Actor David Carradine Dead in Bangkok

[Jingthing]

I seriously doubt he had any company in that room. That activity is for the most part done privately. That's one reason it is so often fatal.

Jingthing, you seem to have some knowledge on this type of activity. Would you be so kind to tell me how this sex act is performed. I am pretty old fashioned

and kinky to me is having 2 women in bed at the same time.

No, just what I read on the net. This practice is quite common at least in the west and results in many accidental deaths each year, mostly young people. It is a SOLO activity. One person, got it?

However, I did personally know a victim of this. He was a more typical victim being in his early 20's.

Edited June 8, 2009 by Jingthing

[sriracha john]

David Carradine Death Photo Points to Accident or Murder?

Friends and family of actor David Carradine are insistent that the 72-year-old actor was not of the mindset to commit suicide and a recently released photo of the death scene (and other undisclosed photos) may provide the family with supporting evidence that Carradine either was murdered or died accidentally.

Initially ruled a suicide, the Thai police investigating the hanging death at a Bangkok hotel also now are pursuing the possibility of accidental death during a sex game.

While speculation as to if the "Kung <deleted>" star was murdered, committed suicide, or accidentally died while engaged in an auto-erotic activity, the Thai Rath tabloid published the hanging death photo of David Carradine on its front page.

Although the family was understandably "profoundly disturbed" by the publication of the horrific hanging photo of their family member, the death photo has led many, not just the Thai authorities investigating the case, to believe that not only was David Carradine involved in a sex game at the time of his death but that he may have also had at least one partner.

The photo pictured a body purported to be that of actor David Carradine hanging in a closet, hands bound above his head.

The genitals were also bound.

The man hanging in the photo was wearing a dark wig and fishnet stockings.

There appears to also be women's red lingerie on the bed.

Although it is quite possible that the lingerie was Carradine's, their presence might also suggest that another person may have been present before Carradine died.

But why would the Thailand police not have announced that they were pursuing other avenues other than suicide at the outset? Some believe they may have been attempting to cover up what had occurred.

The death of a famous personage would be bad for the tourist trade, no doubt, but it is possible that their reticence was due to withholding information in order to track down leads -- such as finding and questioning someone involved that was not at the death scene -- that may be pertinent to the situation.

Of course, they may have withheld information for discretionary purposes as well.

But when the internet and print media became the melting pot of wild speculation and scandalous accusations and allegations not only about the actor and his last moments but about the thoroughness of the Thai investigation, Thai authorities issued a statement that there were inconsistencies in the death scene that might suggest that David Carradine may not have committed suicide.

And then Thai Rath published their now infamous death photo.

The family has since issued a warning through their lawyer, Mark Geragos, that any printing or reprinting of photos of the death of David Carradine would be met with legal action.

But another photo, one where David Carradine was at a morgue, has also surfaced.

The questions now surrounding David Carradine's death are many and seem to be growing exponentially as more information is made available.

The family wishes to have a second autopsy performed once the actor's body is stateside. The family has also asked for the help of the FBI, whose services Thai officials are reportedly stating are unnecessary.

But if another person is involved and that person was not an acquaintance of Carradine's, the Thai police face a formidable task of finding a person that does not wish to be found.

And if the hypothetical other person, who may have murdered or may have been involved in the accidental asphyxiation of the "Kung <deleted>" star, is one of the hundreds of thousands of sex workers that ply their trade in Thailand, the task may be one of near impossibility.

- TMZ.com / 2009-06-08

[sriracha john]

Autoerotic Asphyxiation: Dabbling with Death

Was it suicide, murder, or a sex game gone wrong? This is the question Bangkok police are asking in the death of 72-year-old actor David Carradine. With his naked body found in a hotel closet, one rope tied around his neck, another around his genitals, one Thai forensic scientist suggested accidental suffocation during autoerotic asphyxiation may have been the cause of death.

Regardless of whether this was the actual cause of Carradine’s death, it does bring attention to this potentially deadly form of sex play.

Also known as scarfing or terminal sex, erotic asphyxiation involves temporarily cutting off one’s oxygen supply to heighten sexual sensations during climax. The potential price to be paid for such breath play is serious, as in death and brain damage. Naturally, one has to ask: Who would dare dabble with death in achieving sexual satisfaction? And why?

Practitioners say it makes for a much more intense orgasm. The people who engage in such activity feel like they're having a thrilling "high" while having sex with themselves. For couples, the power play, role playing, and trust components are a turn on — they love the feeling of being dominated, and the comfort of being with someone with whom they feel safe.

While it should go without saying, it can’t be stressed enough — this is one sex act you want to steer clear of. There is no “safe” way to restrict blood flow. While you can try to minimize the risks in making the practices involved “safer,” there is no way that suffocation or strangulation does not put an individual at risk of cardiac arrest.

Should this occur, the chance of resuscitation is slight, even with the best of help. Cutting off blood supply to the brain can induce cerebral anoxia, oxygen deficiency to the brain, resulting in death or tissue damage.

The number of people who engage in erotic asphyxiation of any kind is unknown. Barely any research has been conducted on the subject. Yet we do know that masturbation gone wrong results in several deaths every year. An estimated 500-1,000 Americans, mostly 12- to 25-year-old males, are thought to die from autoerotic asphyxiation annually.

Yet these deaths aren’t typically reported as sexual misadventures. Instead, with the individual often found hanging from a doorknob or closet rod, they’re reported as suicides. This is in part thanks to mortified parents altering the death scene before paramedics arrive. In any case, friends and family are left confused and defending the deceased, who gave no indication of being depressed or into “kinky” sex.

It’s hard to fathom the turn-on of solo or partnered asphyxiation, even when you consider that the throat has long been a fascinating, sensitive erotic zone. The draw of asphyxiation practices is the increased sexual excitement it offers. The lightheadedness and exhilaration experienced supposedly heighten orgasmic sensations as well.

For some, greater sexual satisfaction is derived from the feelings of helplessness, lack of control, self-endangerment, or sense of control. Some are into the heightened fantasy, altered state of consciousness, or trust such sex invites. The giddiness and euphoria it creates has been likened to a good alcohol buzz or drug high.

While “conventional” couples are said to engage in strangling, choking, or hanging during sex, such erotic asphyxiation is more commonly used in the bondage and discipline, dominance and submission, sadism and masochism community. This type of sex play often involves one partner putting his hands around the other’s neck — at the lover’s request — and squeezing it to intensify the experience. In some cases a belt may be used. In other cases, a hand or object is placed over the nose and mouth.

As part of her dissertation research, Kathryn Ando, of the Center for Sex and Culture, found that more women are on the receiving end of such play, while men are mostly on the giving end. In her sample of 350 people, Ando also learned that the ratio of those practicing partnered breath control versus solitary breath play was about 3 to 1.

Yet when it comes to autoerotic asphyxiation, such is usually pursued by namely straight, white, middle-class young men and adolescent boys. These baggers or gaspers, as they are known, place a plastic bag (to be torn when they desperately need oxygen) over their heads during self pleasuring.

Alternatively, they may tie a rope around their neck. According to Paul Joannides, author of “Guide to Getting It On!,” up to a quarter of them don female underwear while masturbating in this way.

The danger of such arousal, no matter who the practitioner or what the situation, is twofold. You risk death or significant injury in: (1) cutting off blood to the brain; and (2) cutting off oxygen for a period of time. Add to this other dangers, including loss of consciousness, and you’ve got a recipe for disaster.

Accidental death is due to equipment failures (for example, the safety releases don’t work), errors in placement of the noose or ligature, or other mistakes that sometimes occur with the methodologies used. Death also results when one’s self-control or judgment fails.

Other risky side effects include cutting, bruising, or lacerating the neck, trachea, and esophagus. These are dependent upon the suffocation or strangulation technique employed.

And those are just the immediate hazardous side effects. Sexologists and healthcare professionals who speak out on this topic worry about the unknown, long-term consequences of cutting off your oxygen supply.

Most people don’t know just how risky erotic asphyxiation is, with practitioners often in the dark about its risks and consequences. There is a need for education around this largely hidden topic. But this is tough terrain to teach, since there are fears that education will encourage the practice.

Carradine’s death is allowing the opportunity for education, the focus of which needs to be harm reduction. The best way to go about doing this is to educate people about neck and throat care, just as you would any other part of the body. Such education would highlight significant injuries to avoid when it comes to the throat or neck.

Until such efforts are in place, it can’t be stressed enough: Don’t do this at home (or in a hotel or anywhere else for that matter). If your partner requests it, be smart and turn it down. It beats being a murder suspect. Imagine having to say, “She asked me to choke her during sex, your honor, honest.”

You see what I mean?

- Yvonne Fulbright / Fox News (USA) / 2009-06-08

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Dr. Yvonne K. Fulbright

Fox News Channel

Dr. Yvonne K. Fulbright is a sex educator, relationship expert, columnist and founder of Sexuality Source Inc. She is the author of several books including, "Touch Me There! A Hands-On Guide to Your Orgasmic Hot Spots."

[myfriendyou]

AEA should now be known oficially as the "Grasshopper"

R.I.P Grasshopper

[chen168]

8 June 2009 9:02 AM, PDT

Thai officials looking into the death of David Carradine have given permission to U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) agents to observe their proceedings as they attempt to determine the circumstances surrounding his tragic passing.

The Kill Bill star, 72, was found hanging in his Bangkok hotel room on Thursday; some reports suggest he committed suicide, while local police believe he died accidentally as he took part in a dangerous sex game.

Carradine's family requested the FBI's involvement last week (ends05Jun09), urging authorities to assist the Thai police investigation to prove the star had no intention of killing himself.

And their request has been granted by the country's officials - although FBI agents have only been given a limited role in the case.

Thailand's senior attorney general Sirasak Tiypan says, "The FBI can observe or ask Thai investigators to investigate certain points, but it cannot run its own investigation or collect evidence."

An initial autopsy report carried out by Thai coroners reveals Carradine died from a sudden lack of oxygen; his body showed no signs of struggle.

Doctors in Carradine's native U.S. are expected to examine the actor's body this week (begs08Jun09) after his remains were flown back at the weekend.

[sriracha john]

^ please post the article's source and headline. Thank you.

Edited June 9, 2009 by sriracha john

[Shotime]

If possible, it's getting worse on Larry King right now. Larry isn't there, and the female host doesn't even want to do it. Don't they have other things to worry about?

[hammered]

Carradine's Attorney Believes He Was Murdered

David Carradine's lawyer is calling on Thai authorities to launch a murder investigation, because she believes the actor was killed and his death made to look like a suicide.

Disgusting public posturing and rumor mongering. That lawyer is doing a huge disservice to the family. A proper lawyer will release meaningless standard statements to the media, while quietly working behind the scenes. This shyster appears to threat the case as an opportunity for lots of airtime he would otherwise not get.

Great for the media, the more insane the theories from this person, the longer the story runs, and the more money is generated.

Police was rather clear what they have stated: after the toxicological tests are available, and all evidence is considered, the investigation result will be published within 4 weeks time. Right now it is a case under investigation - nothing more, nothing less. The police should be given time to do their job, and not be harassed with outlandish conspiracy theories.

After they published their report, it is time to evaluate if they did a proper job or not.

Make you right on that. Isnt the lawyer one of the larger than life (and certainly larger than a case) celebrity lawyers that loves his face on the news -Geragos (sp)

[sabaijai]

Other than the fact that the man in the Thai Rath photo has a completely different build than Carradine, and the hotel room is clearly not the Swisshotel, the man in the photo has no visible body tattoos. Carradine's tattoos should be clearly visible along his right side. That photo is completely unrelated to the case.

[bobbin]

My earlier posts asking about the methodology of this particular case of AEA have been largely ignored.... even though most of us seem to agree that it was the probable cause of death.

A couple of points....

1. I have been made uncomfortable watching American-produced porn ( hey, it's free from the internet!) in mixed company, where the male actor seems inordinately interested in grabbing the throat of the female actor. This usually results in my female co-watcher asking " Why does he do that?". My response is "I don't know! It's scary!" This seems to allude to partnered "breath control" a la the plot in "Rising Sun" mentioned earlier. Even though that movie is several years old now, maybe this activity is becoming more mainstream in America.

2. In the case of DC, supposedly it was a case of AEA. No partner. We don't know for sure if both wrists were tied or only one. If the Thai Rath picture is real, both wrists are tied above his head.

The progression of events has to follow this timeline to make sense......

The throat is constricted minimally, pressure increasing as stimulation increases. This seems to require at least one free hand!

Iminent orgasm has to coincide with maximum pressure to provide the "high", followed by decreasing pressure to allow surviving the event.

In the case of DC, the DNA "evidence" will be very close to hand...no time for tissues! If this is the case, it's pretty obvious what took place as you can not stage this kind of evidence.

3. The ex-wives will know if this is what he was into and have more or less confirmed that it fits in with what they experienced living with him.

A few more points..

Several posters have said this is a sordid story. Why is that? It was masturbation. Unfortunately, a dangerous form of masturbation to be sure, but masturbation nonetheless. A very common event (not the AEA).

I also think that someone introduced DC to this activity. Probably through partnered breath control, because AEA would be in the same category as bomb-making as something you don't want to be self-taught.

[animatic]

I find it hard to believe that anyone could successfully prosecute any Thai media

that happen more than often. you don't know much about thailand, do you?

I've lived here all my life and in fact i was born here

Game, Set, Match, Cyborg!

[Jingthing]

Several posters have said this is a sordid story. Why is that? It was masturbation. Unfortunately, a dangerous form of masturbation to be sure, but masturbation nonetheless. A very common event (not the AEA).

I also think that someone introduced DC to this activity. Probably through partnered breath control, because AEA would be in the same category as bomb-making as something you don't want to be self-taugh

I am sorry. It is a sordid activity. Of course, garden variety masturbation isn't. Why sugar coat this? Instead, this should be used for education and a warning to people who want to try this all over the world.

That's a good question, are AEA participants self taught. Well I am sure there is info out there on techniques. I reckon most of the adolescents trying this figure out how to do this themselves (and often poorly). Also for a man of 72 to be found doing it, of course, the probability is that this was not the first time.

Edited June 9, 2009 by Jingthing

[chen168]

FBI Allowed To Help Investigation Into Carradine's Death

8 June 2009 9:02 AM, PDT | From wenn.com | See recent WENN news

[chen168]

FBI Allowed To Help Investigation Into Carradine's Death

8 June 2009 9:02 AM, PDT | From wenn.com | See recent WENN news

David Carradine's Ex-Wife Says 'He Liked to Be Tied Up'

8 June 2009 8:18 PM, PDT | From Celebrity Mania | See recent Celebrity Mania news

After David Carradine's divorce papers in 2003 with his fourth wife revealed his "potentially deadly" sexual behavior, another woman speaks up about his deviant sex habit. In an interview with Patricia Towle this weekend, the actor's third wife, Gail Jensen, informed that David would spend days dealing with his sexual devices.

Gail told Patricia that David had a habit of doing sex with rope. "David was pretty strange," she said, before adding "He would like to get tied up. He would tie himself up and I would walk in and see him and say 'Oh my God, David, you got to be kidding me' -- and I would (turn around and) walk out. I would leave him to his own devices."

Gail continued explaining that David would spend days to plan using a different feature. "He would go to a hardware store and buy the stuff," she further added. However,the actor's ex-wife, with whom the "Kill Bill" star got divorced in 1997, insisted that he never chocked himself.

Meanwhile, in another occasion, David's fourth wife, Marina Anderson had an interview with Access Hollywood about the statement in her 2003 divorce paper which mentioned about his "potentially deadly" sex habit. "There was a dark side to David, there was a very intense side to David. People around him know that," Marina claimed, refusing to comment further on the divorce paper.

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Edited June 9, 2009 by chen168

[chen168]

Forensic Expert Brought In to Examine David Carradine's Body

8 June 2009 8:07 PM, PDT | From Aceshowbiz | See recent Aceshowbiz news

In their bid to get the answers behind David Carradine's sudden death in Thailand, the family of the kung <deleted> star have reached out to U.S. forensic expert Dr. Michael Baden. To Radar Online, the famed forensic pathologist confirmed his involvement, saying that Mark Geragos, the lawyer representing David's brother Keith Carradine, has contacted him and asked him for his help.

"The body has been flown back to Los Angeles," the former chief forensic pathologist for the New York State Police added. "I'll soon be leaving New York for L.A. to conduct the forensic examination." Baden, who hosts the HBO series "Autopsy", has been involved in the investigations of countless celebrity deaths including Nicole Brown Simpson and Anna Nicole Smith.

Earlier, Geragos himself told the Associated Press that David's family will ask Baden to investigate whether another person could have been involved in the actor's death. "It's

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[TAWP]

1. I have been made uncomfortable watching American-produced porn ( hey, it's free from the internet!) in mixed company, where the male actor seems inordinately interested in grabbing the throat of the female actor. This usually results in my female co-watcher asking " Why does he do that?". My response is "I don't know! It's scary!" This seems to allude to partnered "breath control" a la the plot in "Rising Sun" mentioned earlier. Even though that movie is several years old now, maybe this activity is becoming more mainstream in America.

Done right, many women I have been with _really_ appreciate it. If you try it and don't like it, fine, but don't discard the idea beforehand...

[bobbin]

1. I have been made uncomfortable watching American-produced porn ( hey, it's free from the internet!) in mixed company, where the male actor seems inordinately interested in grabbing the throat of the female actor. This usually results in my female co-watcher asking " Why does he do that?". My response is "I don't know! It's scary!" This seems to allude to partnered "breath control" a la the plot in "Rising Sun" mentioned earlier. Even though that movie is several years old now, maybe this activity is becoming more mainstream in America.

Done right, many women I have been with _really_ appreciate it. If you try it and don't like it, fine, but don't discard the idea beforehand...

What about the ones who think you are about to murder them?

[webfact]

I know some people who are into that bondage stuff, not the soft but hard stuff.

Once I asked them isn't that dangerous and I was replied "yes it is but we control it and know when to stop.

We do it with signals well-known to each other, like divers do - and we talk about before we go into action".

IMHO in the case discussed in this thread something went wrong. There was no back-up diver to stop or help! The person acted alone.

We will never know about only can speculate...

Edited June 9, 2009 by webfact

[LaoPo]

Other than the fact that the man in the Thai Rath photo has a completely different build than Carradine, and the hotel room is clearly not the Swisshotel, the man in the photo has no visible body tattoos. Carradine's tattoos should be clearly visible along his right side. That photo is completely unrelated to the case.

I fully agree that the THAIRATH photo is fake (or from another, previous case) and not related to David Carradine's death.

the so-called hotel suite of David Carradine...This type of room is a maximum 3* star hotelroom and certainly not a 4* or even 5* star Bangkok Hotel suite-room.

a so called Alcove Suite in the Swissotel at Nai Lert Park taken from their website. There are 2 other types of suites: the Royal suite and the Presidential suite to be seen here in the link below:

not exactly looking like the "suite" in the Thai Rath photo

http://www.swissotel.com/EN/Destinations/T.../SubGallery.htm

Furthermore: IF a photo-reporter (or anybody else) from Thai Rath would have taken a photo, the picture-quality should have been perfect to almost perfect, considering the high pixel-quality camera's we have nowadays and not the low quality as shown in Thai Rath!

Next to that: although the photo is vague, anybody can see that the body is of a young male and not of a 72 year old man.

It wouldn't surprise me the least if a signal from high up would have "steered" the police investigators telling the world at first it was suicide. It's ''easy'' and case closed.

Reason?: the bad publicity Thailand receives already since the past few years with so many murders on tourists/foreigners. The mysterious death (accidental or murder) of a world-famous American actor is not exactly good promotion and something Thailand is waiting for; thus: suicide is more convenient for Thailand.

But a wardrobe closet, even in a 5* star hotel is not exactly the location a world famous actor would choose (just before starting his new movie) to commit suicide, 2 days after he arrived in Bangkok.

Jumping from a roof is easier.

Kinky sex ?....quite possible, but an accidental death or worse is more of an option.

LaoPo

Edited June 9, 2009 by LaoPo

[Old Man River]

Other than the fact that the man in the Thai Rath photo has a completely different build than Carradine, and the hotel room is clearly not the Swisshotel, the man in the photo has no visible body tattoos. Carradine's tattoos should be clearly visible along his right side. That photo is completely unrelated to the case.

I fully agree that the THAIRATH photo is fake (or from another, previous case) and not related to David Carradine's death.

the so-called hotel suite of David Carradine...This type of room is a maximum 3* star hotelroom and certainly not a 4* or even 5* star Bangkok Hotel suite-room.

a so called Alcove Suite in the Swissotel at Nai Lert Park taken from their website. There are 2 other types of suites: the Royal suite and the Presidential suite to be seen here in the link below:

not exactly looking like the "suite" in the Thai Rath photo

http://www.swissotel.com/EN/Destinations/T.../SubGallery.htm

Furthermore: IF a photo-reporter (or anybody else) from Thai Rath would have taken a photo, the picture-quality should have been perfect to almost perfect, considering the high pixel-quality camera's we have nowadays and not the low quality as shown in Thai Rath!

Next to that: although the photo is vague, anybody can see that the body is of a young male and not of a 72 year old man.

It wouldn't surprise me the least if a signal from high up would have "steered" the police investigators telling the world at first it was suicide. It's ''easy'' and case closed.

Reason?: the bad publicity Thailand receives already since the past few years with so many murders on tourists/foreigners. The mysterious death (accidental or murder) of a world-famous American actor is not exactly good promotion and something Thailand is waiting for; thus: suicide is more convenient for Thailand.

But a wardrobe closet, even in a 5* star hotel is not exactly the location a world famous actor would choose (just before starting his new movie) to commit suicide, 2 days after he arrived in Bangkok.

Jumping from a roof is easier.

Kinky sex ?....quite possible, but an accidental death or worse is more of an option.

LaoPo

I fully agree. Your analysis of the photo on the front page of a popular Thai newspaper shows exactly why people should never believe everything they see in newspapers.

[NaiGreg]

Imagine having a heart attack when you just finished wanking and no way to hide the evidence - never mind when you were playing some weird sex game. Poor David C. What an embarasing way to go!

Maybe he was just "getting into his character" for his current project. Does anyone know what role/character he had in the upcoming flick?

My guess is he was really just a normal Hollywood super-stud who was invited to play a pathetic, lonely, wanke_r in fish-net stockings and a cheap wig (typical Kung <deleted> stuff) Obviously he had no prior experience in this and he really should have had his acting coach present during practice to show him the "ropes"

This is why they have STUNT MEN! Don't do this at home ... yaddaa yadda yadda ...

-NG

[coventry]

Didn't the lead singer in INXS go the same route ? You know who I mean ? The guy that married that blond piece who was the illigitimate daughter of Hughie Greene and the ex wife of the lead singer of that Oirish band ? I struggle with names.

Michael Hutchence was his name and he too died from the same thing "autoerotic asphyxiation". Edited June 9, 2009 by coventry

[Carib]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009...e-film-director

[chen168]

David Carradine branded 'strange' by ex

People News

Jun 9, 2009, 11:30 GMT

David Carradine's ex-wife has denied his death was "sexual".

Gail Jensen - the third of Carradine's five wives - admits the 72-year-old actor had "strange" bondage habits, but insists he never strangled himself to enhance his sexual pleasure while he was with her.

She told a US TV interviewer: "David was pretty strange. He would like to get tied up. He would tie himself up and I would walk in and see him and say, 'Oh my God, David, you got to be kidding me' and I would turn around and walk out.

"I would leave him to his own devices. He liked to be tied up. And he could tie himself up. He spent days planning different scenarios. He would go to a hardware store and buy the stuff but it was never sexual and he never choked himself."

[Johpa]

David Carradine branded 'strange' by ex

People News

Jun 9, 2009, 11:30 GMT

David Carradine's ex-wife has denied his death was "sexual".

Gail Jensen - the third of Carradine's five wives - admits the 72-year-old actor had "strange" bondage habits, but insists he never strangled himself to enhance his sexual pleasure while he was with her.

She told a US TV interviewer: "David was pretty strange.

Yea, the guy was always a bit strange in any interview of him I encountered. He played that endearing role of Kwai Chang Caine in the 1970s TV series Kung <deleted>, beloved by many of us of a certain age (all middle aged now) and he never seemed to be able to get his own persona out of that particular character. It was as if he lived in a perpetual fictional role play. Other character actors have had led similar lives such as William Boyd, another American character actor who internalized his role of the cowboy Hopalong Cassidy as did Clayton Moore, the Lone Ranger. But I would imagine that for an American male to adopt a persona as a fictional cowboy is quite different from such a person attempting to adopt the persona of a two-dimensional eastern mystic. So yes, I would agree that even setting aside sexual predilections, the man always came across as pretty strange.

[Shotime]

Such a famous acting family, and now that's all these m_____s will remember.

[chen168]

Carradine's Ex -- David's Obsession Christ-like

Posted Jun 9th 2009 9:14AM by TMZ Staff

One of David Carradine's ex-wives tells us David's obsession with auto-erotica went so far, it involved Jesus.

Gail Jensen -- Carradine's third wife -- says she came home one day and -- starting at the door -- there were post-it notes with arrows leading into the basement.

Jensen says she followed the notes and found Carradine hanging from a rope, emulating Jesus Christ in body position. Jensen asked him what he was doing. David's response: "I really would like a sandwich."

Jensen says they were having people over, but David stayed in the basement while the guests ate upstairs. Gail says she went down to the basement several times to give him food and wine. Several hours later, he untied himself and joined the party.

[geriatrickid]

I originally had my doubts about the newspaper photo, but now there's an explanation;

- Newspaper photo editor states that a shadow was applied to obscure the naked portions of the deceased.

- Photo was taken in the hotel suite's walk in closet, wardrobe, not the room itself.

I still have my doubts, but the explanation does make sense. It's the Thai logic that says it's ok to show gruesome images, but hey, no naked parts allowed, that suggests to me it could indeed a valid photo. I think we all agree that the area shown is not the swissotel's standard hotel room, so if it was the waslin closet, then I can buy the explanation.

I have also seen the 2 autopsy photos published courtesy of a Hungarian blogger and website. (Google it and you will find it online.) There is also the following chunk of info now circulating, which I am excerpting from Radaronline.com

Shocking and disturbing photos of David Carradine's body post-autopsy have surfaced, RadarOnline.com has learned exclusively.The pictures show the actor nud_e and on a coroner's metal table. His many tattoos are clearly visible. There are multiple frames and they are explicit. (I have seen two of the photos and believe it does suggest the body of a 72 year old. The tatoos and jewellery match up with other photos of the deceased. The blood pooling in the lower limbs is consistent with a body that has died while in an upright position.) His death in Bangkok is still being investigated. Famed lawyer Mark Geragos, representing David's brother Keith, told RadarOnline.com that he would sue any publication in the U.S. that published the photos of Carradine dead in the hotel. Many outlets have incorrectly reported that Carradine was wearing some sort of mesh stocking when he was found dead. But RadarOnline.com has learned that the actor was nud_e and the Thai paper that published the death photo put a heavy shadow on the body to obscure some of the details. (This corroborates other statements made about the photo editing to conceal the buttocks and genitalia.)

One think is certain. The more they try to hush this up and spin it to the clean side, the more people will clamour to see the autopsy photos. This should have just been left to run its course. Mr. Carradine would have fallen from the front pages within a few days and people would have forgotten about this quickly.

[cyborg22]

I originally had my doubts about the newspaper photo, but now there's an explanation;

- Newspaper photo editor states that a shadow was applied to obscure the naked portions of the deceased.

- Photo was taken in the hotel suite's walk in closet, wardrobe, not the room itself.

I still have my doubts, but the explanation does make sense. It's the Thai logic that says it's ok to show gruesome images, but hey, no naked parts allowed, that suggests to me it could indeed a valid photo. I think we all agree that the area shown is not the swissotel's standard hotel room, so if it was the waslin closet, then I can buy the explanation.

I have also seen the 2 autopsy photos published courtesy of a Hungarian blogger and website. (Google it and you will find it online.) There is also the following chunk of info now circulating, which I am excerpting from Radaronline.com

Shocking and disturbing photos of David Carradine's body post-autopsy have surfaced, RadarOnline.com has learned exclusively.The pictures show the actor nud_e and on a coroner's metal table. His many tattoos are clearly visible. There are multiple frames and they are explicit. (I have seen two of the photos and believe it does suggest the body of a 72 year old. The tatoos and jewellery match up with other photos of the deceased. The blood pooling in the lower limbs is consistent with a body that has died while in an upright position.) His death in Bangkok is still being investigated. Famed lawyer Mark Geragos, representing David's brother Keith, told RadarOnline.com that he would sue any publication in the U.S. that published the photos of Carradine dead in the hotel. Many outlets have incorrectly reported that Carradine was wearing some sort of mesh stocking when he was found dead. But RadarOnline.com has learned that the actor was nud_e and the Thai paper that published the death photo put a heavy shadow on the body to obscure some of the details. (This corroborates other statements made about the photo editing to conceal the buttocks and genitalia.)

One think is certain. The more they try to hush this up and spin it to the clean side, the more people will clamour to see the autopsy photos. This should have just been left to run its course. Mr. Carradine would have fallen from the front pages within a few days and people would have forgotten about this quickly.

Let me just say one thing. Since when has a walk in closet contained a bed?

To the best of my knowledge all jewellery is removed prior to autopsy

Edited June 10, 2009 by cyborg22

[keemapoot]

I originally had my doubts about the newspaper photo, but now there's an explanation;

- Newspaper photo editor states that a shadow was applied to obscure the naked portions of the deceased.

- Photo was taken in the hotel suite's walk in closet, wardrobe, not the room itself.

I still have my doubts, but the explanation does make sense. It's the Thai logic that says it's ok to show gruesome images, but hey, no naked parts allowed, that suggests to me it could indeed a valid photo. I think we all agree that the area shown is not the swissotel's standard hotel room, so if it was the waslin closet, then I can buy the explanation.

I have also seen the 2 autopsy photos published courtesy of a Hungarian blogger and website. (Google it and you will find it online.) There is also the following chunk of info now circulating, which I am excerpting from Radaronline.com

Shocking and disturbing photos of David Carradine's body post-autopsy have surfaced, RadarOnline.com has learned exclusively.The pictures show the actor nud_e and on a coroner's metal table. His many tattoos are clearly visible. There are multiple frames and they are explicit. (I have seen two of the photos and believe it does suggest the body of a 72 year old. The tatoos and jewellery match up with other photos of the deceased. The blood pooling in the lower limbs is consistent with a body that has died while in an upright position.) His death in Bangkok is still being investigated. Famed lawyer Mark Geragos, representing David's brother Keith, told RadarOnline.com that he would sue any publication in the U.S. that published the photos of Carradine dead in the hotel. Many outlets have incorrectly reported that Carradine was wearing some sort of mesh stocking when he was found dead. But RadarOnline.com has learned that the actor was nud_e and the Thai paper that published the death photo put a heavy shadow on the body to obscure some of the details. (This corroborates other statements made about the photo editing to conceal the buttocks and genitalia.)

One think is certain. The more they try to hush this up and spin it to the clean side, the more people will clamour to see the autopsy photos. This should have just been left to run its course. Mr. Carradine would have fallen from the front pages within a few days and people would have forgotten about this quickly.

Let me just say one thing. Since when has a walk in closet contained a bed?

To the best of my knowledge all jewellery is removed prior to autopsy

And let me say one more thing. Since when has a 5 star hotel had a walk in closet in one of their best suites with such a cheap bedspread and bed in the closet??? come on all of you, that picture is of another person.

Edited June 10, 2009 by keemapoot