400 000thb For Three Months. Did It Change Again?

[starve4visa]

hi

I phoned to Mae sot today and they ask for 400 000thb for three months and not two months.

Does somebody know the TRUTH?

lol

[Lite Beer]

hi

I phoned to Mae sot today and they ask for 400 000thb for three months and not two months.

Does somebody know the TRUTH?

lol

Can you please tell us what you are talking about.

[starve4visa]

About that

2.18 In case of a family member of a Thai (applicable only to parents, spouse, child, adopted child or child of his/her spouse):

Permission will be granted for a period of not more than 1 year at a time.

(1) The alien has obtained a temporary visa (non-IM)

(2) Proof of family relationship

(3)In the case of a spouse. The marital relationship shall be de jure (legitimate) and de facto;

(4) In the case of a child, adopted child or child of his/her spouse, the said person must not be married, must be less than 20 years of age; or

(5) In the case of a parent, one of parents must have an average income not less than 40,000THB per month or a money deposit 0f not less than 400,000 THB for expenses within a year.

In other necessary circumstances, The immigration commissioner or Deputy of Immigration Commissioner may approve on case to case basis.

(6) In case of marriage with a Thai lady, the husband who is an alien must have an average income of not less than 40,000 THB per month or a money deposit in a local Thai bank of not less than 400,000 THB for the past 2 month for expenses within a year.

Mae sot immigration Police said three months

[Mario2008]

The police order you quoted is the thruth, it is 2 months and I didn't see any reports saying that Mae Sot requires 3 months. So must be a mistake.

[Lite Beer]

Thank You.

Yes the rule is 2 months. If you are being told 3 months they are wrong.

[starve4visa]

Now what if...

They stand on their positions?

Would it be a good thing to get a pdf of the law written in Thai on the Thai Visa website?

[Mario2008]

You can find it here: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/post-a70478-...7-2551.pdf.html

But it is never advisible to wave it in their face.

[starve4visa]

Thank you,

Is there a way to legalize (date, stamp,...) my piece of printed paper so I may in last resort in my negotiations present the paper in the most smilling courteous manner (kreang Jai included)?

[geoffphuket]

It's my opinion that most immigration officers interpret the rules how they feel fit....and that if they ask for three months, it's unlikely they'll back down and lose face. Sorry, but that's how I see it

[abdulrahman]

It's my opinion that most immigration officers interpret the rules how they feel fit....and that if they ask for three months, it's unlikely they'll back down and lose face. Sorry, but that's how I see it

T.i.T.

The side of Thailand we all don't like.

[Sunny Valentine]

Pattaya Immigration requests the money for Thai Family extension to be in the account for 3 month too.

As usual, it is those who are supposed to to follow their own rules who ignore them.

Sunny

[Lite Beer]

Pattaya Immigration requests the money for Thai Family extension to be in the account for 3 month too.

As usual, it is those who are supposed to to follow their own rules who ignore them.

Sunny

If by Thai Family Extension you mean having a Thai Child the rule actually does not state any time limit on the bank balance.

(5) In the case of a parent, one of parents must have an average annual income of not less than 40,000 baht per month or a money deposit of not less than 400,000 baht for expenses within a year.

If you mean having a Thai Wife the rule does state 2 months.

(6) In case of marriage with a Thai lady, the husband who is an alien must have an average annual income of not less than 40,000 baht per month or a money deposit in a local Thai bank of not less than 400,000 baht for the past 2 months for expenses within a year.

[Mario2008]

Thank you,

Is there a way to legalize (date, stamp,...) my piece of printed paper so I may in last resort in my negotiations present the paper in the most smilling courteous manner (kreang Jai included)?

You just have to point out the police order (777/2551), that is the current order they have to follow. If they deny an extension you can ask them to put the reason for denying on paper and appeal the decision.

[johnefallis]

It's my opinion that most immigration officers interpret the rules how they feel fit....and that if they ask for three months, it's unlikely they'll back down and lose face. Sorry, but that's how I see it

The upside to this is that you can just present your information to a different immigration officer or office. As well a lawyer can often help with things like this. I have a contact that has connections inside immigration in the Bkk area, if you would like more info PM me.

John

[bonsaimax]

A Friend went to Bangkok Immig. last week and they asked for 400K dep for 3 months.

[lopburi3]

My question is are they asking 3 months for first time application or perhaps for those already on an extension of stay? They may be using the same first time 2 months and thereafter 3 months that they use for retirement.

[tijnebijn]

Pattaya Immigration requests the money for Thai Family extension to be in the account for 3 month too.

As usual, it is those who are supposed to to follow their own rules who ignore them.

Sunny

If by Thai Family Extension you mean having a Thai Child the rule actually does not state any time limit on the bank balance.

(5) In the case of a parent, one of parents must have an average annual income of not less than 40,000 baht per month or a money deposit of not less than 400,000 baht for expenses within a year.

If you mean having a Thai Wife the rule does state 2 months.

(6) In case of marriage with a Thai lady, the husband who is an alien must have an average annual income of not less than 40,000 baht per month or a money deposit in a local Thai bank of not less than 400,000 baht for the past 2 months for expenses within a year.

So you still think when on family extension my wifes 40k the month still gives me

the extension -rights based on that ? I still haven't seen any reports that it does or doesn't .....

And I still believe that (5) should be read how you state it , but other mods seem to disagree ,

but till now still can asume still . If the 40k is possible I am hording my 400k for nothing right now ,

which is in a way hurting investment in my wifes business ...

[lopburi3]

Pattaya Immigration requests the money for Thai Family extension to be in the account for 3 month too.

As usual, it is those who are supposed to to follow their own rules who ignore them.

Sunny

If by Thai Family Extension you mean having a Thai Child the rule actually does not state any time limit on the bank balance.

(5) In the case of a parent, one of parents must have an average annual income of not less than 40,000 baht per month or a money deposit of not less than 400,000 baht for expenses within a year.

If you mean having a Thai Wife the rule does state 2 months.

(6) In case of marriage with a Thai lady, the husband who is an alien must have an average annual income of not less than 40,000 baht per month or a money deposit in a local Thai bank of not less than 400,000 baht for the past 2 months for expenses within a year.

So you still think when on family extension my wifes 40k the month still gives me

the extension -rights based on that ? I still haven't seen any reports that it does or doesn't .....

And I still believe that (5) should be read how you state it , but other mods seem to disagree ,

but till now still can asume still . If the 40k is possible I am hording my 400k for nothing right now ,

which is in a way hurting investment in my wifes business ...

Am not sure what you are talking about as this seems to be your first post in the thread and it is about 400k requirements. The quoted post seems to clearly say the money has to be your income if using the 40k method.

[Mario2008]

Pattaya Immigration requests the money for Thai Family extension to be in the account for 3 month too.

As usual, it is those who are supposed to to follow their own rules who ignore them.

Sunny

If by Thai Family Extension you mean having a Thai Child the rule actually does not state any time limit on the bank balance.

(5) In the case of a parent, one of parents must have an average annual income of not less than 40,000 baht per month or a money deposit of not less than 400,000 baht for expenses within a year.

If you mean having a Thai Wife the rule does state 2 months.

(6) In case of marriage with a Thai lady, the husband who is an alien must have an average annual income of not less than 40,000 baht per month or a money deposit in a local Thai bank of not less than 400,000 baht for the past 2 months for expenses within a year.

So you still think when on family extension my wifes 40k the month still gives me

the extension -rights based on that ? I still haven't seen any reports that it does or doesn't .....

And I still believe that (5) should be read how you state it , but other mods seem to disagree ,

but till now still can asume still . If the 40k is possible I am hording my 400k for nothing right now ,

which is in a way hurting investment in my wifes business ...

I believe that the rule is that base on a Thai child, the parent who applies for the extension must meet the income requirements. I'm not sure about the correctness of the transaltion on this point.

As for still being able to use your wife's income. For old cases, immigration has the discretion to take the wife's income into consideration. That is only for the first extension under the new rules and this possibility will end on 29 Nov. 2009. Also it is a discretion, they don't have to take your wife's income into consideration.

[tijnebijn]

I'm talking about that (5) one of parents must have an income of over 40k ...

There was a serious heated debate a couple of months ago on this subject ,

how to translate and interpreted the stated .

Thats why my reaction on Litebeer given post .. bit offtopic sorry .

[Maestro]

tijnebijn, it is definitely a wrong translation. See the Thai text:

“In the case of a parent, that parent must have...”, or since the Thai language has no single word for parent, literally translated as “in the case of a father of mother, that father of mother must have...”. The operative word in the Thai text, as verified in consultation with members in the Thai Langauge Forum, is นั้น

Throughout the Police Order 777/2551, “in the case of...” means “where the applicant is...”

Correct translation of clause 2.18(5) is below:

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Maestro

[tijnebijn]

Thats pretty clear then , out of the question now .

Thanks for posting the correct translation Maestro , can be hard sometimes I can imagine .

Thats why its also clear why there aren't any reports about this , cause there isn't anything to report about ,

it has vanished .

I'm about to go for my next extension in the end of July , I'm saving the 400k up right now ,

and I'm able to have the amount at the end of May only .

I've transferred the most in my bankaccount already , I wonder if it has to be from oversees ,

the amount comes from my wifes account , does it matter even if there are no statements it can't ?

I will apply in my last week of the current extension , cause of the 60 days , there could be a problem too if it turned 90 now , not sure about that .

Also my wife still pays taxes of 40k the month income , should we still submit the papers while making the new extension ,

might help or not cause I the man have to make the dosh ...

Anyway if it is not granted , which I doubt , I will have to go the old fashioned way and go on multiples again ....

In the mean time I'm hoping the new now old rules are taken back again for joint income , have to stay positive on

something right !

Again thanks mods for all the good work , ps tell Litebeer to post the correct translations next time , cause it only creates confusion ... or he thinks other wise perhaps still ...if so why ?

Edited March 28, 2009 by tijnebijn

[Lite Beer]

Again thanks mods for all the good work , ps tell Litebeer to post the correct translations next time , cause it only creates confusion ... or he thinks other wise perhaps still ...if so why ?

The quote I posted is the translation we recieved when the new Police Order was released. It is the one that everyone has been using.

The quote Maestro used is from a new and little known translation from solicitors Tilleke and Gibbins.

Unless you have the patience that Maestro has to go through every word of the document and find a small difference you would not have spotted it. Unless of course it applied to you specifically.

EDIT.

In fact the passage in that translation differs to Maestros Quote and also my earlier quote.

So there we go. 2 translations from reputable solicitors plus Maestro's translation all giving different wordings.

You choose.

[Maestro]

I don’t know how to edit text in a PDF document, otherwise I would do it for 2.18(5) and add a footnote.

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Maestro

[Lite Beer]

Maestro. Who translated the quote you gave? and is it the the definitive translation.

[tijnebijn]

So it is still confusing then .....

And perhaps still a little hope , I don't know how to read it correctly anymore .

Ofcourse one way we will find it out when asking directly to immigration ,

and even that might not give the answer because they probably want to do the 400k

way only , but if lucky the correct officer with the correct answer and a correct mood will do .....

How you Lite beer presented the translation , is exactly the way my wife also understood it , and she

is an educated Thai , but could be wrong also .

Indeed it is the case that I am the parent of and married to a Thai , so it does affect me very much ,

so I will find out later anyway .

Thanks for telling me and other members how it stands in your viewpoint Lite beer , appreciate it very much .

My guess is that the correct translation cannot be taken softly , whichever that is and whoever says this or that is the

correct one . Unless proven other wise with field reports and facts the advise given to members

should be correct and still is not really sure like Mario stated earlier .

Whatever what the correct answer might be it will be and we let it be , untill that the advise should be as the way

you wrote it in your last post .

Cheers ,

[Lite Beer]

Even when rules are black and white some Immigration Officers do not follow them.

What chance do you have when it is not clear.

[Maestro]

Maestro. Who translated the quote you gave? and is it the the definitive translation.

It was posted here by someone who said he knew for sure, but I can't find it any more. I will bring it to the Thai Language forum.

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Maestro

[sailorEd]

I was told by my friendly immigration office in Bangkok eleven months ago, that in the future she wanted to see the 400K in the bank for three months. Wanted to see the balance stamped in the bank book at the first of each month AND wanted a letter from the bank certifying the balances and deposits made from transfers during the period.

As many have said, what has been printed is only as good as the immigration officers disposition at the time and the strength of your SMILE.

[lopburi3]

Eleven months ago the 400k was not authorized except as a grandfather method - it is currently an authorized method again so hopefully attitudes may have changed. This is the first time I have seen anyone report Bangkok wanted to see 65k monthly - but as you say it is the luck of the draw and the power of your smile that makes or breaks.