an an offence to the very core of Thai culture and you would know that if you started talking to Thai people in the real world of Thailand rather than the perverted trash you encounter in Walking Street and its environs.

What makes you think you and your farang compatriots are so special that you can arbitrarily designate Pattaya as a special, farang zone, where anything goes and farangs can behave how they like and all the normal rules of acceptable behaviour in a Buddhist country can go by the board and be ignored?

Is it the power of money? or is it the arrogance of the western white man? No wonder they are so hated here.

Talk about "Strangers in a Strange land"!!

Edited February 11, 2008 by Mobi

[Mobi]

What a load of COBSWASH, What makes you think that I cannot talk Thai and why do you think that you have been in Thailand longer then me? Or are you going by the number of posts and the date that I joined Thai Visa.

So sad to see how many posts you have made. You need to get out more often, not just to stand around on the corner asking Thais stupid questions about shirts.

Pattaya is a tourist destination, people come for the sun and to get a tan, take that away from them and you will have very few tourists.

Next thing your be harping on about is topless sunbathing on the beaches. It is an offence to go topless on a beach in Thailand, Thai law turns a blind eye to this activity regarding tourists. So why are you so jealous about someone enjoying there stay in Thailand? It is not against the law to not wear a shirt in Thailand?

So stick that up your poll. Bloody idiot.

What makes you think that I cannot talk Thai and why do you think that you have been in Thailand longer then me?

So how long have you been here and can you speak Thai?

Give me your number and I'll have someone call you and asses your competence.

people come for the sun and to get a tan, take that away from them and you will have very few tourists.

Only God can do that.

(but even if he did, I'd wager there'd still be plenty of tourists )

So why are you so jealous about someone enjoying there stay in Thailand?

By any standards, that's a very odd extrapolation of my combined posts on this thread. (BTW it's 'their' not 'there'. Please be more careful. )

Bloody idiot.

Oh dear! Flaming now is it? Sounds like you can't stand the pressure.

Edited February 11, 2008 by Mobi

[tropo]

Methinks thou dost protest too much.

"Ridicule the very history of this town?"

What is that supposed to mean?

Sounds like you're getting a mite upset with having to face the truth of the matter which is that you are so off base that all you can do is post insults in the hope that I will give up and go away.

I have yet to meet a single Thai who is not employed in the prostitution/bar business who agrees that what is going on here is acceptable. Indeed, in discussion with a couple of friends is evening they said that even most bar girls deplore the lack of sensitivity exercised by many farangs who go "topless". It is an an offence to the very core of Thai culture and you would know that if you started talking to Thai people in the real world of Thailand rather than the perverted trash you encounter in Walking Street and its environs.

What makes you think you and your farang compatriots are so special that you can arbitrarily designate Pattaya as a special, farang zone, where anything goes and farangs can behave how they like and all the normal rules of acceptable behaviour in a Buddhist country can go by the board and be ignored?

Is it the power of money? or is it the arrogance of the western white man? No wonder they are so hated here.

Talk about "Strangers in a Strange land"

"Ridicule the very history of this town?"What is that supposed to mean?

I'm sure you know exactly what that means. This town became what it is on the back of a prostitution industry servicing American military personnel on R&R.

If it wasn't for this history, you would probably not be here beause you could just as easily enjoy living in any other fishing village along the coast.

You're so blind to reality it's probably a waste of time trying to enlighten you.

Now what made this town "great" you call trash and you're even getting offended by shirtless farang enjoying the sunshine.

Your Thai friends who don't work in the prostitution industry are indirectly benefiting from it by working in satellite industries or in some way reaping the rewards of it. They're just as blind as you are.

You name one industry in Pattaya that doesn't benefit either directly or indirectly from prostitution or the more recent non-sex tourism industry.

The Thais in Pattaya are the ones who need to adjust, not the Farangs. Most seem to have adjusted quite well apart from a few offended ones living in your neck of the woods.

[Humphrey Bear]

From today's PCN

3 dead and 2 seriously injured in weekend road crashes.

Fatal road accidents continue here in Pattaya and we now report on the death of three people involved in two serious accidents over the weekend.

We begin in Soi 7 off the Tepprasit Road in Jomtien where Police Lieutenant Colonel Tailert form Pattaya Police Station joined rescue workers at the scene of a terrible road accident which claimed the lives of two and injured two others. The crash involved two motorbikes which collided at speed at a sharp curve. The bikes were approaching from the opposite direction and the drivers of both bikes, Khun Jakapet aged 24 and Khun Tinagorn of the same age were killed. Both bikes had passengers, Khun Somjai aged 26 and Khun Boonterm aged 18 who were seriously injured and rushed to Hospital.

The second accident occurred in the front of the Lakeland Cable Water Ski Center on the Sukumvit Road in Jomtien and was investigated by the same officer as the first crash. This case appeared to be a hit and run and resulted in the death of Khun Feungfar aged 23 who was discovered by a passing driver next to her mangled motorbike. The crash remains a mystery as no one saw what happened. It is thoughT a high speed collision with a larger vehicle, probably a Pick-Up or truck took place and the driver decided to leave after realizing the motorbike driver had been killed. Police are investigating and have alerted garages around the area should a badly damaged vehicle be taken to them for repair.

I appreciate that this is all Thai involvement, not farang, but it is still tragic and should be borne in mind by all riders.

The poor girl in the last crash appears to have been innocent of any error, just hit by a speeding motorist.

[Humphrey Bear]

And yesterday's PCN

23 Year old man killed in early morning Sukumvit road accident.

At 7.30 on Saturday Morning, Police and Sawang Boriboon Rescue Workers were called to the scene of a fatal road crash which occurred on the Sukumvit Road in Jomtien. The crash involved a Silver Honda Civic, driven by Khun Pornchai, a former National Muay Thai Champion and a motorbike driven by Khun Surapong aged 23 who lost his life in the crash. According to Khun Pornchai and other witnesses, he was driving down the Sukumvit from Sattahip when the motorbike attempted to cross the Sukumvit Road in front of the fast approaching car which could not break in time to avoid a collision. The victim and his motorbike were thrown into the base of a statue in the central reservation. In accordance with Police procedure, Khun Pornchai was detained pending further investigations.

All these young lives lost. Does no-one care about the future of this country?

[Humphrey Bear]

And two more during the past week

Man killed following collision with Baht Bus.

In the early hours of Sunday Morning, Police and Rescue Workers made their way to the Pattaya Third Road intersection with Central Pattaya Road to deal with a fatal road accident. At the scene were a mangled motorbike and the body of the driver, Khun Egarat aged 29 lying on the road. The crash involved a Baht Bus which had apparently crossed a red light which led to a high speed collision with the motorbike. The driver of Baht Bus Number 393 Khun Chayawaert aged 42 remained at the scene and was placed under arrest. He was also suspected of being in a drunken state according to Police. He was later charged with drunk driving and reckless driving causing death and is due in court later this week.

Erratic Motorbike Driver loses his life in Sukumvit Road crash.

Fatal road accidents unfortunately occur here in Pattaya on an all too regular basis. We now report on yet another deadly crash which occurred on Tuesday Night near the Sukumvit Road junction with the Tepprasit Road in Jomtien.The crash involved a motorbike driven by the victim, Khun Wattana aged 33 and a coach driven by Khun Nipan aged 56 who was found not to be at fault. At the scene witness accounts and details given to Police from the coach driver suggested the victim was driving in an erratic fashion and at a high rate of speed. He was seen to lose control of his bike which led to a crash. Khun Wattana was thrown from the bike and on to the road in front of the approaching coach which was unable to avoid the victim who was ran over by the coach.

[Taz]

And yesterday's PCN

23 Year old man killed in early morning Sukumvit road accident.

At 7.30 on Saturday Morning, Police and Sawang Boriboon Rescue Workers were called to the scene of a fatal road crash which occurred on the Sukumvit Road in Jomtien. The crash involved a Silver Honda Civic, driven by Khun Pornchai, a former National Muay Thai Champion and a motorbike driven by Khun Surapong aged 23 who lost his life in the crash. According to Khun Pornchai and other witnesses, he was driving down the Sukumvit from Sattahip when the motorbike attempted to cross the Sukumvit Road in front of the fast approaching car which could not break in time to avoid a collision. The victim and his motorbike were thrown into the base of a statue in the central reservation. In accordance with Police procedure, Khun Pornchai was detained pending further investigations.

All these young lives lost. Does no-one care about the future of this country?

Caring about this country doesn't make stupid drivers safe drivers.

Taz.

[Mobi]

"Ridicule the very history of this town?"What is that supposed to mean?

I'm sure you know exactly what that means. This town became what it is on the back of a prostitution industry servicing American military personnel on R&R.

If it wasn't for this history, you would probably not be here beause you could just as easily enjoy living in any other fishing village along the coast.

You're so blind to reality it's probably a waste of time trying to enlighten you.

Now what made this town "great" you call trash and you're even getting offended by shirtless farang enjoying the sunshine.

Your Thai friends who don't work in the prostitution industry are indirectly benefiting from it by working in satellite industries or in some way reaping the rewards of it. They're just as blind as you are.

You name one industry in Pattaya that doesn't benefit either directly or indirectly from prostitution or the more recent non-sex tourism industry.

The Thais in Pattaya are the ones who need to adjust, not the Farangs. Most seem to have adjusted quite well apart from a few offended ones living in your neck of the woods.

Oh dear oh dear.

Every time you make a new post, you dig yourself in deeper and deeper.

Don't you just love it?

Now the Thais have to adjust to farang culture because the sex tourists made Pattaya a great city and the Thais should be grateful.

You couldn't make it up if you tried.

[tropo]

Now the Thais have to adjust to farang culture because the sex tourists made Pattaya a great city and the Thais should be grateful.

So the Thai prostitutes had nothing to do with sex tourism then?

Everything in Pattaya started with sex-tourism. If you live here, you're benefiting from it either directly or indirectly like everyone else.

The Thais threw their culture out the window the moment they started reaping the rewards of this industry in Pattaya.

Why don't you find a nice quiet fishing village somewhere? Somewhere you won't have the misfortune of seeing shirtless farangs. Somewhere traditional and undisturbed by white "trash".

Edited February 11, 2008 by tropo

[Mobi]

Messrs Taz and Tropo,

As all you seem to be able to do is to regurgitate your previous nonsense, nothing gives me greater pleasure than to appoint you as founder members of APSFIP (Association for the Promotion of Shirtless Farangs in Pattaya)....

....and Associate members of SFFIP (the Society for the Furtherance of Farang Culture In Pattaya)

Enjoy your farang cultural activities in this fair city and long may you succeed in converting Thais to your cause.

[tropo]

Messrs Taz and Tropo,

As all you seem to be able to do is to regurgitate your previous nonsense, nothing gives me greater pleasure than to appoint you as founder members of APSFIP (Association for the Promotion of Shirtless Farangs in Pattaya)....

....and Associate members of SFFIP (the Society for the Furtherance of Farang Culture In Pattaya)

Enjoy your farang cultural activities in this fair city and long may you succeed in converting Thais to your cause.

I have absolutely no desire to convert Thais to any cause. I merely wanted to make comment on your attitude toward shirtless farang.

As it happens, I don't behave in any way that any Thais would object to. I'm courteous and respectful to anyone who shows the same respect toward me. That doesn't mean I go around kissing the asses of songthaew drivers with bad attitudes.

Let the shirtless farangs enjoy their time in the sunshine.

[Gary A]

One of the problems with a motorcycle is that you never know what is going to change the road conditions between today and tomorrow. A good friend of mine used to ride motocross and never suffered any serious injuries. I might add that he is now in his LATE 60's. He particularly enjoyed a curvy stretch of road that he used at least once a day. One night on his way home he was leaning into the curves and the bike went out from under him. Where did that gravel come from? He lost more skin and suffered more pain than in all his years of racing. Arms, elbows, legs, knees and feet lost a considerable bunch of skin. He made many trips to the hospital having bits of stones and asphalt dug out of his injuries. He still rides that little crotch rocket but he since decided that jeans, a jacket and shoes are a good idea.

[Mobi]

As it happens, I don't behave in any way that any Thais would object to. I'm courteous and respectful to anyone who shows the same respect toward me. That doesn't mean I go around kissing the asses of songthaew drivers with bad attitudes.

Let the shirtless farangs enjoy their time in the sunshine.

That is very commendable and I am pleased to hear it.

It's a pity that your desire to be courteous and respectful doesn't extend to deploring those who offend Thai sensibilities by not dressing appropriately and following Thai social customs when they are guests in their country.

But I guess nobody's perfect

(Except Prudie Mobi )

[Humphrey Bear]

Mobi - I'm not sure what Thai attitudes are in Pattaya now.

I have 4 or 5 singlets, a couple of dozen tee-shirts in my closet.

Daily my wife will dig out a singlet in preference to a tee-shirt for me to wear.

Maybe she thinks I prefer them, maybe she thinks it is farang style, maybe she prefers to see me like that. I do not know and when I ask I get the usual "Me no understand" as if she is being pulled-up for making a mistake.

So I just wear the singlet and endure the comments.

But shirtless? Only on the beach or at a pool.

[tatt2dude]

An experienced motorcyclist will always avoid sand and gravel on corners and take extra precautions when the road is wet. I'm always very diligent in watching out for sand or gravel on the road - especially wearing a T-shirt and shorts most of the time.

An experienced motorcyclist will look at you in your T-Shirt and shorts and think "God these dickheads give us such a bad name."

I am pressuming of course you are reffering to a motorcycle and not a twist and go scooter, in which case I retract the statement and point out, that an experienced motorcyclist does not consider anything with a shopping basket on the front as a motorcycle.

Nice story re the gravel, sand etc, you are aware that most novices bin it by taking extreme evasive action at the last minute rather than let the tires do the job they are supposed to do? You are also aware that with ground temprature in Thailand you get no cold tear on the tires and that unless it has been raining heavily they will work quite well in drizzle, I speak from experience at Bira, on a GSXR 750, I presume you are talking about a sportsbike as well?

And finally yes the same rules apply in Pattaya as everywhere else in the world, tarmac goes through skin like butter.

Good luck with your choice though.

Edited February 12, 2008 by tatt2dude

[tropo]

An experienced motorcyclist will always avoid sand and gravel on corners and take extra precautions when the road is wet. I'm always very diligent in watching out for sand or gravel on the road - especially wearing a T-shirt and shorts most of the time.

An experienced motorcyclist will look at you in your T-Shirt and shorts and think "God these dickheads give us such a bad name."

I am pressuming of course you are reffering to a motorcycle and not a twist and go scooter, in which case I retract the statement and point out, that an experienced motorcyclist does not consider anything with a shopping basket on the front as a motorcycle.

Nice story re the gravel, sand etc, you are aware that most novices bin it by taking extreme evasive action at the last minute rather than let the tires do the job they are supposed to do? You are also aware that with ground temprature in Thailand you get no cold tear on the tires and that unless it has been raining heavily they will work quite well in drizzle, I speak from experience at Bira, on a GSXR 750, I presume you are talking about a sportsbike as well?

And finally yes the same rules apply in Pattaya as everywhere else in the world, tarmac goes through skin like butter.

Good luck with your choice though.

A motorcycle (read cycle-with-a-motor) is any 2-wheeler with an engine. I used to ride superbikes when I was younger...always wearing leathers, boot and gloves and a very good crash helmit.

Here in Pattaya I'm talking about a "twist and go scooter". On one you will not survive much of a lean on a greasy wet surface....taking into consideration the size of the tyres, my bodyweight etc etc. I've never had to worry much about cold tyres because I've always lived in warm climates.

Why would you presume I would ride a sports bike in Pattaya?

Edited February 12, 2008 by tropo

[Mobi]

Mobi - I'm not sure what Thai attitudes are in Pattaya now.

I have 4 or 5 singlets, a couple of dozen tee-shirts in my closet.

Daily my wife will dig out a singlet in preference to a tee-shirt for me to wear.

Maybe she thinks I prefer them, maybe she thinks it is farang style, maybe she prefers to see me like that. I do not know and when I ask I get the usual "Me no understand" as if she is being pulled-up for making a mistake.

So I just wear the singlet and endure the comments.

But shirtless? Only on the beach or at a pool.

Well Hump, as I have said many times in this thread, and many conveniently continue to ignore, even "Prudie Mobi" accepts that the area between beach and Third Road is a place where more or less anything goes, and very few turn an eye or are bothered by the sight of scantily clad females and half naked farangs - both of which would normally be unacceptable attire in this country.

But once you get outside this area, you are back in normal Thailand with normal people going about their daily business, be it at shop, a school, a farm, a noodle shop, an office, a factory a street stall a Buddhist Wat or whatever, and it is no different to any other place in Thailand.

Thai social dress code should be the norm, and the sight of semi naked farangs driving around on motorcycles is an offence to a great majority of the Thai population.

Whether or not this "great" city has been built on the back of prostitution is a subject for debate on another thread, but even if that were so, does that mean that farangs can come here and do what they like and dress how they like, regardless of the local culture and sensibilities - just because their money helped to build this town? I think not.

As regards to the wearing of singlets - well you are probably aware that any exposure of shoulders is not regarded in a good light, and every year the Thai government issues warnings about females wearing "spaghetti" tops in public places.

But having said that, I don't think anyone will be too offended by the sight of a "singletted Hump" provided you keep clear of government offices and Wats

[phukethovercraft]

Mobi - I'm not sure what Thai attitudes are in Pattaya now.

I have 4 or 5 singlets, a couple of dozen tee-shirts in my closet.

Daily my wife will dig out a singlet in preference to a tee-shirt for me to wear.

Maybe she thinks I prefer them, maybe she thinks it is farang style, maybe she prefers to see me like that. I do not know and when I ask I get the usual "Me no understand" as if she is being pulled-up for making a mistake.

So I just wear the singlet and endure the comments.

But shirtless? Only on the beach or at a pool.

Well Hump, as I have said many times in this thread, and many conveniently continue to ignore, even "Prudie Mobi" accepts that the area between beach and Third Road is a place where more or less anything goes, and very few turn an eye or are bothered by the sight of scantily clad females and half naked farangs - both of which would normally be unacceptable attire in this country.

But once you get outside this area, you are back in normal Thailand with normal people going about their daily business, be it at shop, a school, a farm, a noodle shop, an office, a factory a street stall a Buddhist Wat or whatever, and it is no different to any other place in Thailand.

Thai social dress code should be the norm, and the sight of semi naked farangs driving around on motorcycles is an offence to a great majority of the Thai population.

Whether or not this "great" city has been built on the back of prostitution is a subject for debate on another thread, but even if that were so, does that mean that farangs can come here and do what they like and dress how they like, regardless of the local culture and sensibilities - just because their money helped to build this town? I think not.

As regards to the wearing of singlets - well you are probably aware that any exposure of shoulders is not regarded in a good light, and every year the Thai government issues warnings about females wearing "spaghetti" tops in public places.

But having said that, I don't think anyone will be too offended by the sight of a "singletted Hump" provided you keep clear of government offices and Wats

Why do you keep going over the ground? OK we understand about the no shirts rule in Thailand, but talk about flogging a dead horse. So what are you hoping to change in Pattaya?

[Mobi]

Why do you keep going over the ground? OK we understand about the no shirts rule in Thailand, but talk about flogging a dead horse. So what are you hoping to change in Pattaya?

I was responding to a Hump's question.

That's what we do in these threads - post comments and interact with each other

Any objections?

If you don't like what I am saying you can either disagree or ignore it.

Have a nice day

[Humphrey Bear]

Mobi - calm down!!!

You have bitten at a dozen different flies that people have sent past your nose - rest, relax and chill out.

[Mobi]

Mobi - calm down!!!

You have bitten at a dozen different flies that people have sent past your nose - rest, relax and chill out.

I'm cool

I've got one of those battery operated bat shaped fly/mozzie killers and I enjoy watching them sizzle.

[tatt2dude]

An experienced motorcyclist will always avoid sand and gravel on corners and take extra precautions when the road is wet. I'm always very diligent in watching out for sand or gravel on the road - especially wearing a T-shirt and shorts most of the time.

An experienced motorcyclist will look at you in your T-Shirt and shorts and think "God these dickheads give us such a bad name."

I am pressuming of course you are reffering to a motorcycle and not a twist and go scooter, in which case I retract the statement and point out, that an experienced motorcyclist does not consider anything with a shopping basket on the front as a motorcycle.

Nice story re the gravel, sand etc, you are aware that most novices bin it by taking extreme evasive action at the last minute rather than let the tires do the job they are supposed to do? You are also aware that with ground temprature in Thailand you get no cold tear on the tires and that unless it has been raining heavily they will work quite well in drizzle, I speak from experience at Bira, on a GSXR 750, I presume you are talking about a sportsbike as well?

And finally yes the same rules apply in Pattaya as everywhere else in the world, tarmac goes through skin like butter.

Good luck with your choice though.

A motorcycle (read cycle-with-a-motor) is any 2-wheeler with an engine. I used to ride superbikes when I was younger...always wearing leathers, boot and gloves and a very good crash helmit.

Here in Pattaya I'm talking about a "twist and go scooter". On one you will not survive much of a lean on a greasy wet surface....taking into consideration the size of the tyres, my bodyweight etc etc. I've never had to worry much about cold tyres because I've always lived in warm climates.

Why would you presume I would ride a sports bike in Pattaya?

Lean? On a twist and go? I presumed sportsbike when you started qouting leaning, at what point on a scooter... read S-C-O-O-T-E-R... with a top speed of approx 110kph do you lean, unless of course your flat out everywhere. Nice story anyway, but I fear your trying to prove a point for the sake of an argument with the OP.

For clarification can you in future refer to yourself as an "experienced scooterist" I get confused easily.

[tropo]

Lean? On a twist and go? I presumed sportsbike when you started qouting leaning, at what point on a scooter... read S-C-O-O-T-E-R... with a top speed of approx 110kph do you lean, unless of course your flat out everywhere. Nice story anyway, but I fear your trying to prove a point for the sake of an argument with the OP.

For clarification can you in future refer to yourself as an "experienced scooterist" I get confused easily.

I'm not replying to the OP, I'm replying to you. I'm not surprised you confuse easily because you don't have a clue.

You lean on any motorcycle and even bicycles to take corners and bends. That's the only way 2-wheelers of any configuration get around bends. You're obvious ignorant, or just trying to pick an argument.

Do an experiment for yourself. Find a scooter....read S-C-O-O-T-E-R and take it for a ride. Find a bend somewhere and ride slowly around the bend....any speed above jogging will. Do this before you come back on here and reply with more bs.

Edited February 13, 2008 by tropo

[Tony Clifton]

An experienced motorcyclist will always avoid sand and gravel on corners and take extra precautions when the road is wet. I'm always very diligent in watching out for sand or gravel on the road - especially wearing a T-shirt and shorts most of the time.

An experienced motorcyclist will look at you in your T-Shirt and shorts and think "God these dickheads give us such a bad name."

I am pressuming of course you are reffering to a motorcycle and not a twist and go scooter, in which case I retract the statement and point out, that an experienced motorcyclist does not consider anything with a shopping basket on the front as a motorcycle.

Nice story re the gravel, sand etc, you are aware that most novices bin it by taking extreme evasive action at the last minute rather than let the tires do the job they are supposed to do? You are also aware that with ground temprature in Thailand you get no cold tear on the tires and that unless it has been raining heavily they will work quite well in drizzle, I speak from experience at Bira, on a GSXR 750, I presume you are talking about a sportsbike as well?

And finally yes the same rules apply in Pattaya as everywhere else in the world, tarmac goes through skin like butter.

Good luck with your choice though.

120kph with the basket, fast enough for Thailand.

Any faster and I'd prefer flying an unshielded spaceship at light speed through the asteroid belt rather than dealing with the local chaos and it's virus like drivers.

[xminator]

Jomtien: Crossed the road and had a near miss from a bike riding on one wheel (the headlights dont show when it is searching for birds), no helmet - and with a passenger... Again - thai. For every farang that make a joke of themselfs you'll find 10 thais running circles around them in stupid behaviour.

[tatt2dude]

Lean? On a twist and go? I presumed sportsbike when you started qouting leaning, at what point on a scooter... read S-C-O-O-T-E-R... with a top speed of approx 110kph do you lean, unless of course your flat out everywhere. Nice story anyway, but I fear your trying to prove a point for the sake of an argument with the OP.

For clarification can you in future refer to yourself as an "experienced scooterist" I get confused easily.

I'm not replying to the OP, I'm replying to you. I'm not surprised you confuse easily because you don't have a clue.

You lean on any motorcycle and even bicycles to take corners and bends. That's the only way 2-wheelers of any configuration get around bends. You're obvious ignorant, or just trying to pick an argument.

Do an experiment for yourself. Find a scooter....read S-C-O-O-T-E-R and take it for a ride. Find a bend somewhere and ride slowly around the bend....any speed above jogging will. Do this before you come back on here and reply with more bs.

OK, it was a nice story anyway and handy to get your point across to the OP, but come now what "lean angle" are we talking about on your Honda click? Are you also knee down on your bicycle?

I will take your advice and give it a go myself, will possibly have to build up to it, sounds scary.

BS: Lies, make believe and posts on Thai Visa and stories for the sole purpose of proving a worthless point? Did I get that right?

You amuse me. You read the whole thread right, or did you just jump on the OP at a certain point?

Oh and btw a motorcycle by European terms is not any 2 wheeled vehicle with engine, a step through frame under a certain cc does not require A MOTORCYCLE license to operate, Thailand differs slightly due to manufacturers offering a unique product in Asia, but then Thailand does not recognize big bikes sheesh even I know that and I'm clueless!