Boarding A Nw Flight In The Us Without Visa

[Thaiquila]

Hello,

I am think of risking this scenario.

Do you think it will work boarding a Northwest flight in the US.

Rountrip NW ticket lasting 70 days

Holding rountrip ticket Thailand to Singapore that shows leaving Thailand before 30 days, and staying in Thailand under 30 days for the second stay.

In other words, I can show evidence that I will not overstaying either one of two 30 day stamps.

The obvious point is to ask the airlines, but I am in Thailand now, and I am not sure I would really trust what some customer service person told me anyway.

I am wondering whether in the real world they would actually have the unmitigated GALL to stop me from boarding in this scenario. (And would it help that I have been en elite NW member for years?)

Edited January 31, 2005 by Thaiquila

[toastwars]

your edit has clarified. Immigratin never ask to see proof of your exit plans, you get stamped, after 30 days cross the border and get another visa on entry, no need to be so cloak and dagger about it, i stay here for months on end, rent a flat, and only get a work permit when I need it to carry out exports( about twice a year) all on a tourist 30 day visa, no one will check, chill man

Edited January 31, 2005 by toastwars

[Thaiquila]

Not sure what you mean??

Are you saying that you will not be going to singapore? but boarding a return flight from BKK without using the singapore leg of your ticket. If so why would they have a problem? Can you be a little clearer, and <deleted> has your visa got to do with the airline anyway

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

No, I plan on going to Singapore and plan to NOT overstay either of two 30 day stamps.

Generally, airlines can stop you from boarding if they see you don't have a visa and that your return flight leaves over 30 days from date to departure. If you have any kind of visa, no problem.

My question is that if they try to stop me from boarding, I show them a ticket out of Thailand, will that solve the problem, or not.

[toastwars]

Not sure what you mean??

Are you saying that you will not be going to singapore? but boarding a return flight from BKK without using the singapore leg of your ticket. If so why would they have a problem? Can you be a little clearer, and &lt;deleted&gt; has your visa got to do with the airline anyway

No, I plan on going to Singapore and plan to NOT overstay either of two 30 day stamps.

Generally, airlines can stop you from boarding if they see you don't have a visa and that your return flight leaves over 30 days from date to departure. If you have any kind of visa, no problem.

My question is that if they try to stop me from boarding, I show them a ticket out of Thailand, will that solve the problem, or not.

your visa has nothing to do with the airlines, tell them to take a running jump if they do, that is between you and immigration, anyway see my edited post above, bit of cross comunication sorry

Edited January 31, 2005 by toastwars

[Thaiquila]

Thanks.

In reality, it is the airlines business, because if a foreign immigration denies entry, the airlines are liable to pay for your return.

So naturally they want to protect their interests to avoid flying anyone for free.

But all very well to tell the airlines to take a running jump.

In today's reality, they would take that as a provocative terror threat and place you on the NO FLY list.

I don't fancy taking the slow freighter boat to Thailand, thank you very much.

Oh I forget, you would get on the no sail list too.

[chico]

sorry, but 30 days is no visa

if you can show the airline that you have a confirmed flight out of the country within 30 days, there should be no problem, but without visa, they tend to require that confirmation.

otherwise, ni problem in your plans

[lopburi3]

You will not have a problem with the airline as long as you have a visa or a confirmed ticket out of Thailand within the 30 day visa free entry period. So yes your plan will work.

You do not tell airline where to go if you want to board the aircraft. They have every right to refuse boarding to anyone not meeting immigration requirements and without the above or a visa he would not be meeting Thai requirements.

[toastwars]

Thanks.

In reality, it is the airlines business, because if a foreign immigration denies entry, the airlines are liable to pay for your return.

So naturally they want to protect their interests to avoid flying anyone for free.

But all very well to tell the airlines to take a running jump.

In today's reality, they would take that as a provocative terror threat and place you on the NO FLY list.

I don't fancy taking the slow freighter boat to Thailand, thank you very much.

Oh I forget, you would get on the no sail list too.

Only if you are an American, tell everyone you know not to vote bush next time then maybe you will live in the land of the free in four years time. I can't belive that you have to kowtow to the airlines in your country you are their customer tell em to stick it and go with a european carrier

[toastwars]

You will not have a problem with the airline as long as you have a visa or a confirmed ticket out of Thailand within the 30 day visa free entry period.  So yes your plan will work.

You do not tell airline where to go if you want to board the aircraft.  They have every right to refuse boarding to anyone not meeting immigration requirements and without the above or a visa he would not be meeting Thai requirements.

I am glad that the british still belive that a mans home is his castle, and that his government works for him, I could not imagine any airline out of england even being interested in what visa you have when you can get one on arrival and simply cross the border to have it renewed for free perfectly legitimatly, do you have to submit an itinery of your whole trip, you pay them they are not flying you out of the goodness of their hearts.

[Erwin1011]

when you are citizen of the visa excempt countries, you only need to show your outbound ticket within the 30 days limit. You have then complied with all legel aspects of your travel. Refusal by the airline to let you board for that reason opens them up for a law suit on denial of service. And I advice you do so if it happens.

It's about time airlines are denied to function as a private police force. There is still the Human rights aspect of the freedom of travel, when you have complied with the existing regulations

[toastwars]

when you are citizen of the visa excempt countries, you only need to show your outbound ticket within the 30 days limit. You have then complied with all legel aspects of your travel. Refusal by the airline to let you board for that reason opens them up for a law suit on denial of service.  And I advice you do so if it happens.

It's about time airlines are denied to function as a private police force. There is still the Human rights aspect of the freedom of travel, when you have complied with the  existing  regulations 

I quite agree and I cannot understand how they could have a case even if no outbound ticket excists as like I said you can quite legaly cross any internal border and recive an additional 30 days upon your return as often as you like. English and european carriers have no such policy so maybe it is about time you all stood up for your rights as consumers and tell these busy bodies where to shove it, you are free men and should act as such, any buisiness acting this way in england would not be in buisiness for long

[chico]

when you are citizen of the visa excempt countries, you only need to show your outbound ticket within the 30 days limit. You have then complied with all legel aspects of your travel. Refusal by the airline to let you board for that reason opens them up for a law suit on denial of service.  And I advice you do so if it happens.

It's about time airlines are denied to function as a private police force. There is still the Human rights aspect of the freedom of travel, when you have complied with the  existing  regulations 

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I quite agree and I cannot understand how they could have a case even if no outbound ticket excists as like I said you can quite legaly cross any internal border and recive an additional 30 days upon your return as often as you like. English and european carriers have no such policy so maybe it is about time you all stood up for your rights as consumers and tell these busy bodies where to shove it, you are free men and should act as such, any buisiness acting this way in england would not be in buisiness for long

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

it would highly surprise me if british carriers had dropped that condition recently, as I can assure you by experience that a few years ago they did request an out- bound confirmed ticket from everybody flying to LOS without visa.

and sorry, i do not know, which european airlines you are talking about, but the main ones (which i have been using) are certainly requesting that confirmation, since they had been caught years ago by thai immi sending people without return- (outbound) ticket on the same plane back on the airlines expense!

with thai immi tightening up rpocedures, i cannot see the airlines loosening up theirs!

[lopburi3]

VISAS: Required by all except the following nationals for touristic stays of up to 30 days, provided they are hold valid passports and confirmed tickets to leave Thailand within 30 days:

(a) nationals of the countries referred to in the chart above (1. except the countries who joined the EU on May 1 2004, although this is likely to change in the near future - nationals of Cyprus, Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, Poland, Slovak Republic and Slovenia, who do require a visa);

( nationals of Bahrain, Brazil, Brunei, Hong Kong (SAR), Indonesia, Israel, Korea (Rep), Kuwait, Malaysia, New Zealand, Norway, Peru, The Philippines, Qatar, Singapore, South Africa, Switzerland, Turkey, United Arab Emirates and Vietnam.

© transit passengers continuing their journey within 12 hours, provided holding confirmed tickets and other documents for an onward journey and they do not leave the transit lounge.

Source: British Airways http://www.britishairways.com/travel/passp...prim=aboutjourn

[toastwars]

VISAS: Required by all except the following nationals for touristic stays of up to 30 days, provided they are hold valid passports and confirmed tickets to leave Thailand within 30 days:

(a) nationals of the countries referred to in the chart above (1. except the countries who joined the EU on May 1 2004, although this is likely to change in the near future - nationals of Cyprus, Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, Poland, Slovak Republic and Slovenia, who do require a visa);

( nationals of Bahrain, Brazil, Brunei, Hong Kong (SAR), Indonesia, Israel, Korea (Rep), Kuwait, Malaysia, New Zealand, Norway, Peru, The Philippines, Qatar, Singapore, South Africa, Switzerland, Turkey, United Arab Emirates and Vietnam.

© transit passengers continuing their journey within 12 hours, provided holding confirmed tickets and other documents for an onward journey and they do not leave the transit lounge.

Source: British Airways http://www.britishairways.com/travel/passp...prim=aboutjourn

No one said anything about not having a visa we are talking about a carrier refusing you a ride if you can get a visa on arrival.

[Krub]

This is what the website of the MOFA says. It seems that there is only a requirement for money and there is no mention of a return or onward air ticket

http://www.mfa.go.th/web/12.php#Tourist

TOURIST VISA EXEMPTION

- According to the Interior Ministerial Announcements dated 1 October B.E. 2545 (2002), 20 December B.E. 2545 (2002) and 18 October B.E. 2547 (2004) , passport holders from 39 countries and Hong Kong SAR do not require a visa when entering Thailand for tourism purposes if their stay in the Kingdom does not exceed 30 days.

- The applicant must possess instrument of means of living expenses 10,000 Baht per person and 20,000 Baht per family accordingly.

- Please also be advised that ordinary passport holders of 39 countries and Hong Kong who intend to engage in certain activities are eligible to apply for a visa when entering the Kingdom if their qualifications meet the conditions set forth by the Office of Immigration Bureau. For more information, please contact the Office of Immigration Bureau, Soi Suan Plu, off South Sathorn Road, Bangkok 10120, Tel. (662) 287-3101-10 or at website http://police.go.th

• List of 39 countries and one region is as follows:

1. Australia : Commonwealth of Australia

2. Austria : Republic of Austria

3. Belgium : Kingdom of Belgium

4. Brazil : Federative Republic of Brazil

5. Bahrain : State of Bahrain

6. Brunei Darussalam : Negara Brunei Darussalam

7. Canada

8. Denmark : Kingdom of Denmark

9. Finland : Republic of Finland

10. France : French Republic

11. Germany : Federal Republic of Germany

12. Greece : Hellenic Republic

13. Hong Kong : Hong Kong Special Administrative Region

14. Indonesia : Republic of Indonesia

15. Ireland : Republic of Ireland

16. Israel : State of Israel

17. Italy : Republic of Italy

18. Japan

19. Korea : Republic of Korea

20. Kuwait : State of Kuwait

21. Luxembourg : Grand Duchy of Luxembourg

22. Malaysia

23. Netherlands : Kingdom of the Netherlands

24. New Zealand

25. Norway : Kingdom of Norway

26. Oman : Sultanate of Oman

27. Peru : Republic of Peru

28. Philippines : Republic of the Philippines

29. Portugal : Republic of Portugal

30. Qatar : State of Qatar

31. Singapore : Republic of Singapore

32. Spain : Kingdom of Spain

33. South Africa : Republic of South Africa

34. Sweden : Kingdom of Sweden

35. Switzerland : Swiss Confederation

36. Turkey : Republic of Turkey

37. United Arab Emirates

38. United Kingdom : United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

39. United States of America

40. Vietnam : Socialist Republic of Vietnam

[chico]

VISAS: Required by all except the following nationals for touristic stays of up to 30 days, provided they are hold valid passports and confirmed tickets to leave Thailand within 30 days:

(a) nationals of the countries referred to in the chart above (1. except the countries who joined the EU on May 1 2004, although this is likely to change in the near future - nationals of Cyprus, Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, Poland, Slovak Republic and Slovenia, who do require a visa);

( nationals of Bahrain, Brazil, Brunei, Hong Kong (SAR), Indonesia, Israel, Korea (Rep), Kuwait, Malaysia, New Zealand, Norway, Peru, The Philippines, Qatar, Singapore, South Africa, Switzerland, Turkey, United Arab Emirates and Vietnam.

© transit passengers continuing their journey within 12 hours, provided holding confirmed tickets and other documents for an onward journey and they do not leave the transit lounge.

Source: British Airways http://www.britishairways.com/travel/passp...prim=aboutjourn

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

No one said anything about not having a visa we are talking about a carrier refusing you a ride if you can get a visa on arrival.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

sorry, just to explain you the basics :

30 days allowance to stay is for some countires only AND NOT A VISA!

you cannot get any visa in LOS on arrival, this you will have to get in any other country with an embassy or consulate!

[lopburi3]

VISAS: Required by all except the following nationals for touristic stays of up to 30 days, provided they are hold valid passports and confirmed tickets to leave Thailand within 30 days:

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Source: British Airways http://www.britishairways.com/travel/passp...prim=aboutjourn

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

No one said anything about not having a visa we are talking about a carrier refusing you a ride if you can get a visa on arrival.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

And that is exactly what my link is all about - if you have a return ticket within 30 days you do not require a visa. Otherwise you do. And FYI you do not get a visa on arrival in any case - you get 30 days stay without a visa.

[chico]

This is what the website of the MOFA says. It seems that there is only a requirement for money and there is no mention of a return or onward air ticket

http://www.mfa.go.th/web/12.php#Tourist

    TOURIST VISA EXEMPTION

          -  According to the Interior Ministerial Announcements dated 1 October B.E. 2545 (2002), 20 December B.E. 2545 (2002) and 18 October B.E. 2547 (2004) , passport holders from 39 countries and Hong Kong SAR do not require a visa when entering Thailand for tourism purposes if their stay in the Kingdom does not exceed 30 days.

          -  The applicant must possess instrument of means of living expenses 10,000 Baht per person and 20,000 Baht per family accordingly.

          -  Please also be advised that ordinary passport holders of 39 countries and Hong Kong who intend to engage in certain activities are eligible to apply for a visa when entering the Kingdom if their qualifications meet the conditions set forth by the Office of Immigration Bureau. For more information, please contact the Office of Immigration Bureau, Soi Suan Plu, off South Sathorn Road, Bangkok 10120, Tel. (662) 287-3101-10 or at website http://police.go.th

• List of 39 countries and one region is as follows:

 

1. Australia  :  Commonwealth of Australia

2. Austria  :  Republic of Austria

3. Belgium  :  Kingdom of Belgium

4. Brazil  :  Federative Republic of Brazil 

5. Bahrain  :  State of Bahrain

6. Brunei Darussalam  :  Negara Brunei  Darussalam

7. Canada

8. Denmark  :  Kingdom of Denmark

9. Finland  :  Republic of Finland

10. France  :  French Republic

11. Germany  :  Federal Republic  of Germany

12. Greece  :  Hellenic Republic

13. Hong Kong  :  Hong Kong Special Administrative Region

14. Indonesia  :  Republic of Indonesia

15. Ireland  :  Republic of Ireland

16. Israel  :  State of Israel

17. Italy  :  Republic of Italy

18. Japan

19. Korea  : Republic of Korea

20. Kuwait  :  State of Kuwait

21. Luxembourg :  Grand Duchy of Luxembourg

22. Malaysia

23. Netherlands :  Kingdom of the Netherlands

24. New Zealand 

25. Norway  :  Kingdom of Norway

26. Oman  :  Sultanate of Oman

27. Peru  : Republic of Peru

28. Philippines  :  Republic of the Philippines

29. Portugal  :  Republic of Portugal

30. Qatar  :  State of Qatar

31. Singapore  :  Republic of Singapore

32. Spain  :  Kingdom of Spain

33. South Africa :  Republic of South Africa

34. Sweden  :  Kingdom of Sweden

35. Switzerland :  Swiss Confederation

36. Turkey  :  Republic of Turkey

37. United Arab Emirates

38. United Kingdom :  United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

39. United States of America

40. Vietnam : Socialist Republic of Vietnam

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"if their stay in the kingdom does not exceed 30 days" - but this must be proven and the only accepted proof is the confirmed outbound ticket (maybe someone should tell them also that tickets can be changed? or maybe better not!!)

[Ken]

VISAS: Required by all except the following nationals for touristic stays of up to 30 days, provided they are hold valid passports and confirmed tickets to leave Thailand within 30 days....

Source: British Airways http://www.britishairways.com/travel/passp...prim=aboutjourn

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

No one said anything about not having a visa we are talking about a carrier refusing you a ride if you can get a visa on arrival.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Toastwars:

I think if you re-read "lopburi" quote from the British Airways site, you will see that it has the word "except" in there. So I believe it reads that if you do not have a Visa then you are expected to have a confirmed ticket to leave Thailand within 30 days.

How often is this requirement enforced, whether it's an Amercan Airline or a European airline, is probably the big question.

[ernieK24]

Hello,

I am think of risking this scenario.

Do you think it will work boarding a Northwest flight in the US.

Rountrip NW ticket lasting 70 days

Holding rountrip ticket Thailand to Singapore that shows leaving Thailand before 30 days, and staying in Thailand under 30 days for the second stay.

In other words, I can show evidence that I will not overstaying either one of two 30 day stamps.

The obvious point is to ask the airlines, but I am in Thailand now, and I am not sure I would really trust what some customer service person told me anyway.

I am wondering whether in the real world they would actually have the unmitigated GALL to stop me from boarding in this scenario. (And would it help that I have been en elite NW member for years?)

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[alohasiam]

I don't know why you Americans or Aussie worry so much about that airline will refuse boarding for not having the outgoing ticket. Is this an American or Aussie problem when they take their home carrier??

I have been in and out of Thailand so often for over 10 years. I did not know such problem until other members brought it up. I think who bring this up are mostly from USA or Australia. I have flown from Europe and Brazil on a return ticket back to Bangkok countless countless times on KLM, Lufthansa, Swiss Air, Air France, Scandinavian Airline, Emirates, Austrian Airlines ect ect and also countless visa runs by air of many different airlines from Bangkok to many nearby countries. But have never even once being asked about the outgoing tickets. I have started to wonder is this more of an American or Australian problem??

[astral]

your visa has nothing to do with the airlines, tell them to take a running jump if they do, that is between you and immigration, anyway see my edited post above, bit of cross comunication sorry

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

This is just not true.

The airline can be fined and required to repartiate you if you arrive here and do not have a vaild visa to enter the country,

so the airline DOES have a say in who they carry.

However in your case you should have no problem as you have the ticket for the side trip to Singapore.

If the airline does create problems at checkin, then ask to see the supervisor, or Station Manager.

[bartender100]

You do need a visa if you only have a oneway ticket.KLM always ask to see mine when flying oneway.

Once I was pulled up when flying one way to the phillipines from the US,they made me buy a ticket out in LA.

Its down to the airline,they are responsible.Anyone saying otherwise is giving bad advice.

If you are worried you could always go to Airasia web site and book the cheapest ticket out somewere,less than B1000,and show that.

[Axel]

Look at it from another angle. Anybody who wishes to visit Thailand does need a visa.

There is one exception. If you hold a p/port from one of the 41 countries listed you may enter without visa, i.e. you are excempted from needing one for tourism, only.

BTW, here is another rule for airlines who do not check your visa or return ticket:

Non-compliance with the visa regulations will result in:

- refusal and immediate deportation of passenger;

- fines for the airline of THB 20,000,-;

It does not mean that any airline staff will check all the documents all the time, neither does it mean that the immigration officer will do so. But IF...

In my own personal experience, travelling always to LoS on the last voucher of the ticket, ending in BKK and not showing my visa, I am queried in about 50% of the check ins by alert airline staff.