Number Of Foreign Owned Homes On Samui

[TopDogger]

Hi,

Can I get some guesstimates on the number of foreigner owned homes on Koh Samui?

Cheers.

[MSingh]

700

[PoorSucker]

700

Rented or owned?

[lazeeboy]

no westerner can really own ,700 i think would be much more ,most people i know own there house with the wife in a company.

[Rooo]

no westerner can really own ,700 i think would be much more ,most people i know own there house with the wife in a company.

Here we go again, Can't own land but can own the structure.

[highdiver]

no westerner can really own ,700 i think would be much more ,most people i know own there house with the wife in a company.

Here we go again, Can't own land but can own the structure.

please advise how you can own structure?? t

here is no paper work or certificate issued that says you own the building. the only ownership papers refer to land.

As per the OP posts i think he was referring to how many houses in Samui are under foreign use?

[Rooo]

no westerner can really own ,700 i think would be much more ,most people i know own there house with the wife in a company.

Here we go again, Can't own land but can own the structure.

please advise how you can own structure?? t

here is no paper work or certificate issued that says you own the building. the only ownership papers refer to land.

As per the OP posts i think he was referring to how many houses in Samui are under foreign use?

I'm going off topic here, I do apologise.Joe Blogs leases land from Co, Joe Blogs builds house, who owns house?.Oh by the way Joe blogs is an individual & No Thai wife.

[mattias33]

no westerner can really own ,700 i think would be much more ,most people i know own there house with the wife in a company.

Here we go again, Can't own land but can own the structure.

please advise how you can own structure?? t

here is no paper work or certificate issued that says you own the building. the only ownership papers refer to land.

As per the OP posts i think he was referring to how many houses in Samui are under foreign use?

I'm going off topic here, I do apologise.Joe Blogs leases land from Co, Joe Blogs builds house, who owns house?.Oh by the way Joe blogs is an individual & No Thai wife.

The bank?

[highdiver]

no westerner can really own ,700 i think would be much more ,most people i know own there house with the wife in a company.

Here we go again, Can't own land but can own the structure.

please advise how you can own structure?? t

here is no paper work or certificate issued that says you own the building. the only ownership papers refer to land.

As per the OP posts i think he was referring to how many houses in Samui are under foreign use?

I'm going off topic here, I do apologise.Joe Blogs leases land from Co, Joe Blogs builds house, who owns house?.Oh by the way Joe blogs is an individual & No Thai wife.

the co owns the house.. joe blog is a lesse. as such he RENTS the land and can utilize under the terms of the contract for that period of time.

Joe blog does not own the house. he only has holding rights until the contract expires. when the house is built it becomes part of the property.

the only papers joe Blog has is a Leese contract and a tambien ban (house book)which is a basically a registration of who lives in the house.

on the contrary to condo or apartments that can be registered at the land office(as the relative part of the property) houses are not registered.

[joecoolonsamui]

no westerner can really own ,700 i think would be much more ,most people i know own there house with the wife in a company.

Here we go again, Can't own land but can own the structure.

please advise how you can own structure?? t

here is no paper work or certificate issued that says you own the building. the only ownership papers refer to land.

As per the OP posts i think he was referring to how many houses in Samui are under foreign use?

I'm going off topic here, I do apologise.Joe Blogs leases land from Co, Joe Blogs builds house, who owns house?.Oh by the way Joe blogs is an individual & No Thai wife.

the co owns the house.. joe blog is a lesse. as such he RENTS the land and can utilize under the terms of the contract for that period of time.

Joe blog does not own the house. he only has holding rights until the contract expires. when the house is built it becomes part of the property.

the only papers joe Blog has is a Leese contract and a tambien ban (house book)which is a basically a registration of who lives in the house.

on the contrary to condo or apartments that can be registered at the land office(as the relative part of the property) houses are not registered.

Horribly incorrect.

[highdiver]

no westerner can really own ,700 i think would be much more ,most people i know own there house with the wife in a company.

Here we go again, Can't own land but can own the structure.

please advise how you can own structure?? t

here is no paper work or certificate issued that says you own the building. the only ownership papers refer to land.

As per the OP posts i think he was referring to how many houses in Samui are under foreign use?

I'm going off topic here, I do apologise.Joe Blogs leases land from Co, Joe Blogs builds house, who owns house?.Oh by the way Joe blogs is an individual & No Thai wife.

the co owns the house.. joe blog is a lesse. as such he RENTS the land and can utilize under the terms of the contract for that period of time.

Joe blog does not own the house. he only has holding rights until the contract expires. when the house is built it becomes part of the property.

the only papers joe Blog has is a Leese contract and a tambien ban (house book)which is a basically a registration of who lives in the house.

on the contrary to condo or apartments that can be registered at the land office(as the relative part of the property) houses are not registered.

Horribly incorrect.

why horrible??

why incorrect ??

or is that your personal view again "on cont rare" to the supreme court.

[joecoolonsamui]

no westerner can really own ,700 i think would be much more ,most people i know own there house with the wife in a company.

Here we go again, Can't own land but can own the structure.

please advise how you can own structure?? t

here is no paper work or certificate issued that says you own the building. the only ownership papers refer to land.

As per the OP posts i think he was referring to how many houses in Samui are under foreign use?

I'm going off topic here, I do apologise.Joe Blogs leases land from Co, Joe Blogs builds house, who owns house?.Oh by the way Joe blogs is an individual & No Thai wife.

the co owns the house.. joe blog is a lesse. as such he RENTS the land and can utilize under the terms of the contract for that period of time.

Joe blog does not own the house. he only has holding rights until the contract expires. when the house is built it becomes part of the property.

the only papers joe Blog has is a Leese contract and a tambien ban (house book)which is a basically a registration of who lives in the house.

on the contrary to condo or apartments that can be registered at the land office(as the relative part of the property) houses are not registered.

Horribly incorrect.

why horrible??

why incorrect ??

or is that your personal view again "on cont rare" to the supreme court.

Why? okay well the s ct has ruled, pursuant to section 146 of the CCC, that if the lessee built the house under by way of exercising that right over the land then said lessee owns the house (personally I think this is incorrect and only superficies can such an individual ownership of the of the house, but there you go). If you want s ct citations (gotta read Thai) let me know...happy to provide

and also, the tabian baan is worthless to any non-Thai, IT IS JUST THE ADDRESS BOOK (for Thais, that matters, they are all supposed to have an official address [also for licensed permanent residents, but rare, they can get a yellow TB] but it is not by ANY MEANS "a registration of who lives in the house"!!

Also, you, as a non-Thai CAN register your ownership of ANY structure...at the LAND OFFICE if its transferred to you.

HD that is a start with the "horribly incorrect" part but I am getting tired of schooling you now and need to rest.

[Kan Win]

and also, the tabian baan is worthless to any non-Thai, IT IS JUST THE ADDRESS BOOK (for Thais, that matters, they are all supposed to have an official address [also for licensed permanent residents, but rare, they can get a yellow TB] but it is not by ANY MEANS "a registration of who lives in the house"!!

Also, you, as a non-Thai CAN register your ownership of ANY structure...at the LAND OFFICE if its transferred to you.

So what did you mean by your post above (highlighted)?

I have had a PR (permanent residents) for some years now.

I am one of the few rare cases living in Thailand with a name in the Blue Book , not in Samui BTW.

Please explain.

Thank You.

Kan Win

P.S. "joecoolonsamui" Kan you also tell me when I get me ID card? I have one from me local hospital and when I check into any hotel around Thailand and show them that they let me in.

Edited June 30, 2008 by Kan Win

[highdiver]

no westerner can really own ,700 i think would be much more ,most people i know own there house with the wife in a company.

Here we go again, Can't own land but can own the structure.

please advise how you can own structure?? t

here is no paper work or certificate issued that says you own the building. the only ownership papers refer to land.

As per the OP posts i think he was referring to how many houses in Samui are under foreign use?

I'm going off topic here, I do apologise.Joe Blogs leases land from Co, Joe Blogs builds house, who owns house?.Oh by the way Joe blogs is an individual & No Thai wife.

the co owns the house.. joe blog is a lesse. as such he RENTS the land and can utilize under the terms of the contract for that period of time.

Joe blog does not own the house. he only has holding rights until the contract expires. when the house is built it becomes part of the property.

the only papers joe Blog has is a Leese contract and a tambien ban (house book)which is a basically a registration of who lives in the house.

on the contrary to condo or apartments that can be registered at the land office(as the relative part of the property) houses are not registered.

Horribly incorrect.

why horrible??

why incorrect ??

or is that your personal view again "on cont rare" to the supreme court.

Why? okay well the s ct has ruled, pursuant to section 146 of the CCC, that if the lessee built the house under by way of exercising that right over the land then said lessee owns the house (personally I think this is incorrect and only superficies can such an individual ownership of the of the house, but there you go). If you want s ct citations (gotta read Thai) let me know...happy to provide

thank you I do read Thai and yes and it applies ONLY to the term of the leases. once the lease is completed then the lessee owns nothing!!!

and own is a bad interpretation of possesive rights.

and also, the tabian baan is worthless to any non-Thai, IT IS JUST THE ADDRESS BOOK (for Thais, that matters, they are all supposed to have an official address [also for licensed permanent residents, but rare, they can get a yellow TB] but it is not by ANY MEANS "a registration of who lives in the house"!!

the only adress registration is done by the tambien ban as such it is a registration of who is living in the house and his address is that house. got more info please check with your local tay saban they will be happy to provide you with the explenation as to the use of the book.

Also, you, as a non-Thai CAN register your ownership of ANY structure...at the LAND OFFICE if its transferred to you.

Really ??? is that new?? a NON Thai can own any structure?? and register it in the land office?? the Land office seems to say they can do that. they can only to a forigner a lease or a condo if it meets requirements.

HD that is a start with the "horribly incorrect" part but I am getting tired of schooling you now and need to rest.

i find your quotes and your interpretation of the law to be amusing at most. i too am tired of this.

[TopDogger]

700

Only 700 ?!?! by owned I was hoping those who live in Samui understood what I meant...

[Kan Win]

and also, the tabian baan is worthless to any non-Thai, IT IS JUST THE ADDRESS BOOK (for Thais, that matters, they are all supposed to have an official address [also for licensed permanent residents, but rare, they can get a yellow TB] but it is not by ANY MEANS "a registration of who lives in the house"!!

Also, you, as a non-Thai CAN register your ownership of ANY structure...at the LAND OFFICE if its transferred to you.

So what did you mean by your post above (highlighted)?

I have had a PR (permanent residents) for some years now.

I am one of the few rare cases living in Thailand with a name in the Blue Book , not in Samui BTW.

Please explain.

Thank You.

Kan Win

P.S. "joecoolonsamui" Kan you also tell me when I get me ID card? I have one from me local hospital and when I check into any hotel around Thailand and show them that they let me in.

Hi "joecoolonsamui" ,

Please Kan you explain your post?

Kan Win

[joecoolonsamui]

and also, the tabian baan is worthless to any non-Thai, IT IS JUST THE ADDRESS BOOK (for Thais, that matters, they are all supposed to have an official address [also for licensed permanent residents, but rare, they can get a yellow TB] but it is not by ANY MEANS "a registration of who lives in the house"!!

Also, you, as a non-Thai CAN register your ownership of ANY structure...at the LAND OFFICE if its transferred to you.

So what did you mean by your post above (highlighted)?

I have had a PR (permanent residents) for some years now.

I am one of the few rare cases living in Thailand with a name in the Blue Book , not in Samui BTW.

Please explain.

Thank You.

Kan Win

P.S. "joecoolonsamui" Kan you also tell me when I get me ID card? I have one from me local hospital and when I check into any hotel around Thailand and show them that they let me in.

Hi "joecoolonsamui" ,

Please Kan you explain your post?

Kan Win

sure, but I do not understand you point or question? Is it regarding your "name" "in" the house "blue book"?

do you have permanent resident status?

[joecoolonsamui]

no westerner can really own ,700 i think would be much more ,most people i know own there house with the wife in a company.

Here we go again, Can't own land but can own the structure.

please advise how you can own structure?? t

here is no paper work or certificate issued that says you own the building. the only ownership papers refer to land.

As per the OP posts i think he was referring to how many houses in Samui are under foreign use?

I'm going off topic here, I do apologise.Joe Blogs leases land from Co, Joe Blogs builds house, who owns house?.Oh by the way Joe blogs is an individual & No Thai wife.

the co owns the house.. joe blog is a lesse. as such he RENTS the land and can utilize under the terms of the contract for that period of time.

Joe blog does not own the house. he only has holding rights until the contract expires. when the house is built it becomes part of the property.

the only papers joe Blog has is a Leese contract and a tambien ban (house book)which is a basically a registration of who lives in the house.

on the contrary to condo or apartments that can be registered at the land office(as the relative part of the property) houses are not registered.

Horribly incorrect.

why horrible??

why incorrect ??

or is that your personal view again "on cont rare" to the supreme court.

Why? okay well the s ct has ruled, pursuant to section 146 of the CCC, that if the lessee built the house under by way of exercising that right over the land then said lessee owns the house (personally I think this is incorrect and only superficies can such an individual ownership of the of the house, but there you go). If you want s ct citations (gotta read Thai) let me know...happy to provide

thank you I do read Thai and yes and it applies ONLY to the term of the leases. once the lease is completed then the lessee owns nothing!!!

incorrect. in fact, if the leasee owns the building, pursuant to 146, the lessor must re-emburse them for the structure (much better, in my legal opinion to have true lawful structure ownership with a superfices).

and own is a bad interpretation of possesive rights.

Not sure what you mean...you mean when I say "own" correct?...still not sure what you mean since you are constantly all over the legal map without supporting or explaining what you mean, but actually I would argue that even a lease is not a "possesive...(at least) property/real right"...but you have apparently not read the s ct decisions wherein the lessee IS the OWNER of the structure as a result of THE LEASE (personally and in my educated legal opinion, this is wrong...but there you go).

and also, the tabian baan is worthless to any non-Thai, IT IS JUST THE ADDRESS BOOK (for Thais, that matters, they are all supposed to have an official address [also for licensed permanent residents, but rare, they can get a yellow TB] but it is not by ANY MEANS "a registration of who lives in the house"!!

the only adress registration is done by the tambien ban as such it is a registration of who is living in the house and his address is that house. got more info please check with your local tay saban they will be happy to provide you with the explenation as to the use of the book.

what exactly is you point? the FACT is that thd tabian baan provides absolutely NO legal ground for ownership...please, you, if I am incorrect, quote the law or regulation in contra regard...or man up and, once again, withdraw you illogical and unsupported comment.

Also, you, as a non-Thai CAN register your ownership of ANY structure...at the LAND OFFICE if its transferred to you.

Really ??? is that new?? a NON Thai can own any structure?? and register it in the land office?? the Land office seems to say they can do that. they can only to a forigner a lease or a condo if it meets requirements.

Spock? come in! this is gibberish, your response. Of course a non-Thai cannot own the condo building..they would not get a license, but that is a CONDO building!...otherwise, structures, in general, can be owned by a non-Thai.

HD that is a start with the "horribly incorrect" part but I am getting tired of schooling you now and need to rest.

i find your quotes and your interpretation of the law to be amusing at most. i too am tired of this.

Again, do you have ANY formal legal education...or better, actual qualification...anywhere? And again it will help me to better educate you and inform the readers of this thread if we know this. Perhaps that is why you are tired?...It does take a bit of background, study, work...to actually understand the law. Sorry for that Highdiver, just a fact.

Sorry for pushing you on to correctness, accuracy, backing up you statements and all of that...and how tired that makes you. But the fact is, what you say, your assertions, could actually be taken seriously by some unfortunate person(s) and that is unjust...I am willing to keep going, until we have proved, documented, etc our positions (i.e. point of the forum, no?) are you?

[highdiver]

no westerner can really own ,700 i think would be much more ,most people i know own there house with the wife in a company.

Here we go again, Can't own land but can own the structure.

please advise how you can own structure?? t

here is no paper work or certificate issued that says you own the building. the only ownership papers refer to land.

As per the OP posts i think he was referring to how many houses in Samui are under foreign use?

I'm going off topic here, I do apologise.Joe Blogs leases land from Co, Joe Blogs builds house, who owns house?.Oh by the way Joe blogs is an individual & No Thai wife.

the co owns the house.. joe blog is a lesse. as such he RENTS the land and can utilize under the terms of the contract for that period of time.

Joe blog does not own the house. he only has holding rights until the contract expires. when the house is built it becomes part of the property.

the only papers joe Blog has is a Leese contract and a tambien ban (house book)which is a basically a registration of who lives in the house.

on the contrary to condo or apartments that can be registered at the land office(as the relative part of the property) houses are not registered.

Horribly incorrect.

why horrible??

why incorrect ??

or is that your personal view again "on cont rare" to the supreme court.

Why? okay well the s ct has ruled, pursuant to section 146 of the CCC, that if the lessee built the house under by way of exercising that right over the land then said lessee owns the house (personally I think this is incorrect and only superficies can such an individual ownership of the of the house, but there you go). If you want s ct citations (gotta read Thai) let me know...happy to provide

thank you I do read Thai and yes and it applies ONLY to the term of the leases. once the lease is completed then the lessee owns nothing!!!

incorrect. in fact, if the leasee owns the building, pursuant to 146, the lessor must re-emburse them for the structure (much better, in my legal opinion to have true lawful structure ownership with a superfices).

and own is a bad interpretation of possesive rights.

Not sure what you mean...you mean when I say "own" correct?...still not sure what you mean since you are constantly all over the legal map without supporting or explaining what you mean, but actually I would argue that even a lease is not a "possesive...(at least) property/real right"...but you have apparently not read the s ct decisions wherein the lessee IS the OWNER of the structure as a result of THE LEASE (personally and in my educated legal opinion, this is wrong...but there you go).

and also, the tabian baan is worthless to any non-Thai, IT IS JUST THE ADDRESS BOOK (for Thais, that matters, they are all supposed to have an official address [also for licensed permanent residents, but rare, they can get a yellow TB] but it is not by ANY MEANS "a registration of who lives in the house"!!

the only adress registration is done by the tambien ban as such it is a registration of who is living in the house and his address is that house. got more info please check with your local tay saban they will be happy to provide you with the explenation as to the use of the book.

what exactly is you point? the FACT is that thd tabian baan provides absolutely NO legal ground for ownership...please, you, if I am incorrect, quote the law or regulation in contra regard...or man up and, once again, withdraw you illogical and unsupported comment.

Also, you, as a non-Thai CAN register your ownership of ANY structure...at the LAND OFFICE if its transferred to you.

Really ??? is that new?? a NON Thai can own any structure?? and register it in the land office?? the Land office seems to say they can do that. they can only to a forigner a lease or a condo if it meets requirements.

Spock? come in! this is gibberish, your response. Of course a non-Thai cannot own the condo building..they would not get a license, but that is a CONDO building!...otherwise, structures, in general, can be owned by a non-Thai.

HD that is a start with the "horribly incorrect" part but I am getting tired of schooling you now and need to rest.

i find your quotes and your interpretation of the law to be amusing at most. i too am tired of this.

Again, do you have ANY formal legal education...or better, actual qualification...anywhere? And again it will help me to better educate you and inform the readers of this thread if we know this. Perhaps that is why you are tired?...It does take a bit of background, study, work...to actually understand the law. Sorry for that Highdiver, just a fact.

Sorry for pushing you on to correctness, accuracy, backing up you statements and all of that...and how tired that makes you. But the fact is, what you say, your assertions, could actually be taken seriously by some unfortunate person(s) and that is unjust...I am willing to keep going, until we have proved, documented, etc our positions (i.e. point of the forum, no?) are you?

no problems.. sure why not lets do begin.

As for "correctness, accuracy, backing up you statements and all of that" please do the same and explain your opinion.

[Kan Win]

and also, the tabian baan is worthless to any non-Thai, IT IS JUST THE ADDRESS BOOK (for Thais, that matters, they are all supposed to have an official address [also for licensed permanent residents, but rare, they can get a yellow TB] but it is not by ANY MEANS "a registration of who lives in the house"!!

Also, you, as a non-Thai CAN register your ownership of ANY structure...at the LAND OFFICE if its transferred to you.

So what did you mean by your post above (highlighted)?

I have had a PR (permanent residents) for some years now.

I am one of the few rare cases living in Thailand with a name in the Blue Book , not in Samui BTW.

Please explain.

Thank You.

Kan Win

P.S. "joecoolonsamui" Kan you also tell me when I get me ID card? I have one from me local hospital and when I check into any hotel around Thailand and show them that they let me in.

Hi "joecoolonsamui" ,

Please Kan you explain your post?

Kan Win

sure, but I do not understand you point or question? Is it regarding your "name" "in" the house "blue book"?

do you have permanent resident status? YES as mentioned above.

You wrote above and I quote you below:-

the tabian baan is worthless to any non-Thai

I am a non-Thai with a "Certificate of Residence".

Please, Kan you explain this to me That is my point the "worthless to any non-Thai" part. That is me question.

Thank you

Kan Win

[sbk]

Actually, I have a yellow tabien ban. I can now use this as a form of address identification (ie to get a drivers license--no need to pay immigration every time you need a letter) and it is one of the requirements for application of citizenship. Perhaps joecoolonsamui is unaware of this requirement.

[joecoolonsamui]

and also, the tabian baan is worthless to any non-Thai, IT IS JUST THE ADDRESS BOOK (for Thais, that matters, they are all supposed to have an official address [also for licensed permanent residents, but rare, they can get a yellow TB] but it is not by ANY MEANS "a registration of who lives in the house"!!

Also, you, as a non-Thai CAN register your ownership of ANY structure...at the LAND OFFICE if its transferred to you.

So what did you mean by your post above (highlighted)?

I have had a PR (permanent residents) for some years now.

I am one of the few rare cases living in Thailand with a name in the Blue Book , not in Samui BTW.

Please explain.

Thank You.

Kan Win

P.S. "joecoolonsamui" Kan you also tell me when I get me ID card? I have one from me local hospital and when I check into any hotel around Thailand and show them that they let me in.

Hi "joecoolonsamui" ,

Please Kan you explain your post?

Kan Win

sure, but I do not understand you point or question? Is it regarding your "name" "in" the house "blue book"?

do you have permanent resident status? YES as mentioned above.

You wrote above and I quote you below:-

the tabian baan is worthless to any non-Thai

I am a non-Thai with a "Certificate of Residence".

Please, Kan you explain this to me That is my point the "worthless to any non-Thai" part. That is me question.

Thank you

Kan Win

Would have to see your TB to be able to respond for sure, but my guess is that either it was issued to you before the yellow TBs for non-Thai's with permanent resident status were created OR it only has you name in it as the name of the house (not as one of the residents) or your name was improperly included in it...in any event, this is not he point, not the context in which I said it is "worthless" to any non-Thai...that was said in context of refuting that is has any house ownership value. OF COURSE TBs could and sometimes do have use/value to an non-Thai in other contexts. So, there you go.

[TopDogger]

Thanks for all the usefull information.. Maybe I should have started another thread titled "Pissing contest on Foreign ownership of households in Thailand"......

[Patsycat]

mine's blue and your's is yellow nanny nanny poo poo Edited July 19, 2008 by Patsycat

[BigC]

Hi,

Can I get some guesstimates on the number of foreigner owned homes on Koh Samui?

Cheers.

you sould add. hopw many foreign companies own homes in samui

[joecoolonsamui]

Hi,

Can I get some guesstimates on the number of foreigner owned homes on Koh Samui?

Cheers.

you sould add. hopw many foreign companies own homes in samui

once again, and as always, what is your point Big-C??