sriracha john Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 Thailand firewall to block 'offensive' websites The Ministry of Information and Communications Technology (ICT) plans to spend about 100 million to 500 million baht to build a gateway to block websites with contents defaming the royal institution. ICT Minister Mun Patanotai said exactly 86% of those websites are from foreign countries. He said his Ministry will give more attention to websites violating lese majeste laws than pornographic, obscene, and terrorist websites. According to the minister, thousands of the websites have been found to have information offending the monarchy, but they could not be revealed because Internet users would visit them once they are known. The minister added the more such websites are suppressed, the more they grow, but police will continue to penalise the offenders nonetheless. Prime Minister and Defence Minister Somchai Wongsawat had discussed this with the intelligence units, the Telephone Organization of Thailand (TOT) and the Communications Authority of Continued here: http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/b...s.php?id=131678 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted October 28, 2008 Author Share Posted October 28, 2008 ICT to hold meeting Wed to deal with lese majeste websites The Ministry of Information and Communication Technology (ICT) is preparing to hold a meeting on Wednesday (October 29) on measures to deal with websites criticizing the monarchy. ICT Minister Man Pattanotai stated today (October 28) that he reported on websites criticizing the royal institution to the Cabinet. But he was asked to not yet publicly announce the addresses as it may only serve to promote the sites. The ministry would meet on Wednesday with relevant agencies to decipher remedies to such websites, he said. The ministry was considering purchasing web-blocking equipment worth 100-500 Million Baht. It was also working with police to take legal action against transgressors. - ThaiNews / 2008-10-28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chang_paarp Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 This will slow the web access even further. Can someone please explain to these idiots folk what an international standard internet connection is, and how to deliver it to the paying punter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 (edited) So people trying to paint PAD as fascists, well...the [moral] fascists are already in power. And nice to see that they highlight a crime no-one can say 'no' to, to hide their agenda. Much like they use child porn to excuse any filtering added in Europe (and already stepped away from only going after). Edited October 28, 2008 by TAWP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 (edited) Thailand firewall to block 'offensive' websites The Ministry of Information and Communications Technology (ICT) plans to spend about 100 million to 500 million baht to build a gateway to block websites with contents defaming the royal institution....... ......exactly 86% of those websites are from foreign countries. He said his Ministry will give more attention to websites violating lese majeste laws than pornographic, obscene, and terrorist websites. ........ The minister added the more such websites are suppressed, the more they grow, ......... Prime Minister and Defence Minister Somchai Wongsawat had discussed this with the intelligence units, the Telephone Organization of Thailand (TOT) and the Communications Authority......... .bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/breakingnews.php?id=131678"]http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/b...s.php?id=131678[/url] So lets seen as Somchai not wants to be seen defending the monarchy... As an excuse to control thoughts and access to information. He thinks this is MUCH more important than : Spending 500k baht on something to help the poor of Issan. Fighting terrorist communication and recruiting directly. Even as they fight these sites they find there are more than ever; in other words a losing battle they are not winning, so throw more money at it to look good. And as noted above it will slow down an already slow internet access even more. Wouldn't think of throwing 500k baht at FIXING the internet and making it work properly here. How much for industry kickbacks? How much for companies Thaksin has a share in? They KNOW EXACTLY 86% are over seas.... exactly HOW do they know 86%? How do they know they have seen them all? And "MORE ATTENTION THAN" ... means they will be trying the old thought control of the ignorant masses ploy again. If they can't get alternate thoughts and information, they can't change their voting patterns... When will these silly buggers ever learn? Edited October 28, 2008 by animatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losangels Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 They KNOW EXACTLY 86% are over seas.... exactly HOW do they know 86%? Either from Somchia's fortune teller from up north or some mysterious figure that appeared in his dream last night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 They KNOW EXACTLY 86% are over seas.... exactly HOW do they know 86%? Either from Somchia's fortune teller from up north or some mysterious figure that appeared in his dream last night Chonsawat Asavahame, the newly appointed Secretary-General to Deputy Premier and Information and Communications Technology Minister Mun Patanotai, said yesterday that his fugitive father Vatana had advised him to do his best in the job. Or maybe asking Vatana, Chonsawat's father who is hiding overseas where all `Thailand troubles seem to come from. None of it EVER comes from INSIDE Thailand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goyave Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 (edited) They KNOW EXACTLY 86% are over seas.... exactly HOW do they know 86%? Because 86% of statistics are made up? Edited October 28, 2008 by Goyave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesjdaly Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 If they had said 85% I wouldn't have believed them, bit such a realistic and accurate figure as 86%, well, it MUST be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 None of it EVER comes from INSIDE Thailand... From their reckoning, 14% of it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seneque Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 They KNOW EXACTLY 86% are over seas.... exactly HOW do they know 86%? Either from Somchia's fortune teller from up north or some mysterious figure that appeared in his dream last night Chonsawat Asavahame, the newly appointed Secretary-General to Deputy Premier and Information and Communications Technology Minister Mun Patanotai, said yesterday that his fugitive father Vatana had advised him to do his best in the job. Or maybe asking Vatana, Chonsawat's father who is hiding overseas where all `Thailand troubles seem to come from. None of it EVER comes from INSIDE Thailand... Chonsawat's father is actually on an international arrest warrant (hiding in one of his cambodian casinos) and the son is just appointed secgen to a deputy premier ....... when r they going to end this nonsense ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 None of it EVER comes from INSIDE Thailand... From their reckoning, 14% of it does. Seems they forgot what the remainder actually means... But no they can now blame THAT on Thaksin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 None of it EVER comes from INSIDE Thailand... From their reckoning, 14% of it does. Seems they forgot what the remainder actually means... But no they can now blame THAT on Thaksin! It could be a play to endear themselves, but will in all probability end up being a complete failure and will simply end up blocking the few political academic discussion boards that exist as commentary to the idiotic situation going on in Thailand right now. I did like the fact that at the moment it will cost anything between 100mn and 500mn. Being as the international line is in CAT's hands and theirs alone it shouldn't be that hard to create. The cost of programming per hour in Bangkok must be pretty steep these days. Couldn't they just ask the Chinese or Burmese for a version of their firewall? Unless of course there is a kickback of anything ranging from 75mn to 475mn involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosha Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 I remember being blocked from an obviously highly offensive flightsim site about 2 years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangyai Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 So people trying to paint PAD as fascists, well...the [moral] fascists are already in power.And nice to see that they highlight a crime no-one can say 'no' to, to hide their agenda. Much like they use child porn to excuse any filtering added in Europe (and already stepped away from only going after). I must have missed that or has a post been deleted ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 Read all the other threads mentioning PAD or any post by Sunrise07... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 I remember being blocked from an obviously highly offensive flightsim site about 2 years ago Yes you might learn how to fly and them fly porn over Somchai's house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 the sad thing is, it's not just Thailand... Senator Conroy is trying to introduce mandatory ISP level content filters for all Australian internet users. This will cost at least 40 million dollars to implement initially with large ongoing costs and: (1) Have almost zero effect on the access to illegal or inappropriate material by anyone that wants to get it as it doesn't block peer-2-peer traffic or any number of encrypted workarounds (2) Lull parents into a false sense of security and assist them to abrogate their responsibility to properly educate and supervise their children's activities online - a head in the sand approach to dealing with life's challenges rarely works. (3) Cost the taxpayer an initial 40 million+ with more to come - money that could be directed to assisting social services agencies to pursue the hundreds of real reports of abuse they are not currently able to keep up with due to underfunding in every state and territory & run well considered education programmes in the community. (4) Remove between 2 and 13 percent of legitimate content (5) Slow your internet connection between 2 and 86 percent (6) Allow the government to silently block all sorts of content in the future they may deem inappropriate, this is the start of a slippery slope into government censorship of all sorts of things. (7) Isn't needed as anyone who wants a filter can get one for free from the government's 180 million spend on netalert free for all Australians anyway. An article of interest is below. If you feel strongly about this issue I recommend you go to http://nocleanfeed.com/ and contact Senator Conroy's office to let him know how you feel. Please pass this on to whoever you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 Thailand firewall to block 'offensive' websites ICT Minister Mun Patanotai said exactly 86% of those websites are from foreign countries so then 14% comes from within, wonder who the miscreants are. Doubt they' d be Thais more likely be, geriatric PAD aficionado farang, who live in fear should Taks come back to void their visa once for all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marquess Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 Thailand firewall to block 'offensive' websites The Ministry of Information and Communications Technology (ICT) plans to spend about 100 million to 500 million baht to build a gateway to block websites with contents defaming the royal institution....... ......exactly 86% of those websites are from foreign countries. He said his Ministry will give more attention to websites violating lese majeste laws than pornographic, obscene, and terrorist websites. ........ The minister added the more such websites are suppressed, the more they grow, ......... Prime Minister and Defence Minister Somchai Wongsawat had discussed this with the intelligence units, the Telephone Organization of Thailand (TOT) and the Communications Authority......... .bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/breakingnews.php?id=131678"]http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/b...s.php?id=131678[/url] So lets seen as Somchai not wants to be seen defending the monarchy... As an excuse to control thoughts and access to information. He thinks this is MUCH more important than : Spending 500k baht on something to help the poor of Issan. Fighting terrorist communication and recruiting directly. Even as they fight these sites they find there are more than ever; in other words a losing battle they are not winning, so throw more money at it to look good. And as noted above it will slow down an already slow internet access even more. Wouldn't think of throwing 500k baht at FIXING the internet and making it work properly here. How much for industry kickbacks? How much for companies Thaksin has a share in? They KNOW EXACTLY 86% are over seas.... exactly HOW do they know 86%? How do they know they have seen them all? And "MORE ATTENTION THAN" ... means they will be trying the old thought control of the ignorant masses ploy again. If they can't get alternate thoughts and information, they can't change their voting patterns... When will these silly buggers ever learn? Why would they do that, it might be construed as using common sense, something that is in extreme short supply here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0Mix1up Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 the s/w is available at panthip 5 dvd pack for 500 bht now where are those tender forms 5555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushdepth Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 And why is internetporn such a bad thing? Rather having criminals home jerking off, than out on the streets letting their anger lose? Why bother censoring porn when anyone can just wander down to their local redlight / house of ill repute and see it live? Senator Conroy is trying to introduce mandatory ISP level contentfilters for all Australian internet users. This will cost at least 40 million dollars to implement initially with large ongoing costs and: I have met some of the Oz "internet police" and they said (and I quote) "Good luck!" :-) Basically some political peanuts think it helps project an image of Integrity and Moral Fibre that appeals to certain segments of voters but it is futile. If you are serious about censoring the internet - turn it off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSnrang Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 People seem to forget how much Thaksin's cronies tried to shut people up. They're back in business again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanaFoods Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 (edited) Ministry of Information and Communications Technology (ICT) plans to spend about 100 million to 500 million baht to build a gateway to block websites with contents defaming the royal institution. Up to 500M baht for more censorship??? What is wrong these people? How many schools can be built that money? Do any of these fools with more power than brains have any concept of priorities? ICT Minister Mun Patanotai said exactly 86% of those websites are from foreign countries. "Exactly" 86% Wow...sounds like he must REALLY know what he's talking about He is after all the Information Minister, right? Probably not unlike another Information Minister we've all heard of... Edited October 28, 2008 by ChefHeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Los78 Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 (edited) None of it EVER comes from INSIDE Thailand... From their reckoning, 14% of it does. Seems they forgot what the remainder actually means... But no they can now blame THAT on Thaksin! I still dont see any connection with this topic and Thaksin. I thought all you PAD faithful would be happy with protecting the institution. I dont see what all the fuss is about it since it is against the law in Thailand. Also the the army are cracking down. Put your reading goggles on and read about the topic a little more. Edited October 28, 2008 by Los78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johpa Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 He is after all the Information Minister, right?Probably not unlike another Information Minister we've all heard of... More like this über dispenser of information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jts-khorat Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 According to the minister, thousands of the websites have been found to have information offending the monarchy, but they could not be revealed because Internet users would visit them once they are known. This remark borders on the offending as well, as it implicitly states that Thai internet users are interested in reading such websites. I onder why he would believe such to be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted October 28, 2008 Author Share Posted October 28, 2008 He is after all the Information Minister, right?Probably not unlike another Information Minister we've all heard of... More like this über dispenser of information. ICT Minister Mun Pattanotai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insight Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 That money would be spent better on inproving the network infrastructure and external cables. Bad excuse to use His Majesty on this... I wonder what he would say, if they even asked him? I did not know, that there were so many websites out there, "Hating" the King of Thailand? And why is internetporn such a bad thing? Rather having criminals home jerking off, than out on the streets letting their anger lose?I really hope that their plan will fail... And - Have they never heard of proxies? Internet censurship never works as long as their are smarter people working against it (and there always is). Money wasted, and a sad step in the wrong direction.... Thailand, oh Thailand, you are so off track The money would be spent better on whiskey and ho's. And it will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 People seem to forget how much Thaksin's cronies tried to shut people up.They're back in business again. Never forgot that for a moment! It's why I have been so against PPP, even if that means appearing to support PAD implicitly. The alternative to giving up has ALREADY proved to much to bare. Let the watchdog keep barking when the thieves stir. This is just another installment of WHY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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