Non-imm B Visa Renewal

[Gonzo the Face]

For more than 10 years now, I have been going to Indo , annually , to visit friends and family. I usually time these visits just before it is time to renew my Non-Imm B Visa. The Thai Embassy and staff in Jakarta, could not be more pleasant and helpful.

Before going I always telephone and check to see if there are any new papers, forms or requirements to obtain a renewal of my Non-Imm B, Multiple Entry Visa'

This morning, in a telephone call to do just this, the news was very shocking. I was told that no Thai Embassy or Consulate could not issue a 1 year Non-Imm B visa any longer. They were all limited to 90 day, Non-Imm, Single Entry.

When I asked what were people in my position now doing, I was told that the Immigration Dept within Thailand, would issue a re entry permit. I was told that this was in place since the new Immigration Law passed and put into effect last November 2008.

Has anyone else run into a similar situation ? If so what did you do. What is this new thing [visa] called and how much does it cost.

Thanks

Gonzo

[ubonjoe]

The change that was made was for extensions of stay not visas.

I think it may be a new rule for the embassy not all conulates or embassies. Many nearby consulates will not issue them.

KL still issues multiple entry visas if you have a work permit valid for 1 year. Penang will issue them with a work permt but requires the company have 8 million in registered capital.

If you are working for a company and have a work permit you may qualify for a 1 year extension of stay.

Edit: You can only get a re-entry permit if you have an extension of stay. Or a visa entry permit to stay but it does not extend the permit to stay it only keeps the entry valid.

See 2.1 of this police order for info on an employment extension:police_order_2008.pdf

See these guidlines for 2.1 : guide_lines.pdf

[pit101]

This is very new! The re-entry permit is usualy issued that you can leave from the Kingdom and reenter as long as you permit to stay is.

[ubonjoe]

This is very new! The re-entry permit is usualy issued that you can leave from the Kingdom and reenter as long as you permit to stay is.

The topic is about visas not extensions of stay.

Nothing has changed for re-entry permits.

[pit101]

I know about the topic. The reason that I mentioned it is that:

When I asked what were people in my position now doing, I was told that the Immigration Dept within Thailand, would issue a re entry permit. I was told that this was in place since the new Immigration Law passed and put into effect last November 2008.

[lopburi3]

What the Embassy failed to mention, and probably does not even know, is that the person must first qualify for an extension of stay and obtain that extension of stay from Immigration. Which is impossible for many.

[ubonjoe]

I know about the topic. The reason that I mentioned it is that:

When I asked what were people in my position now doing, I was told that the Immigration Dept within Thailand, would issue a re entry permit. I was told that this was in place since the new Immigration Law passed and put into effect last November 2008.

Sorry

I think I might of been a little harsh in my post now that I have re-read it.

I just wanted to make sure that it was understood their had been no changes made to re-entry permits.

The OP was given some incorrect information. Embassies and consulates are notorious for doing that.

[Gonzo the Face]

We all may be saying/meaning the same thing, or we all may be saying/meaning something different. It all seems somewhat convoluted and muddy

I may be the most guilty of mudding up the waters. Heres what I am trying to decipher

Every year I have been getting a new 1 year , Non=Imm B, multiple Entry Visa.

I would like to do this again as I have been.

I have a work permit and have had for over the 13 years I have had this [my own] company. and have gotten a new N_I B, Visa, Multiple Entry, each of those years.

About 2 years agoThe labor department no longer had the Work Permit, dated to match the current visa, but made the work permit good for one year.

So currently my Non Imm B will expire on the 18th of this month and my work permit expiration date is February of next year.

EXTENSION:

I would interpret the term "extension" to mean , that if I have a VISA about to expire, I would be able to get someone [ Immigration Dept ?] to extemd it maybe for one year. This is hopeful, and if so obtained, in about 9 months time, I would go to the Labor Dept and show that I have 3 months remaining on my visa extension and would be issued a new one year WP.

In any event it would be an extension of the current N-I B visa, not a new visa. It is my understanding that any Visa Extensions, are issued within the Kingdom, without having to leave and reenter. This would be great as written , if it is that way.

Just trying to clear up the mud, Any input guys?

Gonzo

[lopburi3]

Yes that is how it works but you must have income for your nationality (50k per month for many) and your company must meet capital requirements. Below is the Immigration short list of requirements (which may not be current) to operate a business extension of stay. The full list can be found, using IE only: HERE

List of documents required for business purposes.

Application form (TM.7)

Copy of applicant’s passport

Certificate of employment prepared in accordance with the form prescribed by the Immigration Bureau (Sor.Tor.Mor.1)

- A table showing the numbers of all foreigners employed by the company, also their salary on monthly and annually basis, and their total salary, is additionally required.

Copy of work permit

Proof of corporate registration e.g. certificate of incorporation of company or partnership certified by the Registrar with validity for 6 months

Copy of list of shareholders certified by the Registrar with validity for 6 months

Copy of latest balance sheet and income statement certified by the Revenue Dept. or Business Development Dept. or the Auditor or original documents only

Copy of latest monthly withholding tax return showing the name of employees and the alien applicant, together with receipt (or an explanatory letter)

Copy of latest personal income tax return of the applicant, together with receipt (or an explanatory letter)

Copy of latest monthly social security contributions return filed with the Social Security Office (Form Sor.Por.Sor. 1-10)

Proof of the need of the business to employ the alien e.g. no Thai candidate has applied after advertising such a position

Location map of the place of work

Other supporting documents required by the competent authority (Sor.Tor.Mor.2)

Photographs showing the location of the business a. Exterior photographs showing the address and the sign of company name b. Interior photographs showing the employee while working

Original documents of Nos. 5,6,7,8,9 and 10 must be provided.

In case the applicant are accompanied by the family member, proof of family relationship e.g. marriage certificate, birth certificate of their children must be provided. If these documents were issued by a foreign government, they must be certified by such foreign embassy.

[ubonjoe]

You would not extend your visa. You would be extending the current permit to stay that you have now. The one year extension would start on your curent permit to stay date.

If you go to immigration with all the required documents and your company meets the requirements of 2.1 and the guidlines that I provided a download link for then you can get a one year extension of stay.

The extension costs 1900 baht.

It would mean no more border runs every 90 days.

[Gonzo the Face]

You would not extend your visa. You would be extending the current permit to stay that you have now. The one year extension would start on your curent permit to stay date.

If you go to immigration with all the required documents and your company meets the requirements of 2.1 and the guidlines that I provided a download link for then you can get a one year extension of stay.

The extension costs 1900 baht.

It would mean no more border runs every 90 days.

Many thanks Ubonjoe

but please define "permit to stay"

Is that the date stamped at time/date of last entry. [ in the passport and on the TM Entry/Departure card ] If so is the date entered or date of depart by ?

Thanks

[lopburi3]

Yes it is the immigration stamp you get on arrival or after an extension of stay. It gives the date you are permitted to stay until (depart by).

[pit101]

The visa is just the permit to enter the Kingdom. E.g. if it is a single entry visa it is expired just at this time (a multiple typ expires at the day: Enter before). The immigration then gives you the permit to stay as a stamp in your PP. It shows the day on that you have to leave!

[ubonjoe]

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[Mario2008]

The visa is just the permit to enter the Kingdom. E.g. if it is a single entry visa it is expired just at this time (a multiple typ expires at the day: Enter before). The immigration then gives you the permit to stay as a stamp in your PP. It shows the day on that you have to leave!

No, a visa is not a permit to enter. A visa is a permit to come to Thailand and ask for permission to enter and stay. This permission, in the form of a stamp in your passport, is something separate and can be denied wether you have a visa or not.

[pit101]

No, a visa is not a permit to enter. A visa is a permit to come to Thailand and ask for permission to enter and stay.

Mario2008,

one question. What is the difference between

No, a visa is not a permit to enter. A visa is a permit to come to Thailand

?

If you come to thailand then you have it entered already. Isn't it?

May be that my English is not the same like yours. Sorry but I don't understand the difference!

[Mario2008]

At immigration you are just at the door of Thailand and haven't legaly entered Thailand yet. They can and will deny you entry if they think it is necesarry.

More info about what a visa is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_(document)

[pit101]

At immigration you are just at the door of Thailand

Thanks, on that I agree!

But let us not go into details of that in this thread. Better we can help Gonzo to unsqrew his problem!

[Gonzo the Face]

The change that was made was for extensions of stay not visas.

I think it may be a new rule for the embassy not all conulates or embassies. Many nearby consulates will not issue them.

KL still issues multiple entry visas if you have a work permit valid for 1 year. Penang will issue them with a work permt but requires the company have 8 million in registered capital.

If you are working for a company and have a work permit you may qualify for a 1 year extension of stay.

Edit: You can only get a re-entry permit if you have an extension of stay. Or a visa entry permit to stay but it does not extend the permit to stay it only keeps the entry valid.

See 2.1 of this police order for info on an employment extension:police_order_2008.pdf

See these guidlines for 2.1 : guide_lines.pdf

Ubonjoe have you, or has anyother member for that matter, used the Thai Embassy Visa Section in KL , RECENTLY. I would like to give them a call, come Monday, and see if they still do and how long it would take. Like put in one morning and pick up the next afternoon or the next morn. Also can anyone recommend a good hotel close to the Thai Embassy. Looking to renew my Non Imm B, for 1 year multiple entry.

Thanks

Gonzo

[Mario2008]

Look here for the latest reports on getting a visa in neighbouring countries:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Latest-Repor...on-t189375.html

[Gonzo the Face]

Look here for the latest reports on getting a visa in neighbouring countries:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Latest-Repor...on-t189375.html

Thanks Mario2008

I reviewed the KL links for Non IMM . B , Multiple and all looked good until the end of the year..... The last poster said he was turned down.

Any member out there who has recei;ved a Non Imm B, Multiple , 1 Yr, please write and tell when that was..... I am trying to determine if it is still possible to get one..... I do have a WP with a little more than 9 mos life remaining.... or have all Embassy and Consulate rules been changed

Thaniks

Gonzo

[Mario2008]

This is another report:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Non-1year-Ku...It-t198265.html

Edit:

Sorry, just saw you already read it.

[ubonjoe]

I suggest you send an email to the embassy and inquire about getting your visa.

Contact info here: http://www.mfa.go.th/web/1321.php?depid=220

Info is near the bottom of the page. Don't bother looking for any other info on the website because it is wrong or out of date.

[ubonjoe]

I can confirm that the WP and permission to stay no longer have to be in sync. I have a small company in Phuket and for me in the past they always used to be (3 month WP's) but starting this year i was issued a 2 year WP. I went last week to KL to get a new 1 year visa, everything went smoothly.

The above post is some good news for the OP.

[asiawatcher]

If you are on a Non Immigrant B Visa and have a Work Permit or a spouse you do NOT have to leave the Kingdom to renew. You attend the Immigration Office, first step is they extend you 30 days (so they can extract another 1900 Baht), then you provide paper work (of course), they consider your application - and that takes another extension and another 1900 Baht, then usually you are simply stamped again as multiple entry, and you are done - I have been here 9 years and have not had to renew offshore.

As long as you have a legitimate reason to be here and you comply - you have no issues. The only hassle you have if you have a work permit - they will never correlate the dates between the Non Imm B and the WP. So the usually gain an extra month (claw back) from you this way so a 12 month less the two months usually gets you a 9 month Non Imm B stamp. Go figure - T.I.T.

[asiawatcher]

If you are on a Non Immigrant B Visa and have a Work Permit or a spouse you do NOT have to leave the Kingdom to renew. You attend the Immigration Office, first step is they extend you 30 days (so they can extract another 1900 Baht), then you provide paper work (of course), they consider your application - and that takes another extension and another 1900 Baht, then usually you are simply stamped again as multiple entry, and you are done - I have been here 9 years and have not had to renew offshore.

As long as you have a legitimate reason to be here and you comply - you have no issues. The only hassle you have if you have a work permit - they will never correlate the dates between the Non Imm B and the WP. So the usually gain an extra month (claw back) from you this way so a 12 month less the two months usually gets you a 9 month Non Imm B stamp. Go figure - T.I.T.

As a footnote to the above - if you qualify as an APEC Card Member - go to APEC applications on line - send that off and for about USD150 you get a 3 year card. You then need to be offshore to apply for the Non Imm B Visa but that is is then geared to your card i.e. you get 3 years Non Imm. You must leave Thailand every 90 days of course as this is a non work visa - but it is multiple entry. The other god thing is you get to go thru the diplomatic lanes or APEC lanes at airports, you do not need Visas for places like China or Vietnam if you are travelling there (as well as 16 other countries and you can also zip down the diplomats lane in the US - a huge bonus.

APEC Cards are the cheapest version of a 'consultant' getting a visa to come and go as many times as you like without having to make application to re-enter the Kingdom. Great little quirk.

[lopburi3]

You must meet the conditions to obtain an extension of stay and many people can not do that.

I have never heard of two extensions - you pay one time and get a 30 day under review and at the end of that, or how many under reviews are required you get the full year extension of stay - you do not have to pay again. Are you saying Bangkok requires you to pay for two extension of stay each year? Are you doing this yourself or is someone telling you this?

[asiawatcher]

You must meet the conditions to obtain an extension of stay and many people can not do that.

I have never heard of two extensions - you pay one time and get a 30 day under review and at the end of that, or how many under reviews are required you get the full year extension of stay - you do not have to pay again. Are you saying Bangkok requires you to pay for two extension of stay each year? Are you doing this yourself or is someone telling you this?

You may not have heard of two extensions but I have experienced them every year for 9 years. Hear of - or experiencing them is two different things and yes - I attend with my company papers, details of income to Thailand VAT and Revenue Certificates. The excuse is always (without exception) we have not had time to process - they scam me again for another 1900 Baht. And yes, you do have to pay again. I am sure with Non Imm O things are different but whilst I have the right to apply for that, the B Visa is far more workable. Please note - They are also saying now that if you run a business and do not make more than Baht 1M net, they will not justify renewing the Non Imm B Visa so that means if you have been working net after Tax and living out of your company as we do- a company profit below 1M Baht, then you are likely to get knocked back. Just be aware of that. You can of course present any figures you like as long as it has an accountants stamp on the papers and a Thai signature - their butts are covered thus they can approve.

[ubonjoe]

You may not have heard of two extensions but I have experienced them every year for 9 years. Hear of - or experiencing them is two different things and yes - I attend with my company papers, details of income to Thailand VAT and Revenue Certificates. The excuse is always (without exception) we have not had time to process - they scam me again for another 1900 Baht. And yes, you do have to pay again. I am sure with Non Imm O things are different but whilst I have the right to apply for that, the B Visa is far more workable. Please note - They are also saying now that if you run a business and do not make more than Baht 1M net, they will not justify renewing the Non Imm B Visa so that means if you have been working net after Tax and living out of your company as we do- a company profit below 1M Baht, then you are likely to get knocked back. Just be aware of that. You can of course present any figures you like as long as it has an accountants stamp on the papers and a Thai signature - their butts are covered thus they can approve.

Their should be no additional charge if they give you a stamp that tells you to come back in 30 days. If they are actually giving you an extension then you need to pay the additional 1900 baht.

You mention a non-o. I can't see that being anywhere near the same problem. If you are married to a Thai the extension is not that hard to get. To prove your income of 40K per month you only need to show 3 months of tax payments (PNR 1) and/or your annual tax return and your work permti. You would have the 30 day wait but you do not have to pay for it. You can even show 400K baht in the bank for 2 months and not have to show anything but a letter from the bank and your bank book. Plus a few other things to prove you are married and living together.

[winsorooi]

If you are on a Non Immigrant B Visa and have a Work Permit or a spouse you do NOT have to leave the Kingdom to renew. You attend the Immigration Office, first step is they extend you 30 days (so they can extract another 1900 Baht), then you provide paper work (of course), they consider your application - and that takes another extension and another 1900 Baht, then usually you are simply stamped again as multiple entry, and you are done - I have been here 9 years and have not had to renew offshore.

As long as you have a legitimate reason to be here and you comply - you have no issues. The only hassle you have if you have a work permit - they will never correlate the dates between the Non Imm B and the WP. So the usually gain an extra month (claw back) from you this way so a 12 month less the two months usually gets you a 9 month Non Imm B stamp. Go figure - T.I.T.

What type of paper works do you usually supply to them? How many % of ordinary shares do you own in your Thai company? How many Thai employees do you employ? How much was the paid up capital?