Insight Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Started of reading this thread with exactly the same then-puzzling question - what's the NACC got to do with all this!?! Quickly scanning through the posts the answer quickly becomes clear - thanks SJ. Long gone are the days of reading through post after post... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Journalist Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 (edited) If it is illegal to instruct the Police to use tear gas, why are they allowed to procure it and equip themselves with it on operations? I can't think of any circumstance more apt to use gas than in a mob invasion and occupation of Government House. The protesters always refused to move along peacefully when asked politiely whether they were at Government House or on the airport road. They just refused to move. Force was needed to disperse them. Its not as if the Police were sent out with flame throwers... ...or the air force sent in an inflatable airship to drop bombs on the protesters. Edited March 17, 2009 by Journalist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koo82 Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Are we talking about these? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Former commander of the metropolitan police Pol. Lt-Gen. Suchart Muenkaew who authorized the use of Korakot 48 Plan with the protesters faces both charges. What is this plan? If it has a name, it must be on paper somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted March 17, 2009 Author Share Posted March 17, 2009 Its not as if the Police were sent out with flame throwers... They might as well have... Found this online:The mechanism of burn injury was due to the flame generated from the grenade explosion, direct contact between the hot canister and the victim's skin, and the effect of the chemical powder inside the canisters when it splashed onto the victim's body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaleBlue Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 (edited) TIT. lol I suppose now anyone can protest, including shutting Bank of Thailand, the airports, Camp Davis etc, and the police and army cannot move in to do anything about it. Edited March 17, 2009 by DaleBlue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christcourt Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Don't really see what this case has to do with corruption. I'm with "Monkfish" can anyone explain to me what the "NACC" has to do with the civil unrest last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 One can postulate that the decisions making at the top was a type of policy corruption. They may have given orders to take revenge for the PAD's being a long term nuisance. And done if for their own party's benefit, not the good of the country, as reasons, and so policy corruption again. If you read the NACC charter posted link posted above. It does seem to fall with in their scope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koo82 Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 TIT. lolI suppose now anyone can protest, including shutting Bank of Thailand, the airports, Camp Davis etc, and the police and army cannot move in to do anything about it. Those who stopped the illegal protest on 7 Oct can be charged. What do you think if the reds send 20,000 people to seize the so called NACC office and cause some explosions having death to make it excited, then Police won't dare to do a thing, because they don't want to be charged? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koo82 Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Alliance members have since August gone from merely occupying spaces like roads and parks to occupying public buildings, in particular, the Government House. Organised armed "guards" have defended their positions both from opponents and from state security personnel. They have also illegally obtained and openly carried an array of manufactured and homemade weapons, including guns from caches that had reportedly been kept in the government premises. They have illegally detained other citizens. They have vandalised, destroyed and stolen public and private property. In the last day or two it has been reported that in addition to occupying the Suvarnabumi airport they have seized busses, and have refused to allow police into the airport to investigate explosions there during the night. http://www.ahrchk.net/statements/mainfile....tatements/1779/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koo82 Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 What are the reasons they don't judge the PAD for occupying the Government House yet? They did it in August. Why did they judge the 7 October first? Because on this day, Kasit and Chamlong were not seen. Why don't they charge Kasit and Chamlong? What are they waiting for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peecee Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 No win situation, yellow shirts overthrow the government in a thinly disguised coup; then scream for justice when they see the other lot copying their tactics! Everyone might as well admit that thai politics is full of corruption & let everybody bribe everyone else, have an election; and then let the elected government govern. Hopefully the electorate will rise above monetary persuasion and make up their own minds, just like grown up democracies do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 (edited) There has yet to be a government on earth that has risen above monetary persuasions. Coup by court of law it seems. Nixon didn't even wait for the courts or senate to rule on him, he knew he was toast and resigned for the good of the country. Too bad Somchai didn't take the same path since he KNEW it was a done deal, just the legal paper work yet to be finished. But the legal paperwork ousted him and PPP. If he had called it a day, and Sae Dang had not tried removing PAD from GH with grenades, the airport would not have happened. PAD at the airport only sped things up a week or so. But PPP was toast long before PAD took over G.H. The legal gears had yet to turn fully, but as expected they eventually did. Somchai could have bowed to the inevitable and saved the country a lot of pain. After that you can't really blame Abhisit from taking the legal path of forming a coalition. Opportunity presented itself and he walked through that door. Maybe some other made that door open, but that is ALWAYS the case in politics. People get removed from office both by the people and by the courts. It amazes me how many rail at Abhisit and don't say much about the power broker Newin who made it happen. The generals may have added persuasion, but Newin installed this government, and Oct 7th no doubt was large in his calculation. He saw up close the constructive bankruptcy of PPP and the diminished PTP and bailed before permanently going down with that ship of fools. Thaksin created TRT from a huge coalition of self-serving puyais and power brokers, when his iron hand and gilt edged bank books diminished it is only logical that his power would also diminish until he was knocked from the pig-pile. Thaksins power structure's design all but ensured his eventual fall. He just sped it up with his ego driven obsessions to micromanage and profit. Same said obsessions led dithering Somchai to be run over by pressure on Oct 7th and apparently, effectively secede control to vindictive and resentful underlings wanting to prove their metal and please the 'big boss' by teaching PAD a lesson. That 'lesson', prosecutable or not, was a psychological turning point in how far PAD would go to reach their ends. Next idiocy was letting Sae Dang's minions free run of the nights with grenades by government house. What was politics became battle and no holds are barred or ignored in battle. If you look deep enough Thakisn's s missteps and lack of control effectively drove off a, smarter than most, Newin, and put the Democrats into office. Cause and effect. Wrong effect, than planned. Such bad planning and bad execution. Not thinking several steps ahead. Not reading your opponents well, so many mistakes have lead to this end. Edited March 17, 2009 by animatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted March 17, 2009 Author Share Posted March 17, 2009 Former Prime Minister Somchai and National Police Chief Police General Patcharawat Wongsuwan last year ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Police morale affected by indictment: Patcharawat The National Police Chief said yesterday that the anti-graft agency's charges implicating him and other senior officers in the October 7 crackdown were demoralizing for the police. Police Commissioner-General Patcharawat Wongsuwan said the charges by the National Anti-Corruption Commission would negatively affect the morale of police officers in performing their duty. However, he added he was not angry at the NACC because its decision was part of the process of law. Patcharawat said his Deputy, Police General Viroj Pahonvej, who is one of the seven people charged by the NACC, was collecting evidence to defend the police involvement in the crackdown on protesters. He insisted police on that day performed their duty in line with orders written by their supervisors and that police did not use violence with the protesters. Former Prime Minister Somchai Wongsawat and former Deputy Prime Minister Chavalit Yongchaiyudh were also found by the NACC to be responsible for the police crackdown on protesters. On October 7 last year, protesters affiliated with the People's Alliance for Democracy blocked entry to Parliament, where Somchai was to deliver his government's policy statement. Two protesters were killed and many other people, including police officers, were injured in the incident. Chavalit insisted yesterday he had nothing to do with the crackdown as he had resigned as Deputy Prime Minister, according to his aide Lieutenant-General Chawengsak Thongsaluay. Chawengsak said Chavalit had no involvement in supervising the crackdown, directly or indirectly. He said Chavalit had explained himself to the NACC team investigating the matter. Meanwhile, Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban said yesterday the government had not interfered with the NACC investigation and that it would not protect any implicated police officers. "I have no duty to protect anyone in particular. I abide by the law," he said, adding that the NACC would bring the case to court. Patcharawat is the younger brother of Defence Minister Prawit Wongsuwan. - The Nation / 2009-03-18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSJ Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Dale Blue: I suppose now anyone can protest, including shutting Bank of Thailand, the airports, Camp Davis etc, and the police and army cannot move in to do anything about it. Strange isn't it!Somchai had almost ceased to function as a leader of the government in what was quickly becoming an uncontrollable state. The police and the army acted contrary to what is expected of such organizations and the blame for alleged criminal acts by them, or more generally against the people, should be levied at them, not Somchai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plus Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Not if they prove Somchai ordered the crackdown and let it go on after the first wave of blood passed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammered Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 No win situation, yellow shirts overthrow the government in a thinly disguised coup; then scream for justice when they see the other lot copying their tactics! Everyone might as well admit that thai politics is full of corruption & let everybody bribe everyone else, have an election; and then let the elected government govern. Hopefully the electorate will rise above monetary persuasion and make up their own minds, just like grown up democracies do! That is exactly what will happen as soon as Newin has ripped as many sitting PTP MPs from PTP as possible and positioned his party as a new major player and selected his own proxy PM. It will take a little time though for him to be sure his propoganda and control networks have been fully succesful. He has probably lined up most of the MPs by now and just awaaits a diolution so they can technically relocate to his party. In the meantime beating up on PTP and red still serves a Newin purpose. The question is what will Abhisit and the Dems do rather than what will PTP do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted March 18, 2009 Author Share Posted March 18, 2009 More Officials to Face Charges Related to Oct 7 Clash The anti-graft panel is considering filing charges against seven additional officials for their alleged involvement in the October 7 police crackdown against protesters of the People's Alliance for Democracy. National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) member Vichai Vivitsavee has revealed that the panel may file charges against additional suspects allegedly involved in the October 7 police crackdown against demonstrators of the People's Alliance for Democracy or PAD, if the panel finds evidence linking them to the incident. Vichai said the NACC members have considered all the testimonies from the seven currently accused in the October 7 incident. He claimed that the authorities who were referred to in their testimonies may face charges as well. Vichai added that the NACC will inform the seven of the accusations against them, after which they will have 15 days to justify themselves before the panel. They are permitted to hand in additional evidence or a list of additional witnesses for further consideration. Vichai revealed that the NACC is prepared to question more witnesses and examine additional evidence, but the evidence and witnesses will be turned down if they are not found to be related to the allegations. In addition, the report said Deputy Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police Bureau, Major General Amnuay Nimmano is not facing any accusation from the NACC because he took a leave from duty on that day to attend his father’s funeral. - TOC / 2009-03-18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted May 15, 2009 Author Share Posted May 15, 2009 Rally dispersal hearing postponed BANGKOK, 14 May 2009 (NNT) - The National Counter Corruption Commission (NCCC) agreed to postpone hearings on rally dispersal on 7 October 2008. NCCC had approved the postponement of hearings on the rally dispersal on 7 October last year, after seven defendants requested for more time to answer the charges. They were allowed to defend the charges until June 11 from previous expiry date of May 15. Without the defensive arguments, they would be assumed that they accepted the charges, and the NCCC would prosecute them according to the laws. Meanwhile NCCC member, Wicha Mahakhun as the Chairman of the Sub-committee on rally dispersal on October 7 revealed that former Prime Minister Somchai Wongsawat, who was one of the defendants had submitted a document to NCCC asking for the interrogation of more relevant witnesses. -- NNT 2009-05-14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSnake Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 No great fan of ex PM Somchai, but why can't the country move forward and let bygones be bygones. Why on earth would anyone want to be PM? This is a reason they try so hard to hang on to that power once they get it, they know the guy(government) that follow will be willing and waiting to stab this in the lower backside. Sad but pretty much true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted May 15, 2009 Author Share Posted May 15, 2009 No great fan of ex PM Somchai, but why can't the country move forward and let bygones be bygones. Hard to do when considering... Two people were killed and nearly 500 injured that day The pair face a charge of wrongfully exercising their duty resulting in injury, which carries a jail sentence of up to 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 No great fan of ex PM Somchai, but why can't the country move forward and let bygones be bygones. Hard to do when considering... Two people were killed and nearly 500 injured that day The pair face a charge of wrongfully exercising their duty resulting in injury, which carries a jail sentence of up to 10 years. By all appearnces, he apparently e gave the blanket order to people who hated PAD big time, to clean them out, and didn't say anything considering moderation or how to handle it. We have seen the results. It is appropriate for this to be investigated front to back, top to bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbrenn Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 No great fan of ex PM Somchai, but why can't the country move forward and let bygones be bygones. Hard to do when considering... Two people were killed and nearly 500 injured that day The pair face a charge of wrongfully exercising their duty resulting in injury, which carries a jail sentence of up to 10 years. By all appearnces, he apparently e gave the blanket order to people who hated PAD big time, to clean them out, and didn't say anything considering moderation or how to handle it. We have seen the results. It is appropriate for this to be investigated front to back, top to bottom. All this makes for a great conspiracy theory. You should write a novel about it one day, just like Michael Moore - the writer who blamed George Bush for knocking down the World Trade Centre. Agreed with other posters here - all this silly witch hunting is doing is opening wounds. If the govenrment is really serious about reconciliation, it should try letting bygones be bygones. Abhisit should try going to the people who matter, the citizens of Thailand, rather than all this futile lashing around looking for a scapegoat for the fact that it hasn't got anything done. The dems will say that Thaksin caused the Tsunami next, if they thought that it would buy them a few more months of feeding time, anything to shift the focus elsewhere. And if they believe so strongly about purging Thailand of all these criminal elements, how come Abhisit grovels to corrupt old generals and almost kisses people like Newin in public? Whooops! I forgot. Newin the Banned got Abhisit his job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 The wounds are not being reopened, they never healed. Truth and reconciliation commissions existed in many countries to clear the air from past atrocities. Similar is going on in Cambodia now, and has happened in S. Africa, and some south American countries also. Swept under the table doesn't resolve anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plus Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 If I was responsible for death of two people and injuries to another five hundred I would also sing "let bygones be bygones" song. Why is that politicians should be exempt from responsibility for the massacres they initiate? Is because it would inconvenience them or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted May 23, 2009 Author Share Posted May 23, 2009 Police General Thanee appointed as new leader of investigation team on October 7 protest crackdown BANGKOK, 23 May 2009 (NNT) – Police General Thanee Somboonsup has been appointed as a new head of the investigation team on the October 7 crackdown on protests by the People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) in front of the Parliament House in replacement of Police Lieutenant-General Wut Puawes. Police Commissioner-General Police General Patcharavat Wongsuwan authorized the the replacement of head of the panel investigating the crackdown which had resulted in fatalities and casualties. Deputy Commissioner-General Police General Thanee will lead the investigation team from now on. The replacement was made for a quick, correct, impartial, and effective investigation into the matter, according to the national police chief. Police General Thanee is currently a deputy national police chief for crime suppression and is in charge of many major cases including the assassination attempt on PAD core leader Sondhi Limtongkul. -- NNT 2009-05-23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dee123 Posted May 24, 2009 Share Posted May 24, 2009 All this news about "Police Cheifs" arresting "ex Police Cheifs" "Goverment Ministers" heading panels looking into previous "Goverment Ministers" wrong doings is NOTHING NEW!! when will the time come when Press Freedom could have the power to shame corrupt officials like UK is doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted May 27, 2009 Author Share Posted May 27, 2009 Deputy National Police Chief Sees Slow Progress in Oct 7th Crackdown Cases The Deputy National Police Chief has revealed that the progress of the investigation into the October 7th police crackdown on demonstrators of the People’s Alliance for Democracy has been inactive, with only a few investigators seriously pushing the investigation forward. Today, Deputy National Police Commissioner General Thani Somboonsub met with investigators to discuss the progress of the investigation into the police crackdown on People’s Alliance for Democracy (PAD) protesters on October 7th last year. The meeting was held after the National Police Chief assigned Police General Thani to take care of the investigation instead of Assistant to National Police Chief Lieutenant-General Wutt Puaves. Thani disclosed after the meeting that investigators have separated the examination into 19 cases. Two of the cases have been sent to public prosecutors and three, including the deaths of Angkana Radabpanyawut and Police Lieutenant-Colonel Methee Chartmontri and an unidentified case, have had problems come up during the investigation. Thani admitted that some files have problems with operating processes. He found that only a few investigators have been assigned to the cases and are continuing their duties. Thani added that former Bangkok Police Chief Suchart Muankaew will be called to testify in the case. -- Tan Network 2009-05-27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted June 26, 2009 Author Share Posted June 26, 2009 NACC: Some try to delay October 7 case Wicha Mahakhun, a member of the National Anti-Corruption Commission, admitted on Thursday some people had tried to delay completion of the investigation into the police crackdown on People's Alliance for Democracy's protesters in front of parliament on Oct 7 last year. He said this after the PAD came out to ask why no progress has been made on the investigation. Mr Wicha, who is a member of the committee handling the investigation, said there are many obstacles, causing the panel's work to have made little progress. He said for example that while the investigation was handled by a subcommittee some of those accused of mishandling the crackdown, which left many people killed and wounded, petitioned the Administrative Court that the NACC denied their access to investigation reports; some filed a lawsuit against the NACC with the Criminal Court; and some petitioned that the current NACC was illegally appointed by the Council for National Security. He went on to say that some of the accused demanded that some subcommittee members be replaced for the sake of justice. Some members of the investigation panel resigned, reasoning that they had been intimidated. Mr Wicha said the case was finally transferred to be handled by the main committee in which he is a member. He said the committee is now waiting for the accused to submit their defence statements. The deadline is June 29. Continued here: http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/1471...elay-oct-7-case -- Bangkok Post 2009-06-26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 Anything unexpected.... nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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