Thailand Troops Enter Cambodia

[JonTan]

"If you used such language with other countries ... your country would drop down to a cheap status" "If I insulted your king and queen, what would you say? If I insulted your prime minister or your ancestors, what would you say?" said Hun Sen.

Charge Hun Sen for LM?

Sorry cannot post link. Google it yourselves.

Edited April 2, 2009 by JonTan

[DaleBlue]

"If you used such language with other countries ... your country would drop down to a cheap status" "If I insulted your king and queen, what would you say? If I insulted your prime minister or your ancestors, what would you say?" said Hun Sen.

Charge Hun Sen for LM?

Sorry cannot post link. Google it yourselves.

Thai press seems to have left out the bit about Thai king and queen.

However most foreign press (AP, etc.) print the full quote.

http://www.google.co.th/search?hl=en&q...+your+ancestors

Edited April 2, 2009 by DaleBlue

[thaiman]

They've had it too good for too long ... Theyre spoilt and have attitudes. . I think they need a good fight to learn (or remember) how bad things can be, they haven't known suffering for hundreds of years.

Well said! Hopefully the new economic crisis will teach em a lesson or two about being spoiled.

[seri thai]

This thread has lasted longer than the "armed incursion of Thai troops into Cambodia in preparation for war" itself (or other facetious words to that effect).

The "war" that never was, in other words.

Waiting for the Barbarians

By Constantine Cavafy (1864-1933)

What are we waiting for, assembled in the forum?

The barbarians are due here today.

Why isn't anything happening in the senate?

Why do the senators sit there without legislating?

Because the barbarians are coming today.

(How serious people's faces have become.)

Why are the streets and squares emptying so rapidly,

everyone going home so lost in thought?

Because night has fallen and the barbarians have not come.

And some who have just returned from the border say

there are no barbarians any longer.

And now, what's going to happen to us without barbarians?

They were, those people, a kind of solution.

[seri thai]

I'm a Thai national and I am seriously annoyed at how the government is dealing with this crisis.

For the love of god, respect the UN's decision already. It's just a bloody temple, we have 10,000 more of those in the country >.<

I'm especially sickened as to how the military treats this issue. Not too long ago someone (with a serious misunderstanding in history I might add) made a powerpoint on all the times we have lost territory. That included really retarded things like Indochina (which were our protectorates and not really national provinces) and the ceding of some southern provinces to Malaysia. Totally taken out of context (sacrificed VOLUNTARILY by Rama V to preserve our independence...a worthy sacrifice if I may add, not to mention how the lost territory is mostly jungles and mountains), the ppt did nothing but to rile up nationalism with exaggerations and falsities.

What did the military do?

They practically worship that thing. Every statistic, every written word is treated as the &lt;deleted&gt; bible. Not too long ago I went to the Ror Dor boot camp at Khao Chon Gai and sure enough, they devoted 2 hours and a colonel to drill this bullshit into our heads.

Did people believe it? I don't know, but it seems that about half were almost ready to run against a Cambodian machine gun, and the other half were too busy talking about DotA tactics

Correct, last year I visited and old navy fort near by Bangkok where you could visit the fort and an old warship. For more than an hour the military guide talked how much territory Thailand lost. You've got the impression that Thailand in early day's was bigger than China.

Outside was a statue of some Admiral where people made offerings and pray encouraged by the military.

From Monty Python...

"Now, two boys have been found rubbing linseed oil into the school cormorant. Now, some of you may feel that the cormorant does not play an important part in the life of the school, but I would remind you that it was presented to us by the Corporation of the town of Sudbury to commemorate Empire Day, when we try to remember the names of all those from the Sudbury area who so gallantly gave their lives to keep China British. So, from now on, the cormorant is strictly out of bounds!

Dont mess with the school cormorant boys, you have been warned!

[Plus]

That little &lt;deleted&gt; Hun Sen shamelessly treats disputed territory as Cambodian. It isn't. Thai soldiers have as much rights to enter there as Cambodians, and when they do enter, they don't cross Cambodian border, as Hun Sen claims.

>>>

Someone said earlier: "It's just a temple".

No, it isn't. Hund Sen wants ALL of it - all disputed border areas, several hundred square kilometers, I guess, as his own. The area around the temple is just a start.

>>>

Next there will be accusations that the mine that blew Thai soldier's lef off was freshly planted. Not a neighbourly allegation, but I wouldn't put it past Hun Sen.

[caf]

Send in that mighty Cambodian Juggernaut army - arriving in Toyota pick up trucks. That will put the fear of God into them.

This headline is inflammatory and dumb. I get a TV Breaking News flash in the email, and immediately check the BKK Post and Nation websites, expecting to see some update on the situation. Instead, what do I find? Nothing, because is a non story.

Thanks Pierrot....Next time, just shout "Wolf Wolf Wolf" like you're supposed to.

How dumb a statement.

Do you for one moment expect lackey papers to print this story.

Obviously he thinks that if it ain't in the Nation and Post it doesn't exist. Thank heavens we have access to impartial news on the internet

[Plus]

Yeah, if it's on the Internet, it must be true. And certainly impartial.

[hammered]

Thailand and Cambodia have loads of disputed territory including a potentially very important piece of sea. Nobody is going to give an inch and there willbe more of these cases with one side saying they were on my land/sea and the other saying we were on our land/sea. It also doesnt matter who the repsective government is in either country.

This is also not unique to Thailand and Cambodia.

[apetley]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7980535.stm

BBC reporting a fresh exchange of gunfire today.

[farseer]

It is always the Thai army that illegally crosses into Cambodian territory, and I would presume 100% on purpose to annoy Hun Sen. But the Cambodians are fighters and will retaliate just like they did back in the 60s when the Thai army thought they could take the temple but the Thais lost and suffered high casualties.

Perhaps some of you remember when the Thai army chose to attack Laos, in the 70s, again losing and again suffering high casualties.

So, it seems that the generals just want to play war games every now and again but they always end up losing. (See the south for a prime example of how inept and stupid the Thai army is).

For a start the temple is Cambodian, it is not a Thai style and neither was it built by Thais. The temple is in ruins, it is just a piece of junk now but the Thais are so arrogant and greedy that they must have it. Well, the truth is that they never ever will.

There seems to be millions of temples in this country why do they need this pile of rubble?

Edited April 3, 2009 by farseer

[Plus]

It is always the Thai army that illegally crosses into Cambodian territory

Who says it's Cambodian terrotory?

[bangkokrick]

Gunfire at the on the Cambodian border. It's about time they sorted this out politically.

The link to the story

Cheers, Rick

[Thai at Heart]

Oh dear oh dear. What are these plonkers up to?

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/1394...orted-on-border

Two Khmer soldiers killed in border clashes

By: AFP

Published: 3/04/2009 at 02:51 PM

Two Cambodian soldiers were killed in a gunfight with Thai troops on the disputed area near Preah Vihear temple, a Cambodian government spokesman said Friday afternoon.

"We are fighting with each other, it is serious gunfire. Two of our soldiers have been killed," Khieu Kanharith told AFP.

Cambodian and Thai authorities confirmed heavy gunfire had broken out about 2pm following a brief exchange of shots earlier in the day.

Cambodian commander Bun Thean told AFP that shots had been fired between troops in a number of spots near the ancient temple on the border, which has not been fully demarcated.

Thailand foreign ministry spokesman, Tharit Charungvat later confirmed the clash, but said fighting had since ended with no Thai casualties.

Tensions had been raised since an exchange of shots early in the morning after Cambodian soldiers went to investigate the spot where a Thai soldier stepped on a landmine on Thursday and lost his leg.

Thai and Cambodian government officials both accused the other of violating its sovereignty and of triggering the gunfire, which left no reported injuries.

Tensions flared along the border in July last year after the 11th century Khmer temple there was granted United Nations world heritage status. Soldiers clashed in the area in October, leaving four troops dead.

Cambodian troops said they were placed on "high alert" after the landmine incident, two days after their premier Hun Sen warned Thailand that it would face fighting if its troops

Edited April 3, 2009 by Thai at Heart

[Boater]

"It was an accident, a misunderstanding among officials on the ground, which is common when you are closely positioned," said Thai Defense Minister Pravit Wongsuwan.

what a load of crap....

[bangkokrick]

"It was an accident, a misunderstanding among officials on the ground, which is common when you are closely positioned," said Thai Defense Minister Pravit Wongsuwan.

what a load of crap....

So I take it from the crap comment that you are English? Yes I agree, so why can't they just share it and call it a trip? I have been there and i can say that it's not Thai style even if it may be on Thai land. It's the bloody French to blame again. Lol.

Cheers, Rick

[Boater]

So I take it from the crap comment that you are English?

correct ...

so why can't they just share it and call it a trip?

agree , but i dont think it will happen

It's the bloody French to blame again

haha ......

[Oberkommando]

BBC reporting two Thai soldiers have been killed and gunfire is now being exchanged by both sides.

This was inevitable once this government took power. The PAD and the ultra-conservatives were pushing for this to happen and staging protests at the Preah Vihear temple itself in order to stir up tensions when Somchai was still PM.

Let's hope it doesn't escalate further.

Thailand should respect the border as demarked by the International Court judgement.

They were warned by the Cambodian PM further incursions into Cambodian territory would be met with military force and the Thais obviously want to provoke a conflict.

[medegen]

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingne...in-in-Si-Sa-Ket

Thai, Cambodian troops clash again in Si Sa Ket

Si Sa Ket - Thai and Cambodian troops clashed near the border here for the second time Friday.

The second gunfight took place at 2:30 pm on the Phu Makua Mountain near the stairway to the Preah Vihear Temple.

A market of the community near the stairway was destroyed in fire following the 30-minute clash.

The Nation

[kennkate]

Blody Frog Farangs. Now we have to start shooting at each other

All because of the Farangs can't do anything right.

.

Lets just make it more difficult for them. Charge more for Visa's

Make them hand over Cash on arrivial to pay for the confllct

It's all their fault. Pay Back Time. Knowing Thailand I think it could happen it's daft enough

[Oberkommando]

Both sides reporting casualties now.

Fighting is still ongoing according to BBC News.

[sabaijai]

Thailand must be in a worse economic situation than thought. Either that or the Government is more worried about the red-shirts than they say. Seems incredulous that this is happening one day before the big red shirt rally.

Nothing like the threat of a war to take people's mind of domestic problems and build unity.

Ummmm, then again, didn't we see that happen not long ago? Pardon my cynicism.

As pointed out, Cambodia will not back-down because everything says they have ownership of the temple. Time they taught Thailand a lesson about trespassing.

BBC reporting two Thai soldiers have been killed and gunfire is now being exchanged by both sides.

This was inevitable once this government took power. The PAD and the ultra-conservatives were pushing for this to happen and staging protests at the Preah Vihear temple itself in order to stir up tensions when Somchai was still PM.

Let's hope it doesn't escalate further.

Thailand should respect the border as demarked by the International Court judgement.

They were warned by the Cambodian PM further incursions into Cambodian territory would be met with military force and the Thais obviously want to provoke a conflict.

Thailand fully acknowledges the court decision. This is a different case, with reference to an area not ruled upon by the UN court. There are a couple of long threads discussing the details with reference to similar flareups in July and October last year.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Cambodia-Thr...-2-t217504.html

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Thai-Troops-...l=cartographers

[seri thai]

That little &lt;deleted&gt; Hun Sen shamelessly treats disputed territory as Cambodian. It isn't. Thai soldiers have as much rights to enter there as Cambodians, and when they do enter, they don't cross Cambodian border, as Hun Sen claims.

>>>

Someone said earlier: "It's just a temple".

No, it isn't. Hund Sen wants ALL of it - all disputed border areas, several hundred square kilometers, I guess, as his own. The area around the temple is just a start.

>>>

Next there will be accusations that the mine that blew Thai soldier's lef off was freshly planted. Not a neighbourly allegation, but I wouldn't put it past Hun Sen.

erm, maybe he's promised it to golfing buddy Thaksin as a casino or a golf course for the generals?

You've been conditioned to believe that everyone is after your land and women, well look around the country and see who really owns what. Check out the casinos over the borders, who owns them? Where did your forests disappear to? Who sold the trees? who's selling the mountains for cement? where have all the fish in the sea gone? If you keep this up much longer there'll be nothing left for the chinese army to take when they arrive.

I'm truly sorry if this sounds racist but it's elements of your own nation that are selling you out and have done so for years whilst drip-feedingyou scary stories about evil foreigners.

I don't expect for a moment you could absorb such a radical notion and the loss of face it engenders. But that's exactly what they're relying on.

You're stuck in the Matrix (or Plato's Cave) if you will.

You can choose to unplug or go on believing, your choice.....

Apologies to the mods but sometimes I feel the need to say something!

"Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori"

....and it my opinion both sides score political points for the "electorate" but the poor bloody infantry pay for it! A bayonet is a weapon with a peasant on either end!

Edited April 3, 2009 by seri thai

[noahvail]

Gunfire at the on the Cambodian border. It's about time they sorted this out politically.

The link to the story

Cheers, Rick

More from Yahoo.com: They're reporting that four Thai soldiers have been killed.

Meh - edited cuz I couldn't get the link hidden correctly :-(

[Oberkommando]

Thailand fully acknowledges the court decision.

This is a different case, with reference to an area not ruled upon by the UN court. There are a couple of long threads discussing the details with reference to similar flareups in July and October last year.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Cambodia-Thr...-2-t217504.html

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Thai-Troops-...l=cartographers

Thailand does not acknowledge the court decision, and that is the whole problem.

That is exactly why they stationed troops around Preah Vihear and denied Cambodians access in the first place.

Then the conflict has spread further North to other disputed areas.

Thailand has been stirring this up for months. PAD were protesting at Preah Vihear and putting pressure on the Thai Government to refuse to acknowledge the UN World Heritage listing.

These clashes started off near Preah Vihear earlier today and that area was most certainly ruled on by the ICJ.

If you are going to quote link to direct sources, not other ThaiVisa threads.

[h90]

Blody Frog Farangs. Now we have to start shooting at each other

All because of the Farangs can't do anything right.

.

Lets just make it more difficult for them. Charge more for Visa's

Make them hand over Cash on arrivial to pay for the confllct

It's all their fault. Pay Back Time. Knowing Thailand I think it could happen it's daft enough

[Electra]

Indeed Sabaijai but it would be disingenuous of the Thai to imply that the Cambodians are entirely to blame for this flare up and still maintain that they are fully aquiescent on the 1962 ruling.

To remind folk, Samak agreed to support the Cambodians in their bid for the Viharn temple to be listed as a UNESCO World Heritage site but in so doing misjudged the extent of Thai jingoism that had been appropriated by his political enemies, notably the Yellow shirt movement. Quite ironic when you consider that the TRT, his erstwhile party, was founded on the political bedrock of garish nationalism. Still, somewhat belatedly and under pressure to retrieve the political highground back from his enemies Samak sent troops to occupy the area adjacent to Viharn. It would be naive to believe that the Thai in upping the stakes would not seek to revisit the terms of the 1962 decision and understandably the Cambodians are quite sensitive to this.

A decent firefight with the Thai retreating bloody nosed should convince the Yellow shirt brigade to resolve their political differences on the streets of Bangkok and not on the borders with peaceful neighbours.

I have no sympathy for the Thai and their practice of charging visitors to the site on the spurious pretext that to gain entry through the only means of access they are entering a " national park " is a cynical disgrace and epitomises everything that is abhorrent about the Thai.

Edited April 3, 2009 by Electra

[Boater]

BANGKOK, April 3 (Reuters) - One Thai soldier was killed and seven others wounded on Friday in fighting with Cambodian troops near a disputed Hindu temple on their border, a Thai general said.

Second Army commander Wiboonsak Neepan told Reuters the soldier died from a rocket-propelled grenade fired by Cambodian troops in an afternoon clash near the 900-year-old Preah Vihear temple. (Reporting by Panarat Thepgumpant; Writing by Darren Schuettler; Editing by Sanjeev Miglani)

http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSBKK408536

[seri thai]

Indeed Sabaijai but it would be disingenuous of the Thai to imply that the Cambodians are entirely to blame for this flare up and still maintain that they are fully aquiescent on the 1962 ruling.

To remind folk, Samak agreed to support the Cambodians in their bid for the Viharn temple to be listed as a UNESCO World Heritage site but in so doing misjudged the extent of Thai jingoism that had been appropriated by his political enemies, notably the Yellow shirt movement. Quite ironic when you consider that the TRT, his erstwhile party, was founded on the political bedrock of garish nationalism. Still, somewhat belatedly and under pressure to retrieve the political highground back from his enemies Samak sent troops to occupy the area adjacent to Viharn. It would be naive to believe that the Thai in upping the stakes would not seek to revisit the terms of the 1962 decision and understandably the Cambodians are quite sensitive to this.

A decent firefight with the Thai retreating bloody nosed should convince the Yellow shirt brigade to resolve their political differences on the streets of Bangkok and not on the borders with peaceful neighbours.

I have no sympathy for the Thai and their practice of charging visitors to the site on the spurious pretext that to gain entry through the only means of access they are entering a " national park " is a cynical disgrace and epitomises everything that is abhorrent about the Thai.

"Patriotism-the last refuge of a scoundrel" Is Dr Samuel Johnson allowed free speech on here?

[Livinginexile]

The Thai's had better be carefull!

Cambodian soldiers are a fearsome bunch of mudderfokers, the remains of the KR or their decedants.

I know this from personal experience.

Thai would win a conventional war hands down, but a protracted gurilla war? Cambodia would wipe their little brown asses.

All this Thai saber rattling! it's going to come back and bite them right on the ass.