bruceboy Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 I hope that mayhem and bloodshed is not on the horizon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Worth noting that NOBODY thinks Thaksin was innocent in the case he was convicted of. That the courts take action on cases brought before them and do not have the ability to seek out cases etc. Could the people bringing the case before the court have had a political motive? Sure. That being said there was only one way that this case would play out since it was so clear cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 (edited) Having his lawyers sent to jail for attempting to bribe the Supreme Court and failing to file an appeal (even Pokemon did that that with her conviction) doesn't help lend any credibility to his empty proclamations, either. Edited February 15, 2009 by sriracha john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindabenda Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Injustice?.... Come back and justify yourself Khun T....via the judicial system. There are many castanzas' waiting to support you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 A two-line reply quoting five earlier posts and the replies to it have been deleted because it made no sense, it being unclear to which of the five quoted posts the reply referred. On ThaiVisa it is appreciated if a poster does not quote the entire, lengthy post -- or even a whole series of nested posts -- to which he replies. The best way to quote is to quote only the text relevant to your reply -- snip everything else -- and otherwise not to make any changes in the quoted text. This way readers will not have to scroll down through a lot of quoted text until they arrive at your post, and they know at a glance what your reply is about. -- Maestro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 A scream – all text in capital letters – has been deleted. -- Maestro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toany Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 Khun Thaksin will go down in history as one of the most demonized and unjustly treated people of our time. Hopefully the next election will put things back in order. He was getting to popular in LOS and someone got jealous you must be the biggest wind up merchant on thai visa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc2 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 (edited) Red shirts fighting for 'genuine democracy' By Samatcha Hoonsara The Nation Published on February 16, 2009 Now that former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra has vowed to fight his opponents till the end, Natthawut Saikua, a programme host on DTV satellite TV, gives an interview to The Nation's Samatcha Hoonsara, saying the entire country will definitely turn red. How ready are the Democratic Alliance Against Dictatorship and red-shirted people for waging war? We are not worried about numbers. The number of red-shirted people is increasing every day. We have several channels of communication, such as DTV, which invites red-shirted people from all provinces to talk on TV. Each rally will have more demonstrators than a rally of the People's Alliance for Democracy, and the entire country will turn red. Those who will attend our rallies love democracy and are liberal people who will not take orders from anyone. I am confident that we are now on the right path. Will DAAD make parallel moves with those of the Pheu Thai Party. Where will the two converge? Such a convergence may or may not happen because the DAAD aims not only to topple the government but also to destroy the influential power beyond the Constitutional Monarchy. So, the government is only the first milestone for the red-shirted people. If the government is brought down, the DAAD will continue the campaign until genuine democracy returns to the country. Some members of society see the red shirts as fighting for Thaksin instead? First, for the red-shirted people, former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra is the symbol of democracy in which the people's power was used for the benefits of the society. There has never been such a leader in Thai politics so the masses have faith in him. And now, Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva is copying the methods of Thaksin. Second, Thaksin has not received justice because his government was toppled by the power outside the system. That power abused the judicial process to persecute him. The red-shirted people believe the penalties against Thaksin were unjustified because his opponents were appointed to investigate him. Society suspects the red shirts receive orders and financial support from Thaksin? This is an old allegation that has existed since the September 19 coup. If the red shirts are regarded as having received support from Thaksin, the Democrat Party should also be regarded as supporting the PAD. Thaksin now has financial difficulties because his assets are frozen. Despite this situation, the number of DAAD members keeps rising. Political analysts should open their eyes and should visit our rallies to see them with their own eyes. The red shirts have gone beyond the issue of the former prime minister. Even if Thaksin halts his political role and takes refuge on Mars, the DAAD will not disband until we get real democracy. Have Thaksin and his aides taken care of the expenses of the red shirts? No, I affirm. I held fairs to sell goods and we saved the profits as funds for future campaigns. Some income came from donations of anonymous people and many ordinary people in provinces, who don't like what happened during the past three years. Even judges joined our rallies. Members of the Shinawatra and Damapong families and former Thai Rak Thai executives, who are close to Thaksin, also joined in rallies. So, how could you deny the DAAD has not received support from Thaksin? These people have faith in our campaigns and they don't like the power outside the system. They have their rights to agree or disagree with us. The DAAD was born because of the existence of the CNS [Council for National Security] and the red-shirted people were born because of the existence of the yellow-shirted people. Will the red shirts be able to fight? Definitely. We may take a long time and a lot of patience but we are on the right path and we will not lose. We will not use the same methods as the PAD. We'll build a different democracy than that of the PAD, which is bent on destroying. Our way prompted the people, who have faith in Thaksin, to join us because they could not tolerate some people who received non-democratic power interfering in democracy. An important goal of the red-shirted people is to bring Thaksin back to the country, isn't it? We want the former prime minister to return to defend himself in a genuine justice system, not the current justice system. How will you achieve the goal? I repeat we must first bring down this government. This is our first goal. Then, we will take care of the power outside the system. Then, justice and democracy will return to the country. http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2009/02/16...cs_30095785.php Edited February 15, 2009 by mc2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siripon Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 ^Sanan being one of the worst relics of the old order. Found guilty of falsifying his asset statementhttp://www.apmforum.com/news/ap110800.htm And described therein as "if ever these was an icon of the corrupt establishment in Thailand over many years, it was Sanan." Sanan didn't declare 50 million baht and was banned for 5 years, exactly the same charge that Thaksin 'miraculously' escaped from. Thaksin didn't dare go to Cambodia to meet his buddies recently, there's no way he'll come back to Thailand voluntarily in the foreseeable forture, too afraid of assassination. The threat to the Democrats at present is more from their coalition partners than Thaksin, desiring to push through an amnesty for their banned executives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieFarang Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 I can understand that Thaksin would want to keep on fighting but Justice may not be his best end destination. A classic businessman turned politician and he obvoiously beleives it himself. "WHATEVER IS GOOD FOR ME IS GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plus Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Sanan being one of the worst relics of the old order. Found guilty of falsifying his asset statement.http://www.apmforum.com/news/ap110800.htm And described therein as "if ever these was an icon of the corrupt establishment in Thailand over many years, it was Sanan." Yet he served his five year ban without whining and threatening. A lot more than can be said about Thaksin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Thaksin vows to fight on for justice Red shirts fighting for 'genuine democracy' The Red Shirts sure do like to "fight".... http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Red-Shirts-F...hi-t242684.html Red Shirts Fighting Red Shirts In Chiang Mai, five injured at railway station Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc2 Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Thaksin vows to fight on for justice Red shirts fighting for 'genuine democracy' The Red Shirts sure do like to "fight".... http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Red-Shirts-F...hi-t242684.html Red Shirts Fighting Red Shirts In Chiang Mai, five injured at railway station There are many relevant points in the article that relate directly to this thread. thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Thaksin vows to fight on for justice Red shirts fighting for 'genuine democracy' The Red Shirts sure do like to "fight".... http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Red-Shirts-F...hi-t242684.html Red Shirts Fighting Red Shirts In Chiang Mai, five injured at railway station There are many relevant points in the article that relate directly to this thread. thank you. mai pen rai. Happy to highlight the violent nature of Red Shirts to everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Journalist Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 (edited) Yes ... people that have never been convicted of anything that point out that Thaksin was convicted of Abuse of Power while in office are OBVIOUSLY melodramatic! They should go back to wherever they came from and ignore the fact that Thaksin is on the run from justice etc! I don't know why you're incapable of writing anything that isn't sarcastic or facetious in order to make a point. Lets contextualise this.... People abuse power ALL the time in Thailand. In fact, any power they have, they capitalise upon. Whether a policeman, an army officer or a teacher stealing pens from the school stationery cupboard. Thailand has not turned over a new leaf with Thaksin's ousting - as evidenced by the presence in Government of Sanan, Banharn's people and Newin's friends. If his absence implied a new start - i'd be all for it. All thats happened is that power is now being abused by a new bunch.So there is nothing to feel very smug about because Thaksin has a conviction hanging over him. Edited February 16, 2009 by Journalist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Journalist Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 (edited) Sanan being one of the worst relics of the old order. Found guilty of falsifying his asset statement.http://www.apmforum.com/news/ap110800.htm And described therein as "if ever these was an icon of the corrupt establishment in Thailand over many years, it was Sanan." Yet he served his five year ban without whining and threatening. A lot more than can be said about Thaksin. But why bring him back as Deputy PM?* It wasn't compulsory to appoint him to a high office of state after his ban expired. The guy has been proven to be dishonest. He ought to be in disgrace for life. He is just as skilful at abusing power as any of the old guard. I'm surprised even Plus has a good word to say about the ghastly Sanan. He is a blot on the Abhisit cabinet *except the MPs votes that he can guarantee. Edited February 16, 2009 by Journalist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man River Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Sanan being one of the worst relics of the old order. Found guilty of falsifying his asset statement.http://www.apmforum.com/news/ap110800.htm And described therein as "if ever these was an icon of the corrupt establishment in Thailand over many years, it was Sanan." Yet he served his five year ban without whining and threatening. A lot more than can be said about Thaksin. But why bring him back as Deputy PM?* It wasn't compulsory to appoint him to a high office of state after his ban expired. The guy has been proven to be dishonest. He ought to be in disgrace for life. He is just as skilful at abusing power as any of the old guard. I'm surprised even Plus has a good word to say about the ghastly Sanan. He is a blot on the Abhisit cabinet *except the MPs votes that he can guarantee. Your final comment "except the MP's votes that he can guarantee" really says it all. Politics is the same all over the world. While there should be no place for vote buying or threats to people to vote a certain way, much of the rest of it is run of the mill wherever you go. Sanan is a power broker and a powerful one at that. Abhisit is being smart in keeping someone like this, who has already paid his debt to society, on his team. Squeeky clean politics doesn't exist, except for maybe in the fiction section at Asia Books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammered Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Khun Thaksin will go down in history as one of the most demonized and unjustly treated people of our time. Hopefully the next election will put things back in order. "A human rights abuser of the worst kind". Cant remember if it si the words of Amnesty or HRW. Hard to over demonize one of those anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plus Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Thaksin and Banharn&Co are not in the same league. Those guys know where to stop. Thaksin doesn't. Those guys have principles they put above themselves. Thaksin doesn't. Those guys understand that the country belongs to everyone and need to be shared. Thaksin doesn't. >>>> There's no new leaf in Thai politics. There won't be unless all politicians are purged via new politics of some other radical proposal. Realistically that won't happen, they won't vote themselves out. Thai politics is doomed until they physically expire, then maybe people would vote someone else in their place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maccaroni man Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Khun Thaksin will go down in history as one of the most demonized and unjustly treated people of our time. Hopefully the next election will put things back in order. He was getting to popular in LOS and someone got jealous It was always quite clear to me that Thaksins role model was Suharto and that in his mind he was going to be in power for 40 years and have his and his families dirty little fingers in every dirty little money hole in the country. He was well on his way to accomplishing this within the short period of time he was in office so one can only imagine how far he would have gone if he was given another 10 or 20 years and how much of Thailand he would have sold . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Yes ... people that have never been convicted of anything that point out that Thaksin was convicted of Abuse of Power while in office are OBVIOUSLY melodramatic! They should go back to wherever they came from and ignore the fact that Thaksin is on the run from justice etc! I don't know why you're incapable of writing anything that isn't sarcastic or facetious in order to make a point. Lets contextualise this.... People abuse power ALL the time in Thailand. In fact, any power they have, they capitalise upon. Whether a policeman, an army officer or a teacher stealing pens from the school stationery cupboard. Thailand has not turned over a new leaf with Thaksin's ousting - as evidenced by the presence in Government of Sanan, Banharn's people and Newin's friends. If his absence implied a new start - i'd be all for it. All thats happened is that power is now being abused by a new bunch.So there is nothing to feel very smug about because Thaksin has a conviction hanging over him. So far I can't see Abhisit ordering 3000 killings and I doubt I'll see that any time soon. It is a different if you steal a pen or if you kill people and Thaksin did both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Khun Thaksin will go down in history as one of the most demonized and unjustly treated people of our time. Hopefully the next election will put things back in order. "A human rights abuser of the worst kind". Cant remember if it is the words of Amnesty or HRW. Hard to over demonize one of those anyway. Thaksin 'not fit to run Man City' A leading human rights group has written to the Premier League to challenge Thaksin Shinawatra's right to own Manchester City. Human Rights Watch (HRW) claims Thaksin is "a human rights abuser of the worst kind" and should not have passed the League's 'fit and proper person' test. - BBC / July 31, 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc2 Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Khun Thaksin will go down in history as one of the most demonized and unjustly treated people of our time. Hopefully the next election will put things back in order. "A human rights abuser of the worst kind". Cant remember if it si the words of Amnesty or HRW. Hard to over demonize one of those anyway. Time and time again HRW blows things out of all proportion, this is a prime example. They are irresponsible with their words, and as a result lose respect from the more informed audience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Yes ... people that have never been convicted of anything that point out that Thaksin was convicted of Abuse of Power while in office are OBVIOUSLY melodramatic! They should go back to wherever they came from and ignore the fact that Thaksin is on the run from justice etc! I don't know why you're incapable of writing anything that isn't sarcastic or facetious in order to make a point. Lets contextualise this.... People abuse power ALL the time in Thailand. In fact, any power they have, they capitalise upon. Whether a policeman, an army officer or a teacher stealing pens from the school stationery cupboard. Thailand has not turned over a new leaf with Thaksin's ousting - as evidenced by the presence in Government of Sanan, Banharn's people and Newin's friends. If his absence implied a new start - i'd be all for it. All thats happened is that power is now being abused by a new bunch.So there is nothing to feel very smug about because Thaksin has a conviction hanging over him. Again you are using a strawman argument a teacher stealing pens is NOT on the same level with the Prime Minister ripping off the country. Not to mention that the teacher stealing pens has not been convicted of anything, committed a felony, or had the power to be abused! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansnl Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Khun Thaksin will go down in history as one of the most demonized and unjustly treated people of our time. Hopefully the next election will put things back in order. Are you really serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Khun Thaksin will go down in history as one of the most demonized and unjustly treated people of our time. Hopefully the next election will put things back in order. "A human rights abuser of the worst kind". Cant remember if it si the words of Amnesty or HRW. Hard to over demonize one of those anyway. Time and time again HRW blows things out of all proportion, this is a prime example. They are irresponsible with their words, and as a result lose respect from the more informed audience. So he did't murder 3000 people?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc2 Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 for all his mistakes, Thailand was better off on the whole when he was around, compared to all goverments that came after or before him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 (edited) Thailand was better off, unless you were Muslim, in business with or against Thaksin, were targetted by the war on drugs, were Southern, had a brain ..... ... ever spoke out against Thaksin, were a member of the press, were foreign .... Edited February 16, 2009 by jdinasia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammered Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Khun Thaksin will go down in history as one of the most demonized and unjustly treated people of our time. Hopefully the next election will put things back in order. "A human rights abuser of the worst kind". Cant remember if it si the words of Amnesty or HRW. Hard to over demonize one of those anyway. Time and time again HRW blows things out of all proportion, this is a prime example. They are irresponsible with their words, and as a result lose respect from the more informed audience. Quite a bizarre statement. HRW have been criticized over not covering certain abuses worldwide and maybe with some merit. However, except for the offending governments and there apologists I have not heard criticism of them for pointing out gross human rights abuses and indeed the extra judicial deaths of 2700+ (some claim a higher number) people in Thailand during the so called drug war together with certain incidents in the South of Thailand are going to be described as gross human rights abuses by most. The irony or hypocrisy in a "human rights abuser of the worst kind" vowing to fight for his own personal justice as though he holds the ideal of democracy and justice so high is complete when he was the head of a government that denied justice of even the most rudimentary kind to so many. International decisions have found time and again that the head of the government is responsible for the policies, so no excuses there either. Having said that Thaksin is entitled to his day in court even if he denied that right to others That Thaksin did anything good for anyone or was elected while true do not in any way diminish his hideous human rights record, his willingness to deny justice to others and his ultimate culpability for his governments policies. I would suggest that the above is more the opinion of the informed audience. Maybe we should regard the slaughter conducted by Pinochet as blown out of proportion (according to the official Chilean Report the number of dead is remakably close to the number Thaksin managed to crank up). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc2 Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 (edited) ^^I meant as a whole. you cant make everybody happy all of the time. yes he had his flaws but put it all in perspective. Edited February 16, 2009 by mc2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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