Fulham Result?

[Devil]

and now you why I like West Ham

It's just facts isn't it & i just can't see why people defend at all costs their Managers or Players even when their arguement isn't justified in the slightest, just because they're from their Club..

If my Players or Manager do something wrong or my argument isn't justified, just because they're from my Club, i won't stick up for them to the hilt & why ?? Because they're wrong & if you're wrong you're wrong & if you're right you're right, simple..

& then to argue the point on just 1 point difference is, in my opinion, absurd given the Domestic success difference between those 3 Managers, plus i even said that Rafa is progressing & improving domestically with each Year that passes...

Agree with your last point Benetiz is improving, which makes him one of the best Managers in the game right now. And hence his new 5 years contract

Lets not forget Benitez is only coming up to 5 years in charge and I and many LFC fans think hes done brilliant! There will always be critics of every LFC manager as nealry all teams are very jealous of the clubs history and success.

Liverpool is going in the right direction under Raffa and playing IMHO great football in the domestic league and in Europe.

Anyway thought this topic was about Fulham beating Utd

[rixalex]

Liverpool is going in the right direction under Raffa and playing IMHO great football in the domestic league and in Europe.

You've had three great games on the bounce

Go back a bit further than that and i wouldn't say you've been playing great. More like you've been playing ok, interspersed with some flashes of brilliance.

I might add that i feel pretty much the same about my own team. If we ignore the last two terrible games and consider the way we played when we went so long without conceding, in my opinion it wasn't great at all. Well it was of course great in terms of what it did to our position in the table, but what was going on on the pitch, especially up front, wasn't what you'd call pretty.

There are fans of course who don't care about it being pretty - they'll happily sit bored sh*tless for 90 minutes if it means getting 3 points. I'm not one of them.

[bkkjames]

and now you why I like West Ham

It's just facts isn't it & i just can't see why people defend at all costs their Managers or Players even when their arguement isn't justified in the slightest, just because they're from their Club..

I agree MS, after the LP game - I was our first and worst critic -

If my Players or Manager do something wrong or my argument isn't justified, just because they're from my Club, i won't stick up for them to the hilt & why ?? Because they're wrong & if you're wrong you're wrong & if you're right you're right, simple..

Agree totally, the Paul Scholes hand ball and red card were justified - I don't like it - but it's justified

& then to argue the point on just 1 point difference is, in my opinion, absurd given the Domestic success difference between those 3 Managers, plus i even said that Rafa is progressing & improving domestically with each Year that passes...

[Devil]

Liverpool is going in the right direction under Raffa and playing IMHO great football in the domestic league and in Europe.

You've had three great games on the bounce

Go back a bit further than that and i wouldn't say you've been playing great. More like you've been playing ok, interspersed with some flashes of brilliance.

I might add that i feel pretty much the same about my own team. If we ignore the last two terrible games and consider the way we played when we went so long without conceding, in my opinion it wasn't great at all. Well it was of course great in terms of what it did to our position in the table, but what was going on on the pitch, especially up front, wasn't what you'd call pretty.

There are fans of course who don't care about it being pretty - they'll happily sit bored sh*tless for 90 minutes if it means getting 3 points. I'm not one of them.

Point taken.

Thankfully I don't have to sit bored sh*tless for 90 minutes watching LFC.

Its been edge of the seat football for me all seaon! I watch the games (not just clips and highlights like many critics do) The stats show the amount of shots on goal and chances we have made in games. Thats what I call entertaining, even if sometimes goaless. (each to his own) I still think the football LFC played in the 80's was the best but watching our front two of Torress and Gerrard is getting close to that!

[bkkjames]

Liverpool is going in the right direction under Raffa and playing IMHO great football in the domestic league and in Europe.

You've had three great games on the bounce

Go back a bit further than that and i wouldn't say you've been playing great. More like you've been playing ok, interspersed with some flashes of brilliance.

I might add that i feel pretty much the same about my own team. If we ignore the last two terrible games and consider the way we played when we went so long without conceding, in my opinion it wasn't great at all. Well it was of course great in terms of what it did to our position in the table, but what was going on on the pitch, especially up front, wasn't what you'd call pretty.

There are fans of course who don't care about it being pretty - they'll happily sit bored sh*tless for 90 minutes if it means getting 3 points. I'm not one of them.

Point taken.

Thankfully I don't have to sit bored sh*tless for 90 minutes watching LFC.

Its been edge of the seat football for me all seaon! I watch the games (not just clips and highlights like many critics do) The stats show the amount of shots on goal and chances we have made in games. Thats what I call entertaining, even if sometimes goaless. (each to his own) I still think the football LFC played in the 80's was the best but watching our front two of Torress and Gerrard is getting close to that!

that 2-0 defeat to the midwives and what is it 9 draws at home have been edge of the seat stuff .

Agree with you that Rush and co were good to watch.

[StevieH]

by whom? rival fans? 'the neutral'? the press? i couldn't give a flying fuc_k what any of them think of him rix.

I wasn't saying that you should care what others think, i was just intrigued to know whether anyone could explain why it is that players like Gerrard receive plenty of plaudits and is always spoken of highly by everyone, including even those who could be described as anti-Liverpool, whereas Rafa isn't. If it was just down to an anti-Liverpool bias as Jimjim suggests, why aren't all Liverpool players and mananger trashed alike?

he's held in huge esteem by his peers in the game, they being the people who actually know what they're talking about.

Which rather suggests that both my and your opinion is of no value

gerrard gets plenty of plaudits because he's brilliant and an england golden boy. rafa doesn't get any credit in the media because he doesn't play their silly little games and give them cheap and easy copy like gobshites like redknapp, allardyce and o'neill do.

i've never claimed my opinion was of any value mate.

[StevieH]

It's just facts isn't it & i just can't see why people defend at all costs their Managers or Players even when their arguement isn't justified in the slightest, just because they're from their Club..

If my Players or Manager do something wrong or my argument isn't justified, just because they're from my Club, i won't stick up for them to the hilt & why ?? Because they're wrong & if you're wrong you're wrong & if you're right you're right, simple..

& then to argue the point on just 1 point difference is, in my opinion, absurd given the Domestic success difference between those 3 Managers, plus i even said that Rafa is progressing & improving domestically with each Year that passes...

i don't defend rafa 'at all costs' and am happy to criticise him when he makes a mistake, which of course he does, he's human. but i'll defend him to the hilt against gobshite journalists sniping at him to suit an editorial agenda or unqualified tosser tv pundits having a pop at him for no reason other than they don't like him because he doesn't play their games in post-match interviews. likewise i'll defend him against rival clubs' fans who trot out tabloid received wisdom as if it's fact about the man.

the '1 point' thing is disingenuous, of course it doesn't make him a 'better' manager than ferguson. ferguson's been there, won the lot and has done it year on year. all i asked of rafa this season was an improvement on last season, and we've undoubtedly had that.

[Devil]

Liverpool is going in the right direction under Raffa and playing IMHO great football in the domestic league and in Europe.

You've had three great games on the bounce

Go back a bit further than that and i wouldn't say you've been playing great. More like you've been playing ok, interspersed with some flashes of brilliance.

I might add that i feel pretty much the same about my own team. If we ignore the last two terrible games and consider the way we played when we went so long without conceding, in my opinion it wasn't great at all. Well it was of course great in terms of what it did to our position in the table, but what was going on on the pitch, especially up front, wasn't what you'd call pretty.

There are fans of course who don't care about it being pretty - they'll happily sit bored sh*tless for 90 minutes if it means getting 3 points. I'm not one of them.

Point taken.

Thankfully I don't have to sit bored sh*tless for 90 minutes watching LFC.

Its been edge of the seat football for me all seaon! I watch the games (not just clips and highlights like many critics do) The stats show the amount of shots on goal and chances we have made in games. Thats what I call entertaining, even if sometimes goaless. (each to his own) I still think the football LFC played in the 80's was the best but watching our front two of Torress and Gerrard is getting close to that!

that 2-0 defeat to the midwives and what is it 9 draws at home have been edge of the seat stuff .

Agree with you that Rush and co were good to watch.

Borough game was dire... Euro hangover and bad day at the office.

Draws at home, lucky for you we didn' t win them! the season would of been well over...Having watched the home games (You said you don't watch LFC) so not really any point in discussing with you. But for the record we played some very attacking football and controlled throughout. We didn't have a front pairing of Torres and Gerrard to finish teams off which we do now

Barnes was my hero back then! best player I ever saw in real life play, even he had his critics outside Liverpool.

[Devil]

It's just facts isn't it & i just can't see why people defend at all costs their Managers or Players even when their arguement isn't justified in the slightest, just because they're from their Club..

If my Players or Manager do something wrong or my argument isn't justified, just because they're from my Club, i won't stick up for them to the hilt & why ?? Because they're wrong & if you're wrong you're wrong & if you're right you're right, simple..

& then to argue the point on just 1 point difference is, in my opinion, absurd given the Domestic success difference between those 3 Managers, plus i even said that Rafa is progressing & improving domestically with each Year that passes...

i don't defend rafa 'at all costs' and am happy to criticise him when he makes a mistake, which of course he does, he's human. but i'll defend him to the hilt against gobshite journalists sniping at him to suit an editorial agenda or unqualified tosser tv pundits having a pop at him for no reason other than they don't like him because he doesn't play their games in post-match interviews. likewise i'll defend him against rival clubs' fans who trot out tabloid received wisdom as if it's fact about the man.

the '1 point' thing is disingenuous, of course it doesn't make him a 'better' manager than ferguson. ferguson's been there, won the lot and has done it year on year. all i asked of rafa this season was an improvement on last season, and we've undoubtedly had that.

rival clubs' fans who trot out tabloid received wisdom as if it's fact about the man.

See to much of that on here also

[StevieH]

You speak a lot of sense Mr Singh. I too am baffled as to why Liverpool fans are so defensive of Rafa, and immediately assume that anyone who bad mouths him must be doing so because they are anti-Liverpool.

there's a definite anti-benitez agenda in the english press. you read a paper this week? or seen sky tv? their agenda this week, because they can't have a pop at him for results or rotation or zonal marking or any of the other usual chestnuts is 'why does rafa not smile when liverpool score?'. it's utter horseshit and stinks of a structured and personal campaign against the man. so i'll defend him forever against that kind of fuc_kwittery.

I think a large part of the reason why Rafa is not popular outside of the club itself, has to do not only with the fact that people doubt that he's the real deal, but is down to the way he plays the team. More often than not, his approach will be to sit on a lead and hope for getting a goal on the counter - and if that goal doesn't come, not to worry because he's happy enough with a 1-0 victory. He might be happy, as too might the Liverpool fans be, but for the neutral it's an awfully boring tactic and one that seems at times very unnecessary, when considering the strength of the squad and the weakness of the opposition.

real deal? won la liga twice ahead of madrid and barcelona with a fraction of the budget. won the champions league in his first season with liverpool and got to the final again two years later. two european cup finals in three years, something alex ferguson has only achieved in twenty years. year on year improvement of the team in league terms, consistent performance in the european cup. not the real deal? bugger off rix.

and as for 'boring' - top scorers in the league this season, gerrard joint top scorer in the country on 21 goals. beat madrid 5-0 on aggregate. spanked champions man united 4-1 in their own back yard. thrashed villa 5-0. yeah, boring as hel_l.

and at the end of the day the 'neutral' fan can fuc_k off frankly. you want pretty football with no trophies to show for it and a club in regression? go watch arsenal.

[StevieH]

Liverpool is going in the right direction under Raffa and playing IMHO great football in the domestic league and in Europe.

You've had three great games on the bounce

Go back a bit further than that and i wouldn't say you've been playing great. More like you've been playing ok, interspersed with some flashes of brilliance.

I might add that i feel pretty much the same about my own team. If we ignore the last two terrible games and consider the way we played when we went so long without conceding, in my opinion it wasn't great at all. Well it was of course great in terms of what it did to our position in the table, but what was going on on the pitch, especially up front, wasn't what you'd call pretty.

There are fans of course who don't care about it being pretty - they'll happily sit bored sh*tless for 90 minutes if it means getting 3 points. I'm not one of them.

you're mad then rix, i gave you more credit than that. football isn't about entertainment, it's about winning.

[Devil]

You speak a lot of sense Mr Singh. I too am baffled as to why Liverpool fans are so defensive of Rafa, and immediately assume that anyone who bad mouths him must be doing so because they are anti-Liverpool.

there's a definite anti-benitez agenda in the english press. you read a paper this week? or seen sky tv? their agenda this week, because they can't have a pop at him for results or rotation or zonal marking or any of the other usual chestnuts is 'why does rafa not smile when liverpool score?'. it's utter horseshit and stinks of a structured and personal campaign against the man. so i'll defend him forever against that kind of fuc_kwittery.

I think a large part of the reason why Rafa is not popular outside of the club itself, has to do not only with the fact that people doubt that he's the real deal, but is down to the way he plays the team. More often than not, his approach will be to sit on a lead and hope for getting a goal on the counter - and if that goal doesn't come, not to worry because he's happy enough with a 1-0 victory. He might be happy, as too might the Liverpool fans be, but for the neutral it's an awfully boring tactic and one that seems at times very unnecessary, when considering the strength of the squad and the weakness of the opposition.

real deal? won la liga twice ahead of madrid and barcelona with a fraction of the budget. won the champions league in his first season with liverpool and got to the final again two years later. two european cup finals in three years, something alex ferguson has only achieved in twenty years. year on year improvement of the team in league terms, consistent performance in the european cup. not the real deal? bugger off rix.

and as for 'boring' - top scorers in the league this season, gerrard joint top scorer in the country on 21 goals. beat madrid 5-0 on aggregate. spanked champions man united 4-1 in their own back yard. thrashed villa 5-0. yeah, boring as hel_l.

and at the end of the day the 'neutral' fan can fuc_k off frankly. you want pretty football with no trophies to show for it and a club in regression? go watch arsenal.

and at the end of the day the 'neutral' fan can fuc_k off frankly. you want pretty football with no trophies to show for it and a club in regression? go watch arsenal.

<deleted>-cking well said Stevie!

[MSingh]

It's just facts isn't it & i just can't see why people defend at all costs their Managers or Players even when their arguement isn't justified in the slightest, just because they're from their Club..

If my Players or Manager do something wrong or my argument isn't justified, just because they're from my Club, i won't stick up for them to the hilt & why ?? Because they're wrong & if you're wrong you're wrong & if you're right you're right, simple..

& then to argue the point on just 1 point difference is, in my opinion, absurd given the Domestic success difference between those 3 Managers, plus i even said that Rafa is progressing & improving domestically with each Year that passes...

i don't defend rafa 'at all costs' and am happy to criticise him when he makes a mistake, which of course he does, he's human. but i'll defend him to the hilt against gobshite journalists sniping at him to suit an editorial agenda or unqualified tosser tv pundits having a pop at him for no reason other than they don't like him because he doesn't play their games in post-match interviews. likewise i'll defend him against rival clubs' fans who trot out tabloid received wisdom as if it's fact about the man.

the '1 point' thing is disingenuous, of course it doesn't make him a 'better' manager than ferguson. ferguson's been there, won the lot and has done it year on year. all i asked of rafa this season was an improvement on last season, and we've undoubtedly had that.

& in my own defence, i did say that initially Mate...

[MSingh]

and now you why I like West Ham

It's just facts isn't it & i just can't see why people defend at all costs their Managers or Players even when their arguement isn't justified in the slightest, just because they're from their Club..

If my Players or Manager do something wrong or my argument isn't justified, just because they're from my Club, i won't stick up for them to the hilt & why ?? Because they're wrong & if you're wrong you're wrong & if you're right you're right, simple..

& then to argue the point on just 1 point difference is, in my opinion, absurd given the Domestic success difference between those 3 Managers, plus i even said that Rafa is progressing & improving domestically with each Year that passes...

Agree with your last point Benetiz is improving, which makes him one of the best Managers in the game right now. And hence his new 5 years contract

Lets not forget Benitez is only coming up to 5 years in charge and I and many LFC fans think hes done brilliant! There will always be critics of every LFC manager as nealry all teams are very jealous of the clubs history and success.

Liverpool is going in the right direction under Raffa and playing IMHO great football in the domestic league and in Europe.

Anyway thought this topic was about Fulham beating Utd

Yep, all true Devil...

[StevieH]

It's just facts isn't it & i just can't see why people defend at all costs their Managers or Players even when their arguement isn't justified in the slightest, just because they're from their Club..

If my Players or Manager do something wrong or my argument isn't justified, just because they're from my Club, i won't stick up for them to the hilt & why ?? Because they're wrong & if you're wrong you're wrong & if you're right you're right, simple..

& then to argue the point on just 1 point difference is, in my opinion, absurd given the Domestic success difference between those 3 Managers, plus i even said that Rafa is progressing & improving domestically with each Year that passes...

i don't defend rafa 'at all costs' and am happy to criticise him when he makes a mistake, which of course he does, he's human. but i'll defend him to the hilt against gobshite journalists sniping at him to suit an editorial agenda or unqualified tosser tv pundits having a pop at him for no reason other than they don't like him because he doesn't play their games in post-match interviews. likewise i'll defend him against rival clubs' fans who trot out tabloid received wisdom as if it's fact about the man.

the '1 point' thing is disingenuous, of course it doesn't make him a 'better' manager than ferguson. ferguson's been there, won the lot and has done it year on year. all i asked of rafa this season was an improvement on last season, and we've undoubtedly had that.

& in my own defence, i did say that initially Mate...

oh i know you did mate, no problem. i was just having a bit of a rant because the media attitude to rafa benitez at the moment is pissing me off something chronic. sky and the press parrot enough crap often enough and it becomes accepted truism, next thing it's being parroted in taxis and in pubs and then suddenly it's gospel. it's absolute <deleted> it is.

[Devil]

It's just facts isn't it & i just can't see why people defend at all costs their Managers or Players even when their arguement isn't justified in the slightest, just because they're from their Club..

If my Players or Manager do something wrong or my argument isn't justified, just because they're from my Club, i won't stick up for them to the hilt & why ?? Because they're wrong & if you're wrong you're wrong & if you're right you're right, simple..

& then to argue the point on just 1 point difference is, in my opinion, absurd given the Domestic success difference between those 3 Managers, plus i even said that Rafa is progressing & improving domestically with each Year that passes...

i don't defend rafa 'at all costs' and am happy to criticise him when he makes a mistake, which of course he does, he's human. but i'll defend him to the hilt against gobshite journalists sniping at him to suit an editorial agenda or unqualified tosser tv pundits having a pop at him for no reason other than they don't like him because he doesn't play their games in post-match interviews. likewise i'll defend him against rival clubs' fans who trot out tabloid received wisdom as if it's fact about the man.

the '1 point' thing is disingenuous, of course it doesn't make him a 'better' manager than ferguson. ferguson's been there, won the lot and has done it year on year. all i asked of rafa this season was an improvement on last season, and we've undoubtedly had that.

& in my own defence, i did say that initially Mate...

oh i know you did mate, no problem. i was just having a bit of a rant because the media attitude to rafa benitez at the moment is pissing me off something chronic. sky and the press parrot enough crap often enough and it becomes accepted truism, next thing it's being parroted in taxis and in pubs and then suddenly it's gospel. it's absolute <deleted> it is.

[jjp]

oh i know you did mate, no problem. i was just having a bit of a rant because the media attitude to rafa benitez at the moment is pissing me off something chronic. sky and the press parrot enough crap often enough and it becomes accepted truism, next thing it's being parroted in taxis and in pubs and then suddenly it's gospel. it's absolute <deleted> it is.

cracking up, cracking up, stevie's cracking up

[StevieH]

cracking up, cracking up, stevie's cracking up

hehe. only with laughter at wayne rooney's spoiled schoolboy act on saturday mate.

the stuff in the press about rafa does grate on the nerves though.

[rixalex]

There are fans of course who don't care about it being pretty - they'll happily sit bored sh*tless for 90 minutes if it means getting 3 points. I'm not one of them.

you're mad then rix, i gave you more credit than that. football isn't about entertainment, it's about winning.

We've been down this road just recently, and i think the outcome was that we do have diametrically opposing views. For me football is all about entertainment. It's the very reason why i became addicted to it and if my desire for it makes me a lesser fan in the eyes of others, that's just the way it'll have to be.

[rixalex]

<deleted>-cking well said Stevie!

OK, settle down now boys.

[StevieH]

There are fans of course who don't care about it being pretty - they'll happily sit bored sh*tless for 90 minutes if it means getting 3 points. I'm not one of them.

you're mad then rix, i gave you more credit than that. football isn't about entertainment, it's about winning.

We've been down this road just recently, and i think the outcome was that we do have diametrically opposing views. For me football is all about entertainment. It's the very reason why i became addicted to it and if my desire for it makes me a lesser fan in the eyes of others, that's just the way it'll have to be.

if you want something structured and designed to deliver entertainment and drama then you've got the wrong football man. you want the america version.

for me football is more about nerves than enjoyment, more about controversy than beauty, more about the destination than the journey. they're the reasons i love it, that you can talk about it for days and weeks afterwards, not just all nod and agree that what you just saw was aesthetically pleasing.

[rixalex]

There are fans of course who don't care about it being pretty - they'll happily sit bored sh*tless for 90 minutes if it means getting 3 points. I'm not one of them.

you're mad then rix, i gave you more credit than that. football isn't about entertainment, it's about winning.

We've been down this road just recently, and i think the outcome was that we do have diametrically opposing views. For me football is all about entertainment. It's the very reason why i became addicted to it and if my desire for it makes me a lesser fan in the eyes of others, that's just the way it'll have to be.

if you want something structured and designed to deliver entertainment and drama then you've got the wrong football man. you want the america version.

for me football is more about nerves than enjoyment, more about controversy than beauty, more about the destination than the journey. they're the reasons i love it, that you can talk about it for days and weeks afterwards, not just all nod and agree that what you just saw was aesthetically pleasing.

Who said anything about structure? Not all entertainment has to be the of the Hollywood, factory-produced variety.

A crucial factor in the entertainment that football provides is that it's unpredicatable and unexpected things can and often do happen.

It's also not only the moments of beauty, but the ugly incidents which can entertain us the most.

Stevie, if i want aesthetically pleasing i have a perfectly good mirror for that purpose.

[oldgit]

There are fans of course who don't care about it being pretty - they'll happily sit bored sh*tless for 90 minutes if it means getting 3 points. I'm not one of them.

you're mad then rix, i gave you more credit than that. football isn't about entertainment, it's about winning.

We've been down this road just recently, and i think the outcome was that we do have diametrically opposing views. For me football is all about entertainment. It's the very reason why i became addicted to it and if my desire for it makes me a lesser fan in the eyes of others, that's just the way it'll have to be.

if you want something structured and designed to deliver entertainment and drama then you've got the wrong football man. you want the america version.

for me football is more about nerves than enjoyment, more about controversy than beauty, more about the destination than the journey. they're the reasons i love it, that you can talk about it for days and weeks afterwards, not just all nod and agree that what you just saw was aesthetically pleasing.

As far as I'm concerned,supporting Chelsea is ALL about nerves,controversy and the result.It can't be entertaining because the club is entrenched in my being and,quite frankly,it's a relief when the final whistle goes,whatever the result.However,when I am in neutral mode,I settle back and hope to watch an entertaining encounter with a bias towards any team that are playing Man. Utd.

[JacknDanny]

[quote name='StevieH' date='2009-03-24 21:35:59' post='2617424'

for me football is more about nerves than enjoyment, more about controversy than beauty, more about the destination than the journey. they're the reasons i love it, that you can talk about it for days and weeks afterwards, not just all nod and agree that what you just saw was aesthetically pleasing.

I knew you were a closet City fan

[bkkjames]

for me football is more about nerves than enjoyment, more about controversy than beauty, more about the destination than the journey. they're the reasons i love it, that you can talk about it for days and weeks afterwards, not just all nod and agree that what you just saw was aesthetically pleasing.

I knew you were a closet City fan

well, this may explain his short-sightedness.

[Jimjim]

Msingh, your comparison by the numbers of those three managers is completely mind-numbing. You only count domestic trophies in England, and sorry, Rafa hasn't had the time in England that Wenger or Ferguson has had to win all those trophies. Utter rubbish comparison. At least compare like for like, which you didn't do at all. Give me a break. Try again. Or don't, as math seems a poor subject for you. Skewing the stats to fit your opinion doesn't really work as a good argument.

I didn't say we'd win the league, but you all seem to think it's some accident that Liverpool are in the position they're in, and can't stoop to give credit to the manager. It's disingenuous and frankly a real head scratcher as to why you try so hard to say he isn't that great of a manager.

Benetiz's trophy haul: 2 La Liga Titles, 1 Uefa Cup, 1 Champions League Title, 1 FA Cup, 1 Super Cup, 1 Charity Shield (5 major and 2 minor) and he's only been a manager in first division, top flight football since 2001. Not to mention he managed Tenerife.

So, was your comparison fair? Not at all. Compared to Wenger and Ferguson, he's still a young manager and hasn't been in England nearly as long as both of them. I would say without a doubt that Wenger and Ferguson are fantastic managers (and Benitez has won more trophies and been in more finals than whining Wenger since he's been in England, but that's just too obvious) but I just find it odd that everyone loves to criticize Benitez to no end. It's ok if you don't like him, but analyze his results objectively.

[StevieH]

for me football is more about nerves than enjoyment, more about controversy than beauty, more about the destination than the journey. they're the reasons i love it, that you can talk about it for days and weeks afterwards, not just all nod and agree that what you just saw was aesthetically pleasing.

I knew you were a closet City fan

well, this may explain his short-sightedness.

nah that's hereditary mate. i got my mum's eyesight and she's united fan.

[spud1]

Can't anyone else see the genius in this post?Only wish it were real!I applaud redscouse

[bkkjames]

Guess I will ask Migsy or JS to start a childrens thread in the football forum.

[StevieH]

Guess I will ask Migsy or JS to start a childrens thread in the football forum.

you've got two weeks of this too until the next league match.