Resident Permit And Born Of An Child!

[OttoThai]

Dear Forum!

I have an speciel problem an perhaps i need a lowyer,but first i try here!

1.-I stay in Thailand and neraly 15 years i have an Residency Permit and my name stay

in the blue house register from my first Thai wife.

Last month my Laos secound wife born a child for me in Thailand!

First the Thai office think,my baby get the Thai nationality,but now he got an birth certificate without a nationality.

Is this ok?

2.the Thai office say,my child will get ,same the father,a Residency Permit=bat dang dao.

Bevor i must put the name of my child in the house register from my first wife,there were my name and the name of my son (Thai/German,20 years) stay already.

My first wife,the owner of the grand/house must give there agreement,but she refuse this,

because she angry me of the birth of my child (not that i have a secound wife).

The heritage will share now with my new child when i will die!

But i must put the name of my child in the house register within 15 days,otherwice i must pay a fine from 1.000 Bath to the office.

What can i do?

3.OK,i can stay in Thailand how long i want,my new child too (first until the age of 14 with the Thai paper of born in Thailand),but what is with the Laos mother?

She got sometimes a tourist visa or a 30 days border visa,but must leave Thailand all time.

Can she get an long term visa too?

OK,i have for Laos an one year business visa,but Laos is more expensiv for stay,Thailand is the better choice and my homecountry,germany,is to cold,to expensive too and to unfree for stay long.

Where has an good idea?

Otto

[samran]

http://canberra.thaiembassy.org/migration_info.pdf

Looking at this table (see section 13 onwards) the answer is "no" unfortunately.

Although it isn't entirely clear what constitutes and 'illegal alien' according to this table, I suspect, that it may include a person who is here on a temporary visa (eg tourist, non-immigrant). As such, according to this table from the thai embassy, someone with PR married to a foreigner without PR cannot pass down citizenship.

given you are married, surely you can get a non-immigrant 'o' visa for your wife, and she can stay with you on that without needing to do border runs?

[OttoThai]

Thank You!

When i make my Laos friend to a Legal Alien,so Nr.12,our Child get a Thai!

With a tourist visa,she is a illegal alien?

What happend with the Viet-peple live in Thailand,mother and mother were not Thai but there children.

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Sorry,i can't get married twice!

I think,it is not nessecery that our child get the PR!

I must then pay 191,400 baht!

Better i look for a german passport and then my child get a non imigrant 0

[ubonjoe]

Since the child is not a Thai citizen you can get a visa at a embassy/consulate and then an extension of stay at immigration.

For the childs mother if you are not married to her she could get a multiple entry non immigrant o visa to visit her child after the child gets a visa and/or extension. It might be possible for her to get it at the embassy in Laos since she is a Lao citizen,

[ubonjoe]

Thank You!

When i make my Laos friend to an Legal Alien,so Nr.12,our Child get a Thai!

With a tourist visa,she is an illegal alien?

As far as granting Thai citizenship goes she is an illegal alien unless she has a PR like you.

[OttoThai]

As far as granting Thai citizenship goes she is an illegal alien unless she has a PR like you

But he can stay Thailand until the age of 14 with the Thai birth certification?

[ubonjoe]

He still needs to get citizenship from either Germany and/or Laos. I have read that Germany does not allow dual nationality.

Butl if he leaves the country. Then what if he does not have a visa. I think the age limit you quote is for not paying an overstay.

The main reason to get the visa/extension is so that his mother can get a visa.

[samran]

What happend with the Viet-peple live in Thailand,mother and mother were not Thai but there children.

Law was that people born on Thai soil up until 1973(?) were automatically granted Thai citizenship. Following that, effectively one of your parents had to have citizenship, or both be PR.

The Thai citizenship act revision of 2008 I think has granted children of born between 1973 and 1992 to non-citizen parents the right to Thai nationality if they were born on Thai soil, so long as they can show an enduring link to Thailand.

See the discussion here for more detail.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Applying-Tha...66#entry2592466

[TerryLH]

"As far as granting Thai citizenship goes she is an illegal alien unless she has a PR like you."

I don't think I follow all of this statement. I understand the first part, about citizenship, but not why she would be considered an illegal alien, if in fact she is here legally.

Samran wasn't sure about what he said. He used the words, "I suspect...".

Maybe the sentence was just poorly worded, or is there more info?

Thanks

Terry

[Mario2008]

Germany does allow dual nationality, but only under specific circumstances. You have to distinguish between having dual nationality by way of birth and applying for a second nationality out of your own free will. Many countries don't allow you to take on a second nationality out of your own free will, but do allow it if it is because of the law of both countries. You need to check with both embassies.

If you were not married to the mother, you need to legalise the child!

[CWMcMurray]

I agree, the best thing you could do for the child is ensure that his German Citizenship is secure.

Since you have PR it would be very simple to get Non Im for the child and his mother could then get non-im based upon the child.

If he can have dual nationality he should have German/Laos based upon parentage.

Not sure if this is true or not, but if you owned a condo in your name could your child get PR by putting him in that Tabien Baan?

[OttoThai]

Dual nationality is for Germany possible,because my son is German and Thai,because the mother is Thai and the father is German.He must not give up one nationality when he was 18 years.i got the answer from the german embassy!

but if you owned a condo in your name could your child get PR by putting him in that Tabien Baan?

For my condo i don't get the blue Tabien Baan!My first wife want i change my Tabien Baan too,but the Amphoer said,this is not possible because the condo has no ground!

My second problem,where has a good idea?

2.the Thai office say,my child will get ,same the father,a Residency Permit=bat dang dao.

Bevor i must put the name of my child in the house register from my first wife,there were my name and the name of my son (Thai/German,20 years) stay already.

My first wife,the owner of the grand/house must give there agreement,but she refuse this,

because she angry me of the birth of my child (not that i have a secound wife).

The heritage will share now with my new child when i will die!

But i must put the name of my child in the house register within 15 days,otherwice i must pay a fine from 1.000 Bath to the office.

What can i do?

[CHINWA]

Dear Forum!

I have an speciel problem an perhaps i need a lowyer,but first i try here!

1.-I stay in Thailand and neraly 15 years i have an Residency Permit and my name stay

in the blue house register from my first Thai wife.

Last month my Laos secound wife born a child for me in Thailand!

First the Thai office think,my baby get the Thai nationality,but now he got an birth certificate without a nationality.

Is this ok?

2.the Thai office say,my child will get ,same the father,a Residency Permit=bat dang dao.

Bevor i must put the name of my child in the house register from my first wife,there were my name and the name of my son (Thai/German,20 years) stay already.

My first wife,the owner of the grand/house must give there agreement,but she refuse this,

because she angry me of the birth of my child (not that i have a secound wife).

The heritage will share now with my new child when i will die!

But i must put the name of my child in the house register within 15 days,otherwice i must pay a fine from 1.000 Bath to the office.

What can i do?

3.OK,i can stay in Thailand how long i want,my new child too (first until the age of 14 with the Thai paper of born in Thailand),but what is with the Laos mother?

She got sometimes a tourist visa or a 30 days border visa,but must leave Thailand all time.

Can she get an long term visa too?

OK,i have for Laos an one year business visa,but Laos is more expensiv for stay,Thailand is the better choice and my homecountry,germany,is to cold,to expensive too and to unfree for stay long.

Where has an good idea?

Otto

COME ON OTTO,

If you gave your as the father at the birth of the child you MUST go to your embassy and register the birth of your son there. After that and since you have a residence permit your child is automatically allowed to stay at your care. As for your Laos girlfriend I think that the best way is for you to ask the Immigration Authorities before you make any mistake and lose the previlege of residency. Do not ask people what to do. Go yourself to the right palcesand get some legal counceling

[CHINWA]

As far as granting Thai citizenship goes she is an illegal alien unless she has a PR like you

But he can stay Thailand until the age of 14 with the Thai birth certification?

Please, go and register the birth of your son in the German Embassy FIRST. After that the authorities will tell you what to do. Dual nationality is possible and already accepted by Thai authorities. If you don't register the bird of your son within 14 days then you'll have problems.

Best wishes to both

[OttoThai]

If you don't register the bird of your son within 14 days then you'll have problems

I must register the birth in the time from 15 days at the Amphoer (Tessabann).

This i make already.

The fatherregistraten at the German Embassy it is my thinking when i will do it,but quick it is better for my son.

The Thai Amphoer not command me make a registraten at the Embassy,because i have the RP and the policebook is my passport.

My son kan make it too,but first i must put him in the tabien baan from my first wife and this is now not possible.

I am late now and must pay 1.000 Bath when the office know about this.

[samran]

If you don't register the bird of your son within 14 days then you'll have problems

I must register the birth in the time from 15 days at the Amphoer (Tessabann).

This i make already.

The fatherregistraten at the German Embassy it is my thinking when i will do it,but quick it is better for my son.

The Thai Amphoer not command me make a registraten at the Embassy,because i have the RP and the policebook is my passport.

My son kan make it too,but first i must put him in the tabien baan from my first wife and this is now not possible.

I am late now and must pay 1.000 Bath when the office know about this.

If you have another Thai friend who you trust (and they trust you!) it is a fairly simple matter to have your tabieen baan moved over to theirs and then (with their permission of course) have your son put on the books.

Your ex wife does not need to give you permission to move off her tabieen baan at all.

[OttoThai]

Your ex wife does not need to give you permission to move off her tabieen baan at all

we are still arried and i support she and my son with her!

I need a permission to put my new son in her tabien baan,because she is the owner of the house and garden.

I am only the phuuu assai (rent) a house)!

[ubonjoe]

Your ex wife does not need to give you permission to move off her tabieen baan at all

we are still arried and i support she and my son with her!

I need a permission to put my new son in her tabien baan,because she is the owner of the house and garden.

I am only the phuuu assai (rent) a house)!

What he is saying is for you to move yourself from your wifes tambien bahn to a Thai friends and then register your child in their house book.