Terror On The Darkside Be Warned

[NanLaew]

Interesting thread. I live on the 'Darkside', on a big estate of over 200 houses, their is a mixture of high walls, and low walls, on my soi, we have mainly low walls, so it is easy to see if someone is entering your property, a house further up the soi installed high walls, and they was robbed the following week!

Logical Captain! The burglar is well hidden from anyone so can take his time getting in.

[NanLaew]

Most homes here has a dog, that dont deter these evil people.

More logical thinking. Having a barking dog is not really a deterrent. I for one don't check out why the dog is barking every time it barks. Different dogs bark at different things and your neighbour probably registers that your dog is barking but probably won't look out the window either. The burglar already knows this.

I mean just think about it. With the amount of dogs already roaming the streets or sleeping on patios, you would think that housebreaking would be a dead art in LOS now wouldn't you?

[plasticpig]

name='NanLaew' date='2008-06-13 12:17:00' post='2031372']

name='rocky123' post='2025003' date='2008-06-09 22:20:55']Most homes here has a dog, that dont deter these evil people More logical thinking. Having a barking dog is not really a deterrent. I for one don't check out why the dog is barking every time it barks. Different dogs bark at different things and your neighbour probably registers that your dog is barking but probably won't look out the window either. The burglar already knows this.

I mean just think about it. With the amount of dogs already roaming the streets or sleeping on patios, you would think that housebreaking would be a dead art in LOS now wouldn't you?

Hands up all the people who have been broken into whilst the big dangerous dog you have is on the premises.

Hands up all the people who have had there Dangerous dog poisoned and the house broken into in Pattaya.

Just don't think its going to be many.

Now hands up all those who have a big dangerous dog, and the house next door does not and got broken into in the last three years.

A Big Dangerous dog is a deterrent

[Phil Conners]

I'd be interested to know now much a deterrent a burglar alarm is. Has anybody been burgled in spite of properly working and armed burglar alarm?

[suiging]

In my old house the cunning runts used a four year old kid to squeeze in through the vent holes in the bathroom and then remove the grill from the inside. Didn't think to alarm that bit !!!!!!

[NanLaew]

Hands up all the people who have been broken into whilst the big dangerous dog you have is on the premises.

Hands up all the people who have had there Dangerous dog poisoned and the house broken into in Pattaya.

Just don't think its going to be many.

Now hands up all those who have a big dangerous dog, and the house next door does not and got broken into in the last three years.

A Big Dangerous dog is a deterrent

Thanks for emphasizing and qualifying the exact same point I was making!

[NanLaew]

In my old house the cunning runts used a four year old kid to squeeze in through the vent holes in the bathroom and then remove the grill from the inside. Didn't think to alarm that bit !!!!!!

The old 'kamoy bars' are not much of a deterrent as well as being hideous; the same as a dog! Another anecdotal tale of a company that used to make and install these things. One of their casual labour saw nice things at a farangs new house and when they installed the window bars, he cut all the screws short on one window frame before banging them in so it only looked like they were firmly screwed in. A few nights later, all he had to do was lever out the screw heads, lift out the whole frame and he was in. Some homebuilders then took up the option of replacing at least 2 screws on each side of the kamoy bar frame with 6" long masonry nails so that the frame couldn't just be unscrewed. This was back when all window and door frames were wood but I am sure the professional kamoy has ways of getting around whatever method secures these bars nowadays... like using a kid.

[Ground Engineer]

A good double glazing system would make it much more difficult for intruders to get in. These flimsy windows and patio doors that most houses have can just be lifted out of there tracks.

[plasticpig]

In my old house the cunning runts used a four year old kid to squeeze in through the vent holes in the bathroom and then remove the grill from the inside. Didn't think to alarm that bit !!!!!!

The old 'kamoy bars' are not much of a deterrent as well as being hideous; the same as a dog! Another anecdotal tale of a company that used to make and install these things. One of their casual labour saw nice things at a farangs new house and when they installed the window bars, he cut all the screws short on one window frame before banging them in so it only looked like they were firmly screwed in. A few nights later, all he had to do was lever out the screw heads, lift out the whole frame and he was in. Some homebuilders then took up the option of replacing at least 2 screws on each side of the kamoy bar frame with 6" long masonry nails so that the frame couldn't just be unscrewed. This was back when all window and door frames were wood but I am sure the professional kamoy has ways of getting around whatever method secures these bars nowadays... like using a kid.

A professional thief has a key my friend.

The rest are amateurs so the more obstacles you have to deter him the more likely it’s the other guy who gets broken into.

But what do I know

[foxxx]

i live in a townhouse on a soi, not in a village, our house used to be a small gold shop a while back, so it's barred up like a bank, feel kinda safe knowing that they would have to get through some metal bars to get in and a few padlocks.

[NduguChancellor]

I find it difficult to believe that the gents you mention below were actually Thai. We all know that Thai People are peaceful, kind and loving people who would never perpetrate an act of violence which would contrary to the teachings of Buddha. I'm sure these burglars were from an EU member nation.

It would be helpful if the OP would detail what kind of deterrent if any is built-in to this Raviporn Village. Are there bars on the windows? How did these EU hooligans enter?

My village Raviporn on Kho Noi (boonsampan), had 5 break ins last night, in one of the break ins the Thai burglar sexualy assalted a young mother and held a knife to her childs throat, the police were informed and told her to come down to banglamung police station to file a report. In another a 70 year old man was punched 4 times and forced to hand over money and valuables. In the last 6 months there have been 30 such crimes in the village. Wheres the security i hear you ask, they were asleep and did,nt notice anything. If you are thinking of renting or buying here, buy a gun as these guys go in your room armed and with no police around here, your on your own. If no have gun pretend to be asleep and let them rob you or you will be killed in your bed.

[roygsd]

A good double glazing system would make it much more difficult for intruders to get in. These flimsy windows and patio doors that most houses have can just be lifted out of there tracks.

You are having a laugh! Double glazing the easily removed as it is dependent upon beading to keep it in place, some properties still have external beading and it can be removed quickly and silently, internal glazing is slightly better as the beads can only be removed from the inside of the property.

As windows are usually left open for ventlation purposes even the smallest opening can be breached by a child and as a nother poster has confirmed kids are often used by thai criminals.

UPVC fames are hollow and the walls of the plasic are only around 3 mm thick, a brace and bit is fairly silent and timeis on the burglars side.

Just to depress you even more I had reason to get a locksmith to pick a multi point lock to a UPVC back door from the outside and as god is my judge it took less than 20 seconds to open it!!!!!!

I was amazed and he told me that multi point locks are a great selling point but not much use when they actual lock is cheap and nasty as almost all provided of the UPVC companies are.

Burglars love big double glazed windows installed in remote settings, never mind the bell a paving slab through the glass and the world your lobster! In and out in a couple of mins no problem.

Many people spend good money on thick door and window frames about with good locks but fail to spare a thought as to the fixings used to fix the frames to the walls, big mistake!

Years agoI had a contract to fit huge steel encased doors and frames to flats and houses on a Council Estate, each door and frame took four big guys to get off the van, these door looked like fort knox, geat locks all multi locking, but when I told the Specifier from the council that I felt they were not secure and positively dangerous he challenged me to prove it.

I got the householder to lock the dor from the inside and go into another room until told to come out, after just two runs and shoulder barging by the biggest lad on the firm the smile on the specifier's face soon disapeared as the top of the doorframe begain to move into the roon by about 3 inches, with a few more barges and kicks the weight of the door took over and it crshed to the floor, the walls just could not cope with the fixings.

Before buying expensive heavy sucurity doors and windows those of you living in Thaland should check that the walls will take the fixings and weght, those thin blocks used out there are not worth a carrot.

Bars at the windows are a worry in the event of a fire so if you have to have them make sure one or two of them can are easily unlocked.

If they are determined to get in they will, a good alarm sytem with beams with a back up battery sytem should the electric supply be cut is as ggod as you can hope for, there are small battery operated movement detectors that can be placed/hung on the windows and doors of hotel rooms which are ok in the short term but like smoke dectoectors , if batteries are not renwed they are worse than useless.

Sorry for the lengthy posting but I hope it helps someone.

roy gsd

[roygsd]

I'm sure these burglars were from an EU member nation.

It would be helpful if the OP would detail what kind of deterrent if any is built-in to this Raviporn Village. Are there bars on the windows? How did these EU hooligans enter?

up the back passage maybe?

roy gsd

[raro]

I find it difficult to believe that the gents you mention below were actually Thai. We all know that Thai People are peaceful, kind and loving people who would never perpetrate an act of violence which would contrary to the teachings of Buddha. I'm sure these burglars were from an EU member nation.

It would be helpful if the OP would detail what kind of deterrent if any is built-in to this Raviporn Village. Are there bars on the windows? How did these EU hooligans enter?

I doubt it was a Westerner. They are usually Christians and one of the ten commandments says clearly that you should not steal.

[plasticpig]

I find it difficult to believe that the gents you mention below were actually Thai. We all know that Thai People are peaceful, kind and loving people who would never perpetrate an act of violence which would contrary to the teachings of Buddha. I'm sure these burglars were from an EU member nation.

It would be helpful if the OP would detail what kind of deterrent if any is built-in to this Raviporn Village. Are there bars on the windows? How did these EU hooligans enter?

I doubt it was a Westerner. They are usually Christians and one of the ten commandments says clearly that you should not steal.

True but in Thailand, we have twenty commandments

I will tell number 11, feel free to add the other 9 boys and girls.

Commandment no 11

Thou shall not tell the truth.

[jeanpierre]

I am opposed to violence, and would rather less guns in the world for sure, but if someone enters MY house and I feel my wife or daughter are in danger of death or sexual assault, I have no problems dropping a few bullets in the criminal.

If one enters your house, can you be exonerated if you shoot him for self defense?

does he have to have a gun too? or a knife?

in the west you'd be ok to protect your family. how about here? any factual information on this?

No you're not. At least not in Belgium my home country.

cheers

onzestan

[miksguevara]

Question to the OP,is the village you are talking about 'Raviporn Place'? if not sorry to have troubled you..

[NduguChancellor]

That's stupid advice. If you wield a gun it's more likely they'll shoot you unless you are prepared to shoot them first

You have statistics from any country to back up this ridiculous assertion?

[ttthailand]

Setup your own security with others living in the area. Each night take your turn driving around looking for anything out of place. Bring a big F...ing dog along for the ride. Soon all the low lifes will get the message and look for easier money elsewhere. No Thai guard getting paid 6k Baht is going to put up a fight or get in the way of someone with a gun. Take control !

[chuckd]

Just a little thought before all you Rambo types get your guns.

If you don't have a permit from the authorities to own a gun, you best not have one. If you are found to have a gun without the appropriate permit, you will be placed in the monkey house until such time as you have the necessary funds to get acquited of the charges.

You will likely then have a PNG stamp placed in your passport and provided free transportation to that nice new airport in Bangkok.

If I were home (Texas), I could legally have a weapon in my home to protect myself and my property and could discharge it in the direction of the nearest felon attempting to do harm to me and mine.

If I were home (Texas), I could obtain a permit and carry a weapon openly outside my home and, again, could discharge it in the direction of the nearest felon attempting to do harm to me and mine.

If you are not at home, then it might be best to follow the gun control laws of Thailand.

Get an aluminum baseball bat. They have such a nice "boink" when impacting solid surfaces.

[VocalNeal]

Roy,

You said

If they are determined to get in they will, a good alarm sytem with beams with a back up battery sytem should the electric supply be cut is as ggod as you can hope for,

While nothing is a 100%. An electric fence IS recognized as being one of the best.

Wasp Security is the leading supplier of electric security fences in Thailand

[plasticpig]

Can we have an electric fence in thailand. what goes down if say someone dies on it ?

are we in the clear. anyone.?

[NanLaew]

Can we have an electric fence in thailand. what goes down if say someone dies on it ?

are we in the clear. anyone.?

Good question!

Is this an agricultural type electric fence with low current, high voltage pulses like they use in the UK to scare off the animals, or is it hooked up to the national grid like some cockies in Australia with 240V frying everything that comes in contact with it?

[johnnybgood]

my first post

electric

i like this

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[bergen]

Can we have an electric fence in thailand. what goes down if say someone dies on it ?

are we in the clear. anyone.?

Good question!

Is this an agricultural type electric fence with low current, high voltage pulses like they use in the UK to scare off the animals, or is it hooked up to the national grid like some cockies in Australia with 240V frying everything that comes in contact with it?

An Isaan farmer got tired of the neighbour's cows walking over his corn field every day, so he put an electric fence (220v) around.

The neighbour was'nt too electrified seeing his cows being electrocuted.

[farangtingtong]

I live in a village on the Dark Side.

Opposite my house there's lving a foreign family and their Bang Kaew.

Front door incl. mosq. doors are never shut, the dog is watching, BUT what if a burglar has some poisoned yummie-yummie?

Our security is average, but they have green postboxes with a notebook in it, all over the village. Every so-and-so hour they have to make a round and sign the books. There is no tight schedule, but luckily this is Thailand, so no need that emphasize that.