sanmiguellight Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 Thais (and other Asians) prefer to be light skinned as darker skin is an indication of engagement in manual labour. Dark skin = low class job. Same attitude like in the West in past centuries. No the attitude in England in past centuries and today is due to perceived class upbringing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiG16 Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 Thais (and other Asians) prefer to be light skinned as darker skin is an indication of engagement in manual labour. Dark skin = low class job. Totally true. Yes, endure has it spot on. My husband likes to go fishing and is fairly dark because of it and often gets comments that he is too dark. Has had bad service from time to time from people who assume he's poor because he's dark. It goes something like this. For farangs dark skin symbolises affluence, that is they have more time for leisure like going to the beach, golf or any outdoor activity that will make someone’s skin darker signifies someone is rich. It is the opposite for Asians. Dark skin signifies someone is low class as the only people that will expose themselves to the sun are farmers and labourers. the grass is always greener on the other side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
endure Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 (edited) Thais (and other Asians) prefer to be light skinned as darker skin is an indication of engagement in manual labour. Dark skin = low class job. Same attitude like in the West in past centuries. No the attitude in England in past centuries and today is due to perceived class upbringing. Only true insofar as the upper classes didn't engage in manual labour. In Elizabethan times the idea of beauty required women to cover their faces in lead paste to make them as white as possible. Edited June 14, 2009 by endure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krading Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 Another example of big business creating a market where one didn't exist, convincing us to spend money on something we really don't need. All Hail the Mighty Dollar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassienie Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 Now perhaps I’ll be more compatible with Boom Boom: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahtin Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 Even those young people who embrace skin whitening have concerns about its long-term effects. Most skin whitening products contain mercury or hydroquinone, two seriously damaging chemicals. Mercury, a common ingredient in skin whitening creams in Asia, strips the skin of its natural pigment. It is also a poison known to cause liver and kidney damage, which can also lead to neurological disorders. Hydroquinone, a chemical used in photo processing, has been shown to cause cancer in lab animals. Ironically, both chemicals also react with ultra-violet rays and re-oxidise, leading to more skin-darkening pigmentation and premature aging. More of the product is then needed to alter the response, which changes the skin’s natural structure and inhibits the production of melatonin, making the skin more susceptible to skin cancer. http://www.insideindonesia.org/content/view/1115/47/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaccha Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 In the end, it's all about trying to conform to whatever the standard of beauty and femininity happens to be in your culture. It's the reason for the deeply tanned bleached blonde with breast implants in the US. It's the reason African Americans straighten their hair, and why women with straight hair get perms. It's why women get acrylic nails and polish their toenails. You look to have cracked it-- but you haven't. Westerners take it as read that racial lines are not to be played with. So although there is tanning to indicate wealth (can afford to travel abroad) or whitening to indicate wealth (no outdorr manual labour), the racialisation never happens. Interestingly, the middle classes of England now shun tanning. It is only the chavocracy that still do it. The latest edition of the anthropology journal Social Force provides a striking contra-example of trying hard not to fit in. The Japanese 'gyarru' use race as a fashion card. They black themselves up like the minstrel show performers on UK TV in the late 1970s-- the light lipstick and mascara act as a perfect contrast. Very aware of the attack on standard beauty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanForbes Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 I've commented on the same thing many times and all I can do is laugh, Cognos. It's mostly a female thing. Women are never satisfied with how they look. It keeps the cosmetics companies rich. If there was someway to duplicate and market the lovely smooth, golden skin that most Thai women have naturally you could make billions in Europe and North America. The scary thing is the whitening cream that the Thai women put on their faces and looks TERRIBLE when you take photos with a flash. They look like someone who died and came back to life as a zombie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cognos Posted June 14, 2009 Author Share Posted June 14, 2009 I've commented on the same thing many times and all I can do is laugh, Cognos. It's mostly a female thing. Women are never satisfied with how they look. It keeps the cosmetics companies rich. If there was someway to duplicate and market the lovely smooth, golden skin that most Thai women have naturally you could make billions in Europe and North America.The scary thing is the whitening cream that the Thai women put on their faces and looks TERRIBLE when you take photos with a flash. They look like someone who died and came back to life as a zombie. Ian, I understand .. several years ago a friend on my hockey team in Vancouver was dating a 30 something year old lady who had a very unhealthy looking complextion, very pale and it looked like she partied way too much ( she did )..my friend later told me ( after he was not seeing her anymore) that she was "pasty - faced".. I had never heard that word at the time..but it made sense, like she had white paste or something on her face..not a look to be emulated I would guess.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adad Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 ...you would be surprised the shit these company's push (with the exception of DOVE...great company but thats another story)... Don't be fooled. DOVE is made by Unilever, which is the same company that is guilty of pushing the whitening agenda with brands like Citra, and Fair and Lovely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bina Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 anyone have an articel in thai about the dangers of the skin whitening stuff// i would love to send it to my sisters inlaw; i promised them i would send facial stuff from the dead sea (with sunscreen in it) instead of that disgusting whtiening stuff they were using... i am pasty faced white even though i worked outdoors 10 yrs of my life, hat, sunscreen, and the thai style of dress (long clothes) do the job. while in hubby's muubaan, i finally wore shorts (i dont here), they got to see my horribly white veiny legs. in israel, that is a horrible thing to subject others too ) , but everywhere i went in the muubaan, poeple commented on how beautiful i was (are they kidding? im not horribly ugly but certainly not gorgeous and over 40 with the beginning of wrinkles since i dont bother with creams and things) -- it was great for my ego i have to admit. hubby is pretty black and doesnt give a hoot!, people love to look at him here on the beach with his big dragon tattoo on his back. he's also short and pudgy but super muscular too. and thai /farang mixed couples anyway get looks. isrealis dont like pasty white or black black. they like the coffee creamer colour with real or fake blond. (even my 15 yr old natural blond just 'dyed' her hair-- blond. dont ask me why although i told her her hair would now turn green when exposed to pool water ) i find the lily white pasty look reminds me of the yeshiva boy style (blech! and who apparently suffer from lack of vitamin D since they wear long clothes and are never outdoors...probably why my first husband was a dark tanned field worker israeli ) bina israel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absingjul Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Don't be fooled.DOVE is made by Unilever, which is the same company that is guilty of pushing the whitening agenda with brands like Citra, and Fair and Lovely. Last time I was in Singapore it seemed that Estee Lauder had bought up all of the ad space in the MRT stations for their "Cyber White" ads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjay Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 If it makes them happy to be lighter skinned let them get on with it, IMO lighter skinned Thai girls are cuter but thats more to do with the structure of their faces as opposed to skin colour. I too prefer the lighter skinned Thai women, if they are naturally lighter skinned. I hope I'm alive in twenty years so I can see the adverse effects of all this skin whitening crap being sold all over this country. It can't be good for their skin, can it? My wife has naturally light skin, but even she thinks she is too dark. I refuse to let her use the whitening products. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 ...you would be surprised the shit these company's push (with the exception of DOVE...great company but thats another story)... Don't be fooled. DOVE is made by Unilever, which is the same company that is guilty of pushing the whitening agenda with brands like Citra, and Fair and Lovely. I certainly won't argue with you on the cosmetics company that Dove uses for local manufacturing. I'm just saying that at corporate it must have taken allot of balls and a lil vision to do their "Campeign for real beauty"were they had adds up all over the BTS of a cute lil chocolaty brown skinny Thai woman, who is not what anyone would say was gourgeous. But cute and sexy in her own very natural very REAL way. I liked that about Dove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHammer Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 I like both brown, mocca and white chocolate equally. If thai men can't handle the dark chocolate , then thats their loss, more for me! (Unless the brown comes from spending time on Pattaya beach) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHammer Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 The latest edition of the anthropology journal Social Force provides a striking contra-example of trying hard not to fit in. The Japanese 'gyarru' use race as a fashion card. They black themselves up like the minstrel show performers on UK TV in the late 1970s-- the light lipstick and mascara act as a perfect contrast. Very aware of the attack on standard beauty. 'Trying hard not to fit in' Somehow I don't see that happening anytime soon in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astral Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Farangs like to get brown, Thai's particularly the ladies prefer to be pale. It seems we all want to be different. Very strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heng Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 If thai men can't handle the dark chocolate , then thats their loss, more for me! Don't worry, it's usually been well handled and processed by the time it gets to market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luciano1860 Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 Hi Folks..before meeting the wife I dated some various Thai women from different walks of life..Does the following STORY sound FAMILIAR ?? We will call her "Boom" for arguments sake. You (farang) meet (educated) Thai lady named Boom on the internet.. you and her chat, email , phone back and forth between your home country and LOS for several months..a WEEK before you are going to LOS, only partially to meet her, you get a phone call from Boom... " I have to tell you something " ..(yes, you reply??..) " I am sorry..I am browner (more brown / darker/ more natural melamine in my skin) than in the pictures that I sent you... are you angry ??" ( you reply to her...no..that's okay, no problem , don't worry, I like tanned ladies..) Boom replies.. " I will use skin whitener " to which you reply, my bpen rai khrap.. I admit freely that I like dark color skin, but I am not sure why, beyond perhaps beauty is in the eye of the beholder.. The point is, WHY do many young Caucasion women in farang lands go to tanning booths, tan on the beach, in order to get more brown ?? Conversely, WHY do many young Asian women (in this case Thai women) use whitener soap, stay out of the sun, in order to be "whiter" ?? Neither likes the way they naturally are.. I have my ideas on why this is, but I was looking for some ideas from some of you, who very likely can shed better light on this skin color conundrum than I can.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanForbes Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 Skin whitener looks TERRIBLE on women with naturally lovely golden skin. It makes a woman look like a vampire or someone who had died a week before. Compare that with Thai gals who have no makeup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heng Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 There's one scary looking fella. Almost spit out my espresso everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daoyai Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 Ian, you owe us some better photos after subjecting us to those! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiG16 Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 please make sure you have their permission to display their photos on an internet forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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