Police Fire Tear Gas At Protesters In Front Of Parliament

[sriracha john]

Committees to look into fatal street clashes

Questions remain over make-up of the panels

The Cabinet has set up two committees to investigate Tuesday's clash between supporters of the PAD and police, and work out a compensation scheme for people who were injured or died in the fighting. Members of both committees must be independent and neutral, PM Somchai said after the first Cabinet meeting since his government announced its policy platform in Parliament on Tuesday. "The nominations of the committees' members is expected to be concluded within two days," Somchai said. He did not elaborate on the process to select members of the committees. The first committee has been given the task of investigating the causes of violent clashes between police and PAD supporters in front of the parliament, which later spread to nearby areas. The second committee will evaluate the cost of damage and work out a compensation plan for those affected, including PAD supporters and members of the police force. The results of the investigations will be disclosed to the public. The PM said he was aware that the public had doubts about the incident. "I believe everything will become clearer and people will have no more doubts [about the clashes] after the investigation is completed," he said. Critics, however, have expressed concern over the selection process for committee members and their compositions. Angkhana Neelaphaijit, the Chairwoman of the Working Group on Justice for Peace, said even though she was content with the government's decision to form the two panels, she doubted if it would be able to find "truly neutral persons" to sit on the committees. To reduce the present political tension, Somchai should apologise to the people, especially the injured and families of the dead, she added.

Continued here:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/101008_News/10Oct2008_news13.php

Edited October 10, 2008 by sriracha john

[sriracha john]

More than one kind of tear gas was used

Tear gas which police showed the media was different from that used for dispersing protesters in Tuesday's clash at parliament, said an ammunition expert. "As far as I know, the one [shown to the press] was a US-imported tear gas grenade. But police used all kinds of tear gas rounds they had," said Amporn Jaruchinda, a former Forensic Science Bureau Director at the National Police Office. Two types of tear gas rounds - Chinese-made smoke and tear gas grenades, and US-imported tear gas grenades - were used in the clash. Police met the media to show the weapons they used. Each type of grenade produces different results. Tear gas from the US-made one would slowly leak from the grenade and was safer than the Chinese-made ones. The Chinese-made tear gas grenade could travel at a fast speed of 60 metres/sec after being fired. Such enormous momentum could possibly cause death if it exploded near protesters, he said. The type of grenades which police used during the clashes at the Royal Plaza and parliament raised suspicion. Police claimed they did not use lethal ammunition and accused protesters of possessing explosives, which could have gone off during the melee. Police Lieutenant-General Amporn discounted a theory that protesters may have carried explosives with them. People would have realised the explosives could hurt, maim or kill themselves. He believed police may not have been properly trained. Adhisabandh Chulakadabba, a surgeon at Chulalongkorn hospital, said some doctors had picked up warning labels from the protest site saying: "Do not fire directly as it could result in injury or death."

Continued here:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/101008_News/10Oct2008_news15.php

[sriracha john]

Government looks to be setting stage for poll

PPP shifts own people into vital governor spots

A general election could be called once the government has completed the reshuffle of provincial governors and local officials with ties to the ruling party, an informed source in the PPP said. The source said some key PPP members were involved in the preparation of the reshuffle list of 62 provincial governors and senior interior officials that were proposed to the Cabinet by Interior Minister Kowit Wattana. The key PPP members were former TRT Party Deputy Leader Yongyuth Tiyapairat (Banned from politics), PM Somchai Wongsawat's wife Yaowapa (Banned from politics), and Newin Chidchob (Banned from politics), who heads a PPP faction. "In the North, PPP key leaders have tried to appoint their own people as governors in every province in preparation for the general election. "They've been bargaining over the governor posts until last night [Tuesday]," said the source. He said Kowit had had a limited role in the reshuffle list. The Cabinet yesterday approved the reshuffle list of 62 provincial governors and C-10 level officials in the Interior Ministry during its first meeting since the government's policy announcement on Tuesday. According to Government Spokesman Nattawut Saikua, the Cabinet also agreed to assign the PM and certain Cabinet members to supervise what are called "administrative inspection zones," each of which encompasses several provinces, in the North, the stronghold of the PPP. Political observers viewed the move as preparation for the party's canvassing campaign for the next general election.

Continued here:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/101008_News/10Oct2008_news17.php

Edited October 10, 2008 by sriracha john

[jumnien]

A new election would be a wonderful idea. The PAD can clearly endorse a candidate and the Thai people will decide. I would not want to be the sorry sap that the PAD supported!

[catmac]

Agreed - but unfortunately you will never convince the non-thinking trolls who for some no good reason seem to enjoy lies and BS to get their kicks.

That's no way to talk about PAD's supporters, Artisi!

[sriracha john]

Chinese-made tear-gas may have caused severe injuries

Teargas canisters imported from China may have caused the severe wounds to victims injured during the police dispersal of anti-government protesters on Tuesday, a veteran forensic expert said yesterday.

Former Director of the Office of Police Forensic Science Amporn Jarujinda said Chinese teargas canisters generate a powerful explosive after being fired and drop to the ground before releasing the tear gas cloud.

"This was why many protesters received severe injuries and died," he said. "Chinese teargas canisters are not the same as those used in developed countries such as the US."

The explosives expert said American-made teargas canisters will not explode when hitting the ground, but slowly release the gas into the air. The Chinese canisters used to disperse the crowd on October 7 were 60 cms long and weighed 0.2 kilogram.

Their speed of 60 metres per second delivers a powerful blow to a target like the human body. "It could amputate and burn any part of a victim's body when it exploded," he said.

Amporn said doctors had told him they found fragments of plastic that covered teargas canisters in wounds, but not any metal fragments. "Therefore we could drop the point it was a bomb," he said. "Injuries might have been caused by teargas canisters."

Ampon's statement followed the report by the Thai Royal Police, which said protester Angkana "Bo" Radabpanyawut, who was killed, may have carried a bomb while walking to the Royal Plaza with her mother and younger sister.

Amporn said if it was a bomb, forensic experts would have found fragments of metal in her body; but they did not. "I do not have any opinion about this issue but I think members of the public already have the answer to Angkana's death," he said.

"The chemical compound forensic experts found on her body is the key to this question," he added. "We have to wait for the investigation's result."

Meanwhile, he urged police not to fire rubber bullets directly into the crowd; rather shoot into the air at a long distance to avoid accidents. He said that after viewing pictures of victims shown by a Chulalongkorn University doctor following clashes between police and demonstrators at Makkhawan Rangsan Bridge in September, he was convinced rubber bullets could penetrate the human body.

- The Nation / 2008-10-10

[catmac]

I am not trying to be sarcastic here. Where do you draw the line between Emergency or non-Emergency. Say for an example. Take the guy for have loss his leg. But I think he is not life threatening. He will survive even if his treatment is delay by say half and hour, the time taken for him to be transfer from Chula Hospital to Police Hospital 2 block down the road.

Please, I am not rude here or disrespect the injured. Please do not attack me personally. I just want to make a point. Where to you draw the line between Emergency or non-Emergency.

In all cases, the refusing doctor can claim that: “In my professional opinion, at the time of the incident, I deemed the situation non-Emergency. What happens after he/she left is beyond my control”.

The point exactly.

The original article was specifically referring to patients arriving at the hospital from the violent street confrontation, not some off-duty cop wandering into casualty with a pain in his back!

No amount of mealy-mouthed back-tracking or lame excuses can alter the fact that this man is a disgrace to his profession.

[Artisi]

Agreed - but unfortunately you will never convince the non-thinking trolls who for some no good reason seem to enjoy lies and BS to get their kicks.

That's no way to talk about PAD's supporters, Artisi!

Sorry but there is no second prize.

[sriracha john]

Daily Xpress

'WE ONLY USE TEAR GASES'

What lies behind these pictures?

A man with one hand torn off sitting on the ground with what looks like a grenade in the other hand. A mysterious man carrying a gun at Dusit Zoo. A policeman aiming a pistol at advancing protesters.

Images taken of Tuesday's protest that turned into a bloodbath have inflamed debate and deepened political divide. Who and what killed two people and caused several others to lose their limbs?

Police yesterday stood firm on their unsupported claims that the victims were either carrying explosives themselves or hit by "friendly fire" from other People's Alliance for Democracy members.

Two stories

"The deaths and injuries were not caused by police weapons. They were caused by bombs believed to be part of secret plans to inflame the police and create chaos," said Police Major-General Suraphon Thuanthong, Deputy Police Spokesman. But in a later interview he admitted that police fired a .38-calibre gun at a PAD protester who was trying to run a policeman over with a pickup truck.

In a separate interview, key PAD member Suriyasai Katasila said: "We are collecting photo and video evidence to show the public and use to back our legal action in the courts.

Dr Direk Pakapul, who treated the "sitting man with the grenade", unlocked the mystery yesterday, explaining that it was a key chain in the man's left palm, not a grenade. But police were quick to claim that another man whose right hand was mutilated could be one "Suchin Saengrin", a convicted robber and murderer from Nakhon Pathom. The man took the PAD stage on Wednesday to say that he lost the hand while throwing back a tear-gas canister at the police.

Horrific casualties

Calls are being made for an independent investigation. The PAD said that the police has cooked up claims of "friendly fire" or a "third party" as they could not otherwise explain the horrific casualties.

Some PAD sympathisers have suggested that a good way to prove what caused the deaths and loss of limbs would be to line up the senior police officers who defended the operation and fire the same made-in-China tear gas at them from similar distances and angles.

- Daily Xpress / 2008-10-10

[cmsally]

I am not trying to be sarcastic here. Where do you draw the line between Emergency or non-Emergency. Say for an example. Take the guy for have loss his leg. But I think he is not life threatening. He will survive even if his treatment is delay by say half and hour, the time taken for him to be transfer from Chula Hospital to Police Hospital 2 block down the road.

Please, I am not rude here or disrespect the injured. Please do not attack me personally. I just want to make a point. Where to you draw the line between Emergency or non-Emergency.

In all cases, the refusing doctor can claim that: “In my professional opinion, at the time of the incident, I deemed the situation non-Emergency. What happens after he/she left is beyond my control”.

The point exactly.

The original article was specifically referring to patients arriving at the hospital from the violent street confrontation, not some off-duty cop wandering into casualty with a pain in his back!

No amount of mealy-mouthed back-tracking or lame excuses can alter the fact that this man is a disgrace to his profession.

There was a sign clearly hung in the hospital that said. "We will not examine police or evil politicians" (presumably govt. ones). Now if they won't examine them how do they know whether those injuries are life threatening or not. In some cases you need an X ray or scan to see if it is, so little hope there. Also the march to police headquarters by Chula hospital staff would seem to cancel out any retraction they might have earlier made.

[sriracha john]

Or....

it reflects cooler heads by a far greater number of their staff to show their displeasure by the police tactics in a manner that does not impact on patient care.

Edited October 10, 2008 by sriracha john

[Ricardo]

TV said PAD kidnapped a police officer and tormented him for 18 hours?

Huh...?

Perhaps they spent 18 hours chatting to him, in an attempt to promote reconciliation, in line with PM Somchai's stated policy ? Ye gods ... the torment that might involve !

[AlKing]

I am not trying to be sarcastic here. Where do you draw the line between Emergency or non-Emergency. Say for an example. Take the guy for have loss his leg. But I think he is not life threatening. He will survive even if his treatment is delay by say half and hour, the time taken for him to be transfer from Chula Hospital to Police Hospital 2 block down the road.

Please, I am not rude here or disrespect the injured. Please do not attack me personally. I just want to make a point. Where to you draw the line between Emergency or non-Emergency.

In all cases, the refusing doctor can claim that: "In my professional opinion, at the time of the incident, I deemed the situation non-Emergency. What happens after he/she left is beyond my control".

The point exactly.

The original article was specifically referring to patients arriving at the hospital from the violent street confrontation, not some off-duty cop wandering into casualty with a pain in his back!

No amount of mealy-mouthed back-tracking or lame excuses can alter the fact that this man is a disgrace to his profession.

There was a sign clearly hung in the hospital that said. "We will not examine police or evil politicians" (presumably govt. ones). Now if they won't examine them how do they know whether those injuries are life threatening or not. In some cases you need an X ray or scan to see if it is, so little hope there. Also the march to police headquarters by Chula hospital staff would seem to cancel out any retraction they might have earlier made.

Do you have prove about the said sign? More importantly, is it put up by the hospital staff with the knowledge of the management? Or is it put up by some PAD jokers? It will be nice to have prove.

I am neutral here, and for the benefit of doubt, I would assume the latter (the act of some PAD jokers not related to the hospital). If you have prove that it is the act of the hospital staff and the management turn a blind eye on it, I will protest to the International Red Cross Society. MORE, I WILL BAR MY DAUGHTER FROM HER RED CROSS ACTIVITY IN HER SCHOOL. My annual donation to the Red Cross Society may be small and insignificant to them, but I will stop from now on.

[toybits]

I am not an expert on crowd control issues but I believe there is something very wrong with the statement highlighted in red below. A teargas canister that is 60 cm long would be longer than the gun they use to shoot it with....

Just goes to show that Media can and do make mistakes - some of them can be ignored but some mistakes are just howlers... like this one....

Chinese-made tear-gas may have caused severe injuries

Teargas canisters imported from China may have caused the severe wounds to victims injured during the police dispersal of anti-government protesters on Tuesday, a veteran forensic expert said yesterday.

Former Director of the Office of Police Forensic Science Amporn Jarujinda said Chinese teargas canisters generate a powerful explosive after being fired and drop to the ground before releasing the tear gas cloud.

"This was why many protesters received severe injuries and died," he said. "Chinese teargas canisters are not the same as those used in developed countries such as the US."

The explosives expert said American-made teargas canisters will not explode when hitting the ground, but slowly release the gas into the air. The Chinese canisters used to disperse the crowd on October 7 were 60 cms long and weighed 0.2 kilogram.

Their speed of 60 metres per second delivers a powerful blow to a target like the human body. "It could amputate and burn any part of a victim's body when it exploded," he said.

Amporn said doctors had told him they found fragments of plastic that covered teargas canisters in wounds, but not any metal fragments. "Therefore we could drop the point it was a bomb," he said. "Injuries might have been caused by teargas canisters."

Ampon's statement followed the report by the Thai Royal Police, which said protester Angkana "Bo" Radabpanyawut, who was killed, may have carried a bomb while walking to the Royal Plaza with her mother and younger sister.

Amporn said if it was a bomb, forensic experts would have found fragments of metal in her body; but they did not. "I do not have any opinion about this issue but I think members of the public already have the answer to Angkana's death," he said.

"The chemical compound forensic experts found on her body is the key to this question," he added. "We have to wait for the investigation's result."

Meanwhile, he urged police not to fire rubber bullets directly into the crowd; rather shoot into the air at a long distance to avoid accidents. He said that after viewing pictures of victims shown by a Chulalongkorn University doctor following clashes between police and demonstrators at Makkhawan Rangsan Bridge in September, he was convinced rubber bullets could penetrate the human body.

- The Nation / 2008-10-10

[toybits]

Doesn't this set an ugly precedent? If a doctor is robbed or his house is burning, could police/firemen refuse to come to his assistance because they denied fellow policemen assistance?

There was a sign clearly hung in the hospital that said. "We will not examine police or evil politicians" (presumably govt. ones). Now if they won't examine them how do they know whether those injuries are life threatening or not. In some cases you need an X ray or scan to see if it is, so little hope there. Also the march to police headquarters by Chula hospital staff would seem to cancel out any retraction they might have earlier made.

[toybits]

I donated a lot of materials to the Thai Red Cross. I don't think they will be getting assistance from me this year.

Do you have prove about the said sign? More importantly, is it put up by the hospital staff with the knowledge of the management? Or is it put up by some PAD jokers? It will be nice to have prove.

I am neutral here, and for the benefit of doubt, I would assume the latter (the act of some PAD jokers not related to the hospital). If you have prove that it is the act of the hospital staff and the management turn a blind eye on it, I will protest to the International Red Cross Society. MORE, I WILL BAR MY DAUGHTER FROM HER RED CROSS ACTIVITY IN HER SCHOOL. My annual donation to the Red Cross Society may be small and insignificant to them, but I will stop from now on.

[Ricardo]

When one goes to a battle, one have to accept that death is unavoidable. People get kill on both side, not just from the PAD side. No one seems to remember the DAAD guy who died when he confronted the PAD which lead to a SoE.

All the police can say to the poor woman family is sorry, and she should not have been there. Just like PAD did send their condolence to the dead DAAD guy family, and said that he (the dead guy) should not have been there too.

PAD has been warned over and over again for weeks to clear the PM office. When the crack down come (I am sure it will), don't ever cried that no warning has been given.

Instead of which, the police claim she was carrying a home-made bomb, a good example of part of the problem.

The claim of 'no warning' is that, at the start of the firing of the tear-gas, no warning was given that they would shortly be escalating their actions. Perhaps the local police, who had been there for weeks, might have given better warning, than the bussed-in border-police were trained to ?

Former Deputy PM Chavalit Yongchaiyudh, who resigned from the Cabinet for ordering police attacks on PAD demonstrations on Tuesday, now says a military-led coup is the only way to resolve the political strife. Chavalit said the answer lies with Army Chief Gen Anupong Paojinda, who has repeatedly ruled out a coup. Chavalit said Anupong should immediately return power after staging a coup to allow an interim government to be installed and tackle the political turmoil. [

Unbelieveable ! Some one who was Deputy-PM in the government, a few days ago, now calls for a military coup ? Surely one of the few good signs, to emerge from these events, is that they didn't stage a coup, in this situation ? Chavalit must really be pissed-off about something !

A new election would be a wonderful idea. The PAD can clearly endorse a candidate and the Thai people will decide. I would not want to be the sorry sap that the PAD supported!

Agreed sunrise07, a new election would indeed be interesting.

Will the TRT/PPP share of the popular-vote continue the decline, which it has exhibited over the past three elections (I don't include the annulled one here) , will the Democrats' policy of keeping their hands clean finaly pay off ? Will the minor-parties, who promised not to join with PPP pre-election & then reversed themselves afterwards when they joined the coalition, pay a price for their perfidity at the ballot-box ? Will the PAD endorse any one party in an election ? Lots of questions which can only really be answered by putting them to the test.

Sadly I don't think PM-Somchai actually means to call an election, or that the PPP-PMs would stand for it, he would swiftly receive the same treatment as ex-PM Samak did from his own party members, a stab-in-the-back, on whose orders one can only speculate.

May we live in interesting, but more peaceful, times.

[OlRedEyes]

In yesterday's edition the Bangkok Post reported that, "Doctors at Chulalongkorn's Faculty of Medicine, led by Suthep Kolchanwit, said they would take a "social position" against the police by deciding not to treat officers wounded during the bloody crackdown on supporters of the People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD). They asked doctors at medical faculties at Thammasat, Khon Kaen, Chiang Mai, Ramathibodi, Siriraj, Srinakharinwirot and Prince of Songkla universities to follow suit and they had agreed, Dr Suthep said."

Putting aside the violation of professional ethics, this position now strongly suggests that medical reports as to the cause and extent of injuries sustained by rioters cannot be accepted at face value. If the people responsible for providing the data and information are biased, then in all likelihood, the information and data obtained from them will be tainted. Conclusions made about injuries offered by these people cannot be accepted as factual, because of the overt bias stated.

As an aside, I note that the Red Cross moved quickly to address the lapse in judgement and violation of duty by the implicated health professionals. Unfortunately, serious damage has been done to several hospitals' reputations. I anticipate stern emails and notes will be sent by the medical research organizations that fund some of these hospitals' programs. As well, it now damages all researchers' reputations even though they have not have individually allowed their political views to seep into the workplace. An absolute disgrace and the people that support such an action should be ashamed of themselves.

That's been properly addressed here:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?s=...t&p=2263963

As far as what has been published, that was the action of one doctor at one hospital...although there are many plurals used in your post.

To say it suggests misrepresentation by all doctors at all hospitals as well as the central coordinating center on injury reporting is a bit stretched.

Edit: Upon review, I see now the link supposedly reflects the actions of an unspecified number of other doctors, but there remains no definitive words of anyone other than Dr. Suthep.

If this doctor is not barred from the profession, it reflects on the Thai medical profession as a whole. If it is just swept under the carpet as so many totally unacceptable actions are here, it implies tolerance for a view diametrically opposed to the hypocratic oath and shows a lack of morality which seems endemic in this society.

It is shocking, and lack of real action is more shocking. People coming here for treatment on 'medical tourism' must then be made aware of the dangers in the face of a lack of moral standards and accountability in the Thai medical profession.

Edited October 10, 2008 by OlRedEyes

[sriracha john]

National Police Chief Pracharawat Wongsuwan said: "Tear gas and shields was all that the police had, and these could not cut off legs." "An unbiased person will be asked to conduct an investigation." *Khunying Pornthip?*

badah bing...

Pornthip to investigate tear gas debacle

Forensic expert Khunying Pornthip Rojanasunand on Friday said she has accepted to sit on a fact-finding panel to determine what had gone wrong on the Tuesday's crowd dispersal.

Should police observe the international standard of firing tear gas canisters, it is certain that heavy casualties should not have happened, Pornthip said.

She said National Police Chief General Patcharawat Wongsuwan asked her to get to the bottom of the matter.

- The Nation / 2008-10-10

[^_^]

Erm...looking back on the last few pages on this thread...anyone notice that the Same Few Posters whom Disregard the current government Morality Issue in the name of a disfunctioning-distorted "Democracy", are making the most noise regarding the "Morality" issue of the doctors refusing to attend to the Police whom got hurt during the clash at the parliament.

It's all in the posting style, whichever suits your likings.

Doesn't mean that I support the actions of the doctors though.

[Scott]

So what next? Special triage for incoming wounded--PAD treated first, opposition next, police last. Or maybe when they talk (if they can) they can determine that they are from Issan and not treat them at all.

Pathetic when Dr.'s have such lack of professionalism.

[sriracha john]

PM off to Prachuab Khiri Khan

Prime Minister Somchai Wongswat on Friday flew to Prachuab Khiri Khan reportedly to inspect cloud-seeding operations.

It is expected that Somchai will be granted the royal audience to brief His Majesty on the Tuesday's violent crackdown on protesters.

The King is staying at Klai Kangwon Palace in Hua Hin.

- The Nation / 2008-10-10

[ThNiner]

I really didn't wanna bother replying to some nonsense, immorality, ignorance and pure stupidity but anyone who watched the interview with one of the doctors who refused to treat the policemen the other day would understand that their position was that they would still treat anyone who needs emergency care. However they'd reserve their right in treating anyone in uniforms who's not seriously injured. Their reason was that as doctors, their first and foremost duty, besides treating patients, was to help prevent people from being ill or getting injured in the first place. Besides their professonal obligations, they also must have social responsibilities. In times like these, the only action they could take to raise awareness about what's REALLY happened and demand the end to the bloodshed was to do what they did. Their boycott against treating police officers who don't need emergency care was a symbol and a cry to the end of violence perpetrated by the police. They just wanted the police to use a gentler and more humance approach in dealing with the protestors. That's all the doctors wanted to do.

Anyway, I am not gonna be surprised one bit though if some people on here still can't grasp this. Some are just too think and too evil.. I guess.

[ThNiner]

Not sure if this information has already been posted on here, but rumour has it that all Somchai's children have already left the contry and they are now staying in London. Hmm.

[sylviex]

Doctors who ignore injured are 'unethical'

Physicians taken to task over police stance

POST REPORTERS

Doctors who refuse to treat police risk breaching humanitarian principles and medical ethics, say human rights groups.

An alliance of human rights advocates yesterday called on doctors to change their stance and urged the Medical Council and the National Human Rights Commission to look into the affair.

Doctors at Chulalongkorn University's faculty of medicine on Wednesday said they would not treat officers wounded during the clash at parliament on Tuesday between police and People's Alliance for Democracy supporters.

from BKK Post - continued at http://www.bangkokpost.com/101008_News/10Oct2008_news04.php

A banner reading "The Faculty of Psychiatry condemns the use of violence against people. We demand that the tyrant government steps down"will soon be flying in front of Somdet Chaopraya Institute of Psychiatry, Dr Kasem Tantipalacheeva said.

"We won't treat police who show up in their uniform. But if they come in as general people, we will provide treatment," he said.

from The Nation's article on the same topic at

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/topstory/r...newsid=30085699

There was a sign clearly hung in the hospital that said. "We will not examine police or evil politicians" (presumably govt. ones). Now if they won't examine them how do they know whether those injuries are life threatening or not.

Well -- didn't know medical science had advanced to the point where doctors could instantly distinguish "evil" people from the rest.

Edited October 10, 2008 by sylviex

[Roachiebkk]

Well I thought I'd seen a lot in my life. Forget about CSI Miami or any other forensic based show. I've just spotted the blown up wreck of the jeep in which one person was supposedly 'blown to pieces' unceremoniously dumped by the side of the road near the army barracks in Rama 5 near Set Siri Road. Ithonestly looks like an abandoned vehicle. I spend some time in Turkey and still pass the police impound yard where the vehicles blown up in the bombings in Istanbul some years ago are stored as evidence for when the day comes that they bring the bombers to trial. There is something very fishy surrounding the details of this 'car bomb' incident.

[sriracha john]

I really didn't wanna bother replying to some nonsense, immorality, ignorance and pure stupidity but anyone who watched the interview with one of the doctors who refused to treat the policemen the other day would understand that their position was that they would still treat anyone who needs emergency care. However they'd reserve their right in treating anyone in uniforms who's not seriously injured. Their reason was that as doctors, their first and foremost duty, besides treating patients, was to help prevent people from being ill or getting injured in the first place. Besides their professonal obligations, they also must have social responsibilities. In times like these, the only action they could take to raise awareness about what's REALLY happened and demand the end to the bloodshed was to do what they did. Their boycott against treating police officers who don't need emergency care was a symbol and a cry to the end of violence perpetrated by the police. They just wanted the police to use a gentler and more humance approach in dealing with the protestors. That's all the doctors wanted to do.

Anyway, I am not gonna be surprised one bit though if some people on here still can't grasp this. Some are just too think and too evil.. I guess.

Thank you, ThNiner, for posting what I've been trying to put together based on some translations I've read.

I'd just like to add that at no time were police actually ever denied treatment... as this is coming from Dr. Suthep who made the initial statement.

Edited October 10, 2008 by sriracha john

[jumnien]

Well I thought I'd seen a lot in my life. Forget about CSI Miami or any other forensic based show. I've just spotted the blown up wreck of the jeep in which one person was supposedly 'blown to pieces' unceremoniously dumped by the side of the road near the army barracks in Rama 5 near Set Siri Road. Ithonestly looks like an abandoned vehicle. I spend some time in Turkey and still pass the police impound yard where the vehicles blown up in the bombings in Istanbul some years ago are stored as evidence for when the day comes that they bring the bombers to trial. There is something very fishy surrounding the details of this 'car bomb' incident.

Well, it clearly is a mystery to be solved "who blew up this Jeep" and why, that is, a mystery to us. Evidently, it is no mystery to the Thai Army!

[sylviex]

Their reason was that as doctors, their first and foremost duty, besides treating patients, was to help prevent people from being ill or getting injured in the first place. Besides their professonal obligations, they also must have social responsibilities.

Refusing to treat "evil politicians" (meaning those in the party they don't support) is not an example of social responsibility -- quite the reverse.

[sriracha john]

Not sure if this information has already been posted on here, but rumour has it that all Somchai's children have already left the country and they are now staying in London. Hmm.

Does that include all three of their children? including MP Chinnicha?

Irregardless though, what a lovely group photo they take....

Yotthanan Wongsawat, Chinnicha Wongsawat (currently People Power Party MP for Chiang Mai), Chayapha Wongsawat, Somchai Wongsawat, Yaowapa Wongsawat

this is bit dated, however, I think they've "grown" since then...

Edited October 10, 2008 by sriracha john