george Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Puea Thai divided over leadership BANGKOK: -- The Puea Thai party is divided over who to nominate as prime minister when it files a censure debate motion against the government. The party's northern MPs back former deputy premier Mingkhwan Saengsuwan, but those in the Northeast favour party-list MP Chalerm Yubamrung. The Puea Thai party is preparing to file a motion of no confidence against Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and his Democrat party. The constitution states that the opposition must nominate its own choice of prime minister when it files such a motion. Itthidet Kaewluang, a Puea Thai MP for Chiang Rai, said he and other northern MPs believed Mr Mingkhwan was the most suitable choice for party leader and as potential prime minister as he could tackle the economic crisis. With his inoffensive image and clean record, the former deputy prime minister was well-suited to the post, Mr Itthidet said. But party MPs from the Northeast think differently. Somchai Petprasert, a party MP for Nakhon Ratchasima, said Mr Chalerm was the perfect choice to be opposition leader and the next prime minister. The current political situation required an "experienced warrior'' to lead the country, he said. -- Bangkok Post 2009-02-11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Somchai Petprasert, a party MP for Nakhon Ratchasima, said Mr Chalerm was the perfect choice to be opposition leader and the next prime minister.The current political situation required an "experienced warrior'' to lead the country, he said. An experienced warrior with family members that he's sired that are very accurate with firearms at short distances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 (edited) Why doesn't the Party choose one of the 4 Shinawatra's to become Party Leader and PM? They are already regional Leaders... Thaksin kin get key Puea Thai posts Bangkok Post Feb 3, 2009 - 10:05 PM The opposition Puea Thai party has embarked on a new strategy to strengthen internal solidarity, appointing members of the Shinawatra family to lead party members in each of the three regions where Puea Thai influence remains strong, said a Puea Thai source on Tuesday. The source said under the new strategy, Yaowapa Wongsawat, a younger sister of deposed prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, would lead Puea Thai members in the North. The source said the Party wanted a Shinawatra family member to lead each of the three regions because the party wanted them to symbolise the party's close connections with Thaksin. I know it probably doesn't matter to the law-breaking Shinawatras.... but the curvaceous Yaowapa Wongsawat, as a TRT Party executive, has been Banned From Politics since 2007 [lucky number TRT Banned # 13, to be precise] . Are they trying to get to Puea Thai Party banned as well with such blatant disregard to the law? With the big Shinawatra family tree... he's covering more ground now with the "only people" he trusts now... In addition to the three mentioned previously including the beautiful Yaowapa above taking care of the North... we have In the Northeast, the leader would be Payap Shinawatra, Thaksin's younger brother. As for the central region and Bangkok, sister Yingluck Shinawatra and the latest.... sister Yaowares Shinawatra has the southern region... Edited February 12, 2009 by sriracha john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 PTP is so chaotically disorganized. The news below is why the CURRENT Party Leader wants to bail out. Given the Thaksin's FOUR younger siblings who are are Regional Party Leaders are also not MP's (and even Banned from Politics in disgraced former First Lady Yaowapa's case) and are thus ineligible to become PM, the Party really isn't in a position to promote one of them I suppose. Oh well, more and more disarray at the shambles left-over from the Thaksin's regime........ Puea Thai Party Leader Yongyut Vichaidit Puea Thai Party Leader wants to step down Puea Thai Party Leader Yongyuth Wichaidit plans to step down so that his Party could be revamped and better prepared to fight back against the government. In an exclusive interview to The Nation, Yongyuth admitted his Party now needs to be completely overhauled to prevent it from sinking further. The most important aspect of the restructuring should be to change the executive board, Yongyuth said, adding he had made preparations to submit his resignation. Yongyuth decided to step down after calls by certain PTP MPs asking him and Party Secretary-General Sunee Luengwichit to resign because both of them were not MPs. Yongyuth admitted that he is not qualified to lead the PTP now that it is the main opposition party. He said the Party Leader needs to be an MP so that he can perform as the Opposition Leader. He added that the Party Leader needs to have enough political influence, which he also lacks. "I've tried to resign three times already, but I was asked to hang on because of legal technicalities," Yongyuth said. - The Nation / 2009-01-19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammered Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Why doesn't the Party choose one of the 4 Shinawatra's to become Party Leader and PM? They are already regional Leaders... Thaksin kin get key Puea Thai posts Bangkok Post Feb 3, 2009 - 10:05 PM The opposition Puea Thai party has embarked on a new strategy to strengthen internal solidarity, appointing members of the Shinawatra family to lead party members in each of the three regions where Puea Thai influence remains strong, said a Puea Thai source on Tuesday. The source said under the new strategy, Yaowapa Wongsawat, a younger sister of deposed prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, would lead Puea Thai members in the North. The source said the Party wanted a Shinawatra family member to lead each of the three regions because the party wanted them to symbolise the party's close connections with Thaksin. I know it probably doesn't matter to the law-breaking Shinawatras.... but the curvaceous Yaowapa Wongsawat, as a TRT Party executive, has been Banned From Politics since 2007 [lucky number TRT Banned # 13, to be precise] . Are they trying to get to Puea Thai Party banned as well with such blatant disregard to the law? With the big Shinawatra family tree... he's covering more ground now with the "only people" he trusts now... In addition to the three mentioned previously including the beautiful Yaowapa above taking care of the North... we have In the Northeast, the leader would be Payap Shinawatra, Thaksin's younger brother. As for the central region and Bangkok, sister Yingluck Shinawatra and the latest.... sister Yaowares Shinawatra has the southern region... There are reportedly splitws between "professional politician" power brokers and the shin clan that go beyond the 20-40 Puen Newin stuck in PTP who supposedly tried to leave but couldnt! Interestingly the only way they can leave is if parliament is disolved and that is in the hands of Newin...... In the meantime the PTP is fractious to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 (edited) For the post following this one: PTP's idea of "national reconciliation" is to forgive Thaksin and declare amnesty... yeah, right... it's their same ol' tired BS.. Edited February 12, 2009 by sriracha john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Pheu Thai Party drafting bill for reconciliation The opposition Pheu Thai Party is drafting a law aimed at bringing about political reconciliation, a Party MP familiar with the matter said yesterday. However, critics described the move as the latest attempt by politicians loyal to former premier Thaksin Shinawatra to "whitewash" his past wrongdoings. MP Prakiat Nasimma, a member of Pheu Thai Party's working group on legal matters, said yesterday that the Party had assigned the group to draft the legislation so that the final draft could be submitted for House deliberation before the end of the current parliamentary session on May 19. He said that initially the draft law would be called a National Reconciliation Bill. The MP explained that basically the proposed law would involve providing amnesty to people involved in the political crises taking place before and after the coup of September 19, 2006. That would cover former executives of the political parties disbanded during that period, such as Thai Rak Thai and People Power, as well as those in the anti-Thaksin People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD), and the pro-Thaksin Democratic Alliance against Dictatorship. "The Pheu Thai Party views that whenever justice can be returned to all the groups involved in the political crises, true unity and reconciliation can finally return to society," said Prakiat. He said that he believed the law would help end the chronic political conflict, adding that most MPs would support the idea. "We are not doing this for any political party in particular. We just want to return justice to all the groups involved," he added. The MP said, however, that there would be no need to get official endorsement from Pheu Thai Party as a minimum 20 MPs is required to submit a new law to the House. Suriyasai Katasila, the PAD coordinator, said that with the law being drafted by MPs linked to Thai Rak Thai, there could be suspicion that the real goal was to use the law as a tool in paving the way for an early political comeback by Thaksin. He said it appeared the PAD and others were cited as an excuse to improve the planned law's legitimacy. "I disagree with this law," he said. "The justice system is now taking its course and we should let things go on by themselves and not interfere with the system," Suriyasai said. He added that although PAD leaders were facing many legal cases, they had never sought amnesty or leniency. Meanwhile, Democrat Phatthalung MP Nipit Intarasombat yesterday also voiced opposition to any such amnesty law. He said that although political parties were dissolved and politicians' voting rights were revoked after the September 2006 coup, they were punished by the laws that had existed before the coup. Therefore, it would be unreasonable to give amnesty to those politicians. Moreover, the party dissolution and voting rights revocation for party executives are penalties prescribed in the Constitution. A bill cannot overwrite it, he said. "Those who will benefit from the proposed law would think it could create unity in the country when they receive amnesty. But looking from the eyes of people following the law, it wouldn't be fair if one day a law just writes off the penalty law-breakers are serving," he said. Former Chart Thai Party Deputy Leader Somsak Prissanananthakul said he agreed with the bill in principle as he wanted to see the nation reconciled. However, he would have to consider the details of the bill before expressing his opinion. "If the amnesty covers every one without conditions, anybody can receive amnesty, and the country would be hurt. I have to see the process, the charges and whom the laws would benefit before I can say whether I support it," he said. Chart Thai was dissolved last year after one of its executives was convicted for electoral fraud. - The Nation / 2009-02-12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammered Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 (edited) PTP's idea of "national reconciliation" is to forgive Thaksin and declare amnesty... yeah, right... it's the same ol' tired BS.. Pheu Thai Party drafting bill for reconciliation The opposition Pheu Thai Party is drafting a law aimed at bringing about political reconciliation, a Party MP familiar with the matter said yesterday. However, critics described the move as the latest attempt by politicians loyal to former premier Thaksin Shinawatra to "whitewash" his past wrongdoings. MP Prakiat Nasimma, a member of Pheu Thai Party's working group on legal matters, said yesterday that the Party had assigned the group to draft the legislation so that the final draft could be submitted for House deliberation before the end of the current parliamentary session on May 19. He said that initially the draft law would be called a National Reconciliation Bill. The MP explained that basically the proposed law would involve providing amnesty to people involved in the political crises taking place before and after the coup of September 19, 2006. That would cover former executives of the political parties disbanded during that period, such as Thai Rak Thai and People Power, as well as those in the anti-Thaksin People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD), and the pro-Thaksin Democratic Alliance against Dictatorship. "The Pheu Thai Party views that whenever justice can be returned to all the groups involved in the political crises, true unity and reconciliation can finally return to society," said Prakiat. He said that he believed the law would help end the chronic political conflict, adding that most MPs would support the idea. "We are not doing this for any political party in particular. We just want to return justice to all the groups involved," he added. The MP said, however, that there would be no need to get official endorsement from Pheu Thai Party as a minimum 20 MPs is required to submit a new law to the House. Suriyasai Katasila, the PAD coordinator, said that with the law being drafted by MPs linked to Thai Rak Thai, there could be suspicion that the real goal was to use the law as a tool in paving the way for an early political comeback by Thaksin. He said it appeared the PAD and others were cited as an excuse to improve the planned law's legitimacy. "I disagree with this law," he said. "The justice system is now taking its course and we should let things go on by themselves and not interfere with the system," Suriyasai said. He added that although PAD leaders were facing many legal cases, they had never sought amnesty or leniency. Meanwhile, Democrat Phatthalung MP Nipit Intarasombat yesterday also voiced opposition to any such amnesty law. He said that although political parties were dissolved and politicians' voting rights were revoked after the September 2006 coup, they were punished by the laws that had existed before the coup. Therefore, it would be unreasonable to give amnesty to those politicians. Moreover, the party dissolution and voting rights revocation for party executives are penalties prescribed in the Constitution. A bill cannot overwrite it, he said. "Those who will benefit from the proposed law would think it could create unity in the country when they receive amnesty. But looking from the eyes of people following the law, it wouldn't be fair if one day a law just writes off the penalty law-breakers are serving," he said. Former Chart Thai Party Deputy Leader Somsak Prissanananthakul said he agreed with the bill in principle as he wanted to see the nation reconciled. However, he would have to consider the details of the bill before expressing his opinion. "If the amnesty covers every one without conditions, anybody can receive amnesty, and the country would be hurt. I have to see the process, the charges and whom the laws would benefit before I can say whether I support it," he said. Chart Thai was dissolved last year after one of its executives was convicted for electoral fraud. - The Nation / 2009-02-12 SRJ that was the only reason PPP/PTP were set up and funded - to clear dear leader. Now it is overt with every region under the jackboot of some Shin person. The question is can they keep the party together long enough to achieve the great unfettering and the return with the inevitable civil war or will the PTP rip apart first. There unfettering motion may shake government stability, which is of course the aim. The Dems may want to launch their version of politcal reform soon. There is also a chance polticians will end up so dicredited that new politcs or appointed government occurs. After all we havent had anyone try to frun the country since late 2005 with th eexception of the current mob and they may not be allowed to have their chance. Edited to add: it seems some in agreement with the idea dont want it extended to all and want conditions. That gives the govenment a chance to do an amnesty bill which wont be a free Thaksin bill hidden in a load of other stuff. Edited February 12, 2009 by hammered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plus Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Their current leader, Yongyuth Wichaidit, comes from a hardcore southern Democrat family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Their current leader, Yongyuth Wichaidit I love his bowthai.... there's just not enough Thais wearing bowthais these days, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Desperate moves from desperate individuals pretending to act in concert, for the good of Thailand, but really self serving to several the family cores. Votes of no confidence call for enough probable support to actually get heard. They very doubtfully have much. hel_l they can't even decide on a leader amongst themselves. Me, me, pick me! Or I'll burn your crops!! No me, pick me, I'll loan you crops if he burns yours! No, no, NOOOO, me me me pick MEEEEEE!!! YUCK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Pheu Thai Party drafting bill for reconciliationThe opposition Pheu Thai Party is drafting a law aimed at bringing about political reconciliation, a Party MP familiar with the matter said yesterday. However, critics described the move as the latest attempt by politicians loyal to former premier Thaksin Shinawatra to "whitewash" his past wrongdoings. MP Prakiat Nasimma, a member of Pheu Thai Party's working group on legal matters, said yesterday that the Party had assigned the group to draft the legislation so that the final draft could be submitted for House deliberation before the end of the current parliamentary session on May 19. He said that initially the draft law would be called a National Reconciliation Bill. The MP explained that basically the proposed law would involve providing amnesty to people involved in the political crises taking place before and after the coup of September 19, 2006. That would cover former executives of the political parties disbanded during that period, such as Thai Rak Thai and People Power, as well as those in the anti-Thaksin People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD), and the pro-Thaksin Democratic Alliance against Dictatorship. "The Pheu Thai Party views that whenever justice can be returned to all the groups involved in the political crises, true unity and reconciliation can finally return to society," said Prakiat. He said that he believed the law would help end the chronic political conflict, adding that most MPs would support the idea. "We are not doing this for any political party in particular. We just want to return justice to all the groups involved," he added. The MP said, however, that there would be no need to get official endorsement from Pheu Thai Party as a minimum 20 MPs is required to submit a new law to the House. Suriyasai Katasila, the PAD coordinator, said that with the law being drafted by MPs linked to Thai Rak Thai, there could be suspicion that the real goal was to use the law as a tool in paving the way for an early political comeback by Thaksin. He said it appeared the PAD and others were cited as an excuse to improve the planned law's legitimacy. "I disagree with this law," he said. "The justice system is now taking its course and we should let things go on by themselves and not interfere with the system," Suriyasai said. He added that although PAD leaders were facing many legal cases, they had never sought amnesty or leniency. Meanwhile, Democrat Phatthalung MP Nipit Intarasombat yesterday also voiced opposition to any such amnesty law. He said that although political parties were dissolved and politicians' voting rights were revoked after the September 2006 coup, they were punished by the laws that had existed before the coup. Therefore, it would be unreasonable to give amnesty to those politicians. Moreover, the party dissolution and voting rights revocation for party executives are penalties prescribed in the Constitution. A bill cannot overwrite it, he said. "Those who will benefit from the proposed law would think it could create unity in the country when they receive amnesty. But looking from the eyes of people following the law, it wouldn't be fair if one day a law just writes off the penalty law-breakers are serving," he said. Former Chart Thai Party Deputy Leader Somsak Prissanananthakul said he agreed with the bill in principle as he wanted to see the nation reconciled. However, he would have to consider the details of the bill before expressing his opinion. "If the amnesty covers every one without conditions, anybody can receive amnesty, and the country would be hurt. I have to see the process, the charges and whom the laws would benefit before I can say whether I support it," he said. Chart Thai was dissolved last year after one of its executives was convicted for electoral fraud. - The Nation / 2009-02-12 Amnesty: A whitewash for Mr Thaksin? The PTP's initiative to introduce a bill to grant blanket amnesty to all political and administrative offenders, including fugitive former PM Thaksin, has been viewed with deep suspicion that the bill is primarily intended to "whitewash" Thaksin. The opposition PTP is due to submit to the parliament this week a controversial bill, officially called the National Reconciliation Bill, that aims to grant a blanket amnesty to all parties who committed political and administrative offences before and after the coup in 2006. The bill, if sailed through the parliament, will “whitewash” the 111 fromer executives of the disbanded TRT party, including fugitive former PM Thaksin, and executives of the dissolved PPP, Chart Thai and Matchima Thipataya parties, leaders of the anti-Thaksin PAD, among others, for the political, administrative or criminal offences they allegedly committed. Continued here: http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/13...-for-mr-thaksin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammered Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 I think there was some opinion poll out today that showed 80% against an amnesty bill. Still that wont stop Chalerm and mates as they try to go down a bit more on Thaksin and also drive a wedge between the coalition allies (Dems will have to be careful on this), and of course ripping the government apart so Chalerm can become PM and unfetter Thaksin is another dream. Should all result in mass violence if mishandled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Coalition Whips resolve to reject opposition's reconciliation bill Coalition Whips Monday resolved to reject the so-called National Reconciliation Bill sponsored by the opposition Pheu Thai Party. Coalition Chief Whip Chinnaworn Boonyakiart said the Coalition Coordination Committee saw that it was not the right time for proposing such a law because the government had to rush to tackle the economic crisis and solve the people's economic hardship first. The bill is seen as the Pheu Thai Party's attempt to seek amnesty for former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra and former executives of political parties, which have been disbanded. - The Nation / 2009-02-16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plus Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 That should end it for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammered Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 That should end it for now. Yes but the politcal reality is Abhisit is going to have to sit down with his coalition allies and figure out what his ideas on politcal reform are going to encompass. It will better for Abhisit and allies to tak epossession of and move forward on this issue but not just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammered Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Now their unfetter Thaksin bill is dead in the water and they are divided over their little censure motion, what is the next move for PTP? I notice Khwanchai must have received his latest tranche as he is bringing Udon to the next we dont like the government red show. Wonder how all those on the red side who said they were better off without thugs like him will now react . Guess he kissed and made up with Jatuporn et al too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samgrowth Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 White wash of wrong doing is not new to Thai politics. After every successful coup (2006 included), a law is passes to white wash any wrong doing related to the coup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Now their unfetter Thaksin bill is dead in the water and they are divided over their little censure motion, what is the next move for PTP?I notice Khwanchai must have received his latest tranche as he is bringing Udon to the next we dont like the government red show. Wonder how all those on the red side who said they were better off without thugs like him will now react . Guess he kissed and made up with Jatuporn et al too There's still no PTP Leader (Mr. Bowthai doesn't want it and isn't an an MP anyway) and there is still no Opposition Leader assigned. Perhaps they should save their own Party before worrying about an amnesty to save Thaksin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammered Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Now their unfetter Thaksin bill is dead in the water and they are divided over their little censure motion, what is the next move for PTP?I notice Khwanchai must have received his latest tranche as he is bringing Udon to the next we dont like the government red show. Wonder how all those on the red side who said they were better off without thugs like him will now react . Guess he kissed and made up with Jatuporn et al too There's still no PTP Leader (Mr. Bowthai doesn't want it and isn't an an MP anyway) and there is still no Opposition Leader assigned. Perhaps they should save their own Party before worrying about an amnesty to save Thaksin. While they are in opposition no doubt the paymaster will prefer to spend money on the extra-parlaimantary avenues like red shirt street boys and DireTV. Probably why Chalerm is busy trying to invent a tactic or two to get to be PM or have an election as then the money will no doubt flow back to the party ansd the polticians. Quite odd how someone is ready to be PM but not ready to be opposition leader. Hope the rumours of Chalerm and the bottle arent true as it would be so upsetting to his family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Chart Thai Pattana Party Leader Chumpol Silapa-archa Chart Thai Pattana Party remains vague on Amnesty Bill Chart Thai Pattana Party Leader Chumpol Silapa-archa says the Party has yet resolved to show its stance on the Amnesty Bill and refuses that the opposition Puea Thai Party has asked his Party for parliamentary support for the legislation. Chumpol, however, admitted that rumors about the Amnesty Bill might be a political ploy aimed at destabilizing the government. He said each has his own interpretation of the underlying objective of the bill drafted by Puea Thai Party lawmakers, adding that some might view that the law was written to whitewash banned politicians. No mediators were needed in the political reform according the premier's concept and the reform which could be conducted in a concrete manner at the moment was the charter amendment, the Party's Leader said. - ThaiNews / 2009-02-17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 (edited) That should end it for now. They're running it up another flagpole to see if anyone salutes this one... Amnesty bill to be toned down in bid for new sponsors In a renewed bid to find sponsors, proponents of the amnesty bill yesterday floated the idea of toning down the scope of pardons and excluding any criminal convictions involving banned party executives. The newly revised version will limit amnesty given to party executives who have been banned for electoral fraud, Pheu Thai Party MP Nikom Chaokittisophon said. The amnesty was designed to cover 111 Thai Rak Thai Party executives banned in 2007 and the 109 from People Power, Chart Thai and Matchima Thipataya parties banned in the 2008 verdict, Nikom said. "The amnesty, if enacted into law, will not apply to criminal offenders who contributed to political turmoil," he said in reference to litigation involving the red shirts, the yellow shirts, and ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra. He said he was optimistic that the revision of the draft would make it acceptable for his party, Pheu Thai, to endorse its sponsorship and pave the way for parliamentary deliberation. He came up with the idea after coalition whips rejected the amnesty and the main opposition party appeared reluctant to sponsor the bill. Nikom said some 20 opposition MPs had already expressed their willingness to support introducing the bill on the House floor. The Bhum Jai Thai Party is opposed to the idea of amnesty and is not betraying its coalition alliance by secretly pushing for the bill, Party Spokesman Supachai Jaisamut said. "The Party deems it necessary to prioritise tackling economic woes, therefore banned party executives, who will benefit from the amnesty, should make sacrifices so as not to upset the country's stability," he said. Supachai said his Party would make no hasty moves to push for amnesty even though his Party's faction leader Newin Chidchob stands to benefit. "Newin has personally told me that he opposes the granting of amnesty at this juncture," he said. He quoted Newin as saying that he feared the amnesty debate would revive fractious politics, like in the two previous governments under Samak Sundaravej and Somchai Wongsawat. He said Newin wasn't even ready to resume his political career at this juncture, and insisted that his Party was not involved in any behind-the-scenes moves to push for the bill. He said the internal debate on the issue within the Pheu Thai Party might reflect infighting in various cliques. - The Nation / 2009-02-18 Edited February 17, 2009 by sriracha john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 The newly revised version will limit amnesty given to party executives who have been banned for electoral fraud, Pheu Thai Party MP Nikom Chaokittisophon said. Historical Note: Ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra asked his lawyer to file a defamation case against Matchima Thipataya Party Leader Prachai Leophairatana for accusing him of attempting to interfere with the scheduling of Dec 23 as the election date. According to Thaksin's lawyer, Nikom Chaokittisophon, Mr Prachai also accused the ousted premier of "selling the country" when he gave interviews to media. - Bangkok Post / 2007-11-29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 "The amnesty, if enacted into law, will not apply to criminal offenders who contributed to political turmoil," he said in reference to litigation involving the red shirts, the yellow shirts, and ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra.- The Nation / 2009-02-18 One would imagine that Thaksin might not be too pleased, to learn that PTP is now specifically excluding himself, as a beneficiary of this proposed Bill, which is anyway very unlikely to pass. Describing their paymaster & political-strategy guru as a 'criminal offender who contributes to political turmoil' is hardly very flattering to the former PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 (edited) Now their unfetter Thaksin bill is dead in the water and they are divided over their little censure motion, what is the next move for PTP? There's still no PTP Leader (Mr. Bowthai doesn't want it and isn't an an MP anyway) and there is still no Opposition Leader assigned. Perhaps they should save their own Party before worrying about an amnesty to save Thaksin. still in disarray.... Pheu Thai Party split about choice of Party Leader The opposition Pheu Thai Party has been split as to whether a new Party Leader should be a professional politician or a non-MP with acceptable background and capability. The first group is led by veteran politicians like Chalerm Yoobamrung, Paijit Sriworakhan, Sunai Jullapongsathorn and Withaya Buranasiri, according to a Party source. They are calling for the Party's Executive Board to contain more MPs than in the current one. Thaksin's siblings and relatives who are among the Pheu Thai Party's key figures and MPs loyal to him are for the idea that a new Party Leader must be a professional executive who is acceptable to the public, the source said. - The Nation / 2009-02-19 Edited February 19, 2009 by sriracha john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbk Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 A public warning, I am not going to edit Bangkok Post articles quoted at length anymore. They will be deleted with no warning and no PM. The members posting full length Bangkok Post articles are well aware of the restrictions regarding posting and should not need to be told yet again to follow this request. To those who are unaware. The Bangkok Post does not allow us to quote the entire article, but rather the first three sentences and a link. Also, if you are going to post a news article please do not editorialize within that post but in a new post so that there is no confusion regarding content. And please do not edit the article in anyway with font changes, either in size or color for emphasis. Instead, quote the relevant bit in the next post and editorialize from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawndoc Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Can someone on here tell me (in as non defamatory way as possible) why Thaksin continues to have so much pull within the country? In most other countries he would have been cast off by his political allies. Certainly the amount of effort put into trying to get Thaksin back would be better put to use in promoting their own careers/ambitions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Can someone on here tell me (in as non defamatory way as possible) why Thaksin continues to have so much pull within the country? Money is the succinct and non-defamatory answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawndoc Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Money is the succinct and non-defamatory answer. He has a monopoly on baht in Thailand? No other rich people that the PTP can hitch their careers to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 (edited) Money is the succinct and non-defamatory answer. He has a monopoly on baht in Thailand? No other rich people that the PTP can hitch their careers to? He had more than anyone else and still has a lot more than most. If he is able to get his hands on his frozen money, he'll have even more again. But the big factor for them is that he showed when he was CEO of Thailand, unprecedented amounts of money can be garnered by sticking with him and hitching their trailer to his wagon for a repeat performance is what keeps his supporters, although dwindling with time, on his side. Edited February 19, 2009 by sriracha john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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