U.s. Rogue Nation Image Hurts Dollar In Asia

[kat]

That's funny Butterfly.  Here I think it's the CommieDemos who seek to Bankrupt the country so it can be rebuit from scratch into their worker's paradise which makes us all slaves.    We are all different.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Oh, I think you are the comedian. If you think the limp, centrist opposition-party to the current neo-cons are commie/Demos, the same party that initiated "Welfare to Work," YOU are the real jester here.

And yet, most of you are not laughing at W.'s latest opportunistic move of giving migrant laborers more rights than you can shake a mop and rag at. Guess the jokes on you.

[Boon Mee]

That's funny Butterfly.  Here I think it's the CommieDemos who seek to Bankrupt the country so it can be rebuit from scratch into their worker's paradise which makes us all slaves.      We are all different.

And yet, most of you are not laughing at W.'s latest opportunistic move of giving migrant laborers more rights than you can shake a mop and rag at. Guess the jokes on you.

No, but I'm laughing at that one!

[britmaveric]

That's funny Butterfly.  Here I think it's the CommieDemos who seek to Bankrupt the country so it can be rebuit from scratch into their worker's paradise which makes us all slaves.    We are all different.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Oh, I think you are the comedian. If you think the limp, centrist opposition-party to the current neo-cons are commie/Demos, the same party that initiated "Welfare to Work," YOU are the real jester here.

And yet, most of you are not laughing at W.'s latest opportunistic move of giving migrant laborers more rights than you can shake a mop and rag at. Guess the jokes on you.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I suspect migrant workers will be doing work that most citizens dont want to do anyways.

[kat]

No, but I'm laughing at that one!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Yes, I suppose you're trying to keep from cryin', because you know I'm right

I suspect migrant workers will be doing work that most citizens dont want to do anyways.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Yes Brit, I agree. But you must understand, American neo-cons love to croak about how dems and anti-bushites are "commies", while their good 'ol boy W. passes reforms for undocumented workers that the rest of them whine about all day on Fox News.

Edited December 22, 2004 by kat

[lamphun]

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[Butterfly]

Why do you guys hate freedom?

We have been attacked for god sake !!!

Bush can have you swallow all kind of silly things, can't he ?

Wash

Rinse

Repeat

Edited December 22, 2004 by Butterfly

[Butterfly]

Yes Brit, I agree.  But you must understand, American neo-cons love to croak about how dems and anti-bushites are "commies", while their good 'ol boy W. passes reforms for undocumented workers that the rest of them whine about all day on Fox News.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

NeoCons are the worst scums on earth. They promote a new kind of Nazism, still they will achieve Communism at the end. Basically a society with no diversity, no freedom of choice, where big corporations will tell you what to wear, eat and buy, so they can maximize profits and minimize service.

Edited December 22, 2004 by Butterfly

[chuchok]

Yes Brit, I agree.  But you must understand, American neo-cons love to croak about how dems and anti-bushites are "commies", while their good 'ol boy W. passes reforms for undocumented workers that the rest of them whine about all day on Fox News.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

NeoCons are the worst scums on earth. They promote a new kind of Nazism, still they will achieve Communism at the end. Basically a society with no diversity, no freedom of choice, where big corporations will tell you what to wear, eat and buy, so they can maximize profits and minimize service .

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Isn't that what you've got now?

[Spee]

And yet, most of you are not laughing at W.'s latest opportunistic move of giving migrant laborers more rights than you can shake a mop and rag at.  Guess the jokes on you.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Going way OT on this one but ...

What he is trying to do (in conjunction with the new governor) is establish some limited initial control over a situation that ran so rampant under the Clinton and Davis administrations that it more or less bankrupted the state of California.

IOW, the problem already existed and had already spiraled out of control. He (and the governor) should be given credit for making an attempt to address the problem.

That is unless you are one of those who were thrilled with the miserably failed immigration policies of Clinton and Davis. In that case, no amount of convincing is going to change your mind anyway.

[Boon Mee]

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Appears to be a load of drivel...

[ray23]

Dec. 20 (Bloomberg) -- Being an American overseas these days can be a surreal experience. Virtually everyone, it seems, seeks that 10-minute why-I'm-upset-with-the-U.S. conversation.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I read the entire article and failed to see any correlations made between the dollar's current status and US short term and long term economic policy. All I read was a bunch of hearsay mumbo-jumbo about how US foreign policy is causing the dollar to tank. WHAT RUBBISH!!!

The US is directly responsible for about 35% of the total world economy, and significantly impacts the other 65%. That is hardly consistent with the US being a "rogue nation." Would a "rogue nation" willingly continue to supply 90-something-% of all foreign aid being given to places like Africa?

I'm not the brightest bulb in the ol' xmas tree, but I gotta believe the dollar is currently "weak" because US economic policy wants it to be "weak" as part of a longer term monetary policy. Contrary to popular opinion, there are benefits to having a "weak" dollar.

As far as LoS goes, I believe the Thai Baht is intended to be directly linked with the dollar anyway, which is intended to keep it in the 38-42 ThB per dollar range. Is that necessarily a bad thing? Seems like a pretty good decision to me.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Guys I just don't see the crisis, tha baht is just about where it was last year. I didn't see any discussion when it hit 38 last year, so why the panic now. It seems to have run just about the same as it has been for the past four years.

FXHistory: historical currency exchange rates

Conversion Table: USD to THB (Interbank rate)

Time period: 12/16/03 to 12/22/04.

Daily averages: 12/16/2003 39.720

12/17/2003 39.6950

12/18/2003 39.7090

12/19/2003 39.6690

12/20/2003 39.6710

12/21/2003 39.6920

12/22/2003 39.6190

12/23/2003 39.6470

12/24/2003 39.6550

12/25/2003 39.6920

12/26/2003 39.6540

12/27/2003 39.6470

12/28/2003 39.5990

12/29/2003 39.690

12/30/2003 39.6290

12/31/2003 39.710

01/01/2004 39.7090

01/02/2004 39.6660

01/03/2004 39.6020

01/04/2004 39.6570

01/05/2004 39.6810

01/06/2004 39.3810

01/07/2004 39.140

01/08/2004 39.0130

01/09/2004 39.0050

01/10/2004 39.0160

01/11/2004 39.0890

01/12/2004 39.1390

01/13/2004 38.9490

01/14/2004 38.9810

01/15/2004 39.0340

01/16/2004 39.0590

01/17/2004 39.0590

01/18/2004 39.5390

01/19/2004 39.1460

01/20/2004 39.1440

01/21/2004 39.1170

01/22/2004 39.0670

01/23/2004 39.0690

01/24/2004 39.1670

01/25/2004 39.190

01/26/2004 39.2140

01/27/2004 39.3810

01/28/2004 39.1310

01/29/2004 39.190

01/30/2004 39.2780

01/31/2004 39.2780

02/01/2004 39.2780

02/02/2004 39.2780

02/03/2004 39.2720

02/04/2004 39.2070

02/05/2004 39.1450

02/06/2004 39.2460

02/07/2004 39.0970

02/08/2004 39.130

02/09/2004 39.2320

02/10/2004 39.0640

02/11/2004 39.050

02/12/2004 38.9980

02/13/2004 38.9310

02/14/2004 38.9880

02/15/2004 39.1240

02/16/2004 39.0310

02/17/2004 39.0390

02/18/2004 39.1060

02/19/2004 39.4230

02/20/2004 39.1880

02/21/2004 39.3670

02/22/2004 39.2390

02/23/2004 39.3410

02/24/2004 39.3380

02/25/2004 39.280

02/26/2004 39.3650

02/27/2004 39.3950

02/28/2004 39.3430

02/29/2004 39.2230

03/01/2004 39.2770

03/02/2004 39.2950

03/03/2004 39.3970

03/04/2004 39.490

03/05/2004 39.6820

03/06/2004 39.3710

03/07/2004 39.5050

03/08/2004 39.3130

03/09/2004 39.5320

03/10/2004 39.3710

03/11/2004 39.4780

03/12/2004 39.3220

03/13/2004 39.4180

03/14/2004 39.4170

03/15/2004 39.3640

03/16/2004 39.470

03/17/2004 39.5520

03/18/2004 39.4610

03/19/2004 39.4030

03/20/2004 39.4550

03/21/2004 39.4730

03/22/2004 39.4570

03/23/2004 39.5060

03/24/2004 39.5460

03/25/2004 39.5610

03/26/2004 39.5950

03/27/2004 39.5170

03/28/2004 39.5590

03/29/2004 39.5360

03/30/2004 39.5890

03/31/2004 39.6270

04/01/2004 39.3160

04/02/2004 39.2140

04/03/2004 39.2550

04/04/2004 39.2480

04/05/2004 39.220

04/06/2004 39.1590

04/07/2004 39.1790

04/08/2004 39.1180

04/09/2004 39.1720

04/10/2004 39.1390

04/11/2004 39.1670

04/12/2004 39.1710

04/13/2004 39.170

04/14/2004 39.2170

04/15/2004 39.4240

04/16/2004 39.6680

04/17/2004 39.3880

04/18/2004 39.390

04/19/2004 39.4340

04/20/2004 39.4060

04/21/2004 39.4930

04/22/2004 39.670

04/23/2004 39.6970

04/24/2004 39.7070

04/25/2004 39.520

04/26/2004 39.5660

04/27/2004 39.640

04/28/2004 39.6840

04/29/2004 39.8970

04/30/2004 40.0890

05/01/2004 40.0620

05/02/2004 40.070

05/03/2004 40.1040

05/04/2004 40.0760

05/05/2004 40.0240

05/06/2004 39.9060

05/07/2004 39.9130

05/08/2004 40.2450

05/09/2004 40.1820

05/10/2004 40.2870

05/11/2004 40.7190

05/12/2004 40.6580

05/13/2004 40.5510

05/14/2004 40.8390

05/15/2004 40.9380

05/16/2004 40.9550

05/17/2004 40.8710

05/18/2004 40.860

05/19/2004 40.8750

05/20/2004 40.7750

05/21/2004 40.8720

05/22/2004 40.8130

05/23/2004 40.7860

05/24/2004 40.8510

05/25/2004 40.8210

05/26/2004 40.8880

05/27/2004 40.8380

05/28/2004 40.6860

05/29/2004 40.5960

05/30/2004 40.6130

05/31/2004 40.5310

06/01/2004 40.6180

06/02/2004 40.6850

06/03/2004 40.670

06/04/2004 40.7320

06/05/2004 40.7540

06/06/2004 40.7590

06/07/2004 40.6710

06/08/2004 40.5820

06/09/2004 40.6510

06/10/2004 40.6390

06/11/2004 40.6610

06/12/2004 40.7290

06/13/2004 40.7690

06/14/2004 40.7710

06/15/2004 41.0340

06/16/2004 40.9890

06/17/2004 40.9520

06/18/2004 40.9520

06/19/2004 40.9980

06/20/2004 41.0080

06/21/2004 41.010

06/22/2004 40.9430

06/23/2004 41.0170

06/24/2004 40.9930

06/25/2004 40.8920

06/26/2004 40.860

06/27/2004 40.8870

06/28/2004 40.9480

06/29/2004 40.9050

06/30/2004 40.9140

07/01/2004 40.9390

07/02/2004 40.8690

07/03/2004 40.7470

07/04/2004 40.7070

07/05/2004 40.7310

07/06/2004 40.7870

07/07/2004 40.8710

07/08/2004 40.8440

07/09/2004 40.8590

07/10/2004 40.7710

07/11/2004 40.8090

07/12/2004 40.8350

07/13/2004 40.7320

07/14/2004 40.8010

07/15/2004 40.8020

07/16/2004 40.8640

07/17/2004 40.8480

07/18/2004 40.9340

07/19/2004 40.8740

07/20/2004 40.8140

07/21/2004 40.8730

07/22/2004 41.0590

07/23/2004 40.9760

07/24/2004 41.070

07/25/2004 41.1160

07/26/2004 41.1370

07/27/2004 41.2530

07/28/2004 41.360

07/29/2004 41.5010

07/30/2004 41.4650

07/31/2004 41.3320

08/01/2004 41.3820

08/02/2004 41.3480

08/03/2004 41.3830

08/04/2004 41.480

08/05/2004 41.520

08/06/2004 41.5310

08/07/2004 41.4090

08/08/2004 41.5230

08/09/2004 41.4820

08/10/2004 41.4830

08/11/2004 41.4510

08/12/2004 41.5820

08/13/2004 41.580

08/14/2004 41.5460

08/15/2004 41.5870

08/16/2004 41.5830

08/17/2004 41.5490

08/18/2004 41.5380

08/19/2004 41.4930

08/20/2004 41.480

08/21/2004 41.4780

08/22/2004 41.5250

08/23/2004 41.5010

08/24/2004 41.5080

08/25/2004 41.5110

08/26/2004 41.5670

08/27/2004 41.70

08/28/2004 41.750

08/29/2004 41.6710

08/30/2004 41.7110

08/31/2004 41.740

09/01/2004 41.6880

09/02/2004 41.6690

09/03/2004 41.5940

09/04/2004 41.6150

09/05/2004 41.7310

09/06/2004 41.5830

09/07/2004 41.6520

09/08/2004 41.7160

09/09/2004 41.6680

09/10/2004 41.6560

09/11/2004 41.6190

09/12/2004 41.6010

09/13/2004 41.7250

09/14/2004 41.5830

09/15/2004 41.2890

09/16/2004 41.3350

09/17/2004 41.3280

09/18/2004 41.3220

09/19/2004 41.3420

09/20/2004 41.2940

09/21/2004 41.3440

09/22/2004 41.2450

09/23/2004 41.3980

09/24/2004 41.4720

09/25/2004 41.4440

09/26/2004 41.4660

09/27/2004 41.4290

09/28/2004 41.5710

09/29/2004 41.6290

09/30/2004 41.5710

10/01/2004 41.5060

10/02/2004 41.3760

10/03/2004 41.4370

10/04/2004 41.4910

10/05/2004 41.4160

10/06/2004 41.4720

10/07/2004 41.4410

10/08/2004 41.4330

10/09/2004 41.3440

10/10/2004 41.3440

10/11/2004 41.3680

10/12/2004 41.3460

10/13/2004 41.3280

10/14/2004 41.4240

10/15/2004 41.4510

10/16/2004 41.4830

10/17/2004 41.510

10/18/2004 41.5290

10/19/2004 41.4780

10/20/2004 41.3890

10/21/2004 41.3680

10/22/2004 41.3720

10/23/2004 41.2360

10/24/2004 41.3490

10/25/2004 41.3280

10/26/2004 41.1550

10/27/2004 41.0570

10/28/2004 41.1160

10/29/2004 41.0340

10/30/2004 41.0280

10/31/2004 41.0050

11/01/2004 40.9140

11/02/2004 41.1010

11/03/2004 41.0140

11/04/2004 41.2140

11/05/2004 41.0070

11/06/2004 40.8650

11/07/2004 40.9340

11/08/2004 40.9550

11/09/2004 40.7530

11/10/2004 40.6930

11/11/2004 40.7170

11/12/2004 40.7120

11/13/2004 40.4050

11/14/2004 40.5040

11/15/2004 40.3410

11/16/2004 40.430

11/17/2004 40.3930

11/18/2004 40.1810

11/19/2004 40.2010

11/20/2004 39.9660

11/21/2004 40.0660

11/22/2004 40.1020

11/23/2004 39.8550

11/24/2004 39.8680

11/25/2004 39.7670

11/26/2004 39.5360

11/27/2004 39.4680

11/28/2004 39.4570

11/29/2004 39.4910

11/30/2004 39.5510

12/01/2004 39.5350

12/02/2004 39.4040

12/03/2004 39.2520

12/04/2004 39.120

12/05/2004 39.1620

12/06/2004 39.0670

12/07/2004 39.2440

12/08/2004 39.1280

12/09/2004 39.4790

12/10/2004 39.7020

12/11/2004 39.7750

12/12/2004 39.6230

12/13/2004 39.7990

12/14/2004 39.470

12/15/2004 39.4980

12/16/2004 39.3420

12/17/2004 39.2130

12/18/2004 39.220

12/19/2004 39.2320

12/20/2004 39.1590

12/21/2004 39.1840

12/22/2004 39.0170

Average (373 days): 40.31129

High: 41.77000

Low: 38.55300

[ray23]

Japan holds majority of said securities and they aren't pulling the plug anytime soon.  Japanese PM openly endorsed Bush during the election period.

Low dollar rate is purely artificial to spur economic growth- I have an inkling once present US govt is satisfied you will see the dollar skyrocket. 

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Dec. 20 (Bloomberg) -- Being an American overseas these days can be a surreal experience. Virtually everyone, it seems, seeks that 10-minute why-I'm-upset-with-the-U.S. conversation

Thats funny the Thia's here where I live in Issan have said nothing like this. I've heard lots of comments like this from the other farrangs living here but not the Thai's of Course they don't watch CNN and the BBC. Overall the Thais here seem to be very happy trying to get more of those greenback supplied baht out of my wallet

[Butterfly]

Yes Brit, I agree.  But you must understand, American neo-cons love to croak about how dems and anti-bushites are "commies", while their good 'ol boy W. passes reforms for undocumented workers that the rest of them whine about all day on Fox News.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

NeoCons are the worst scums on earth. They promote a new kind of Nazism, still they will achieve Communism at the end. Basically a society with no diversity, no freedom of choice, where big corporations will tell you what to wear, eat and buy, so they can maximize profits and minimize service .

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Isn't that what you've got now?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Yes, but this is just the begining.

The 14 Defining Characteristics Of Fascism

http://www.rense.com/general37/fascism.htm

Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each

[lamphun]

Japan holds majority of said securities and they aren't pulling the plug anytime soon.  Japanese PM openly endorsed Bush during the election period.

Low dollar rate is purely artificial to spur economic growth- I have an inkling once present US govt is satisfied you will see the dollar skyrocket. 

Dec. 20 (Bloomberg) -- Being an American overseas these days can be a surreal experience. Virtually everyone, it seems, seeks that 10-minute why-I'm-upset-with-the-U.S. conversation

Thats funny the Thia's here where I live in Issan have said nothing like this. I've heard lots of comments like this from the other farrangs living here but not the Thai's of Course they don't watch CNN and the BBC. Overall the Thais here seem to be very happy trying to get more of those greenback supplied baht out of my wallet

They might not be so happy when the greenback does an Argentinian style dive. Do you have any Euro's ?

[britmaveric]

Japan holds majority of said securities and they aren't pulling the plug anytime soon.  Japanese PM openly endorsed Bush during the election period.

Low dollar rate is purely artificial to spur economic growth- I have an inkling once present US govt is satisfied you will see the dollar skyrocket. 

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Dec. 20 (Bloomberg) -- Being an American overseas these days can be a surreal experience. Virtually everyone, it seems, seeks that 10-minute why-I'm-upset-with-the-U.S. conversation

Thats funny the Thia's here where I live in Issan have said nothing like this. I've heard lots of comments like this from the other farrangs living here but not the Thai's of Course they don't watch CNN and the BBC. Overall the Thais here seem to be very happy trying to get more of those greenback supplied baht out of my wallet

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

They might not be so happy when the greenback does an Argentinian style dive. Do you have any Euro's ?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Highly unlikely - watch for a steep rise in $.

[aughie]

That's funny Butterfly.  Here I think it's the CommieDemos who seek to Bankrupt the country so it can be rebuit from scratch into their worker's paradise which makes us all slaves.      We are all different.

Oh, I think you are the comedian. If you think the limp, centrist opposition-party to the current neo-cons are commie/Demos, the same party that initiated "Welfare to Work," YOU are the real jester here.

And yet, most of you are not laughing at W.'s latest opportunistic move of giving migrant laborers more rights than you can shake a mop and rag at. Guess the jokes on you.

Welfare to Work that would be funny. They shifted people from welfare to disability. Asthma, panic attacks, drug addiction, alcoholism, you can't beleive how the sale of anti depressants soared when people were told they must work. They went from one government program to another.

The disability insurance in California is killing businesses so businesses hirer illegals not just for farm labor but for landscaping, roofing, painting, carpentry in general. llegals are not confined to unwanted jobs. That is a media myth. Workman's compensation rates have increased 300 percent since 1999.

"In May 2003, we heard the message from Rich Lawson, owner of Lawson Roofing Company in San Francisco: Workers' comp costs shot from $240,000 in 1998 to $1 million this year. The nonprofit Rubicon Children's Center in Fremont, which cares for at-risk children, saw its costs jump from $84,000 to $193,000 in one year, causing new programs to be put on hold. And MacMurray Pacific in San Francisco, a family-owned wholesale hardware supply store, was hit with a premium increase from $46,000 to $89,000 in one year."

CommieDemo interests benefit from illegal immigration. IIs receive more in government benefits than they ever pay in via sales taxes or gas taxes. They add to the number people relying on the government for assistence. CDemos need people on the system to justify their existence. They need more and more people on programs so they can point to the failure of the US form of capitalism. Uneducated IIs when they become citizens will surely not become Repubs.

The Los Angeles school district pulled American students with spanish surnames from english speaking classrooms and placed them in spanish only speaking classrooms in order to justifiy the program. Yes it is an example of silly extremism but it exists.

CommiesDemos benefit from the swelling in numbers of the poor and the uneducated. That is their fan base.

Weak centrist party! Another laugh. Any one knows a good commie moves like fishes in the current. So now they are centrist. Do you forget Hillary's attempt to socialize medicine in the US? Do you think she has forgotten it?

Yes Bush apprecites the latino vote this last election and he has proposed to return the favor. We will see if the Congress wil do anything. Bush's proposal may end up being only lip service.

Despite Bush's pandering to the religion folks of America I say there is not much difference between the two parties. They both pursue liberal ideas in different areas.

Please note I am not knocking IIs. They are merely pawns of a system that benefits from their desire to work. CDs and Repub business interests, both benefit. Not all Demos are commies.

-a

I would rather be on a beach. I envy you guys. who are.

Edited December 23, 2004 by aughie

[ray23]

Japan holds majority of said securities and they aren't pulling the plug anytime soon.  Japanese PM openly endorsed Bush during the election period.

Low dollar rate is purely artificial to spur economic growth- I have an inkling once present US govt is satisfied you will see the dollar skyrocket.  

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Dec. 20 (Bloomberg) -- Being an American overseas these days can be a surreal experience. Virtually everyone, it seems, seeks that 10-minute why-I'm-upset-with-the-U.S. conversation

Thats funny the Thia's here where I live in Issan have said nothing like this. I've heard lots of comments like this from the other farrangs living here but not the Thai's of Course they don't watch CNN and the BBC. Overall the Thais here seem to be very happy trying to get more of those greenback supplied baht out of my wallet

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

They might not be so happy when the greenback does an Argentinian style dive. Do you have any Euro's ?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

No Euros but plenty of baht

[stroll]

CommieDemo interests benefit from illegal immigration.  IIs receive more in government benefits than they ever pay in  via sales taxes or gas taxes.  They add to the number people relying on the government for assistence.  CDemos need people on the system to justify their existence. They need more and more people on programs so they can point to the failure of the US form of capitalism.  Uneducated IIs when they become citizens will surely not become Repubs.

...

CommiesDemos benefit from the swelling in numbers of the poor and  the uneducated.  That is their fan base.

Weak centrist party!  Another laugh.  Any one knows a good commie moves like fishes in the current.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Where did you dig this load of horse dung up?

Fox news or free.republic?

[aughie]

CommieDemo interests benefit from illegal immigration.  IIs receive more in government benefits than they ever pay in  via sales taxes or gas taxes.   They add to the number people relying on the government for assistence.  CDemos need people on the system to justify their existence. They need more and more people on programs so they can point to the failure of the US form of capitalism.  Uneducated IIs when they become citizens will surely not become Repubs.

...

CommiesDemos benefit from the swelling in numbers of the poor and  the uneducated.  That is their fan base.

Weak centrist party!  Another laugh.  Any one knows a good commie moves like fishes in the current.

Where did you dig this load of horse dung up?

Fox news or free.republic?

I get my facts the same place that Kat and Butterfly do. They are under the pillow when I wake up in the morning.

[Jeff1]

Japan holds majority of said securities and they aren't pulling the plug anytime soon.  Japanese PM openly endorsed Bush during the election period.

Low dollar rate is purely artificial to spur economic growth- I have an inkling once present US govt is satisfied you will see the dollar skyrocket.  

you wanna bet?

I'll take that bet .

The dollar ALWAYS goes down at this time . It will go even farther for the next 3 months , to about 37 then it will go up again to it's usual 40 -42 . I get my exchange rate from the BKK bank website ( for 6 years ) they also have a " history feature " that you can click on to see where the dollar / baht was last year.

Rouge nation my A$$ , Get off it already , your boring .

Edited December 23, 2004 by Jeff1

[chuchok]

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[kat]

Yes Brit, I agree.  But you must understand, American neo-cons love to croak about how dems and anti-bushites are "commies", while their good 'ol boy W. passes reforms for undocumented workers that the rest of them whine about all day on Fox News.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

NeoCons are the worst scums on earth. They promote a new kind of Nazism, still they will achieve Communism at the end. Basically a society with no diversity, no freedom of choice, where big corporations will tell you what to wear, eat and buy, so they can maximize profits and minimize service .

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Isn't that what you've got now?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Actually, no, that isn't what we've got now. There are many criticisms of America that are justified, but we are a diverse society. And more than half of us are trying desperately to hold onto our freedom of choice.

[chuchok]

Yes Brit, I agree.  But you must understand, American neo-cons love to croak about how dems and anti-bushites are "commies", while their good 'ol boy W. passes reforms for undocumented workers that the rest of them whine about all day on Fox News.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

NeoCons are the worst scums on earth. They promote a new kind of Nazism, still they will achieve Communism at the end. Basically a society with no diversity, no freedom of choice, where big corporations will tell you what to wear, eat and buy, so they can maximize profits and minimize service .

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Isn't that what you've got now?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Actually, no, that isn't what we've got now. There are many criticisms of America that are justified, but we are a diverse society. And more than half of us are trying desperately to hold onto our freedom of choice.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Kat,

I was taking the piss,ever so slightly.Big business/politicians and all that.

[kat]

CommieDemo interests benefit from illegal immigration.  IIs receive more in government benefits than they ever pay in  via sales taxes or gas taxes.   They add to the number people relying on the government for assistence.  CDemos need people on the system to justify their existence. They need more and more people on programs so they can point to the failure of the US form of capitalism.  Uneducated IIs when they become citizens will surely not become Repubs.

...

CommiesDemos benefit from the swelling in numbers of the poor and  the uneducated.  That is their fan base.

Weak centrist party!  Another laugh.  Any one knows a good commie moves like fishes in the current.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Where did you dig this load of horse dung up?

Fox news or free.republic?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I get my facts the same place that Kat and Butterfly do. They are under the pillow when I wake up in the morning.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You wish you could get your facts from under my pillow! If you did, they would be bolstered by experience in additon to whatever propoganda you spew from your right-wing, McCarthy era, rag. I don't have time to respond to your reactionary drivel in full at the moment, but here are a few points:

Aughie's quote: "Welfare to Work that would be funny. They shifted people from welfare to disability. Asthma, panic attacks, drug addiction, alcoholism, you can't beleive how the sale of anti depressants soared when people were told they must work. They went from one government program to another."

The term PEOPLE, differs significantly from ALL people. There were plenty of people, including single mothers, that were shifted to work, mostly dead-end, minimum wage jobs that couldn't even cover the cost of bus fare, nevermind their monthly childcare bill. And please spare us your pseudo analysis: It should surprise no one that there was an initial spike in disability claims, since many of these people were either unemployable or borderline disabled to begin with, hence their status as welfare receipients. DUH! I think you get your information from the bottom of your pillow, with your eyes firmly shut!

Aughie: "CommieDemo interests benefit from illegal immigration ... BLAH BLAH BLAH ... receive more in government benefits than they ever pay ... BLAH BLAH .. CDemos need people on the system to justify their existence ... They need more and more people on programs ... BLAH BLAH ... so they can point to the failure of the US ... BLAH BLAH ... Uneducated IIs when they become citizens will surely not become Repubs ... BLAH BLAH BLAH ...

TO AUGHIE's MAIN CONTRADICTORY STATEMENT:

"Yes Bush apprecites the latino vote this last election and he has proposed to return the favor."

To say Bush "appreciated" the Latino and religous vote is an understatement deserving of a fine for typing while under the influence. He absolutely won the election by pandering to the special interests of both, of which his whole new "illegals are people too" is a major part. So either, your guy is more of a commie than the "commie/dems ever were, or he is a LIAR. Which is it?

I'll make it easy for you Aughie - He's both.

I can go on, but unfortunately I don't have time, and lost my a prior post to you. I want to make one point in parting, though, which I will gladly follow up.

As someone who is originally from a community that was "uplifted" by Welfare to Work, I want neo cons like you who whinge night and day about the supposed "undeserving poor" and commie/dems dragging the country to communism, to put your accumulated assets where your mouth is or shut up.

Give back all family capital that was made on the back of a slave economy, appreciated over the decades under the policies of a racist, segregationist state of unequal pay, employment, property ownership, and rental arrangements, red-lining districts and the racist policy of banks and major housing finance organizations, and the tax incentives that coaxed the white and middle-class out of the inner-cities to the suburbs to become brand new home owners and business operators, which have sinced transformed many of them into the upper-middle class and wealthy, who all cry COMMUNISTS as soon as some Mayor or public official wants to redistribute tax dollars to the needy inner-city schools that can't even afford text books for every child written within the last 20 years.

I have to go now, but I'm not done with you yet.

[britmaveric]

Kat- I love pillow talk!

[aughie]

I am not a NeoCon and I am not a Bush fan nor do I cheer for the MNC scenario. I avoid aligning with an"ism" and I normally avoid political discussions because people end up using capital letters when they type their posts. I will poke either political party and the green party too. I am sorry if you don't see the hardcore elements in the Demo party. You see them in the Repub party and you have labeled me one of them. That's why I avoid this stuff. People are so used to being on a side, their side. For some their side is right for the less ardent their side is best. Defend your side. Please don't say I am on the other side. Because I comment, it doesn't mean I am taking on my enemy or opponent. If you don't think your party has problems fine. If you don't think there are bureaucrats and elected officials who are more interested in their legacy their programs moreso than the people thay are meant to provide service to fine.

I can see where this is going. You have typed the word "racist". So now anything I might disagree with you about makes me suspect or a defender of racist ideology and practices? Is that a tactic used? Because that is what I see coming. No thanks.

Appreciate

1 a : to grasp the nature, worth, quality, or significance of <appreciate the difference between right and wrong> b : to value or admire highly <appreciates our work> c : to judge with heightened perception or understanding : be fully aware of <must see it to appreciate it> d : to recognize with gratitude <certainly appreciates your kindness>

I wasn't being flippant and it was not an understatement. In the next paragraph I stated Bush pandered. He is not my buddy. He is not my guy.

Moving people from welfare to disability ended up being clever politically. Now if a person questions the integrity of the social program they must be truely heartless. You question a disabled person's right to breathe? I don't. I question the shuffling of people and then saying mission accomplished. I know people have gone to work. I see them daily. It was politically clever to prescribe the status 'disabled' to people who can't work for whatever reason. The issue becomes untouchable unless one can handle being labled. As a citizen I do not trust what I can't question. It may be your party has lost the trust of people. Is your party without fault for this? It is all right wing propoganda? I think the propoganda with its kernal of truths and the years of the media projecting an image that everything has only gotten worse has done your party in this time around. The media never cites improvement so maybe people have come to a conclusion that the programs aren't working and the statistics are suspect.

I don't know. It seems to me in a western society people push and push until someone pushes back. So things are a constant struggle for ground. People think if they give an inch someone will take a mile so no one admits any fault or mistake. Now does that sound like a sense of community? It sounds like a shouting match. It sounds like the sad comedy passed off as debate on CNNs Crossfire.

In my city the school district built a new office building to house the administrative body in the most prime city block. The projected cost was $115 million but it came in over budget. I did not find the actual cost in my search. The teachers protest in front of this tower when they learn of the new administrative expenditures and the new classroom cuts and teacher benefit cuts.. There is plenty of office space in my city. They didn't need to build a space for themselves. I don't think any Repubs who don't donate cash to the Demo party (or Demo causes whereby the money then makes its way to the Demo party) had any chance of being awarded any of the lesser scrutinized contracts on the building construction and planning. A person could argue the office is an investment. It saves on rent. Public officials who work hard for the people deserve comfortable surroundings. When I look up at it I see a monument built to themselves. It is their legacy. It is about them and not kids. Kids who are our future. I too care about children. I point out what I believe to be a diservice to the public. It is not my ideology I seek to reinforce or prove right.

Pick my post apart. I expect it in a forum setting. It was not a righteous post. (Am I now a religious zealot because I used the word 'righteous'?) Sometimes people after having posted on a topic sincerely wish to read what others have to say. A post is not always an evil troll.

"Undeserving poor" those are your words set in your quotes coming from your inference.

I am not a whinging miser. I am not Scrooge counting pennies and asking for my money back.

You don't know my suffering. Your ouchie is not greater than mine.

You may not be done with me yet??? I know there are posts I wish I had edited. Wait. I'm not sure you see it. You are not done with me yet? You will take care of me at your convenience and I shall await your rebukes? Who do you think you are? (See how easily someone can make assumptions from what is written?)

Post all you want. Don't be surprised if you hear the sound of one hand clapping. This is not why I am here. I regret if I upset anyone else and set them on a path that only leads to dissatisfaction. I seldom see these things sorted out with both sides satisfied.

-a

This is my viewpoint: If a person chooses to be political they must decide which lie they are going to believe.

Edited December 23, 2004 by aughie

[aughie]

It didn't take my happy face in the edit attempt.

[kat]

Well, wow, Aughie; now you've made me all weepy and consumed with guilt. I am an ogre, I am a very mean-spirited, goodness-crushing, Aughie-persecuting bitch, I don't deserve to walk the earth. I am going to hang your name on the top of my Christmas Tree, I am - hey wait a minute, I read your post again, and you were the one who used the term - commie/demos?

C'mon Aughie, if you are not a neo-con or someone who sypmathizes with their point of view, you have certainly used their language and rhetoric to a right-wing hilt.

I have only read the top portion of your recent post so far, so I can not fully respons. That is what I mean by "I am not finished." Just when I think I was a little rough on you, I go back and read your first post again. I don't think so.

But look, what does it matter. You don't know me, and I don't know you. I cannot change your beliefs, nor you mine. The argument you construed the first time did have a racist undertone which I've heard a million times before.

"I am sorry if you don't see the hardcore elements in the Demo party."

No problem Aughie, I agree. But this is not the position you put forth in your first post.

"I can see where this is going. You have typed the word "racist". So now anything I might disagree with you about makes me suspect or a defender of racist ideology and practices? Is that a tactic used? Because that is what I see coming. No thanks."

No, Aughie, anything you say will not be suspected of racist ideology, except arguments or words that are part of racist ideology. But I did not call you a racist, because I don't know if you are one. And no, I don't need to resort to such "tactics" to defend an argument.

Look, I'm sorry also if my reaction was too strong or unfair. But I have to tell you that in your first post, you used fighting words. You called people "illegals" and referred to a centrist party like the democrats as "commies." I'm not sure if you are fully aware of your argument's implications, but that's what my argument was about. Sorry if I misunderstood you.

I will be back to discuss this further, but I just can't tonight.

Happy Holidays, good weekend, and Merry Christmas, Aughie, and everyone.

[Boon Mee]

CommieDemo interests benefit from illegal immigration.  IIs receive more in government benefits than they ever pay in  via sales taxes or gas taxes.   They add to the number people relying on the government for assistence.  CDemos need people on the system to justify their existence. They need more and more people on programs so they can point to the failure of the US form of capitalism.  Uneducated IIs when they become citizens will surely not become Repubs.

...

CommiesDemos benefit from the swelling in numbers of the poor and  the uneducated.  That is their fan base.

Weak centrist party!  Another laugh.  Any one knows a good commie moves like fishes in the current.

Where did you dig this load of horse dung up?

Fox news or free.republic?

I get my facts the same place that Kat and Butterfly do. They are under the pillow when I wake up in the morning.

You wish you could get your facts from under my pillow! If you did, they would be bolstered by experience in additon to whatever propoganda you spew from your right-wing, McCarthy era, rag. I don't have time to respond to your reactionary drivel in full at the moment, but here are a few points:

Aughie's quote: "Welfare to Work that would be funny. They shifted people from welfare to disability. Asthma, panic attacks, drug addiction, alcoholism, you can't beleive how the sale of anti depressants soared when people were told they must work. They went from one government program to another."

The term PEOPLE, differs significantly from ALL people. There were plenty of people, including single mothers, that were shifted to work, mostly dead-end, minimum wage jobs that couldn't even cover the cost of bus fare, nevermind their monthly childcare bill. And please spare us your pseudo analysis: It should surprise no one that there was an initial spike in disability claims, since many of these people were either unemployable or borderline disabled to begin with, hence their status as welfare receipients. DUH! I think you get your information from the bottom of your pillow, with your eyes firmly shut!

Aughie: "CommieDemo interests benefit from illegal immigration ... BLAH BLAH BLAH ... receive more in government benefits than they ever pay ... BLAH BLAH .. CDemos need people on the system to justify their existence ... They need more and more people on programs ... BLAH BLAH ... so they can point to the failure of the US ... BLAH BLAH ... Uneducated IIs when they become citizens will surely not become Repubs ... BLAH BLAH BLAH ...

TO AUGHIE's MAIN CONTRADICTORY STATEMENT:

"Yes Bush apprecites the latino vote this last election and he has proposed to return the favor."

To say Bush "appreciated" the Latino and religous vote is an understatement deserving of a fine for typing while under the influence. He absolutely won the election by pandering to the special interests of both, of which his whole new "illegals are people too" is a major part. So either, your guy is more of a commie than the "commie/dems ever were, or he is a LIAR. Which is it?

I'll make it easy for you Aughie - He's both.

I can go on, but unfortunately I don't have time, and lost my a prior post to you. I want to make one point in parting, though, which I will gladly follow up.

As someone who is originally from a community that was "uplifted" by Welfare to Work, I want neo cons like you who whinge night and day about the supposed "undeserving poor" and commie/dems dragging the country to communism, to put your accumulated assets where your mouth is or shut up.

Give back all family capital that was made on the back of a slave economy, appreciated over the decades under the policies of a racist, segregationist state of unequal pay, employment, property ownership, and rental arrangements, red-lining districts and the racist policy of banks and major housing finance organizations, and the tax incentives that coaxed the white and middle-class out of the inner-cities to the suburbs to become brand new home owners and business operators, which have sinced transformed many of them into the upper-middle class and wealthy, who all cry COMMUNISTS as soon as some Mayor or public official wants to redistribute tax dollars to the needy inner-city schools that can't even afford text books for every child written within the last 20 years.

Wow, what a rant!

[Boon Mee]

CommieDemo interests benefit from illegal immigration.  IIs receive more in government benefits than they ever pay in  via sales taxes or gas taxes.   They add to the number people relying on the government for assistence.  CDemos need people on the system to justify their existence. They need more and more people on programs so they can point to the failure of the US form of capitalism.  Uneducated IIs when they become citizens will surely not become Repubs.

...

CommiesDemos benefit from the swelling in numbers of the poor and  the uneducated.  That is their fan base.

Weak centrist party!  Another laugh.  Any one knows a good commie moves like fishes in the current.

Where did you dig this load of horse dung up?

Fox news or free.republic?

I get my facts the same place that Kat and Butterfly do. They are under the pillow when I wake up in the morning.

whatever propoganda you spew from your right-wing, McCarthy era, rag. .

CATHY SEIPP looks at the McCarthyism of the Left

...which seems to be where a lot of it is to be found these days