Resident Permit

[Billion]

My Thai friend who is a lawyer in bkk said that he could fix a resident permit for me.

Should I believe him! I have 5 year unbroken stay based on marriage to Thai woman.

What’s your idea about this, should I hang out or forget it...

I speak little Thai and have no criminal records and so on..

[Briggsy]

How much Thai income tax have you paid in that time?

[astral]

Briggsy's point about tax is very relevant.

PR normally requires a good tax record.

However your lawyer may have "influence" and be able to assist you.

Ask if he guarantees the PR and how much it will cost.

[Billion]

Thanks.

No Thai income tax paid, I use the 400k option (grandfathered)

Can I apply for RP without being a tax income payer in Thailand?

[Lite Beer]

Thanks.

No Thai income tax paid, I use the 400k option (grandfathered)

Can I apply for RP without being a tax income payer in Thailand?

No. You need a good record of tax payments.

[astral]

My understanding is that you can ask, but there is little chance of success

That is why you need to ask the lawyer if he is offering a "special" service

or just a routine application.

I never bothered, as all my income comes from overseas.

[Maizefarmer]

Based just on what you have said about yourself I would have thought your chances are pretty slim - and as for "fixing" PR - mmmm, 20 years ago yes, I would have believed it, but nowadays - nope: there are so many folk each year with pretty good reasons many of them, that to get things "fixed" for you I would have thought would take quite a bit clout and influence - and you have said nothing about this lawyers's influence or connection's (just what are they - do you know?)

[Billion]

Based just on what you have said about yourself I would have thought your chances are pretty slim - and as for "fixing" PR - mmmm, 20 years ago yes, I would have believed it, but nowadays - nope: there are so many folk each year with pretty good reasons many of them, that to get things "fixed" for you I would have thought would take quite a bit clout and influence - and you have said nothing about this lawyers's influence or connection's (just what are they - do you know?)

Thanks,

Yes he said fix RP for me. I will speak to him again soon.

He’s a very busy man and I want not to disturb him too much.

I know that his younger brother work for the new PPP government.

The third elderly brother owns several companies in Thailand and work

close to the younger brother and my dear friend (lawyer)

They are my best neighbors, Influence or not, I don't know!

[monty]

I very much doubt PR can be "fixed" as too many departments and too many officials are involved. There's a gazillion pieces of paper, all to be signed and countersigned by dozens of officials...

Plus the final approval is with the Minister of Interior who will have his minions go over all the details before he signs anything of!

[astral]

I disagree.

Anything can be "fixed" if you know the right people and pay the necessary "tea money".

The advances of time have just made it more expensive.

[bravingbangkok]

Thanks.

No Thai income tax paid, I use the 400k option (grandfathered)

Can I apply for RP without being a tax income payer in Thailand?

No. You need a good record of tax payments.

I should be getting mine next year with no tax payments ever but rather 4 years of non immi 0 extensions 400 000 bank credit, wife and kid. My immi officer has assured me that having a kid goes a very very very very very long way.

It is good if you try and build a personal relationship with the immi officer , Mine knows everything about my life and I always go to the immi office with my wife and kid and the odd pres brought back from London has always gone a long way with her

[Artisi]

I should be getting mine next year with no tax payments ever but rather 4 years of non immi 0 extensions 400 000 bank credit, wife and kid. My immi officer has assured me that having a kid goes a very very very very very long way.

It is good if you try and build a personal relationship with the immi officer , Mine knows everything about my life and I always go to the immi office with my wife and kid and the odd pres brought back from London has always gone a long way with her

Don't hold your breath for it, owning to the fact that immigration have nothing to do with PR other than processing the application paper work.

[bravingbangkok]

Don't hold your breath for it, owning to the fact that immigration have nothing to do with PR other than processing the application paper work.

No doubt, I am very anxious over it but I have a few things up my sleeve that should help secure it. However you never know with the gov of Thailand hey

[younghusband]

Don't hold your breath for it, owning to the fact that immigration have nothing to do with PR other than processing the application paper work.

No doubt, I am very anxious over it but I have a few things up my sleeve that should help secure it. However you never know with the gov of Thailand hey

If you have no tax record your chances of PR success are zero.I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news.Cultivating junior officials through gifts etc at Immigration is pointless and possibly counterproductive.Pleasant good manners are all that is needed.Astral may be right in a very general sense but as far as PR is concerned he is wrong and Monty is right.As to Billion's application suggest put it to the lawyer who says he can "fix" it that his fee is only payable when all processes have been successfully completed.

[astral]

For the lawyer to be successful, I would expect him to have contacts

way above the local immigration office level.

[younghusband]

For the lawyer to be successful, I would expect him to have contacts

way above the local immigration office level.

The PR system works very clearly and transparently with well established criteria, the details being set out in Camerata's excellent briefing.If a candidate meets those criteria he or she will almost certainly be approved by Immigration for on passing to the Ministry Of Interior.Influence, doucements, sweeteners, contacts etc etc are not required to process this within Immigration in Bangkok.(I don't think PR can be processed at local offices).The system works well and without corruption.If you are saying a lawyer can influence the Ministry Of Interior i would be very dubious.Why on earth anyway should any high official feel the need to do a favour for some obscure farang?

People always assume that the Thai bureaucracy is open to bribes.I think that in the case of PR applications that's just plain wrong

[Soutpeel]

The system works well and without corruption

Yeah right....

[rixalex]

People always assume that the Thai bureaucracy is open to bribes.

There's a well-founded reason for that. It is. Just about knowing the right people.

[Billion]

Thanks again,

My chances are small about RP because not being a tax payer!

How about this: He said again this evening *Lawyer* he will fix the RP for me.

He said: Don’t worry my brother knows the ministers in the cabinet and he

will recommend approving my application to the minister.

About the payment to my friend *lawyer*: free of charge.

I will pay the app fee and the RP fee, that’s all.

If he not succeeds I will lose the fees, right?

[Maestro]

If RP is not approved you lose only the application fee.

Ministers come and go every so often.

--

Maestro

[younghusband]

Thanks again,

My chances are small about RP because not being a tax payer!

How about this: He said again this evening *Lawyer* he will fix the RP for me.

He said: Don’t worry my brother knows the ministers in the cabinet and he

will recommend approving my application to the minister.

About the payment to my friend *lawyer*: free of charge.

I will pay the app fee and the RP fee, that’s all.

If he not succeeds I will lose the fees, right?

If (a) you don't qualify by reason of not having paid tax for at least three years and ( don't have to pay any lawyer's fee, I suppose you have nothing to lose.However don't hold your breath.

[astral]

Go for it.

The application fee is small enough to take the risk.

[Soutpeel]

Don't worry my brother knows the ministers in the cabinet and he

will recommend approving my application to the minister.

If he not succeeds I will lose the fees, right?

How will he know which minister or which cabinet is in power at the time considering the constant state of flux in Thai politics

Yes you will loose your fees....

I really hope it works out for you, but have a feeling the guy may be blowing smoke up your a*se....Generally when a Thai says to me dont worry...thats when I start worrying....

[ubonjoe]

Just getting the application in could be problem without a tax paid income. For a PR baseed upon marriage it appears to be etched in stone that you have to have show a tax paid 30,000 a month for the previous two years to meet the application requiremnents.

[astral]

Just getting the application in could be problem without a tax paid income. For a PR baseed upon marriage it appears to be etched in stone that you have to have show a tax paid 30,000 a month for the previous two years to meet the application requiremnents.

Let the lawyer worry about that.

The workings of Thai bureaucracy are truly miraculous.

[ubonjoe]

Just getting the application in could be problem without a tax paid income. For a PR baseed upon marriage it appears to be etched in stone that you have to have show a tax paid 30,000 a month for the previous two years to meet the application requiremnents.

Let the lawyer worry about that.

The workings of Thai bureaucracy are truly miraculous.

True

It just takes a handfull (or a bag) of baht.

[Artisi]

The whole system of vetting applicatins for PR is based on a point score. Bht 30 000/ month is a minimum and probably rates as about 1 on a scale of 10 - earning upward of 80 000 is considered worthy of a high score - having a kid helps - money in the bank is also subject to sliding point score, academic quals. are rated, etc etc - there are a few other considerations not necessarily out in the open and apparent that are also looked at - you need a minimum of 50 points before the application is forwarded on and thats just the start of the process -- plus would need access to more than 1 minister to even think that "someone" inside the system can help.

Put up your B 7600 application fee - immigration will happily take it as it's not refundable - only pay your lawyer on a result - then you can only be B 7600 plus incidentals out of pocket

[younghusband]

Just getting the application in could be problem without a tax paid income. For a PR baseed upon marriage it appears to be etched in stone that you have to have show a tax paid 30,000 a month for the previous two years to meet the application requiremnents.

Let the lawyer worry about that.

The workings of Thai bureaucracy are truly miraculous.

There is absolutely no evidence that applications for PR are subject to waiver of the most basic criteria.

[younghusband]

Just getting the application in could be problem without a tax paid income. For a PR baseed upon marriage it appears to be etched in stone that you have to have show a tax paid 30,000 a month for the previous two years to meet the application requiremnents.

Let the lawyer worry about that.

The workings of Thai bureaucracy are truly miraculous.

True

It just takes a handfull (or a bag) of baht.

Absolute rubbish and I am hoping someone with more authority on this forum will put an end to this nonsense.

[Billion]

Thanks everyone for helping me out!

I will go for the RP as my friend *lawyer* will help me, I have nothing to lose! Ok, I will lose the app fee if not succeeded.

I have arranged all the possible docs from abroad and all the possible docs from my marriage extension of stay in Thailand

and of cause a large bank account deposit. (*** millions of Baht)

I can speak and understand the Thai language fair enough and have knowledge about Thailand, half way the app, right!

I cannot show Thai income tax but I can show how much money I have bring into Thailand. It’s about 70k per month for a

period of two years and 450k annually per year last two years.

Yes, it’s going to be a hard time for me at Immigration and if I passed the Immigration the PPP gowentment can change

the cabinet ministers and of cause the whole gowentment can be resolved due to the unstable political crises in Thailand.

If not succeeded, I will go back to the 400k option as long as I can!