Australian Drug Smuggler Arrested At Suvarnabhumi

[neverdie]

What a tool, first you don't mess with drugs in thailand.... second if you are going to mess with drugs, you don't cary 3kilios through international airports.... Not only does he have to get through the Thai side, he would have had to get through customs on the other end.... Airports have drug sniffing dogs...

I am sorry but this guy sounds like a jackass, once he is caught he thinks about his daughter, how about being a father first not a herion smugler....

What a tool "do you know what I mean man"

Another Warren Fellows goes into Bang Kwan, kiss your humanity good-bye there.

Like most of the captured dope runners he'll most likely be a decoy mule grassed-up by his own side...

[Tolley]

Its a simple thing Tolley, really why don't we just legalise everything. If you want to smoke pot, thats OK. If I want to do armed hold-ups or mug old ladies that ok, that way each of us can look after our own. Of course we can do all of this because the levels of corruption amoungst the Police, Courts and Governments are so high, do you really think corruption is that high, or are you going to let a few bad eggs completely destroy a system, imagine if we gave up on something everytime a human being got greedy

You would have to be kidding about how much damage could a few extra drugs in society cause? You say that the benifits of Legalisation of drugs far outweighs the disadvantages, perhaps you could outline a few for us?

Imagine the beauty of legalising drugs, then we could add taxes to them....good for revenue.... but in that world, I'm not going to pay taxes, why would I bother to pay taxes?

We decriminalise drugs & move it over to the health system.....its good, everything is just in little boxes we can just move the problems around, neat and tidy. Maybe when the health systems had enough of the druggies we could move their problems over to the energy systems of the world, see if they can take care of the little box for a while?

Trying to solve the worlds drug problem is no easy job, I actually doubt it can be achieved & by flicking switches and changing laws willy nilly, isnt going to solve the problems.

One thing that most people seem to forget about when they talk about legalising drugs, that the actual production, purchase and consumption of the drugs isnt the whole problem. There are all the issues about dealing with the effects of people that are affected by drugs & the long term uses of such drugs. If it is the case that the use of a particular drug increases due to it becoming legalised then the greater affect of this has to be taken into consideration. Do you really think society as a whole has to change its laws & expectations to accomodate the few people that have substance abuse as a problem?

As for the idea that people with substance abuse problems wouldnt be in jail if the substance was legalised, that is the greatest load of rubbish. Despite what some people think, people with serious drug dependacies are unable to contribute to society in a full functioning way & neither should we want them. Do you really want to work alongside someone that is high on whatever....should that person be allowed to drive, operate machinary, make decisions that affect other people, how bout the local brain surgeon 'high' while he removes a tumor? Come on, get real! A lot of seriously effected people can't think of anything other than their next hit, they don't want to do an honest job, they want the cash hard & fast, there will still be crime. You wouldnt have to go too far to hear a story about how junkies rip off their own families & that type of thing to realise that this would still go on.

Anyway, I've got to go, I'm running late to get to a 'hang em high' club meeting !

You seem to think that all people who take illicit substances are thieveing conniving no goods.

The fact is that most people who take illicit substance are pretty much like you and me just average normal people. Unfortunately their drug of choice is not alcohol but an illegal one.

The vast majority of people who take illegal drugs are not criminals per see nor are they raging dope fiends like you seem to think.

As with alcohol a certain percentage of people have substance abuse problems but for those that take illicit substance that means their problems are more likely to involve jail time and ostracism from the general society and of course a certain demonisation by posters like yourself who seem to think that one form of substance abuse is worse than another.

It isn't and it is attitudes like yours that perpetuate this great divide myth between the "junkie" and the rest of society.

Legalise drugs and remove the profit incentive for criminal gangs.

And let the health system deal with the addicts.

[neverdie]

Its a simple thing Tolley, really why don't we just legalise everything. If you want to smoke pot, thats OK. If I want to do armed hold-ups or mug old ladies that ok, that way each of us can look after our own. Of course we can do all of this because the levels of corruption amoungst the Police, Courts and Governments are so high, do you really think corruption is that high, or are you going to let a few bad eggs completely destroy a system, imagine if we gave up on something everytime a human being got greedy

You would have to be kidding about how much damage could a few extra drugs in society cause? You say that the benifits of Legalisation of drugs far outweighs the disadvantages, perhaps you could outline a few for us?

Imagine the beauty of legalising drugs, then we could add taxes to them....good for revenue.... but in that world, I'm not going to pay taxes, why would I bother to pay taxes?

We decriminalise drugs & move it over to the health system.....its good, everything is just in little boxes we can just move the problems around, neat and tidy. Maybe when the health systems had enough of the druggies we could move their problems over to the energy systems of the world, see if they can take care of the little box for a while?

Trying to solve the worlds drug problem is no easy job, I actually doubt it can be achieved & by flicking switches and changing laws willy nilly, isnt going to solve the problems.

One thing that most people seem to forget about when they talk about legalising drugs, that the actual production, purchase and consumption of the drugs isnt the whole problem. There are all the issues about dealing with the effects of people that are affected by drugs & the long term uses of such drugs. If it is the case that the use of a particular drug increases due to it becoming legalised then the greater affect of this has to be taken into consideration. Do you really think society as a whole has to change its laws & expectations to accomodate the few people that have substance abuse as a problem?

As for the idea that people with substance abuse problems wouldnt be in jail if the substance was legalised, that is the greatest load of rubbish. Despite what some people think, people with serious drug dependacies are unable to contribute to society in a full functioning way & neither should we want them. Do you really want to work alongside someone that is high on whatever....should that person be allowed to drive, operate machinary, make decisions that affect other people, how bout the local brain surgeon 'high' while he removes a tumor? Come on, get real! A lot of seriously effected people can't think of anything other than their next hit, they don't want to do an honest job, they want the cash hard & fast, there will still be crime. You wouldnt have to go too far to hear a story about how junkies rip off their own families & that type of thing to realise that this would still go on.

Anyway, I've got to go, I'm running late to get to a 'hang em high' club meeting !

You seem to think that all people who take illicit substances are thieveing conniving no goods.

The fact is that most people who take illicit substance are pretty much like you and me just average normal people. Unfortunately their drug of choice is not alcohol but an illegal one.

The vast majority of people who take illegal drugs are not criminals per see nor are they raging dope fiends like you seem to think.

As with alcohol a certain percentage of people have substance abuse problems but for those that take illicit substance that means their problems are more likely to involve jail time and ostracism from the general society and of course a certain demonisation by posters like yourself who seem to think that one form of substance abuse is worse than another.

It isn't and it is attitudes like yours that perpetuate this great divide myth between the "junkie" and the rest of society.

Legalise drugs and remove the profit incentive for criminal gangs.

And let the health system deal with the addicts.

Yes, alright I give in, all those grubs I have dealt with for the last 20 years or so, cut em loose....that will solve everything.

Please forgive me for my indiscretions, being stabbed in the chest by a junkie on a wild crime spree seems to have tainted my opinion.

Edited December 24, 2008 by neverdie

[jackspratt]

Its funny isnt it dingdongrb, he's one of a kind our ole jackysplatter.

Oh dear! Two great minds about to get together

Edited December 24, 2008 by jackspratt

[neverdie]

"Oh dear! Two great minds about to get together "

You're only jealous Jack because you are operating on a 'shared brain', the other owner is constantly high on amphet, remember?

[warfie]

how amazingly off topic this entire thread has become...

[BeauKarl]

So is it preferable to treat an addict as a criminal, or a patient?

Also be interested to know your source for your last 2 statements.

Your first question: Depends what they do to pay for their addiction, but if put in jail some better programs need to be made to get them of it and to keep drugs out of jails.

Your second question: You've obviously no been around a lot or know any junkies

Your first answer - if they were treated as patients (ie under a legalised system), they wouldn't be in jail, as they wouldn't need to become involved in crime to feed their addiction.

Keep drugs out of jails - yes, a bit more the the corruption I mentioned earlier.

Your second answer - as a matter of fact I know two long term "junkies", one a family member, the other a family member of a very close friend. Both have either held down a long term job (swinging between heroin and methadone), the other running a very successful small business (now off the junk, because she has had a baby).

But I wouldn't profess to know "most junkies"

Everybody who's addicted has a chance in the west to get help, they only get help after they've been caught and are on a courts order to do so or when they lost just about everything in their life or family members tell them to do so as a last attempt.

In know of a doctor who uses a gram coce everyday, all his patients think he's great, but he comes homes and start smashing his wifes head in on a regular basis. He has the opportunity to seek help, just chooses not to.

If you want to lock yourself up and use whatever drugs, alcohol,... you want go ahead. But the fact is that nomatter what their addiction is, there's always other people around them who suffer.

[Artisi]

how amazingly off topic this entire thread has become...

Agreed, it started out as a discussion regarding some idiot strapping 3kg of herion to his body and trying to board an aircraft for Aust. same idiot get caught and accepts he is in deep sh1t knowing full well that what he was trying to do was wrong.

[neverdie]

how amazingly off topic this entire thread has become...

Agreed, it started out as a discussion regarding some idiot strapping 3kg of herion to his body and trying to board an aircraft for Aust. same idiot get caught and accepts he is in deep sh1t knowing full well that what he was trying to do was wrong.

OK now the, 'this isnt exactly on topic police' are here.

I wonder what sort of tape he used to strap this to his body? Is that better?

[dingdongrb]

how amazingly off topic this entire thread has become...

Agreed, it started out as a discussion regarding some idiot strapping 3kg of herion to his body and trying to board an aircraft for Aust. same idiot get caught and accepts he is in deep sh1t knowing full well that what he was trying to do was wrong.

OK now the, 'this isnt exactly on topic police' are here.

I wonder what sort of tape he used to strap this to his body? Is that better?

Since his brain was 'whacked out' I think he was using Super Glue....

[neverdie]

Something must have been affecting his senses.....unless of course he was high on some of that heroin that doesnt hurt anyone & that the world should legalise?

[jackspratt]

Its funny isnt it dingdongrb, he's one of a kind our ole jackysplatter.

Oh dear! Two great minds about to get together

OK now the, 'this isnt exactly on topic police' are here.

I wonder what sort of tape he used to strap this to his body? Is that better?

Since his brain was 'whacked out' I think he was using Super Glue....

Something must have been affecting his senses.....unless of course he was high on some of that heroin that doesnt hurt anyone & that the world should legalise?

I rest my case :D

[Maigo6]

I went out last night with 4 mates, one was smoking dope and had a great time, the other guy took an ecstacy pill and had a ball, another had a line of coke and was on top form.................

The last one got drunk on the legalised drug caled Alcohol, got aggressive and smashed a glass into another guys face......

If I produced a pill that had the same effects as alcohol and tried to sell it to the general public, I'd be imprisoned for life or executed in some countries.

Yet governments allow people to drink as much as they want, cos the drinkers are paying tax on it, it's government controlled !!!!

If it wasn't taxed , it would be illegal !!!!

[ourmaninbangers]

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Listen at all you witch hunting little bigots screaming for the death penalty. Why don't all of you stop giving money to the drug trade? Stop going to bars because the money that is extorted from them in Thailand is used for the drug trade. Stop engaging in prostitution because half the money you are giving them is going to the people who traffic drugs. A article published in the 90's, by The Nation, out of New York, I think. Showed statistics where, "The average age of a heroin addict in the Netherlands where there is tolerance and minimal punishment, was 45 years old." "The average age of a heroin addict in the US where they were giving life for 3 drug related crimes was 14 years old." So spare us the save the children crap. You sound as pathetic as the guy in prison clutching his daughter's picture for sympathy. The majority of you are only in Thailand because you engage in prostitution which is illegal just like drugs! In our countries you would all be in prison right next him. You promote white slavery, kidnapping, DRUGS, and organized crime by pumping money into the sex trade. A lot of the people in the world think all of you should get the death penalty. I would rather live next door to someone who sold drugs than sold children. We caught a guy yesterday that came back from Thailand and had recorded himself having sex with children between the ages of 9 and 14. He will get less time than our idiotic friend awaiting your death penalties for heroin. Would it be fair to homosexuals with HIV if we just say, "SOM NAM NA!" and don't try to aleve their suffering? So to all of you who say som nam na, well right back at ya. I say your intolerance of adult drug use creates the situations where children get involved with drugs. If alcohol were illegal the average age of an alcoholic would be below 18. Would it be any different for me to think if we started rounding up homosexuals and killing them that the rest would stop playing grab ass with each other and those children on that tape we confiscated would have been spared? Next time you all go pay for sex or find your romance in a mans hairy bum just remember, A lot of people in the world want to see all of you rot in a prison and hanged from the castle walls for what your doing too.

<br /><br /><br />What a load of old crap!!!<br />

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exellent-although not toally in agreement I love this point

all the sheep who are on hang up crowd are just as bad

this is why they whine like this.. like sheep

in drugs you have something called "freewill" people do not force you to take

in prostition there is'nt this

it is almost a form a rape

when someone choose to take drugs we must look at the cause bindhind and recognise it early

blasming the deaers is the council state mentlaity which impeed progress, keeps the mafia rich and aceives ZERP

[ourmaninbangers]

<br />

Listen at all you witch hunting little bigots screaming for the death penalty. Why don't all of you stop giving money to the drug trade? Stop going to bars because the money that is extorted from them in Thailand is used for the drug trade. Stop engaging in prostitution because half the money you are giving them is going to the people who traffic drugs. A article published in the 90's, by The Nation, out of New York, I think. Showed statistics where, "The average age of a heroin addict in the Netherlands where there is tolerance and minimal punishment, was 45 years old." "The average age of a heroin addict in the US where they were giving life for 3 drug related crimes was 14 years old." So spare us the save the children crap. You sound as pathetic as the guy in prison clutching his daughter's picture for sympathy. The majority of you are only in Thailand because you engage in prostitution which is illegal just like drugs! In our countries you would all be in prison right next him. You promote white slavery, kidnapping, DRUGS, and organized crime by pumping money into the sex trade. A lot of the people in the world think all of you should get the death penalty. I would rather live next door to someone who sold drugs than sold children. We caught a guy yesterday that came back from Thailand and had recorded himself having sex with children between the ages of 9 and 14. He will get less time than our idiotic friend awaiting your death penalties for heroin. Would it be fair to homosexuals with HIV if we just say, "SOM NAM NA!" and don't try to aleve their suffering? So to all of you who say som nam na, well right back at ya. I say your intolerance of adult drug use creates the situations where children get involved with drugs. If alcohol were illegal the average age of an alcoholic would be below 18. Would it be any different for me to think if we started rounding up homosexuals and killing them that the rest would stop playing grab ass with each other and those children on that tape we confiscated would have been spared? Next time you all go pay for sex or find your romance in a mans hairy bum just remember, A lot of people in the world want to see all of you rot in a prison and hanged from the castle walls for what your doing too.

<br /><br /><br />What a load of old crap!!!<br />

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exellent-although not toally in agreement I love this point

all the sheep who are on hang up crowd are just as bad

this is why they whine like this.. like sheep

in drugs you have something called "freewill" people do not force you to take

in prostition there is'nt this

it is almost a form a rape

when someone choose to take drugs we must look at the cause bindhind and recognise it early

blasming the deaers is the council state mentlaity which impeed progress, keeps the mafia rich and aceives ZERO

[ourmaninbangers]

<br />Its a simple thing Tolley, really why don't we just legalise everything. If you want to smoke pot, thats OK. If I want to do armed hold-ups or mug old ladies that ok, that way each of us can look after our own. Of course we can do all of this because the levels of corruption amoungst the Police, Courts and Governments are so high, do you really think corruption is that high, or are you going to let a few bad eggs completely destroy a system, imagine if we gave up on something everytime a human being got greedy <img src="style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="ohmy.gif" /> <br /><br />You would have to be kidding about how much damage could a few extra drugs in society cause? You say that the benifits of Legalisation of drugs far outweighs the disadvantages, perhaps you could outline a few for us?<br /><br />Imagine the beauty of legalising drugs, then we could add taxes to them....good for revenue.... but in that world, I'm not going to pay taxes, why would I bother to pay taxes?<br /><br />We decriminalise drugs & move it over to the health system.....its good, everything is just in little boxes we can just move the problems around, neat and tidy. Maybe when the health systems had enough of the druggies we could move their problems over to the energy systems of the world, see if they can take care of the little box for a while? <img src="style_emoticons/default/crazy.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="crazy.gif" /> <br /><br />Trying to solve the worlds drug problem is no easy job, I actually doubt it can be achieved & by flicking switches and changing laws willy nilly, isnt going to solve the problems. <br /><br />One thing that most people seem to forget about when they talk about legalising drugs, that the actual production, purchase and consumption of the drugs isnt the whole problem. There are all the issues about dealing with the effects of people that are affected by drugs & the long term uses of such drugs. If it is the case that the use of a particular drug increases due to it becoming legalised then the greater affect of this has to be taken into consideration. Do you really think society as a whole has to change its laws & expectations to accomodate the few people that have substance abuse as a problem? <br /><br />As for the idea that people with substance abuse problems wouldnt be in jail if the substance was legalised, that is the greatest load of rubbish. Despite what some people think, people with serious drug dependacies are unable to contribute to society in a full functioning way & neither should we want them. Do you really want to work alongside someone that is high on whatever....should that person be allowed to drive, operate machinary, make decisions that affect other people, how bout the local brain surgeon 'high' while he removes a tumor? Come on, get real! A lot of seriously effected people can't think of anything other than their next hit, they don't want to do an honest job, they want the cash hard & fast, there will still be crime. You wouldnt have to go too far to hear a story about how junkies rip off their own families & that type of thing to realise that this would still go on. <br /><br />Anyway, I've got to go, I'm running late to get to a 'hang em high' club meeting !<br />

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listen can you grasp one simple thing...

legal or illegal PEOPLE WILL TAKE WHAT THEY WANT WHEN AND HOW THEY WANT

gettit

like it or not- you can, have and never will stop it

so-- what can we do

and have to heard of freewill

the same freewill which makes people choose makes them not choose

aming drugs legal will not cause an epidemic

it will lead to less death, less waste of police time, and putting the mob away

FACT!

enjoying your meeting

a total waste of time

[ourmaninbangers]

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Draconian Henry, but with a workable logic. Still...<br /><br />But unless you are Singapore or some such environment<br />it's political suicide to implement it.<br />I subscribe to the welded shut box just a LITTLE too small for the person.<br />You will never stand or lie straight again. <br />15 years in there; lights 24/7 and no company no conversations,<br />Maybe a really bad repeating soundtrack you learn to LOATH.<br /><br />I don't want these people dead for selling poison,<br />I want then to suffer a long stretch as punishment on the cheap.<br />Only let them have company every 2 years to record a warning to others <br />and then weld them back in. No human contact, just food through the slot.<br />Dracoinian too, but would be as effective.

I think Thaksin's 'war against drugs' did work to some extend too<br />

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ttollaay cruel, stupud, and poitless

the spanish iqusition thought like you

did it work?

[ourmaninbangers]

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<br />A better way is to legalise it and for the government of each country to supply it on prescription. This gives you the oportunity to provide medical support to the user, guarantee the quality of the drug and provide education for harm minimisation. <b>Remember panadol has killed and is killing more people than heroin ever has or will.</b> The cost of Government supplied Morphine is 38 cents an ampule

<br /><br />exellent- my faith is restoring<br />thank you<br />

<br />Your faith is restoring because of a statement by someone who claims that panadol has killed, and is killing more people than heroin ever has or will ? <img src="style_emoticons/default/huh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="huh.gif" /> <br /><br />Oh yes, just "legalise it" and all the problems will go away. No more dealers, no more strung-out junkies or hookers, no more scum bags selling to kids.<br />Everything will be rosy and fine.<br />Your neighbourhood bus driver, dentist, cab driver, restaurant cook, firemen, bank clerk and their friends can all just line up to get their government certified safe (but still addictive) hard core drugs, shoot/snort/smoke them up and go back to work.<br /><br />Oh what a wonderful world that would be. House is burning down, but the firemen are too stoned to care. Bank teller accidentally deletes your account while tripping ? No problem dude ! At least the druggie dentist should be able to stick the novacaine needle in you easily enough, if he can figure out which face is yours. Not a big deal ! And who cares if the bus driver is stoned out of his gourd as he hauls your kids to school ? At least you can sit back comfortable in the knowledge that you too can get stoned whenever you want, so who cares what happens to everyone else ?<br /><br />Oh right, found out the other day that even in Holland, marijuana is ILLEGAL !! <br /><br />Wow. I would have thought that if all these drugs were so safe and cheap and easy to manage, governments around the world would have legalised them years ago, and been making a killing off them (literally), just like they do with alcohol and tobacco taxes !<br /><br />So why aren't they doing that ? Ah yes. I forgot. It's the "Great Conspiracy". ALL the governments of the world prefer to keep drugs illegal for no other reason than to stomp on the desires of a small percentage of the population.<br />Isn't it absolutely amazing, how various governments around the world, are able to all conspire together to prevent hard core drug use from becoming legal ?<br />Doesn't matter if they are Communist, Islamic, Democratic, Dictatorships, "Flavour of the Week", Liberal, Conservative, Confuzzled or Socialist, they all seem to be able to agree on this one issue.<br /><br />Of course, according to some here, they are ALL wrong. Must be nice to know you are one of the very few, out of billions, that knows the real truth about the matter ?<br />

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another exmple of you a mistake

it is not illgal it is decriminamlize

and it dpends

shall I send you a copy of today dutch mandate

( I will translate it for it)

how many more little errors

do yuo see my point

you have made one

which makes me conclude you have made more

no, there will stil be problems

and stop being so rude, you debass yourself- we are on same saide

hookers are decrime, there is still alot of problems

what we have reduced is lower the mafia control

and am for for drugs

i am for good policys

[ourmaninbangers]

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This is typical TV fashion ust put the guy down to hel_l and call him all the names under the sun..<br /><br />Yes the guy is stupid and he will really regret this for the rest of his life but npobody knows the circumstances on why he did this, maybe the guy was on his arse and in so much desperation that he thought it was the only was to do this, or there again maybe not..<br /><br />I recon a fair few of the slag emm off characters have probably had a dabble in their time so it doesnt really make them any better whether the dealer or taker.<br />This guys life is effectivly gone now, it isnt law that after a few you get a pardon...<br /><br />I for one dont like to see the drug dealers get life it just aint right, life should be saved for the pedos, rapist and murderers not some poor mule who was probably gonna get a few g for his cut..<br /><br />good luck mate, and i mean that

<br /><br />I second that.<br /><br />Governments, who are the biggest drug dealers, haven't gotten busted.<br />

<br /><br />wow- someone with sense on TV!<br /> you are 1000% correct Sir<br />

<br />I whole heartily agree with you and your comments. After our arrest, I was found guilty and hanged by TV members, before my wife and I were even in court. Fortunately, the court here in Thailand, was a little more fair minded then some of our members. We were found not guilty because we were innocent. While I don't agree with drug smuggling, I also don't agree with the attitude of some of our members here! They are too ready to shoot people down, before they know all the facts, as you quite rightly point out! Too many people here on Thai Visa, use the unfortunate circumstances of people like this guy, to vent their own anger and frustrations. To make it like a personal vendetta. This guy was obviously not the sharpest knife in the drawer, or he would have realized how small his chances were, of going through the Aussie customs, let alone going out this side. I feel sorry for his family and daughter, and after my own experience of what its like in a Thai prison, I even feel sorry for the guy himself. Even with amnesties, he will do a minimum of 20 years here. Believe me, after 20 years of the delights of a Thai prison, his life is over. I for one, know exactly how he must be feeling right now, and what he is going through. I think he deserves a little pity, not the vilification of TV!!<br />

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I know it sounds eliteist but most member are really the dross,,,, some people looks at this for laughts.... I can see why

the bottom of the food chain, the sort of people in time went by watched execution's, who obey all laws who pays taxes and pat themselves on the back= because nobody else will!

failed in their own pathetic lifes, they love to put someone when they have a bit of bad luck down

they are totlaly uncable of looking beyond the obvious, or compasion, answerig questions when caught out, or sticking to the point

when caught out they result to insults- another mark of the the phistine

when it happens to them they cry like babys and scream for help

ignore them

they add nothing other than amusement and more money for the mafia and keepingf corruption in place

[ourmaninbangers]

<br />I can't believe that some people here actually support the use of drugs or want to make it legal.<br />Have you actually seen what it does to people? Have you spoken to people high on crack, or children in their strange cannabis world. Should those be the future of our world? <img src="style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" /><br />

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hello yes I have

many

al;l fine thank you

all graduates

long time smoke users

and other things

conan dyle was off his head

want me to go on.....

you arguement is 1000% incorrect

people can funtion perfectly well al their life on everything from heropin, tyo smoke

like it or not!

[ourmaninbangers]

<br />I can't believe that some people here actually support the use of drugs or want to make it legal.<br />Have you actually seen what it does to people? Have you spoken to people high on crack, or children in their strange cannabis world. Should those be the future of our world? <img src="style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" /><br />

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hello yes I have

many

all fine thank you.. all my life

all graduates

long time smoke users

and other things

conan dyle was off his head

want me to go on.....

you arguement is 1000% incorrect

people can funtion perfectly well al their life on everything from heroin, to smoke_ I know many

like it or not!

[ourmaninbangers]

<br />The "hang'em high brigade" revels in every opportunity to display their ignorance.<br /><br />Exactly the mindset we have endured for the last 30+ years, courtesy of the USA. <br /><br />Prohibition does not work, has never worked, and will never work. Human nature and ingenuity will see to that.<br /><br />Sickening but not surprising to see the sadistic nature of some on display when they think their fantasies will receive support.<br />

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sicening and sad, meanwhile alot of them potter off to rape the lady half their age whilst covincing themselves its love

poor dissillusioned ingrates

[ourmaninbangers]

<br />I have seen enough of the damage from heroin to know it's not worth it.<br />Much of that is caused by the high prices causing desperate people to do desperate acts.<br />But I have also seen baby's left un-attended and toddlers unfed, and had shows canceled <br />because artists either couldn't handle going on stage or OD'd backstage.. <br />Or their go[her was caught and they were more concerned with getting the name of his contact,<br /> than getting him out of jail... <br /><br />I have had to work with too many heroin junkies over the years to <br />possibly appreciate it's creative instigations. They are far and few between.<br />It's more likely already creative people, with personal demons or cyclical depressions, <br />going for a little numbness in between periods of creativity... nothing more.<br />I can go on. But won't. <br /><br />I am for 'strictly controled legalization' to get it out of the profiting hands of the dealers <br />and drug lords. <br />Yet, I still think, even with legalization, the smugglers will still do business,<br />and there will still be many, just as cigarattes are still smuggled.<br /><br />These guys still need strict lock up, <br />and it being well known to be very unpleasent. <br />It's no sadistic fantasy.<br /><br />

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but have, as I ahve seen many, most richly enjoying their lifes by taking this....

if not, what gives you trh eright to speak

manhy/most do when done correctly

why deny themfeewill

stop this utter crap that all drugs are bad

some, like herion have nothing bad in them

they prmote like ( check it out if you do not belief

people- know your subject please!

[Kerryd]

stop this utter crap that all drugs are bad

some, like herion have nothing bad in them

they prmote like ( check it out if you do not belief

people- know your subject please!

Well, you've lost any credibility you may have had as far as I'm concerned.

Heroin Effects: Short Term

Soon after injection (or inhalation), heroin crosses the blood-brain barrier. In the brain, heroin is converted to morphine and binds rapidly to opioid receptors. Abusers typically report feeling a surge of pleasurable sensation, a "rush." The intensity of the rush is a function of how much drug is taken and how rapidly the drug enters the brain and binds to the natural opioid receptors. Heroin is particularly addictive because it enters the brain so rapidly. With heroin, the rush is usually accompanied by a warm flushing of the skin, dry mouth, and a heavy feeling in the extremities, which may be accompanied by nausea, vomiting, and severe itching.

Effects:

Rush

Depressed respiration

Clouded mental functioning

Nausea and vomiting

Suppression of pain

Spontaneous abortion

After the initial effects, abusers usually will be drowsy for several hours. Mental function is clouded by heroin's effect on the central nervous system. Cardiac functions slow. Breathing is also severely slowed, sometimes to the point of death. Heroin overdose is a particular risk on the street, where the amount and purity of the drug cannot be accurately known.

Heroin Effects: Long Term

One of the most detrimental long-term effects of heroin is addiction itself. Addiction is a chronic, relapsing problem, characterized by compulsive drug seeking and use, and by neurochemical and molecular changes in the brain. Heroin also produces profound degrees of tolerance and physical dependence, which are also powerful motivating factors for compulsive use and abuse. As with abusers of any addictive drug, heroin abusers gradually spend more and more time and energy obtaining and using the drug. Once they are addicted, the heroin abusers' primary purpose in life becomes seeking and using drugs. The drugs literally change their brains.

Effects:

Addiction

Abscesses

Collapsed veins

Bacterial infections

Infection of heart lining and valves

Arthritis and other rheumatologic problems

Infectious diseases, for example, HIV/AIDS and hepatitis B and C

Physical dependence develops with higher doses of the drug. With physical dependence, the body adapts to the presence of the drug and withdrawal symptoms occur if use is reduced abruptly. Withdrawal may occur within a few hours after the last time the drug is taken. Symptoms of withdrawal include restlessness, muscle and bone pain, insomnia, diarrhea, vomiting, cold swapes with goose bumps ("cold turkey"), and leg movements.

From another site:

As with other opiates, heroin is used both as a pain-killer and a recreational drug. Frequent administration quickly leads to tolerance and dependence and has a very high potential for addiction. If sustained use of heroin for as little as three days is stopped abruptly, withdrawal symptoms can appear.

And yet another site (there are literally thousands of them):

What are its short-term effects?

The short-term effects of heroin abuse appear soon after a single dose and disappear in a few hours.After an injection of heroin, the user reports feeling a surge of euphoria ("rush") accompanied by a warm flushing of the skin, a dry mouth, and heavy extremities. Following this initial euphoria, the user goes "on the nod," an alternately wakeful and drowsy state.

Mental functioning becomes clouded due to the depression of the central nervous system. Other effects included slowed and slurred speech, slow gait, constricted pupils, droopy eyelids, impaired night vision, vomiting, constipation.

What are its long-term effects?

Long-term effects of heroin appear after repeated use for some period of time.

Chronic users may develop collapsed veins, infection of the heart lining and valves, abscesses, cellulites, and liver disease. Pulmonary complications, including various types of pneumonia, may result from the poor health condition of the abuser, as well as from heroin's depressing effects on respiration.

In addition to the effects of the drug itself, street heroin may have additives that do not really dissolve and result in clogging the blood vessels that lead to the lungs, liver, kidneys, or brain. This can cause infection or even death of small patches of cells in vital organs. With regular heroin use, tolerance develops. This means the abuser must use more heroin to achieve the same intensity or effect.

And you expect me (or anyone else) to believe:

stop this utter crap that all drugs are bad

some, like herion have nothing bad in them

people- know your subject please!

Oh yes, as to the legality of marijuana, which you offered to show us the translated Act, does the gist of it look anything like this:

The possession/purchase of Cannabis is "tolerated" in small amounts. One can purchase cannabis in special shops (called "coffee shops") if one is age eighteen and over. Sale and purchase of cannabis anywhere else is illegal. Outdoor use is forbidden as well.

Cultivation and wholesale of cannabis is likewise "tolerated" in small amounts (guidelines here are no more than five plants at home or the possession of 5 grams per adult max.).

The tolerance guidelines appear in appendix of the Opium Act.

The Opium Act states very clearly that every part of the hemp plant is banned except for the seeds – this is in accordance with many of the international treaties which the Netherlands have signed.

It is for this reason Cannabis cannot be legalised in the Netherlands. Thus, it remains illegal but it is "tolerated."

A recent court decision allowed a medical cannabis user to avoid legal prosecution for possession of a small number of cannabis plants; however, the state is appealing the decision.

From one of your countrymen on another site:

I am from the Netherlands and officially it is illegal, but tolerated. This is a constantly returning subject in the Netherland, in politics some are stongly against and some are strongly for legalisation.

From the "High Times" website (which got it from USA Today):

Cannabis is technically an illegal substance in the Netherlands, although you won't get arrested for buying or smoking it in a coffee shop.

The Dutch have adopted a policy of "gedogen," or blind eye, to its sale and use since 1976. The government distinguished between so-called "soft" cannabis drugs and "hard" drugs such as heroin or cocaine. That's when coffee houses sprang up to sell and let people smoke.

From "Stop The Drug War.org":

"For more than 30 years under the policy of "gedoogbeleid," which could best be translated as "pragmatic tolerance," the Dutch have allowed the sale of personal amounts of marijuana through the coffee house system, even though doing so is technically illegal."

Wow. Looks like almost everyone else in the world knows that marijuana is ILLEGAL in the Netherlands !

So tell me, where have I made the mistake you claimed in your previous post ?

another exmple of you a mistake

it is not illgal it is decriminamlize

shall I send you a copy of today dutch mandate

( I will translate it for it)

how many more little errors

do yuo see my point

you have made one

which makes me conclude you have made more

[Artisi]

I would suggest that everyone stay away from whatever ourmaninbangers is using.

[Loaded]

Heroin use is an evil. Heroin users know the risk but still freely make the choice to consume and create demand for the production of this drug. The pedalling of this drug is an evil and should be severly punished. I have no sympathy for users or suppliers.

However, a far more evil narcotic is Nicotine. Anyone who has become a Nicotine addict since its effects were know and published from the late 60s is an idiot.

[neverdie]

I would suggest that everyone stay away from whatever ourmaninbangers is using.

Major Wacko ourmaninbangers

Naturally somehow I would like to see how he gets around Kerryd's post.

[neverdie]

A Quote directly from ourmaninbangers profile

blessed are the cracked

for they let in the light

[JacknDanny]

<br />I have seen enough of the damage from heroin to know it's not worth it.<br />Much of that is caused by the high prices causing desperate people to do desperate acts.<br />But I have also seen baby's left un-attended and toddlers unfed, and had shows canceled <br />because artists either couldn't handle going on stage or OD'd backstage.. <br />Or their go[her was caught and they were more concerned with getting the name of his contact,<br /> than getting him out of jail... <br /><br />I have had to work with too many heroin junkies over the years to <br />possibly appreciate it's creative instigations. They are far and few between.<br />It's more likely already creative people, with personal demons or cyclical depressions, <br />going for a little numbness in between periods of creativity... nothing more.<br />I can go on. But won't. <br /><br />I am for 'strictly controled legalization' to get it out of the profiting hands of the dealers <br />and drug lords. <br />Yet, I still think, even with legalization, the smugglers will still do business,<br />and there will still be many, just as cigarattes are still smuggled.<br /><br />These guys still need strict lock up, <br />and it being well known to be very unpleasent. <br />It's no sadistic fantasy.<br /><br />

<br /><br /><br />

but have, as I ahve seen many, most richly enjoying their lifes by taking this....

if not, what gives you trh eright to speak

manhy/most do when done correctly

why deny themfeewill

stop this utter crap that all drugs are bad

some, like herion have nothing bad in them

they prmote like ( check it out if you do not belief

people- know your subject please!

Congratulations ourmaninbangers!!!!!!!!

Living proof of how badly damaged drug abusers become

It never ceases to amaze me the absolute CRAP that these stoners and smack heads come out with.

The sad thing is that they believe it

[JacknDanny]

A Quote directly from ourmaninbangers profile

blessed are the cracked

for they let in the light

Just read this after I had posted my comment