flying Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 so we have gone from gold fever to doom and gloom? Nah if you stick around a while you will see from time to time a guy will drop in & say... Gold sucks...yada,yada,yada You could have done better if you bought XYZ shares..yada,yada,yada.... I just dont see any value in a hunk O metal...yada,yada.... The cirsis is over run!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yet they never say what all has been fixed? Is the US suddenly on par with their debt? Found the cuts they promised? Need another debt ceiling raise soon? Is Greece now good to go? How about the other members of the PIIGS? That which started folks looking at alternative investments is just as strong to day if not more. It is election year in the US expect BS to flow like honey....... Yet those who have been around awhile do fine & are quite happy with the risk/reward ratio Neither do they cheer lead & tell others how they could have made $$$$ on this or that metal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblether Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 so we have gone from gold fever to doom and gloom? No.......how about just simple reality? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblether Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 so we have gone from gold fever to doom and gloom? Nah if you stick around a while you will see from time to time a guy will drop in & say... Gold sucks...yada,yada,yada You could have done better if you bought XYZ shares..yada,yada,yada.... I just dont see any value in a hunk O metal...yada,yada.... The cirsis is over run!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yet they never say what all has been fixed? Is the US suddenly on par with their debt? Found the cuts they promised? Need another debt ceiling raise soon? Is Greece now good to go? How about the other members of the PIIGS? That which started folks looking at alternative investments is just as strong to day if not more. It is election year in the US expect BS to flow like honey....... Yet those who have been around awhile do fine & are quite happy with the risk/reward ratio Neither do they cheer lead & tell others how they could have made $$$$ on this or that metal. You see at the end of the day this thread is all about simple opinions......up? down? stay the same? It's not rocket science......... There will always be a so called crisis coming down the line...............in the last few years we have seen some of the most serious crisis imaginable. These crisis resulted in a spike in Gold prices, but even that spike was not on a par with the spike that resulted from the Russian invasion of Afghanistan on Xmas Day 1979, ( adjusted for inflation ). So don't wave flags for any commodity and don't get emotionally involved . In my opinion outside of a category one conflict the bull run is over, that does not mean that people cannot still make money from Gold trading, there has been dramatic volatility in the price this year already, but that money will be made by people who are switched on Day traders, ( probably you ). It's price volatility that brings the profit opportunity. ( you know that already, many people don't ). People thinking that Gold bought today will see it magically crash through the $2000 barrier are more than likely to be disappointed. Many people are already nursing losses and I believe many more will find the same problem coming down the line. So anyone thinking that Gold is on an inexorable rise is wrong in my opinion, so I have stated my prediction for this year and the next two years.......let's see yours, and how about the rest of the regular contributors to this thread doing the same. No prizes, no condemnation, it will be interesting to see the breadth of opinion and to revisit it later this year to see who was right this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblether Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 and your prediction for 2012? 2013? 2014? a rise then fall in 2015??? I'm quite confident it will go up or down by any amount. Perhaps this thread should be retitled where has gold been in this market, as after 250 pages no one knows where it is going, that's for sure. Well if you look at a 10 year graph you may have a pretty good hypothesis You know, that kind of post and that kind of graph are terrifying, anyone using that graph as an indicator of future performance is a nutter. Please, please ignore it. All that graph tells you is the past performance........it does not tell you why Gold has performed in that way in the last 10 years. In the interest of intellectual honesty, flying should now post the graph for the 10 years previous to that graph. Here lies the danger of "internet experts".......... While your at it flying, please impress us all by showing us proof of your Gold trades at $270. I think there is a touch of wise after the event going on here...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauljones Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 1975-2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udonguy Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 1975-2012 i must say that 10 year jump makes me nervous - if only I could turn the clock back! I'd be very rich indeed - it's interesting that other crises have come and gone but not a flicker in the gold market. For 20 years boredom then BOOMdom - but what about the drop? yikes!!! but I think there is more push before the collapse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauljones Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 The party is over I bet. What's the next big thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
churchill Posted February 11, 2012 Author Share Posted February 11, 2012 Those that bet the party is over may miss the best part ... True any bull run is about confidence and trying to stay at the head rather than the tail of the herd http://goldchat.blogspot.com/2012/02/martin-armstrong-on-metals-manipulation.html but the situation in Europe is certainly not going to be fixed without lots more QE as in the UK and probably in the US and China http://forexbillion.com/2012/02/groundhog-week/ and the situation in Greece is not getting any easier through the bickering and blaming of politicians in Germany/Greece and the EU http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2012/02/violent-protests-in-greece-6-cabinet.html http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-10/greece-s-use-of-debt-writedown-would-equal-a-selective-default-s-p-says.html Not forgetting the Middle East http://www.stockhouse.com/Columnists/2012/Feb/10/Time-to-review-your-oil---gold-exposure--Stockhous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
churchill Posted February 11, 2012 Author Share Posted February 11, 2012 (edited) 1975-2012 i must say that 10 year jump makes me nervous - if only I could turn the clock back! I'd be very rich indeed - it's interesting that other crises have come and gone but not a flicker in the gold market. For 20 years boredom then BOOMdom - but what about the drop? yikes!!! but I think there is more push before the collapse see http://chart.ly/u4kexx6 and http://www.kitco.com/ind/Wagner/feb102012.html Edited February 11, 2012 by churchill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 (edited) You know, that kind of post and that kind of graph are terrifying, anyone using that graph as an indicator of future performance is a nutter. Please, please ignore it. All that graph tells you is the past performance........it does not tell you why Gold has performed in that way in the last 10 years. In the interest of intellectual honesty, flying should now post the graph for the 10 years previous to that graph. Here lies the danger of "internet experts".......... While your at it flying, please impress us all by showing us proof of your Gold trades at $270. I think there is a touch of wise after the event going on here...... Come now Blather what is it you want? I do not cheer lead & if you read this thread from the start you can see that. Of course none can predict & I have always said none should tell others to buy or sell. I always have said folks should have their OWN premise Why is that 10 year chart not good for you? Yes everyone knows about the 80's so what? The ten year chart shows $350 an ounce eh? Look at the one that goes back 35-40 years what does it show as a low? $200. Folks who use charts dont use charts of years in the first place. I posted it in response to a silly question. I do not use charts at all myself. ..........Again none has told you buy Why do folks like you feel the need to even post or question anyone's decisions? You offer a guarantee? Trades at $270? Sorry dont have any......Does it matter to you? If it does read back in this thread most of mine are there...Not trades though ..purchases & swaps Only one self proclaimed internet expert here & that is the one yelling RUN!!!! Best to not cheer either direction unless you want to take responsibility for folks losses. Edited February 11, 2012 by flying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEENTHEREDONETHAT Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 (edited) Date: February 9, 2012 Reporting From: Santiago, Chile After more than a decade of year-over-year appreciation, many people are wondering if gold is just another bubble waiting to burst. No commodity or asset class in our historical record has ever shown such long-term growth, and consequently the "B-word" is being tossed around regularly in financial media. But is that all a bubble is-- simply meteoric growth, seemingly with no end in sight? If so, let's examine some other 'bubbles' in our society. 1) Number of people renouncing US citizenship: Four years of exponential growth. [source: Bloomberg / IRS] 2008: 146 2009: 742 2010: 1534 2011: 2048 (estimate) 2) Number of Facebook users: Eight years of viral growth. [source: Facebook] August 26, 2008: 100 million April 8, 2009: 200 million September 15, 2009: 300 million February 5, 2010: 400 million July 21, 2010: 500 million January 5, 2011: 600 million May 30, 2011: 700 million September 22, 2011: 800 million February 4, 2012: 845 million 3) Number of Americans on Foodstamps: A disturbing, tragic long-term growth trend. [source: USDA's Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program] 2007: 26.3 million 2008: 28.2 million 2009: 33.5 million 2010: 40.3 million 2011: 44.7 million 4) Number of FBI/NICS background checks to obtain a firearm in the United States: Eight years of consistent growth. And baby, we ain't seen nothin' yet. [source: FBI] 2004: 8.69 million 2005: 8.95 million 2006: 10.04 million 2007: 11.18 million 2008: 12.70 million 2009: 14.03 million 2010: 14.41 million 2011: 16.45 million 5) Number of requests the US government made for Google user data: 4 straight reporting periods of astounding growth. [source: Google] 6-months ending 12/31/2009: 3,580 6-months ending 6/30/2010: 4,287 6-months ending 12/31/2010: 4,601 6-months ending 6/30/2011: 5,950 6) US federal government budget outlays: a never-ending growth trend of out-of-control spending. [source: CBO, OMB] 2000 budget: $1.9 trillion 2001 budget: $2.0 trillion 2002 budget: $2.2 trillion 2003 budget: $2.2 trillion 2004 budget: $2.3 trillion 2005 budget: $2.4 trillion 2006 budget: $2.7 trillion 2007 budget: $2.8 trillion 2008 budget: $2.9 trillion 2009 budget: $3.1 trillion 2010 budget: $3.6 trillion 2011 budget: $3.8 trillion 7) And last but not least, US monetary base as of January 1st each year [source: St. Louis Fed] 2001: $ 616.7 billion 2002: $ 673.7 billion 2003: $ 719.6 billion 2004: $ 756.8 billion 2005: $ 793.8 billion 2006: $ 825.2 billion 2007: $ 843.5 billion 2008: $ 851.4 billion 2009: $1,730.2 billion 2010: $2,010.1 billion 2011: $2,057.1 billion 2012: $2,647.7 billion Ultimately, a bubble isn't something whose price keeps going up. It's something that is steadily expanding, supported by nothing but hot air. The exponential growth in Facebook users (or other digital platforms like Skype, Angry Birds, etc.) is underpinned by perceived value... not hot air. The growth in FBI background checks and firearm sales is underpinned by legitimate consumer demand, not phony speculation. The growth rates in US citizenship renunciants and US government Google user requests are equally underpinned by a legitimate (though unfortunate) trend of declining liberty. This is certainly not hot air. The value of gold is as an anti-currency-- a rejection of the fiat system in favor of something more tangible that cannot be conjured out of thin air. This is not a bubble. It's a simple causality. And as long as the trends in #6 and #7 above hold, a continued rise in the gold price is supported. Simon Black Senior Editor, SovereignMan.com Edited February 11, 2012 by BEENTHEREDONETHAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblether Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 You know, that kind of post and that kind of graph are terrifying, anyone using that graph as an indicator of future performance is a nutter. Please, please ignore it. All that graph tells you is the past performance........it does not tell you why Gold has performed in that way in the last 10 years. In the interest of intellectual honesty, flying should now post the graph for the 10 years previous to that graph. Here lies the danger of "internet experts".......... While your at it flying, please impress us all by showing us proof of your Gold trades at $270. I think there is a touch of wise after the event going on here...... Come now Blather what is it you want? I do not cheer lead & if you read this thread from the start you can see that. Of course none can predict & I have always said none should tell others to buy or sell. I always have said folks should have their OWN premise Why is that 10 year chart not good for you? Yes everyone knows about the 80's so what? The ten year chart shows $350 an ounce eh? Look at the one that goes back 35-40 years what does it show as a low? $200. Folks who use charts dont use charts of years in the first place. I posted it in response to a silly question. I do not use charts at all myself. ..........Again none has told you buy Why do folks like you feel the need to even post or question anyone's decisions? You offer a guarantee? Trades at $270? Sorry dont have any......Does it matter to you? If it does read back in this thread most of mine are there...Not trades though ..purchases & swaps Only one self proclaimed internet expert here & that is the one yelling RUN!!!! Best to not cheer either direction unless you want to take responsibility for folks losses. I can read perfectly well sir......your post that included that 10 year chart was a call to arms indicating the only way is up.......now your getting all itchy when I point out that during the 10 year period preceding that chart Gold was a stagnant investment. So next time you post a chart ( and post ) like that try to mollify it a little bit huh? i would suggest that your call to action is more likely to encourage potential losses than my call for caution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblether Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Date: February 9, 2012 Reporting From: Santiago, Chile After more than a decade of year-over-year appreciation, many people are wondering if gold is just another bubble waiting to burst. No commodity or asset class in our historical record has ever shown such long-term growth, and consequently the "B-word" is being tossed around regularly in financial media. But is that all a bubble is-- simply meteoric growth, seemingly with no end in sight? If so, let's examine some other 'bubbles' in our society. 1) Number of people renouncing US citizenship: Four years of exponential growth. [source: Bloomberg / IRS] 2008: 146 2009: 742 2010: 1534 2011: 2048 (estimate) 2) Number of Facebook users: Eight years of viral growth. [source: Facebook] August 26, 2008: 100 million April 8, 2009: 200 million September 15, 2009: 300 million February 5, 2010: 400 million July 21, 2010: 500 million January 5, 2011: 600 million May 30, 2011: 700 million September 22, 2011: 800 million February 4, 2012: 845 million 3) Number of Americans on Foodstamps: A disturbing, tragic long-term growth trend. [source: USDA's Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program] 2007: 26.3 million 2008: 28.2 million 2009: 33.5 million 2010: 40.3 million 2011: 44.7 million 4) Number of FBI/NICS background checks to obtain a firearm in the United States: Eight years of consistent growth. And baby, we ain't seen nothin' yet. [source: FBI] 2004: 8.69 million 2005: 8.95 million 2006: 10.04 million 2007: 11.18 million 2008: 12.70 million 2009: 14.03 million 2010: 14.41 million 2011: 16.45 million 5) Number of requests the US government made for Google user data: 4 straight reporting periods of astounding growth. [source: Google] 6-months ending 12/31/2009: 3,580 6-months ending 6/30/2010: 4,287 6-months ending 12/31/2010: 4,601 6-months ending 6/30/2011: 5,950 6) US federal government budget outlays: a never-ending growth trend of out-of-control spending. [source: CBO, OMB] 2000 budget: $1.9 trillion 2001 budget: $2.0 trillion 2002 budget: $2.2 trillion 2003 budget: $2.2 trillion 2004 budget: $2.3 trillion 2005 budget: $2.4 trillion 2006 budget: $2.7 trillion 2007 budget: $2.8 trillion 2008 budget: $2.9 trillion 2009 budget: $3.1 trillion 2010 budget: $3.6 trillion 2011 budget: $3.8 trillion 7) And last but not least, US monetary base as of January 1st each year [source: St. Louis Fed] 2001: $ 616.7 billion 2002: $ 673.7 billion 2003: $ 719.6 billion 2004: $ 756.8 billion 2005: $ 793.8 billion 2006: $ 825.2 billion 2007: $ 843.5 billion 2008: $ 851.4 billion 2009: $1,730.2 billion 2010: $2,010.1 billion 2011: $2,057.1 billion 2012: $2,647.7 billion Ultimately, a bubble isn't something whose price keeps going up. It's something that is steadily expanding, supported by nothing but hot air. The exponential growth in Facebook users (or other digital platforms like Skype, Angry Birds, etc.) is underpinned by perceived value... not hot air. The growth in FBI background checks and firearm sales is underpinned by legitimate consumer demand, not phony speculation. The growth rates in US citizenship renunciants and US government Google user requests are equally underpinned by a legitimate (though unfortunate) trend of declining liberty. This is certainly not hot air. The value of gold is as an anti-currency-- a rejection of the fiat system in favor of something more tangible that cannot be conjured out of thin air. This is not a bubble. It's a simple causality. And as long as the trends in #6 and #7 above hold, a continued rise in the gold price is supported. Simon Black Senior Editor, SovereignMan.com Really? Would you like to tell the assembled company the reason why the US was downgraded last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblether Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Those that bet the party is over may miss the best part ... True any bull run is about confidence and trying to stay at the head rather than the tail of the herd http://goldchat.blog...nipulation.html but the situation in Europe is certainly not going to be fixed without lots more QE as in the UK and probably in the US and China http://forexbillion....groundhog-week/ and the situation in Greece is not getting any easier through the bickering and blaming of politicians in Germany/Greece and the EU http://globaleconomi...-6-cabinet.html http://www.bloomberg...t-s-p-says.html Not forgetting the Middle East http://www.stockhous...sure--Stockhous Great........what is your prediction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 (edited) i would suggest that your call to action is more likely to encourage potential losses than my call for caution. Duly noted & we thank you for your call? We have been here 3+ years not calling anyone & it is there for you to see....If you choose to read Only you are asking folks for predictions...Sorry none here have any ... Many here have reasons they chose to diversify....But they do not claim to predict nor force you to. Edited February 11, 2012 by flying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauljones Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Could go up. Could go down. At least that's what the previous 6247 posts indicate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
churchill Posted February 12, 2012 Author Share Posted February 12, 2012 (edited) Those that bet the party is over may miss the best part ... True any bull run is about confidence and trying to stay at the head rather than the tail of the herd http://goldchat.blog...nipulation.html but the situation in Europe is certainly not going to be fixed without lots more QE as in the UK and probably in the US and China http://forexbillion....groundhog-week/ and the situation in Greece is not getting any easier through the bickering and blaming of politicians in Germany/Greece and the EU http://globaleconomi...-6-cabinet.html http://www.bloomberg...t-s-p-says.html Not forgetting the Middle East http://www.stockhous...sure--Stockhous Great........what is your prediction? My prediction .... until we can see some light between the trees the price of Gold will be trending higher .. and I don't see many easy solutions yet ... perhaps in about 2 years Edited February 12, 2012 by churchill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udonguy Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Those that bet the party is over may miss the best part ... True any bull run is about confidence and trying to stay at the head rather than the tail of the herd http://goldchat.blog...nipulation.html but the situation in Europe is certainly not going to be fixed without lots more QE as in the UK and probably in the US and China http://forexbillion....groundhog-week/ and the situation in Greece is not getting any easier through the bickering and blaming of politicians in Germany/Greece and the EU http://globaleconomi...-6-cabinet.html http://www.bloomberg...t-s-p-says.html Not forgetting the Middle East http://www.stockhous...sure--Stockhous Great........what is your prediction? My prediction .... until we can see some light between the trees the price of Gold will be trending higher .. and I don't see many easy solutions yet ... perhaps in about 2 years care to put any numbers to that? I am mindful that silver went to 43 then down to 28 and never really recovered and is stuck at 33/34 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
churchill Posted February 12, 2012 Author Share Posted February 12, 2012 Silver is up about 20% in the last six weeks .. I wouldn't call that stuck .. Re.. Gold , many follow the 144mda which would put Gold over $1900 by the end of the year .. http://www.moneyweek.com/news-and-charts/economic-indicators/gold-indicators/11-gold-144-day-dma-00011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naam Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 many follow the 144mda which would put Gold many others follow many "learned gurus" who put gold at 5,000 / 10,000 / 28,000 and in terms of "fiat" at an infinitely high value. by the way, many generations of flies and various other insects (trillions of them for billions of generations) put shit in the upper class of delicacies. but not every other creature agrees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naam Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 The party is over I bet. What's the next big thing? viagra? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udonguy Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Silver is up about 20% in the last six weeks .. I wouldn't call that stuck .. Re.. Gold , many follow the 144mda which would put Gold over $1900 by the end of the year .. http://www.moneyweek...4-day-dma-00011 you missed the point about being at 43 recently - and getting nowhere near that since the 'fall' - for that matter gold too! we all get excited but it was 1850 at one stage so all those that keep saying 'resistance at 1750' forget it broke through then fell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
churchill Posted February 12, 2012 Author Share Posted February 12, 2012 many follow the 144mda which would put Gold many others follow many "learned gurus" who put gold at 5,000 / 10,000 / 28,000 and in terms of "fiat" at an infinitely high value. by the way, many generations of flies and various other insects (trillions of them for billions of generations) put shit in the upper class of delicacies. but not every other creature agrees As I said "stay at the head rather than the tail of the herd ' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naam Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 many follow the 144mda which would put Gold many others follow many "learned gurus" who put gold at 5,000 / 10,000 / 28,000 and in terms of "fiat" at an infinitely high value. by the way, many generations of flies and various other insects (trillions of them for billions of generations) put shit in the upper class of delicacies. but not every other creature agrees As I said "stay at the head rather than the tail of the herd ' to be there before the flies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
churchill Posted February 12, 2012 Author Share Posted February 12, 2012 (edited) Silver is up about 20% in the last six weeks .. I wouldn't call that stuck .. Re.. Gold , many follow the 144mda which would put Gold over $1900 by the end of the year .. http://www.moneyweek...4-day-dma-00011 you missed the point about being at 43 recently - and getting nowhere near that since the 'fall' - for that matter gold too! we all get excited but it was 1850 at one stage so all those that keep saying 'resistance at 1750' forget it broke through then fell Charts and Chartists certainly have a lot of influence on price movements .There always seems to be a next level that is make or break with a potential big up or down move .. but one has to look at the overall macro picture as well ... Some are saying we are on the verge of a major leg up but not before we have had another big leg down .. Nobody really knows... One has to weigh the odds and place ones bets ... Edited February 12, 2012 by churchill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
churchill Posted February 12, 2012 Author Share Posted February 12, 2012 many follow the 144mda which would put Gold many others follow many "learned gurus" who put gold at 5,000 / 10,000 / 28,000 and in terms of "fiat" at an infinitely high value. by the way, many generations of flies and various other insects (trillions of them for billions of generations) put shit in the upper class of delicacies. but not every other creature agrees As I said "stay at the head rather than the tail of the herd ' to be there before the flies? ask this lot and you may get the right answer !! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2095335/Underground-ant-city-Brazil-rivals-Great-Wall-China-labyrinth-highways.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udonguy Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Silver is up about 20% in the last six weeks .. I wouldn't call that stuck .. Re.. Gold , many follow the 144mda which would put Gold over $1900 by the end of the year .. http://www.moneyweek...4-day-dma-00011 you missed the point about being at 43 recently - and getting nowhere near that since the 'fall' - for that matter gold too! we all get excited but it was 1850 at one stage so all those that keep saying 'resistance at 1750' forget it broke through then fell Charts and Chartists certainly have a lot of influence on price movements .There always seems to be a next level that is make or break with a potential big up or down move .. but one has to look at the overall macro picture as well ... Some are saying we are on the verge of a major leg up but not before we have had another big leg down .. Nobody really knows... One has to weigh the odds and place ones bets ... sometimes I wish I could go away and not look for 6 months - but it verges on the obsessive this PM malarkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblether Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Could go up. Could go down. At least that's what the previous 6247 posts indicate. I think that should be the last word on this topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naam Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 ask this lot and you may get the right answer !! http://www.dailymail...h-highways.html you think i'd waste even one second of my time reading any rubbish the "daily mail" prints? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udonguy Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 ask this lot and you may get the right answer !! http://www.dailymail...h-highways.html you think i'd waste even one second of my time reading any rubbish the "daily mail" prints? on that we concur - waste of paper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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