Interview Of The President

[britmaveric]

Felonies in your mind mate. Now if you are referring to the previous president than you might have smth.

[Shotime]

GW and the Dalai Lama are old golf buddies. After a few beers, golf clubs, balls, and caddies, are flying all over the place. It's generally a lot of fun.

That part of the interview where he explains why Thailand, reinforces my belief that he's coming here for a good time. He can't party like he wants in China. He's a real master of the Universe. I'm an American too, but as President, he is an embarrassment to our country, and a criminal in the eyes of most people. The administration is run by sociopaths. Let me get another coffee, and I'll expound on this, and I promise not to hold anything back.

Actually he is a hero to most people - a lad who stands up for what he believes in and dam_n the polls. I wish most politicians had 1% the courage he has. Perhaps he's not always right, but you have to admire his convictions.

I'm not sure if you're kidding. What convictions? He hasn't been convicted of anything yet.

There's nothing cryptic about him.

Edited August 2, 2008 by Shotime

[CCCP]

Im surprised he knew Thailand was actually a county. Im impressed

Funny how so many people all over the world have an opinion of the president of my country.

I had a conversation with a man from Sweden some time ago, in some bar in Suk Soi 4. It went something like this:

Swedish guy: "Oh, you are from America?"

Me: "Yes I am"

Swedish guy: "That George Bush, he should not be president, blah blah blah blah blah..."

Me: "Thanks for your opinion, but it really means nothing because you cannot vote for or against him anyway...same as I have no say in choosing the leader of your country."

(continuing)"I will be honest with you, George Bush would not have been my first choice either. But he was the lesser of two evils, in my opinion."

(continuing)"I do find it interesting that you know who the leader of my country is, and have such a strong opinion about him. At the same time, I do not know and do not give a shit who the leader of your country is."

That was the end of the political conversation...we went on to other topics and had a very nice chat over a few beers.

Maybe you should ask yourself why so many people world wide do have an interest in G.W.Bush. At the same time maybe you should also ask why most people in the US can't see beyond their own 4 walls.

[BEENTHEREDONETHAT]

Can't believe anyone thinks GWB has done a good or even mediocre job as president. All you have to do is look at the US prior to him being in office and then look at it now. Can't think of a single good thing he has done in almost 8 years.

[britmaveric]

^Because they have no say in Yank Politics and that pisses them off. Piss off comes to mind!!!

[britmaveric]

PRESIDENT BUSH'S AMAZING ACCOMPLISHMENTS

Abortion & Traditional Values

1. Banned Partial Birth Abortion — by far the most significant roll-back of abortion on demand since Roe v. Wade.

2. Reversed Clinton's move to strike Reagan's anti-abortion Mexico Policy.

3. By Executive Order (EO), reversed Clinton's policy of not requiring parental consent for abortions under the Medical Privacy Act.

4. By EO, prohibited federal funds for international family planning groups that provide abortions and related services.

5. Upheld the ban on abortions at military hospitals.

6. Made $33 million available for abstinence education programs in 2004.

7. Supports the Defense of Marriage Act — and a Constitutional amendment saying marriage is between one man and one woman.

8. Requires states to conduct criminal background checks on prospective foster and adoptive parents.

9. Requires districts to let students transfer out of dangerous schools.

10. Requires schools to have a zero-tolerance policy for classroom disruption (reintroducing discipline into classrooms).

11. Signed the Teacher Protection Act, which protects teachers from lawsuits related to student discipline.

12. Expanded the role of faith-based and community organizations in after-school programs.

Budget, Taxes & Economy

1. Signed two income tax cuts, one of which was the largest dollar-value tax cut in world history.

2. Supports permanent elimination of the death tax.

3. Turned around an inherited economy that was in recession, and deeply shocked as a result of the 9/11 attacks.

4. Is seeking legislation to amend the Constitution to give the president line-item veto authority.

5. In process of permanently eliminating IRS marriage penalty.

6. Increased small business incentives to expand and to hire new people.

7. Initiated discussion on privatizing Social Security and individual investment accounts.

8. Killed Clinton's "ergonomic" rules that OSHA was about to implement; rules would have shut down every home business in America.

9. Passed tough new laws to hold corporate criminals to account as a result of corporate scandals.

10. Reduced taxes on dividends and capital gains.

11. Signed trade promotion authority.

12. Reduced and is working to ultimately eliminate the estate tax for family farms and ranches.

13. Fight Europe's ban on importing biotech crops from the United States.

14. Exempt food from unilateral trade sanctions and embargoes.

15. Provided $20 million to states to help people with disabilities work from home.

16. Created a fund to encourage technologies that help the disabled.

17. Increased the annual contribution limit on Education IRA's from $500 to $2,000 per child.

18. Make permanent the $5,000 adoption tax credit and provide $1 billion over five years to increase the credit to $10,000.

19. Grant a complete tax exemption for prepaid or college tuition savings plans.

20. Reduced H1B visas from a high of 195,000 per year to 66,000 per year.

Character & Conduct as President

1. Changed the tone in the White House, restoring HONOR and DIGNITY to the presidency.

2. Has reintroduced the mention of God and faith into public discourse.

3. Handled himself with enormous courage, dignity, grace, determination, and leadership in the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 hijackings and anthrax attacks. He almost single-handedly held this country together during those searing days:

Just three days after the attacks, in his address at the National Cathedral, the President reassured the nation when he said: "War has been waged against us by stealth and deceit and murder. This nation is peaceful, but fierce when stirred to anger. This conflict was begun on the timing and terms of others. It will end in a way, and at an hour, of our choosing."

On Friday, September 14, 2001, President Bush visited Ground Zero. Standing on a crushed and burned fire engine atop the smoldering pile at Ground Zero, he put his arm around a retired firefighter who had volunteered to help, and began speaking to the crowd. Rescue workers shouted that they could not hear him. Someone handed him a small American flag and bullhorn. The President spontaneously shouted: "I can hear you. The rest of the world hears you. And the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon." The crowd roared with cheers and chants of "USA! USA! USA!" Then he raised that American flag and rallied a nation.

Education & Employment Training

1. Signed the No Child Left Behind Act, delivering the most dramatic education reforms in a generation (challenging the soft bigotry of low expectations). The very liberal California Teachers union is currently running radio ads against the accountability provisions of this Act.

2. Announced "Jobs for the 21st Century," a comprehensive plan to better prepare workers for jobs in the new millennium by strengthening post-secondary education and job training, and by improving high school education.

3. Is working to provide vouchers to low-income students in persistently failing schools to help with costs of attending private schools. (Blocked in the Senate.)

4. Requires annual reading and math tests in grades three through eight.

5. Requires states to participate in the National Assessment of Education Progress, or an equivalent program, to establish a national benchmark for academic performance.

6. Requires school-by-school accountability report cards.

7. Established a $2.4 billion fund to help states implement teacher accountability systems.

8. Increased funding for the Troops-to-Teachers program, which recruits former military personnel to become teachers.

Environment & Energy

1. Killed the Kyoto Global Warming Treaty.

2. Submitted a comprehensive Energy Plan (awaits Congressional action). The plan works to develop cleaner technology, produce more natural gas here at home, make America less dependent on foreign sources of energy, improve national grid, etc.

3. Established a $10 million grant program to promote private conservation initiatives.

4. Significantly eased field-testing controls of genetically engineered crops.

5. Changed parts of the Forestry Management Act to allow necessary cleanup of the national forests in order to reduce fire danger.

6. Part of national forests cleanup: Restricted judicial challenges (based on the Endangered Species Act and other challenges), and removed the need for an Environmental Impact Statement before removing fuels/logging to reduce fire danger.

7. Killed Clinton's CO2 rules that were choking off all of the electricity surplus to California.

8. Provided matching grants for state programs that help private landowners protect rare species.

Defense & Foreign Policy

1. Successfully executed two wars in the aftermath of 9/11/01: Afghanistan and Iraq. 50 million people who had lived under tyrannical regimes now live in freedom.

2. Saddam Hussein is now in prison. His two murderous sons are dead. All but a handful of the regime's senior members were killed or captured.

3. Leader by leader and member by member, al Maida is being hunted down in dozens of countries around the world. Of the senior al Qaeda leaders, operational managers, and key facilitators the U.S. Government has been tracking, nearly two-thirds have been taken into custody or killed. The detentions or deaths of senior al Qaeda leaders, including Khalid Shaykh Muhammad, the mastermind of 9/11, and Muhammad Atef, Osama bin Laden's second-in-command until his death in late 2001, have been important in the War on Terror.

4. Disarmed Libya of its chemical, nuclear and biological WMD's without bribes or bloodshed.

5. Continues to execute the War On Terror, getting worldwide cooperation to track funds/terrorists. Has cut off much of the terrorists' funding, and captured or killed many key leaders of the al Qaeda network.

6. Initiated a comprehensive review of our military, which was completed just prior to 9/11/01, and which accurately reported that ASYMMETRICAL WARFARE capabilities were critical in the 21st Century.

7. Killed the old US/Soviet Union ABM Treaty that was preventing the U.S. from deploying our ABM defenses.

8. Has been one of the strongest, if not THE strongest friend Israel has ever hand in the U.S. presidency.

9. Part of the coalition for an Israeli/Palestinian "Roadmap to Peace," along with Great Britain, Russia and the EU.

10. Pushed through THREE raises for our military. Increased military pay by more than $1 billion a year.

11. Signed the LARGEST nuclear arms reduction in world history with Russia.

12. Started withdrawing our troops from Bosnia, and has announced withdrawal of our troops from Germany and the Korean DMZ.

13. Prohibited putting U.S. troops under U.N. command.

14. Paid back UN dues only in return for reforms and reduction of U.S. share of the costs.

15. Earmarked at least 20 percent of the Defense procurement budget for next-generation weaponry.

16. Increased defense research and development spending by at least $20 billion from fiscal 2002 to 2006.

17. Ordered a comprehensive review of military weapons and strategy.

18. Ordered a review of overseas deployments.

19. Ordered renovation of military housing. The military has already upgraded about 10 percent of its inventory and expects to modernize 76,000 additional homes this year.

20. Is working to tighten restrictions on military-technology exports.

21. Brought back our EP-3 intel plane and crew from China without any bribes or bloodshed.

Globalization & Internationalism

1. Challenged the United Nations to live up to their responsibilities and not become another League of Nations (in other words, showed the UN to be completely irrelevant).

2. Killed U.S. involvement in the International Criminal Court.

3. Told the United Nations we weren't interested in their plans for gun control (i.e., the International Ban on Small Arms Trafficking Treaty).

4. The only President since the founding of the UN to essentially tell that organization it is irrelevant. He said: "The conduct of the Iraqi regime is a threat to the authority of the United Nations, and a threat to peace. Iraq has answered a decade of UN demands with a decade of defiance. All the world now faces a test, and the United Nations a difficult and defining moment. Are Security Council resolutions to be honored and enforced, or cast aside without consequence? Will the United Nations serve the purpose of its founding, or will it be irrelevant?" We all know the outcome and the answer.

5. Told the Congress and the world, "America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our country."

Government Reform

1. Improved government efficiency by putting hundreds of thousands of jobs put up for bid. This weakens public-sector unions and cuts undeserved pay raises.

2. Initiated review of all federal agencies with the goal of eliminating federal jobs (completed September 2003) in an effort to reduce the size of the federal government while increasing private sector jobs.

3. Led the most extensive reorganization the Federal bureaucracy in over 50 years: After 9/11, condensed 20+ overlapping agencies and their intelligence sectors into one agency, the Department of Homeland Security.

4. Ordered each agency to draft a five-year plan to restructure itself, with fewer managers.

5. Converted federal service contracts to performance-based contracts wherever possible so that the contractor has measurable performance goals.

Health

1. Strengthen the National Health Service Corps to put more physicians in the neediest areas, and make its scholarship funds tax-free.

2. Double the research budget of the National Institutes of Health.

3. Signed Medicare Reform, which includes:

A 10-year privatization option.

Prescription drug benefits: Prior to this reform, Medicare paid for extended hospital stays for ulcer surgery, for example, at a cost of about $28,000 per patient. Yet Medicare would not pay for the drugs that eliminate the cause of most ulcers, drugs that cost about $500 a year. Now, drug coverage under Medicare will allow seniors to replace more expensive surgeries and hospitalizations with less expensive prescription medicine.

More health care choices: As President Bush stated, "…when seniors have the ability to make choices, health care plans within Medicare will have to compete for their business by offering higher quality service [at lower cost]. For the seniors of America, more choices and more control will mean better health care. These are the kinds of health care options we give to the members of Congress and federal employees. What's good for members of Congress is also good for seniors.

New Health Savings Accounts: Effective January 1, 2004, Americans can set aside up to $4,500 every year, tax free, to save for medical expenses. Depending on your tax bracket, that means you'll save between 10 to 35 percent on any costs covered by money in your account. Every year, the money not spent would stay in the account and gain interest tax-free, just like an IRA. These accounts will be good for small business owners, and employees. More businesses can focus on covering workers for major medical problems, such as hospitalization for an injury or illness. At the same time, employees and their families will use these accounts to cover doctors visits, or lab tests, or other smaller costs. Some employers will contribute to employee health accounts. This will help more American families get the health care they need at the price they can afford.

Homeland Security, Border Enforcement & Immigration

1. *See Government Reform above. Under President Bush's leadership, America has made an unprecedented commitment to homeland security.

2. Has CONSTRUCTION in process on the first 10 ABM silos in Alaska so that America will have a defense against North Korean nukes. Has ordered national and theater ballistic missile defenses to be deployed by 2004.

3. Announced a 9.7% increase in government-wide homeland security funding in his FY 2005 budget, nearly tripling the FY 2001 levels (excluding the Department of Defense and Project BioShield).

4. Before DHS was created, there were inspectors from three different agencies of the Federal Government and Border Patrol officers protecting our borders. Through DHS, U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) now consolidates all border activities into a single agency to create "one face at the border." This not only better secures the borders of the United States, but it also eliminates many of the inefficiencies that occurred under the old system. With over 18,000 CBP inspectors and 11,000 Border Patrol agents, CBP has 29,000 uniformed officers on our borders.

5. The Border Patrol is continuing installation of monitoring devices along the borders to detect illegal activity.

6. Launched Operation Tarmac to investigate businesses and workers in the secure areas of domestic airports and ensure immigration law compliance. Since 9/11, DHS has audited 3,640 businesses, examined 259,037 employee records, arrested 1,030 unauthorized workers, and participated in the criminal indictment of 774 individuals.

7. Since September 11, 2001, the Coast Guard has conducted more than 124,000 port security patrols, 13,000 air patrols, boarded more than 92,000 vessels, interdicted over 14,000 individuals attempting to enter the United States illegally, and created and maintained more than 90 Maritime Security Zones.

8. Announced the Student and Exchange Visitor Information System (SEVIS), an internet-based system that is improving America's ability to track and monitor foreign students and exchange visitors. Over 870,000 students are registered in SEVIS. Of 285 completed field investigations, 71 aliens were arrested.

9. This week, the US-VISIT program began to digitally collect biometric identifiers to record the entry and exit of aliens who travel into the U.S on a visa. Together with the standard information, this new program will confirm compliance with visa and immigration policies.

10. Eliminated INS bureaucratic redundancies and lack of accountability.

11. Split the Immigration and Naturalization Service into two agencies: one to protect the border and interior, the other to deal with naturalization.

12. Signed the workplace verification bill to prevent hiring of illegal aliens.

13. Established a six-month deadline for processing immigration applications.

14. Information regarding nearly 100% of all containerized cargo is carefully screened by DHS before it arrives in the United States. Higher risk shipments are physically inspected for terrorist weapons and contraband prior to being released from the port of entry. Advanced technologies are being deployed to identify warning signs of chemical, biological, or radiological attacks. Since September 11, 2001, hundreds of thousands of first responders across America have been trained to recognize and respond to the effects of a WMD attack.

Judiciary & Tort Reform

1. Is urging federal liability reform to eliminate frivolous lawsuits.

2. Killed the liberal ABA's unconstitutional role in vetting federal judges. The Senate is supposed to advise and consent, not the ABA.

3. Is nominating strong, conservative judges to the judiciary.

4. Supports class action reform bill which limits lawyer fees so that more settlement money goes to victims.

Politics

1. His leadership resulted in Republican gains in the House and Senate, solidifying Republican control of both houses of Congress and the presidency.

2. Signed an EO enforcing the Supreme Court's Beck decision regarding union dues being used for political campaigns against individual's wishes.

Second Amendment

1. Ordered Attorney General Ashcroft to formally notify the Supreme Court that the OFFICIAL U.S. government position on the 2nd Amendment is that it supports INDIVIDUAL rights to own firearms, and is NOT a Leftist-imagined "collective" right.

2. Signed TWO bills into law that arm our pilots with handguns in the cockpit.

3. Currently pushing for full immunity from lawsuits for our national gun manufacturers.

4. *See Globalization & Internationalism.

Traditional Values, Compassion & Volunteerism

1. Endorses and promotes "The Responsibility Era." President Bush often speaks of the necessity of personal responsibility and civic volunteerism. He said, "In a compassionate society, people respect one another and take responsibility for the decisions they make in life. My hope is to change the culture from one that has said, if it feels good, do it; if you've got a problem, blame somebody else — to one in which every single American understands that he or she is responsible for the decisions that you make; you're responsible for loving your children with all your heart and all your soul; you're responsible for being involved with the quality of the education of your children; you're responsible for making sure the community in which you live is safe; you're responsible for loving your neighbor, just like you would like to be loved yourself."

2. Started the USA Freedom Corps, the most comprehensive clearinghouse of volunteer opportunities ever offered. For the first time in history, Americans can enter geographic information about where they want to get involved, such as state or zip code, as well as areas of interest ranging from education to the environment, and they can access volunteer opportunities offered by more than 50,000 organizations across the country and around the world.

3. Established the The White House Office and the Centers for the Faith-Based and Community Initiative — located in seven Federal agencies. The faith-based initiative supports the essential work of these important organizations. The goal is to make sure that grassroots leaders can compete on an equal footing for federal dollars, receive greater private support, and face fewer bureaucratic barriers. Work focuses on at-risk youth, ex-offenders, the homeless and hungry, substance abusers, those with HIV/AIDS, and welfare-to-work families.

4. The White House released a guidebook fully describing the Administration's belief that faith-based groups have a Constitutionally-protected right to maintain their religious identity through hiring — even when Federal funds are involved.

5. Issued an EO implementing the Supreme Court's Olmstead ruling, which requires moving disabled people from institutions to community-based facilities when possible.

6.Increased funding for low-interest loan programs to help people with disabilities purchase devices to assist them.

7. Revised the Department of Housing and Urban Development's Section 8 rent subsidies to disabled people, permitting them to use up to a year's worth of vouchers to finance down payments on homes. HUD has started pilot programs in 11 states.

8. Committed US funds to purchase medicine for millions of men, women and children now suffering with AIDS in Africa.

9. Heeding the words of our own Declaration of Independence, the president laid out the non-negotiable demands of human dignity for all people everywhere. On January 29, 2002, he said, "No nation owns these aspirations, and no nation is exempt from them. We have no intention of imposing our culture. But America will always stand firm for the non-negotiable demands of human dignity." As stated by the President, they are a virtual manifesto of conservative principles.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1163304/posts

[jfchandler]

PRESIDENT BUSH'S AMAZING ACCOMPLISHMENTS

Brit, you're certainly entitled to have and express your views...

But, I'd dare say, never before in the history of TV has such an extensive load of C**P ever been posted here as the recitation listed above... I wouldn't want to tarnish the web by re-quoting all of the above...

Suffice to say... the list has him taking credit for turning around an economy he inherited in recession.....

It's just not worth more comment than that....

[britmaveric]

^ Well take it for what its worth!! He's alright lad in my book and far better president than most think. :D

[PeaceBlondie]

I am deleting nothing but we keep getting way off topic.

[britmaveric]

PB - Not surprising with the amount of yank president bashing!!!

[Shotime]

What is the topic? Oh yeh, the Interview.

I just got finished reading a 6 page topic which also dissolved into a US bashing, and then found it closed. I didn't have a chance to bash, and there was a lot of material there. It took me some time to read it all.

Let's see, what can I write that will close this one? I love the good old, and Bush is still an idiot. Why does the rest of the world envy and try to imitate the culture, yet have nothing good to say about it? I'm pretty much an ignoramus, but I couldn't tell you who are the fearless leaders of most of Europe, all of the East (except Thailand), and the rest of the world. I know what the leader of France looks like, but I can't remember his name. I have trouble remembering France at all. I guess the only bad press is no press. I wonder what the take of GW is on Entertainment Tonight.

Edited August 2, 2008 by Shotime

[mizzi39]

Im surprised he knew Thailand was actually a county. Im impressed

Funny how so many people all over the world have an opinion of the president of my country.

I had a conversation with a man from Sweden some time ago, in some bar in Suk Soi 4. It went something like this:

Swedish guy: "Oh, you are from America?"

Me: "Yes I am"

Swedish guy: "That George Bush, he should not be president, blah blah blah blah blah..."

Me: "Thanks for your opinion, but it really means nothing because you cannot vote for or against him anyway...same as I have no say in choosing the leader of your country."

(continuing)"I will be honest with you, George Bush would not have been my first choice either. But he was the lesser of two evils, in my opinion."

(continuing)"I do find it interesting that you know who the leader of my country is, and have such a strong opinion about him. At the same time, I do not know and do not give a shit who the leader of your country is."

That was the end of the political conversation...we went on to other topics and had a very nice chat over a few beers.

Maybe you should ask yourself why so many people world wide do have an interest in G.W.Bush. At the same time maybe you should also ask why most people in the US can't see beyond their own 4 walls.

Being an American I will say That GWB will probably go down as the worst president the U.S.has ever had (Nixon being right behind). I did not vote for him, therefore I take no responsibility for him being voted into office. Now with that said I truly get bored reading those trashy U.S. "bashing" comments that some TV members (especially the Brits and Aussies) like to throw around on this forum. The U.S. is not even 250 years old and has built itself as the biggest super power the world has ever seen, So although I respect (almost) ALL nations and cultures If you want to trash our (current) president I can personally accept that, but please lay off of the U.S. and its citizens, because like it or not you need us more than we need you! Sorry for getting off topic!

Edited August 2, 2008 by mizzi39

[CCCP]

There is nothing wrong with the US people or the country. The administration is the problem. It is more bent than any other government along side the UK.

[BEENTHEREDONETHAT]

The list Brit provided is a great explaination as to why the US has a 52trillion dollar debt. Spending money like there is no tomorrow did not help the country. He spent more in his 8 years than ALL the other presidents combined spent.

He did achieve bankrupting the US. I was looking for things he did that were good for the country and giving away our kids future is not in my mind good.

Note that I am not bashing the US just the idiot in charge.

[calibanjr.]

After more than 7 years in office, Bush does interviews fairly well. He knew about Thailand. Did you like his reason for delivering a major speech about East Asia in a minor country? Notice he said nothing about the coup, now that Thailand has a constitutional democracy in place again, such as it is. Did the reporter from either newspaper ask some tough questions, or were they polite in a Thai way? Did Bush respect the press far more than Thaksin or Samak ever have? Notice he said nothing about Thaksin, at least in the first interview.

I would like to take part in a discussion about the topic, which is the two interviews. I do not intend to moderate this discussion, but about 25 other moderators and admins may.

Hi PB, always dicey to compliment W. on things he doesn't mention. Never know whether it's delicacy, forgetfulness, or complete lack of awareness. My guess is generally on the second or third cause.

[Jingthing]

Actually he is a hero to most people

Briitty, I don't know who your "most people" is but in polling of Americans, he now has the LOWEST approval ratings of any president in the history of doing polls. Some hero. He's a dog, a dud, an un-convicted war criminal ... He failed at every job in his life. Why the American people gave him the chance (even accounting for the fact that he didn't win the first election) is a shame to my country, a dark mark. We must move on and the country already sees him as OVER.

Edited August 2, 2008 by Jingthing

[mgjackson69]

Im surprised he knew Thailand was actually a county. Im impressed

Funny how so many people all over the world have an opinion of the president of my country.

I had a conversation with a man from Sweden some time ago, in some bar in Suk Soi 4. It went something like this:

Swedish guy: "Oh, you are from America?"

Me: "Yes I am"

Swedish guy: "That George Bush, he should not be president, blah blah blah blah blah..."

Me: "Thanks for your opinion, but it really means nothing because you cannot vote for or against him anyway...same as I have no say in choosing the leader of your country."

(continuing)"I will be honest with you, George Bush would not have been my first choice either. But he was the lesser of two evils, in my opinion."

(continuing)"I do find it interesting that you know who the leader of my country is, and have such a strong opinion about him. At the same time, I do not know and do not give a shit who the leader of your country is."

That was the end of the political conversation...we went on to other topics and had a very nice chat over a few beers.

Maybe you should ask yourself why so many people world wide do have an interest in G.W.Bush. At the same time maybe you should also ask why most people in the US can't see beyond their own 4 walls.

Funny how the rest of the world likes to disparage the US...but who do they come to when they want help, or just a handout???

[mgjackson69]

The list Brit provided is a great explaination as to why the US has a 52trillion dollar debt. Spending money like there is no tomorrow did not help the country. He spent more in his 8 years than ALL the other presidents combined spent.

He did achieve bankrupting the US. I was looking for things he did that were good for the country and giving away our kids future is not in my mind good.

Note that I am not bashing the US just the idiot in charge.

A short lesson in US government: The President does not spend money, Congress spends the money.

[Ulysses G.]

The Democratic Congress.

[BEENTHEREDONETHAT]

The list Brit provided is a great explaination as to why the US has a 52trillion dollar debt. Spending money like there is no tomorrow did not help the country. He spent more in his 8 years than ALL the other presidents combined spent.

He did achieve bankrupting the US. I was looking for things he did that were good for the country and giving away our kids future is not in my mind good.

Note that I am not bashing the US just the idiot in charge.

A short lesson in US government: The President does not spend money, Congress spends the money.

The majority of Britmaveric list is comprised of spending money, are you saying that the credit Brit is trying to give to Bush should be going to Congress???????

[Jingthing]

Bush bashing is so last year. Time to move on. He is a total lame duck. Time to look to the future to clean up his mess.

Quack Quack

Edited August 2, 2008 by Jingthing

[mgjackson69]

The list Brit provided is a great explaination as to why the US has a 52trillion dollar debt. Spending money like there is no tomorrow did not help the country. He spent more in his 8 years than ALL the other presidents combined spent.

He did achieve bankrupting the US. I was looking for things he did that were good for the country and giving away our kids future is not in my mind good.

Note that I am not bashing the US just the idiot in charge.

A short lesson in US government: The President does not spend money, Congress spends the money.

The majority of Britmaveric list is comprised of spending money, are you saying that the credit Brit is trying to give to Bush should be going to Congress???????

Any credit or blame due does not go to the Executive Branch, nor the Legislative Branch, exclusively, but is shared between the two.

[britmaveric]

Think history will be kind and rate Bush as one of the best. Nixon was also a great yank pressie - absolute worst was Carter.

[Ulysses G.]

absolute worst was Carter.

Peanut brain!

[mgjackson69]

Britmaveric >absolute worst was Carter.

"Worst" is somewhat subjective...it depends upon what you are looking for in a President. My grandfather likely would say Hoover was the worst... for those less-versed in US history, he was president 1929-1933, "led" USA into the Great Depression.

Looking at the US presidents since I was born (1962), I would certainly classify James Earl Carter as the most ineffective president. Iran held him over a barrel for a year with the "hostage crisis"...after Ronald Reagan was elected, the hostages were released...quite the slap in the face to Carter.

Nixon's downfall was vanity and carelessness on his part. He was recording everything he did "for posterity", but was too careless and did not erase the entire relevant tape.

Next on the ineffective list would have to be Gerald Ford. He *probably* would have won re-election in 1976 had he delayed the pardon of Richard Nixon until after the election. To his credit, Ford did inherit the "economic hangover" from the Vietnam War.

Edited August 2, 2008 by mgjackson69

[calibanjr.]

absolute worst was Carter.

Peanut brain!

Britmaveric's a good sort, but he's quoting from freerepublic now, so not worth the commentary on this subject so much, Georgie.

[Ulysses G.]

I often agree with britmaverick and I certainly agree on Jimmy Carter. Jimmy Carter is a first class fool in my book!

[britmaveric]

^indeed Cater makes GWB look like Lincoln in comparison.

[OriginalPoster]

Think history will be kind and rate Bush as one of the best. Nixon was also a great yank pressie - absolute worst was Carter.

I suppose that the only two possibilities are that Bush will be considered one of the worst or one of the best. Him being judged as one of the worst seems a better bet right now, but on the other hand, Truman was considered to be a clod while he was still in office and until Bush, no president in history had been criticised so fiercely by the press than Lincoln. Bush's place in history all depends on what happens over the next 10 years or so, not upon what people think now.

Edited August 2, 2008 by OriginalPoster

[OriginalPoster]

Britmaveric >absolute worst was Carter.

"Worst" is somewhat subjective...it depends upon what you are looking for in a President. My grandfather likely would say Hoover was the worst... for those less-versed in US history, he was president 1929-1933, "led" USA into the Great Depression.

Looking at the US presidents since I was born (1962), I would certainly classify James Earl Carter as the most ineffective president. Iran held him over a barrel for a year with the "hostage crisis"...after Ronald Reagan was elected, the hostages were released...quite the slap in the face to Carter.

Nixon's downfall was vanity and carelessness on his part. He was recording everything he did "for posterity", but was too careless and did not erase the entire relevant tape.

Next on the ineffective list would have to be Gerald Ford. He *probably* would have won re-election in 1976 had he delayed the pardon of Richard Nixon until after the election. To his credit, Ford did inherit the "economic hangover" from the Vietnam War.

Ford was an anomoly, he was selected as Vice President under Nixon after Agnew resigned and he needed to be confirmed by the congress after Nixon nominated him. The calculation on Nixon's part was Ford was bland yet well-respected enough that democrats (who controlled the congress) would confirm him. The calculation of the part of Congressional democrats was that Ford was so bland that he would be no threat in the 1976 election even if he ascended to the presidency. That Ford almost won in 1976 was amazing considering that it was the first election after the fall of Richard Nixon, that the Carter won by a small margin was a testiment to Carter's ineffectivemenss. By rights it should have been a landslide.

Edited August 2, 2008 by OriginalPoster