A Meta-comment On The 'reading Thread Kindly And Thoughtfully Started By Khun Mapguy

[orang37]

Sawasdee Khrup, TV Friends,

Why am I not posting this on the 'Reading thread (which I think is a fine example of Khun Mapguy's thoughtfulness in starting interesting open-ended threads) ?

Well, because I do think it's OT for the 'Reading thread.

Now the noose is aound my neck, and I hand you the rope, and you have the advantage of "gravity" on me : so here it is :

I hypothesize that there is a certain principle at work here on TV whose outcome (not origin, not cause) is that a given topic will converge, over time, on night-life, rent-a-sex, violence, and ventilation of various degrees of angst, weltenshmertz, schaudenfreude, self-pity, whinging, and all other forms of "it bothers me." To be fair I should also indict myself (and all others here whose human form may be controlled by a soul from another species) for verbal behavior that is glossolalic, fugal, tourettian, obfuscatory, and sublime

I'd like to propose this principle be named "testosterobathetic entropy."

"What ?" my psychic powers are hearing you say now, as you read this : do I imply, you are thinking, that this is a disease, a virus, an infection, a wound, a plague, an outcome of some peculiarly male human biological genetic inheritance ?

And I regret that my communications with my human host have broken down recently over some mis-understandings around fruit and vegetables (the idiot refuses to eat them), so that I am unable to reply effectively to these concerns of yours registering on me now via telepathic empathy.

But, setting aside, if we may, the question of origin, cause, and side-effects of, this proposed hypothetical : what if :

A poster could start a thread here : for example, "books on northern Thai History." And in that thread the OP could maintain some moderating rights ?

I ask you, whether or not you find any value in the idea of "testosterobathetic entropy," whether having an OP being able to somewhat manage a thread they started would result in the "growth" of threads on TV that had enduring value ?

regards, ~o:37;

Edited June 4, 2009 by orang37

[CLASBYCLAN]

Yawn! Can't bear it when people get drunk and think they're Stephen Hawking!

[orang37]

Yawn! Can't bear it when people get drunk and think they're Stephen Hawking!

Sawasdee Khrup, Khun Nornsabaidee Portwahmaimeekhitary,

My farang has had two liters of Mother Kali's breast-milk (soy milk) today, but he does not drink alcohol, ever. Whether he's drunk or not I am unable to judge because he's always moving from one state of mind to another; he claims that's part of his "human nature." From an Orang point of view : that way lies madness.

Lap dee, fun dee, Khrup.

~o:37;

Edited June 4, 2009 by orang37

[mnbcm]

What?

[eek]

Personally I think its too easy for people to be tempted to abuse moderation rights, even on their own threads. Would probably end up producing more "testosterobathetic entropious"(sp?) style posts where the poster becomes outraged at their post having being moderated ..and so, go on and on and on and on, endlessly flaming the OP and defeating the original purpose of a non-testosterobathetic entropic fueled thread.

[anonymouse]

Sawasdee Khrup, TV Friends,

Why am I not posting this on the 'Reading thread (which I think is a fine example of Khun Mapguy's thoughtfulness in starting interesting open-ended threads) ?

Well, because I do think it's OT for the 'Reading thread.

Now the noose is aound my neck, and I hand you the rope, and you have the advantage of "gravity" on me : so here it is :

I hypothesize that there is a certain principle at work here on TV whose outcome (not origin, not cause) is that a given topic will converge, over time, on night-life, rent-a-sex, violence, and ventilation of various degrees of angst, weltenshmertz, schaudenfreude, self-pity, whinging, and all other forms of "it bothers me." To be fair I should also indict myself (and all others here whose human form may be controlled by a soul from another species) for verbal behavior that is glossolalic, fugal, tourettian, obfuscatory, and sublime

I'd like to propose this principle be named "testosterobathetic entropy."

"What ?" my psychic powers are hearing you say now, as you read this : do I imply, you are thinking, that this is a disease, a virus, an infection, a wound, a plague, an outcome of some peculiarly male human biological genetic inheritance ?

And I regret that my communications with my human host have broken down recently over some mis-understandings around fruit and vegetables (the idiot refuses to eat them), so that I am unable to reply effectively to these concerns of yours registering on me now via telepathic empathy.

But, setting aside, if we may, the question of origin, cause, and side-effects of, this proposed hypothetical : what if :

A poster could start a thread here : for example, "books on northern Thai History." And in that thread the OP could maintain some moderating rights ?

I ask you, whether or not you find any value in the idea of "testosterobathetic entropy," whether having an OP being able to somewhat manage a thread they started would result in the "growth" of threads on TV that had enduring value ?

regards, ~o:37;

Ignoring all the rest of the thread and cutting to the chase;

'A poster could start a thread here : for example, "books on northern Thai History." And in that thread the OP could maintain some moderating rights ?'

I can't see it working, for instance certain posters on this forum have various levels of animosity against each other if the OP has some grievance against someone posting on his topic he could easily delete valid posts just for the spite of it.

[orang37]

What?

Sawasdee Khrup, Khun Mnbcm,

Why ?

best, ~o:37;

[orang37]

Personally I think its too easy for people to be tempted to abuse moderation rights, even on their own threads. Would probably end up producing more "testosterobathetic entropious"(sp?) style posts where the poster becomes outraged at their post having being moderated ..and so, go on and on and on and on, endlessly flaming the OP and defeating the original purpose of a non-testosterobathetic entropic fueled thread.

Sawasdee Khrup, Khun Eek,

I think I see your point : you could have an entropic infinite regression of non-linear testostorobathetic censorship which could mutate.

But in this hypothetical "limited moderatorship" of an OP, the OP would be able to suppress what they judged as flames on their OP. But, if I read your right, you are implying that this could generate countless other OP's denigrating the choices of the OP to suppress another's comments.

So perhaps it would only be fair that every "special thread" of this type would have a "parallel" thread containing those comments the OP had suppressed which would then allow all those suppressed to "gang up" on the OP and hire a Mor Phii to curse them.

There are so many wonderful ideas here, I am putting on dark glasses now.

best, ~o:37;

[Rasseru]

Sawasdee Khrup, Khun o:37

I would like to say that I love your idea.

And that is all I wish to say at this time.

Rasseru

[anonymouse]

Sawasdee Khrup, TV Friends,

Why am I not posting this on the 'Reading thread (which I think is a fine example of Khun Mapguy's thoughtfulness in starting interesting open-ended threads) ?

Well, because I do think it's OT for the 'Reading thread.

Now the noose is aound my neck, and I hand you the rope, and you have the advantage of "gravity" on me : so here it is :

I hypothesize that there is a certain principle at work here on TV whose outcome (not origin, not cause) is that a given topic will converge, over time, on night-life, rent-a-sex, violence, and ventilation of various degrees of angst, weltenshmertz, schaudenfreude, self-pity, whinging, and all other forms of "it bothers me." To be fair I should also indict myself (and all others here whose human form may be controlled by a soul from another species) for verbal behavior that is glossolalic, fugal, tourettian, obfuscatory, and sublime

I'd like to propose this principle be named "testosterobathetic entropy."

"What ?" my psychic powers are hearing you say now, as you read this : do I imply, you are thinking, that this is a disease, a virus, an infection, a wound, a plague, an outcome of some peculiarly male human biological genetic inheritance ?

And I regret that my communications with my human host have broken down recently over some mis-understandings around fruit and vegetables (the idiot refuses to eat them), so that I am unable to reply effectively to these concerns of yours registering on me now via telepathic empathy.

But, setting aside, if we may, the question of origin, cause, and side-effects of, this proposed hypothetical : what if :

A poster could start a thread here : for example, "books on northern Thai History." And in that thread the OP could maintain some moderating rights ?

I ask you, whether or not you find any value in the idea of "testosterobathetic entropy," whether having an OP being able to somewhat manage a thread they started would result in the "growth" of threads on TV that had enduring value ?

regards, ~o:37;

And another thing , I keep on seeing certain posters complaining

'that there is a certain principle at work here on TV whose outcome (not origin, not cause) is that a given topic will converge, over time, on night-life, rent-a-sex'

but I really don't see it happening, the reading in CM topic seems to be on course at the moment if that is what Mr Orang is refering to?

Saying that does anyone no the best girlie bars to go to at the moment............nudge,nudge wink, wink A nod's as good as a wink to a blind bat, eh?

[orang37]

... snip ... Ignoring all the rest of the thread and cutting to the chase; ... snip ... I can't see it working, for instance certain posters on this forum have various levels of animosity against each other if the OP has some grievance against someone posting on his topic he could easily delete valid posts just for the spite of it.

Sawasdee Khrup, Khun Anonymouse,

Thanks for "cutting to the chase," and seeing there was a somewhat "real" idea embedded in the verbiage !

Any new idea is vulnerable to the worst aspects of human behavior ? But should hypothetical "worst cases" be a criterion ? I'm not sure on this one myselves.

Let's say that "LannaIsForLannans" starts a thread on Lanna Thai history, emphasizing the continuity and uniqueness of Lanna history, and somebody feels they are leaving out the enormous Burmese contribution to every aspect of Lanna culture, law, etc. (Chiang Mai was a colony of Burma for two-hundred years, and by the end of the 1700's of the Christian calendear was actually de-populated, streets overgrown by jungles, temples fallen down, and roamed by wild tigers). So "LannaIsFullOfBurma" posts on LannaForLannans thread, and has all her contributions deleted.

So, then LannaIsFullOfBurma can, of course, endessly flame LannaIsForLannans, and LannaIsForLannans can endlessly flame back at LannaIsFullOfBurma. Well, this already happens !

Or, I'd like to think that LannaIsFullOfBurma could start their very own thread on Burmese contributions to Lanna history and why they are generally ignored.

As Ur-Orang once said in the public Melon One teachings : "Is the mind half-empty or half-full is a good question to ask when the mind is thirsty."

regards, ~o:37;

[harrry]

I have a feeling that your human may be in grave danger if he starts moderating peoples post on his thread. Of course once it is out in the peoples domain it ceases to be his thread, just as children stop being yours to contol once they leave the womb.

[anonymouse]

... snip ... Ignoring all the rest of the thread and cutting to the chase; ... snip ... I can't see it working, for instance certain posters on this forum have various levels of animosity against each other if the OP has some grievance against someone posting on his topic he could easily delete valid posts just for the spite of it.

Sawasdee Khrup, Khun Anonymouse,

Thanks for "cutting to the chase," and seeing there was a somewhat "real" idea embedded in the verbiage !

Any new idea is vulnerable to the worst aspects of human behavior ? But should hypothetical "worst cases" be a criterion ? I'm not sure on this one myselves.

Let's say that "LannaIsForLannans" starts a thread on Lanna Thai history, emphasizing the continuity and uniqueness of Lanna history, and somebody feels they are leaving out the enormous Burmese contribution to every aspect of Lanna culture, law, etc. (Chiang Mai was a colony of Burma for two-hundred years, and by the end of the 1700's of the Christian calendear was actually de-populated, streets overgrown by jungles, temples fallen down, and roamed by wild tigers). So "LannaIsFullOfBurma" posts on LannaForLannans thread, and has all her contributions deleted.

So, then LannaIsFullOfBurma can, of course, endessly flame LannaIsForLannans, and LannaIsForLannans can endlessly flame back at LannaIsFullOfBurma. Well, this already happens !

Or, I'd like to think that LannaIsFullOfBurma could start their very own thread on Burmese contributions to Lanna history and why they are generally ignored.

As Ur-Orang once said in the public Melon One teachings : "Is the mind half-empty or half-full is a good question to ask when the mind is thirsty."

regards, ~o:37;

I see your point but still can't see it working; will there be a limit to the amount of sub-threads? I remember seeing something like this before on another unrelated forum and you had this huge sort of tree with branches coming off it which left me baffled what to read next....but maybe I'm just adverse to change.

[Ulysses G.]

I can't see it working, for instance certain posters on this forum have various levels of animosity against each other if the OP has some grievance against someone posting on his topic he could easily delete valid posts just for the spite of it.

I am with anonymouse and eek on this, but the truth is that there is nothing wrong with the "Reading" thread in question anyway.

Some posters - including myself - rebelled a little at Mapguy's strict rules on what could be posted about books, but pretty much everyone kept discussing books that they enjoy (and most of them were about Thailand or the general area) and that seems to be the real purpose of a "Reading" thread.

I was happy to see anonymouse's two John Ralston Saul suggestions as I had read one and forgotten about it over time and did not realize that the other was partially set in Chiang Mai.

We got a little side tracked when the OP - Mapguy - started talking about where to get free books and such, but we just added that to the discussion and kept talking about books.

I really do not understand that there is any problem with that thread- at all. It would seem to me to be an especially helpful, positive one.

[orang37]

... snip ... there is nothing wrong with the "Reading" thread ... snip ... I really do not understand that there is any problem with that thread- at all. It would seem to me to be an especially helpful, positive one.

Sawadee Khrup, Khun Ulysses,

I did not mean to impugn or indict the responses on the 'Reading thread, or the posters, although I can see it is a very reasonable assumption to make that I might have had that intention. I apologize to all the posters on that thread (and all those deceased posters who are now somewhere else and are posting to me telepahtically) for any "negativity" I may have inadvertently conveyed !

May I note, however, that we do not know (because no notice is given of what specific posts have been removed by moderators) : how many over-the-top flames, pictures of human remains, fish, crocodiles, specific phone-numbers of escort-services, or comments on how this week's lunch at fill-in-your-favorite-restaurant-name-here was a bummer, have been posted, then deleted.

This was more an idea in the "total context" of watching the subversion of many fairly serious OP's over time on TV.

I personally have no interest in what I call "bar girl lit," and if I started a reading thread on Lanna History, with detailed reviews of scholarly books (and books aimed at a "popular" audience), which I am not likely to do given what I observe happen to serious threads here, I wouldn't want the take the chance it would be diverted by the usual numbskulls (Khun Ulysses, of course, never being included in any sub-category of "numb" or "usual").

As Ur-Orang once said in the public Melon One teachings : "absent the aphrodisiac of fermented fruit, and available mates, try silence."

best, ~o:37;

[Thakkar]

Sawasdee Khrup, TV Friends,

Why am I not posting this on the 'Reading thread (which I think is a fine example of Khun Mapguy's thoughtfulness in starting interesting open-ended threads) ?

Well, because I do think it's OT for the 'Reading thread.

Now the noose is aound my neck, and I hand you the rope, and you have the advantage of "gravity" on me : so here it is :

I hypothesize that there is a certain principle at work here on TV whose outcome (not origin, not cause) is that a given topic will converge, over time, on night-life, rent-a-sex, violence, and ventilation of various degrees of angst, weltenshmertz, schaudenfreude, self-pity, whinging, and all other forms of "it bothers me." To be fair I should also indict myself (and all others here whose human form may be controlled by a soul from another species) for verbal behavior that is glossolalic, fugal, tourettian, obfuscatory, and sublime

I'd like to propose this principle be named "testosterobathetic entropy."

"What ?" my psychic powers are hearing you say now, as you read this : do I imply, you are thinking, that this is a disease, a virus, an infection, a wound, a plague, an outcome of some peculiarly male human biological genetic inheritance ?

And I regret that my communications with my human host have broken down recently over some mis-understandings around fruit and vegetables (the idiot refuses to eat them), so that I am unable to reply effectively to these concerns of yours registering on me now via telepathic empathy.

But, setting aside, if we may, the question of origin, cause, and side-effects of, this proposed hypothetical : what if :

A poster could start a thread here : for example, "books on northern Thai History." And in that thread the OP could maintain some moderating rights ?

I ask you, whether or not you find any value in the idea of "testosterobathetic entropy," whether having an OP being able to somewhat manage a thread they started would result in the "growth" of threads on TV that had enduring value ?

regards, ~o:37;

Why write a tome when a novella will suffice? Because inflicting annoyance on those too easily annoyed can be a fun sport? Surely you are above that Khun Orang?

Personally I enjoy the spectacle of people going: "huh?"—albeit only on slow days.

Your suggestion (which in short is: OP's should have some moderating privileges—see, that wasn't so hard) has some merit, but only on first blush. Having considered it, I foresee such a system could actually lead to more mayhem, not less.

Besides, digression may—though often doesn't in these forums—lead one to delightful and unexpected vistas of beauty and wisdom. You of all people surely appreciate the tantalizing possibilities, rare though they may be.

oh, and by the way, which bar hosts the best go-go dancers these days?

[Ulysses G.]

Khun Orange shine, I get what you are saying, but the OP - and anyone else who has a problem with a post - already have a button to alert the moderators of any violations of the rules or veering from the original spirit of the thread.

I know that there are still problems, but - in my opinion - making the OP a part-time moderator would only add to those problems, not help the situation.

[orang37]

Sawasdee Khrup, TV Friends,

If I may make a single reply to the interesting points raised by Khuns Eek, Thakkar, and Ulysses : in putting forward an idea like this I hoped to raise the idea for consideration, and I thank you for considering the idea !

That for myselves, what I observe on TV leads me not to post more serious topics, is my own choice, and that choice may change. This comes not from any sense of "condescension," but more from the point of view of a "gardener" who chooses fertile soil for a certain type of seed, or chooses a piece of land with a fence around it to protect it from the rooting of wild hogs

Let me ask you, this, however (in case you still have any fresh fruit on hand) : what if a certain topic could be voted on by members, and if a certain number of votes were cast in favor of this topic being "valued" in some particular way, then the OP would have some moderation rights ? Agreed, an unlikely scenario, but, once again, just a "thought experiment."

Right now the moderators operate as "ghosts" removing posts with no notice to the person whose post is removed; that doesn't bother me, nor does coming across a "thread closed" notice. I thank the moderators for their time and energy in what I think is a pretty "thankless" voluntary effort.

By the way, Khun Thakkar : anyone who is ever "annoyed" by any of my posts is free to respond publicly, or by PM, and hoist me on my petard to as high an altitude as they can : but I can and will disregard anyone who implies that they speak for other people who they imagine are annoyed. As far as saying "Huh ?" "Huh ?" is one of the most important mantras associated with the initiation into the Public Melon Two teachings of Ur-Orang. I bless the lotus feet of anyone who says "Huh ?"

Notice I said : "if."

Huh ?, ~o:37;

[Ulysses G.]

Let me ask you, this, however (in case you still have any fresh fruit on hand) : what if a certain topic could be voted on by members, and if a certain number of votes were cast in favor of this topic being "valued" in some particular way, then the OP would have some moderation rights ?

I do not mean any disrespect to Khun Orange, but I still do not see the point. I vote NO.

[anonymouse]

Sawasdee Khrup, TV Friends,

If I may make a single reply to the interesting points raised by Khuns Eek, Thakkar, and Ulysses : in putting forward an idea like this I hoped to raise the idea for consideration, and I thank you for considering the idea !

That for myselves, what I observe on TV leads me not to post more serious topics, is my own choice, and that choice may change. This comes not from any sense of "condescension," but more from the point of view of a "gardener" who chooses fertile soil for a certain type of seed, or chooses a piece of land with a fence around it to protect it from the rooting of wild hogs

Let me ask you, this, however (in case you still have any fresh fruit on hand) : what if a certain topic could be voted on by members, and if a certain number of votes were cast in favor of this topic being "valued" in some particular way, then the OP would have some moderation rights ? Agreed, an unlikely scenario, but, once again, just a "thought experiment."

Right now the moderators operate as "ghosts" removing posts with no notice to the person whose post is removed; that doesn't bother me, nor does coming across a "thread closed" notice. I thank the moderators for their time and energy in what I think is a pretty "thankless" voluntary effort.

By the way, Khun Thakkar : anyone who is ever "annoyed" by any of my posts is free to respond publicly, or by PM, and hoist me on my petard to as high an altitude as they can : but I can and will disregard anyone who implies that they speak for other people who they imagine are annoyed. As far as saying "Huh ?" "Huh ?" is one of the most important mantras associated with the initiation into the Public Melon Two teachings of Ur-Orang. I bless the lotus feet of anyone who says "Huh ?"

Notice I said : "if."

Huh ?, ~o:37;

If it was adopted for the CM forum it would have to be done in all the forums.

Why not post in the general topics forum and put it to the vote......probably in a less verbose and more concise fashion

[Rasseru]

I am with anonymouse and eek on this. . . .

A rare moment to treasure, when Ulysses G. is anonymous and meek.

[Ulysses G.]

Did it really take almost 3 hours to come up with that?

[gatorhead333]

Sawasdee Khrup, TV Friends,

Why am I not posting this on the 'Reading thread (which I think is a fine example of Khun Mapguy's thoughtfulness in starting interesting open-ended threads) ?

Well, because I do think it's OT for the 'Reading thread.

Now the noose is aound my neck, and I hand you the rope, and you have the advantage of "gravity" on me : so here it is :

I hypothesize that there is a certain principle at work here on TV whose outcome (not origin, not cause) is that a given topic will converge, over time, on night-life, rent-a-sex, violence, and ventilation of various degrees of angst, weltenshmertz, schaudenfreude, self-pity, whinging, and all other forms of "it bothers me." To be fair I should also indict myself (and all others here whose human form may be controlled by a soul from another species) for verbal behavior that is glossolalic, fugal, tourettian, obfuscatory, and sublime

I'd like to propose this principle be named "testosterobathetic entropy."

"What ?" my psychic powers are hearing you say now, as you read this : do I imply, you are thinking, that this is a disease, a virus, an infection, a wound, a plague, an outcome of some peculiarly male human biological genetic inheritance ?

And I regret that my communications with my human host have broken down recently over some mis-understandings around fruit and vegetables (the idiot refuses to eat them), so that I am unable to reply effectively to these concerns of yours registering on me now via telepathic empathy.

But, setting aside, if we may, the question of origin, cause, and side-effects of, this proposed hypothetical : what if :

A poster could start a thread here : for example, "books on northern Thai History." And in that thread the OP could maintain some moderating rights ?

I ask you, whether or not you find any value in the idea of "testosterobathetic entropy," whether having an OP being able to somewhat manage a thread they started would result in the "growth" of threads on TV that had enduring value ?

regards, ~o:37;

Why write a tome when a novella will suffice? Because inflicting annoyance on those too easily annoyed can be a fun sport? Surely you are above that Khun Orang?

Personally I enjoy the spectacle of people going: "huh?"—albeit only on slow days.

Your suggestion (which in short is: OP's should have some moderating privileges—see, that wasn't so hard) has some merit, but only on first blush. Having considered it, I foresee such a system could actually lead to more mayhem, not less.

Besides, digression may—though often doesn't in these forums—lead one to delightful and unexpected vistas of beauty and wisdom. You of all people surely appreciate the tantalizing possibilities, rare though they may be.

oh, and by the way, which bar hosts the best go-go dancers these days?

Huh?...hey o.k. simple! have a childrens section for moderators to moderate to the bone post,then a PG17 so if you go there you may hear see some things not for the timid..with only complete filth an vulgarities being removed but a place/a way to retrive the filth if interested.

then have X rated CM B.S. which one would sign a waver form created by someone somewhere for everybody that wants to be in real true CM trash ,simple CM filth peppered with blantant lies that has no mods at all ,maybe make it a pay site....

float this down the river see where it goes...

HUH? .... Now we have something to discuss that has truth, meaning and revelance to oh so many.....beautiful cuties the

go-go dancers.. which bar? It is a mystery it seems they have all disappeared from sight ... fallen off the radar..... CM ..oh poor,poor CM... why and where have all the go-go beauties gone...bozos marry some or adopt them it seems i guess...

while the other true beauties beat feet to Bangkok and beyond before they starve here..

you still see the Young Wonderfuls, the 19 to 20yr old white skinned beautifuls sitting in front of the kareoke bars.....but not as many ...

Edited June 4, 2009 by gatorhead333

[orang37]

Sawasdee Khrup, TV Friends,

I surrender ! With Rasseru on the same team with Ulysses, Eek, Thakkar, Anonymouse : the odds are cosmicly (comicly ?) hopeless

I withdraw all of my personalities from the field to nurse my wounds, repair my chain mail, and plan my come back. I will enter a period, or a comma, or a semi-colon, of silence, and seek solace and guidance from the teachings of Ur-Orang, and repeat to myself one of the hymms of Ur-Orang (this particular hymn actually asks Orangs to have compassion for their human kin who are infected with the virus of language to the point of being "divorced" from their senses) which I render here in human English language with the usual disclaimer that human speech/language can in no way reflect the beauty and power of pure Orang thought since it must be translated from Orang to patterns of electrical interraction, low-frequency brain waves, and chemical interactions among synaptic webs, which then allows my human to perceive it : then (the human) translates his perceptions into morphemes, then translates his morphemes to phonemes, which are then, finally, rendered into glyphs : yada, yada, yada : do I need to go any further to indicate how many opportunities there are for profound mis-understandings ?

Ur-Orang : "Hymn #108 from the Melon One public teachings"

to know that you are with everyone may come to your heart

a transient guest, a change of wind bearing wonder's scent,

and to know you are with no one knocks on the same door,

but separateness' wind carries nothing but an odorless chill

to believe in a fundament of inter-connectedness is passion,

without passion we're just weary creatures of habit passing

the time, repeating the tricks that get us through the hours;

if you believe your soul can be lost, you are the wilderness

paradox that the gate, to being with everyone, is on an edge

of a singular emptiness so vast every breath echoes loudly,

where language, and all words can be, are transient weeds,

where a human heart can only speak one word : "surrender"

a singularity : only your pain is real, my suffering is fantasy,

a shadow of shadows flailing all-around, a kite in high wind

regards, ~o:37;

[MonsieurHulot]

[Rasseru]

While our host and hero o:37 withdraws to repair his imaginary wounds, I will reply to Ulysses G.'s latest query:

Did it really take almost 3 hours to come up with that?

No, it did not. Unlike you, it would seem from the question you ask, I don't sit in front of my monitor waiting to read every post the moment it is made. I 'came up' with my (admittedly weak and silly) observation in the few seconds immediately following the point, which may well have been almost three hours later, when I read your post.

Back on topic, I offer here a sincere hope and wish that o:37's recovery will be rapid and full.

Edited June 5, 2009 by Rasseru

[Ulysses G.]

I'm glad to hear that you did not meditate on your answer for hours before replying. I sometimes imagine you and Monsieur Hulot sitting in front of your respective computers with the phone in hand giving each other grist for the "observations" mill.

I have to actually work for a living, so posting on Thai Visa is simply a way to make the day go faster. The computer is there. I am there and it something to do besides locating books on the computer.

Actually, I never even look at the computer when am off duty.

Oh yeah, back on topic, I offer sincere hope and wishes that o:37's recovery will be rapid and full too.

Edited June 5, 2009 by Ulysses G.

[MonsieurHulot]

I sometimes imagine you and Monsieur Hulot sitting in front of your respective computers with the phone in hand giving each other grist for the "observations" mill.

Actually Rasseru and I used to communicate via smoke signal but since so many of you complained about the pollution, we are now resorting to walkie-talkies. Over

[Ulysses G.]

Two tin cans with a string between them would be cheaper.

[Rasseru]

I sometimes imagine you and Monsieur Hulot sitting in front of your respective computers with the phone in hand giving each other grist for the "observations" mill.

Actually Rasseru and I used to communicate via smoke signal but since so many of you complained about the pollution, we are now resorting to walkie-talkies. Over

A followup 'observation'. For a while, M. Hulot and I tried simply reading each other's minds, but we couldn't get it to work at all. According to the experts, mine either is incomprehensible to outsiders or does not exist.