baht&sold Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 About 500 members of Khon Rak Udon (Love Udon People) red-shirt group, led by chairman Kwanchai Praiphana, had taken buses from the northeastern province of Udon Thani heading to Bangkok Saturday afternoon. Ah yes, the peace-loving Kwanchai of the 'love Udon' group - last we heard of the low-land mountain gorrilla-esque 'lover of democracy', he wasn't going to 'assist' Peua Thai anymore unless he got more money (looks like the funds came through;) See 'em teaching 'democracy' (with a can o' whupass;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plus Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Two wrongs don't make it right. Don't forget that the whole mess started with Thaksin refusing to accept responsibility. The military forced him, and now you want to give him amnesty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 (edited) Thaksin to address red-shirt protesters at 8:30 pm Former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra will make a phone-in to address his supporters at Sanam Luang at 8:30 pm. Jatuporn Promphan, a red-shirt leader, said Thaksin would use the phone-in to point out the failure of the economic measures of the government. Jatuporn said Thaksin would point out that Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva could not tackle the economic crisis. -- The Nation 2009/06/27 Edited June 27, 2009 by webfact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 (edited) It is beyond my belief that he is still allowed to phone-in! A DEJA VU "The experience of déjà vu is usually accompanied by a compelling sense of familiarity, and also a sense of "eeriness," "strangeness," or "weirdness" Back to square one! /edit: type error Edited June 27, 2009 by webfact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandstone Art Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Has those dark clouds also arriving above the reds yet? About 1.5 hr away before the convicted criminal call in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HagenvonTronje Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Police warn red shirts not to blockade Govt House By: POST REPORTERS Published: 27/06/2009 at 12:00 AM Newspaper section: News Police have vowed to take legal action against supporters of the red shirts if they fan out in their rally today and block roads around Government House. Metropolitan Police chief Pol Lt Gen Worapong Chiewpreecha said police will use their powers under the 2004 National Police Act to keep the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship in check. As the country does not have a specific law to govern public gatherings, the enforcement of the act would be necessary as it would allow officers to better control the demonstrators, he said. The act's enforcement is viewed as the most sensible step as the country still has no crowd control law, he said. All the roads around Government House are no-go zones for the red-shirt demonstrators, he said. ... continue here -- Bangkok Post 27/06/2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Maybe if they trace the phone call, they find out where he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baht&sold Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 (edited) Note lightning now appearing in those dark clouds as well just now. Also, here on mid-Sukhumvit, noted many sirens in the past half hour but after scanning Thai Rath and others, no news regarding what may be the cause - most likely a traffic accident or some other 'normal' emergency. Had a look on the Red News site for a link to the new UDD 'Democracy TV' live feed but can't see one there. If anyone has it, please post. Red News: http://www.thairednews.com/main/index.php Google translate: http://translate.google.com/translate_t# Edit: ^^not certain calls from Cambodia are traceable^^ ;-) Edited June 27, 2009 by baht&sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Wow, such a bad lightning- and rain-storm around my office now. The gods don't like troublemakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baht&sold Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Weather update 8 pm: Absolutely pouring cats n soi dogs outside at the moment (mid sukhumvit area) can hardly see the building across the street. Hopefully no one will light buses on fire (or a gas tanker;) to stay warm. Seriously though, I feel for the contingent of the true reds (and much of Isaan) who do indeed have some very serious issues which need attending and not by the taught short-term 'here's a candy' (and now I get the candy factory) approach by Mr Thaksin. For those moms, pops,kids n grandparents out there in this heavy downpour who are so deserving of real representation, long-term solutions, access to better and higher education, land reform, transparency in crop bids, and a Govt which doesn't cynically 'use' them over and over and over, I sincerely hope they get the changes they need and deserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baht&sold Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Heavy rains disperse red-shirt protesters The Nation (approx 8:30 pm) Following half an hour of heavy rains at Sanam Luang, many red-shirt protesters dispersed Sunday evening. By 7:30 pm, many protesters, especially those with children, left the rally ground. However, many protesters remained and cheered to the thunder sounds. -- The Nation 27 June 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JacknDanny Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Heavy rains disperse red-shirt protestersThe Nation (approx 8:30 pm) Following half an hour of heavy rains at Sanam Luang, many red-shirt protesters dispersed Sunday evening. -- The Nation 27 June 2009 :D :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insight Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Heavy rains disperse red-shirt protestersThe Nation (approx 8:30 pm) Following half an hour of heavy rains at Sanam Luang, many red-shirt protesters dispersed Sunday evening. By 7:30 pm, many protesters, especially those with children, left the rally ground. However, many protesters remained and cheered to the thunder sounds. -- The Nation 27 June 2009 Brilliant precision there by The Nation. Time to fire up Google Earth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baht&sold Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 9:10 pm, rain has let up, storm moving on, don't expect Dr Thaksin to be left ringing on and unanswered line - he's invested far too much and besides, the 'core' staff (er, democracy advocates) can't just simply punch the time-clock... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rixalex Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Heavy rains disperse red-shirt protestersThe Nation (approx 8:30 pm) Following half an hour of heavy rains at Sanam Luang, many red-shirt protesters dispersed Sunday evening. By 7:30 pm, many protesters, especially those with children, left the rally ground. However, many protesters remained and cheered to the thunder sounds. -- The Nation 27 June 2009 Brilliant precision there by The Nation. Can't even get the day right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 another Red Shirt rally that just missed the million person attendance... Renewed Thai anti-government rally peaceful, to disperse on Sunday morning BANGKOK -- Core leaders of a renewed anti-government rally in Thailand's capital Bangkok on Saturday said their protest will be peaceful as they are demanding the coalition government to dissolve the House of Representatives and hold a general election. The anti-government protesters, or the red-shirted people, who are led by the United front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD), have started re-gathering at Sanam Luang in the center of Bangkok from around 16:00 p.m. local time. At around 18:00 p.m. local time around 10,000 red-shirted people participated in the anti-government rally and listed to the anti-government speeches by the UDD core leaders. - Xinhua / 2009-06-27 ===================================================================== Thousands of anti-govt protesters mass in Bangkok BANGKOK — Nearly 10,000 supporters of former Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra rallied in Bangkok on Saturday, calling for the current premier to step down — the latest demonstration in the kingdom since Thaksin's ouster in a 2006 coup. Police mobilized 3,000 security officers and warned the United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship — also known as the "red shirts" — not to block the office of Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva as it did for several weeks in March and April. "If the red shirts mobilize to the Government House, we will coordinate with the military ... who will aid us with some 1,600 military officers and we will have 1,300 more police officers as backup," Bangkok Metropolitan Police spokesman Gen. Suporn Pansuea said. - Associated Press / 2009-06-27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Supporters of ousted Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra gather as Thai demons during a rally Saturday, June 27, 2009, in Bangkok, Thailand. Demonstrators from the United Front of Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) are holding their first large rally since the political turmoil early this year. Associated Press Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insight Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 From was I read, the rally went something like... Veera - "Prem is a cun_t. We hate Prem. It's all Prem's fault. Blame it on Prem." Thaksin - "I'm going to ask for a pardon" No, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plus Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Reds are dressing up as demons??? >>> I was quite upset with incessant rains today until I logged back in on TV and remembered of the red demon rally. Gods never forget them, do they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helvetian Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 It is beyond my belief that he is still allowed to phone-in! Why would he not be allowed a phone-in? In a democracy anyone is allowed to freely speak his mind, no? I thought the current government was 'democratically elected'? Or at least a democratic coup or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 (edited) It is beyond my belief that he is still allowed to phone-in! Why would he not be allowed a phone-in? In a democracy anyone is allowed to freely speak his mind, no? I thought the current government was 'democratically elected'? Or at least a democratic coup or something like that. Never heard of a country before where a convict was or is allowed to make a phone-in at a public assembly or address the public via video link! Pls enlighten me with some solid information which countries (except Thailand) do allow this. I am eager to learn about. Anyway how was Gordon Brown elected? Edited June 27, 2009 by webfact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 For the next rally, maybe the police will outnumber the red supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 Reds rally in show of strength By THAWEEPORN KUMMETHA, PRAVIT ROJANAPHRUK THE NATION ON SUNDAY Published on June 28, 2009 Some 30,000 red shirts occupied half of Sanam Luang yesterday evening in a rally to remind Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva that they remained a threat to the coalition government. The Democratic Alliance Against Dictatorship (DAAD) protesters, who called for dissolution of the House and vowed to oust the government, were sent scampering by heavy rains at 5pm and again at 7.30pm. But even before the half-hour heavy downpour at 7.30, which was accompanied by lightning, the protesters had already made their point that the reds would not simply go away. "I came here to call for justice so there will be no more double standards [in politics] and real democracy," said 45-year-old Kanokrak Decharachata, a farmer from Phetchabun, who represented her family at the rally. "I am ashamed to be a Thai when we have military coups and then this kind of a government," she said, adding that her farming income was very low under the Abhisit administration. She said she had faith in ousted and convicted former premier Thaksin Shinawatra, who was scheduled to phone in to the crowd later in the evening. "No other prime minister has ever done as many good deeds as this one [Thaksin]." Toi, a 61-year-old merchant from Bangkok, believes the government will not last beyond year-end because the administration has not produced any concrete beneficial results and only borrows money. Toi said he was not sure how long the struggle would go on but he would continue until "justice is served". Other protesters refused to give interviews to The Nation, claiming the paper is biased. Jaranrak Visutphan, a 59-year-old computer-programmer from Bangkok, said the mainstream media distorted things, especially state-controlled Channel 11. "The red shirts won't win even if we oust Abhisit but fail to remove the military [from politics]." Some protesters held placards identifying their province of origin, and they came from all regions of the country. A group of red shirts distributed survey papers trying to find out the income levels of the protesters, which DAAD leaders they preferred and other details. Free papaya salad was distributed to hungry protesters while many of the food vendors wore red themselves. Prior to the rally, a DAAD leader expected some 30,000 people to show up, and the rally seemed to have achieved that objective. The morale of the protesters was high despite the bloody April riots, which failed to dislodge the government, and a leader on stage reminded them that victory was "imminent". "That victory will be ours is 100 per cent certain!" -- The Nation 2009/06/28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 (edited) Thaksin 'dying in the desert' Thaksin excerpted quotes: "We come here because we want to see real democracy. We hate injustice and double standards,'' Thaksin told the cheering red-clad crowd. "I am fine and doing some business and travelling around but I am really lonely, I want to go back,'' Thaksin said. "Why do you have to leave me dying in the desert when I can work for our country?" "This government is good for three things: borrowing, hiking taxes and hounding Thaksin," the exiled media tycoon said. Jatuporn quotes: "They (the government) hoped that they had wiped out the Red Shirts after the last crackdown but instead we are getting stronger and red over Thailand,'' said Jatuporn. - Bangkok Post / 2009-06-28 Edited June 27, 2009 by sriracha john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 (edited) Thaksin 'dying in the desert'Thaksin excerpted quotes: "We come here because we want to see real democracy. We hate injustice and double standards,'' Thaksin told the cheering red-clad crowd. "I am fine and doing some business and travelling around but I am really lonely, I want to go back,'' Thaksin said. "Why do you have to leave me dying in the desert when I can work for our country?" "This government is good for three things: borrowing, hiking taxes and hounding Thaksin," the exiled media tycoon said. Jatuporn quotes: "They (the government) hoped that they had wiped out the Red Shirts after the last crackdown but instead we are getting stronger and red over Thailand,'' said Jatuporn. - Bangkok Post / 2009-06-28 some remarks: "I am fine and doing some business and travelling around but I am really lonely, I want to go back,'' Thaksin said. he can go back to Thailand at any time! "Why do you have to leave me dying in the desert when I can work for our country?" so he is living in a tent in the desert without water and food? "This government is good for three things: borrowing, hiking taxes and hounding Thaksin," the exiled media tycoon said. it should read: the convict in hiding said.... I am speechless! Edited June 27, 2009 by webfact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted June 27, 2009 Share Posted June 27, 2009 excerpt from: Supporters of former prime minister rally in Bangkok One of the UDD's core leaders, Veera Musikapong, asked for the crowd's consent to collect a million signatures and petition revered King Bhumibol Adulyadej to clear Thaksin of wrongdoing and allow him to return from exile. The crowd clapped their hands and cheered in approval. ''NATIONAL RECONCILIATION'' ''You all know that I do not forget people who help me,'' Thaksin said in response. - Reuters / 2009-06-27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cayenne Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 some remarks:"I am fine and doing some business and travelling around but I am really lonely, I want to go back,'' Thaksin said. he can go back to Thailand at any time! "Why do you have to leave me dying in the desert when I can work for our country?" so he is living in a tent in the desert without water and food? "This government is good for three things: borrowing, hiking taxes and hounding Thaksin," the exiled media tycoon said. it should read: the convict in hiding said.... I am speechless! The sad thing is, too many reds won't understand the simplicity of your arguments in bold. They'll just blindly take Mr. T's words for granted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 For the next rally, maybe the police will outnumber the red supporters. At least with cumulative I.Q. points! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 (edited) some remarks:"I am fine and doing some business and travelling around but I am really lonely, I want to go back,'' Thaksin said. he can go back to Thailand at any time! "Why do you have to leave me dying in the desert when I can work for our country?" so he is living in a tent in the desert without water and food? "This government is good for three things: borrowing, hiking taxes and hounding Thaksin," the exiled media tycoon said. it should read: the convict in hiding said.... I am speechless! The sad thing is, too many reds won't understand the simplicity of your arguments in bold. They'll just blindly take Mr. T's words for granted. I will give Dr. T. a high mark for public relations manipulation. Even years on after his power peak, he still has many convinced he was a good guy and was fighting for them personally and never did ANYTHING wrong. It is theory out of Dictator Power Maintainence 101, blame some one else for everything wrong, and then hammer that point in for years on end. Take credit for anything good and hammer that message home. And block ANY competing messages absolutely. UDD, DAAD, Caravan of the Poor and others did that admirably up-country. Simplicity of arguement for sure... not rocket science, so why do so many uncritically buy this bunkum??? Goes to my I.Q. comments above, the under-informed can only base decisions on the mis-information they possess. They may or may not have the I.Q. to look and compare 'all available data' and make an INFORMED decision. There are many many I.Q. levels between MENSA and MORON, so this isn't saying Issan people are stupid per se, but that some people want to keep them 'effectively stupid' in a way thay makes them easily controllable. And this social malfeasance likely pertains to elements from BOTH sides of this power struggle... If they have been convinced all other sources are suspect, they cleave blindly to the one they think they trust. This inability to look beyond one source of information, and concurrent neglect in making a fully informed decision, goes to lack of foresight at best, delusion at worst, and likely lack of proper education in many cases... Not stupidity per se, but their abilities to make informed decisions likely are stifled by elements in the environment. 1 million red shirts in the country is still a tiny amount of the electorate and less of the country itself. Edited June 28, 2009 by animatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansnl Posted June 28, 2009 Share Posted June 28, 2009 Red-shirt leaders confirm plan to hold mass rally on SaturdayBANGKOK: -- The red-shirt leaders Wednesday confirmed their plan to hold a mass rally at Sanam Luang on Saturday. Speaking at a press conference, Veera Musigapong said the mass rally would start at 4 pm. Natthawut Saikua said the red-shirt people would reaffirm their intention to fight against the bureaucratic polity and to return democracy to the country. The rally will continue until 6 am on Sunday and the protesters would not move from Sanam Luang, Natthawut said. -- The Nation 2009-06-24 It goes on and on because the present government really does not have a mandate. This government has a legal mandate, a mandate like the one before. No party had more than 50% of the votes, which means that a combination of parties go for it it together by means of making compromises. The old one was abolished because the combination of parties lost the majority, and the new one could make a majority. So, this government has a mandate! By the way, have you any idea how many votes were given to every party? Look it up, surprising stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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