Thai Girl In Sweden And In A Mess!

[smellyskater]

Hi guys and gals,

I have a friend that has managed to get into a mess whilst away in Sweden and need some information. She is a 22 year old Thai. She is not married. She has a 9 month old baby with a man from Sweden. They are no longer together.

They felt that it would be better if the baby is to be brought up in Sweden by the father as the girl could not offer the same level of support and upbringing in Thailand. So they have gone back to Sweden together with the girl on a Schengen Visa of 3 months. She had planned on returning to Thailand. The Father has sponsored her for the visa saying that he will support her and provide flights and a place to stay etc. (she is staying with a friend of his – not him)

They have now fallen out to the point that they cannot talk like grownups. She now wants to take her baby back to Thailand with her. I would like any information on her rights to do so. The baby has a Swedish passport. Is there any way she can extend her visa or stay in Sweden?

She has also signed something. This was done at an office, I assume a solicitors. This was signed by both of them and a third person. What would this likely to be? She thinks it may be custody related but it was in Swedish which she does not speak!

Your help is greatly appreciated and I thank you for your time

Benson

[7by7]

I would suggest that as a matter of urgency she contacts a Thai Swedish translator and then a Swedish lawyer.

The Thai embassy in Stockholm may be able to help.

[borodave]

One of your friends problem, she is staying with one of his friends mmmmmmmmm sounds like you have a new girlfriend with a problem

I agree with 7by7 get in touch with the embassy, and find out what she signed to.

I think she can get out of that one as no translation paper was done and signed.

Edited June 28, 2009 by borodave

[smellyskater]

Thank you kindly for your suggestions. I looks like embassy contact and a solicitor is the way forward. If anyone has an idea about custody in Thailand / Sweden please post.

Regards

[Mario2008]

I understand that they were not married and the baby was born in Sweden. That means that according to Thai law the (ex) boyfriend is not considered the father, unless he registered the birth of the baby himself at the amphur. If someone else did that, he is not the father as far as the law concerns.

However, the mother signed something in Sweden. She doesn't know what it was, so it could be anything. She might have given costudy to the father. Seems she needs to find out what she signed. Seeing a lawyer of her won is highly advisable.

[norwayeagle]

Sadly there are quit a lot of Thai Womens in Scandinavia with this kind of problems,(and more)just spoke to 1 at the store in my small town (am back 4 holyday) Many of the men here dont treat them good.Also its alot of men who never would get a woman back home so they "import"..Sad,sad ,sad. Wish that Woman all the best and good luck.

[smellyskater]

The baby was born in Thailand and entered Sweden with a Thai passport. The grandmother of the baby registered the birth and put the name of the father as the Swedish chap. They have never married.

I think that the girl and the guy are another case of incompatibility regardless of the cultural issues involved. Disappointingly again the biggest loser will be the the child. Perhaps the guy had seen a sexy young lady and she had seen security and a better life; who knows? The issue is that she is in no way able to defend herself in this kind of situation and I think that she needs some help to make things fair and even.

Thanks again for all the suggestions.

[norwayeagle]

The baby was born in Thailand and entered Sweden with a Thai passport. The grandmother of the baby registered the birth and put the name of the father as the Swedish chap. They have never married.

I think that the girl and the guy are another case of incompatibility regardless of the cultural issues involved. Disappointingly again the biggest loser will be the the child. Perhaps the guy had seen a sexy young lady and she had seen security and a better life; who knows? The issue is that she is in no way able to defend herself in this kind of situation and I think that she needs some help to make things fair and even.

Thanks again for all the suggestions.

Yes .You have a job 2 do now Benson . Dont ever think of giving up pls! Respect and thoughts from ur Norwegian Neighbor.

[sunholidaysun1]

I would suggest the lady take herself and her baby to the Thai Embassy along with the passports and plane tickets if she has them. If there are no problems found for her to leave the country by the Embassy with her baby , I would get on the next plane out , pretty dam_n quick. You of course being the new friend - could go with her.

[ThaiVisaExpress]

I would suggest the lady take herself and her baby to the Thai Embassy along with the passports and plane tickets if she has them. If there are no problems found for her to leave the country by the Embassy with her baby , I would get on the next plane out , pretty dam_n quick. You of course being the new friend - could go with her.

[smellyskater]

I would suggest the lady take herself and her baby to the Thai Embassy along with the passports and plane tickets if she has them. If there are no problems found for her to leave the country by the Embassy with her baby , I would get on the next plane out , pretty dam_n quick. You of course being the new friend - could go with her.

Ha ha ha. I’m a new friend? I think I will remain in Turkey for my hassle free life and keep LOS for the xmas holiday. As attractive the chance of calamity is I think I will pass!

Humour aside, the father has the baby and I doubt that he will happily hand it over. Would the police have to intervene – obviously only if she can claim sole custody?

[Vang2x]

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Hi Benson,

Correct me if I'm wrong. Do you mean the couple met here in Thailand, lived together and had a baby OR sometime in the past they were in love when he visited Thailand, she got pregnant, the man was in Sweden and they weren't living together? (like accidental baby?)

After that,( in the thought that they were living together in here), they decided to go back to Sweden and with the woman having a three-month Schengen Visa.

"They felt that it would be better if the baby is to be brought up in Sweden by the father as the girl could not offer the same level of support and upbringing in Thailand. So they have gone back to Sweden together with the girl on a Schengen Visa of 3 months. She had planned on returning to Thailand. The Father has sponsored her for the visa saying that he will support her and provide flights and a place to stay etc. (she is staying with a friend of his – not him)"

The lines I highlighted makes me a little confuse if they have agreed that the father will raise the baby alone. As she had planned on returning to Thailand. It seems to my understanding that the Thai girl went to Sweden to send the baby to the father, right? I apologize for being thickheaded that's why I'm asking. I would assume too that things started to get wrong when they came in Sweden especially that she just stayed in his friend's house though he sponsored for the visa and the tickets. To cut the long story short, that made her change her mind of letting the baby raise in Sweden and yes, taking the baby back to Thailand, yeah?

Again, I'm wondering why there is a question of her extension of stay or visa in Sweden if she herself wants to take the baby back to Thailand. I figured she had signed something which she didn't understand and why did she sign anyway or at least asked for an explanation, it's a commonsense! Was she threatened? Don't get me wrong, but if they both believe first hand that the girl could not offer the same level of support and upbringing here in Thailand, it's a big question that the dispute of the parents in the period of time could change the mother's mind, I'm not sure but at least they could spend some time to talk things over for the baby. Three months is too soon for these things to happen. What was the agreement between the parents beforehand, yes, I mean before they went to Sweden? I just hope that both parents are putting the baby's situation above all.

Anyway, it's helpful that this issue has been put up, makes us see and realize lots of things. Both caution and warning:)

Lastly, it's clear that the Embassy of Thailand in Sweden is the most competent to offer some assistance to your friend, .................... while you can take the food and lodging, why not? . Good luck!

regards,

[jwicklund]

The baby was born in Thailand and entered Sweden with a Thai passport. The grandmother of the baby registered the birth and put the name of the father as the Swedish chap. They have never married.

I think that the girl and the guy are another case of incompatibility regardless of the cultural issues involved. Disappointingly again the biggest loser will be the the child. Perhaps the guy had seen a sexy young lady and she had seen security and a better life; who knows? The issue is that she is in no way able to defend herself in this kind of situation and I think that she needs some help to make things fair and even.

Thanks again for all the suggestions.

According to international law, if there is a dispute between two people of different citizenship, then the laws of the father's country take precendence. Whatever Sweden says concerning custody of the baby goes, basically.

If their relationship doesn't heal, then I feel the most for the poor baby. Every child needs a stable set of parents.

[smellyskater]

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Hi Benson,

Correct me if I'm wrong. Do you mean the couple met here in Thailand, lived together and had a baby OR sometime in the past they were in love when he visited Thailand, she got pregnant, the man was in Sweden and they weren't living together? (like accidental baby?)

After that,( in the thought that they were living together in here), they decided to go back to Sweden and with the woman having a three-month Schengen Visa.

"They felt that it would be better if the baby is to be brought up in Sweden by the father as the girl could not offer the same level of support and upbringing in Thailand. So they have gone back to Sweden together with the girl on a Schengen Visa of 3 months. She had planned on returning to Thailand. The Father has sponsored her for the visa saying that he will support her and provide flights and a place to stay etc. (she is staying with a friend of his – not him)"

The lines I highlighted makes me a little confuse if they have agreed that the father will raise the baby alone. As she had planned on returning to Thailand. It seems to my understanding that the Thai girl went to Sweden to send the baby to the father, right? I apologize for being thickheaded that's why I'm asking. I would assume too that things started to get wrong when they came in Sweden especially that she just stayed in his friend's house though he sponsored for the visa and the tickets. To cut the long story short, that made her change her mind of letting the baby raise in Sweden and yes, taking the baby back to Thailand, yeah?

Again, I'm wondering why there is a question of her extension of stay or visa in Sweden if she herself wants to take the baby back to Thailand. I figured she had signed something which she didn't understand and why did she sign anyway or at least asked for an explanation, it's a commonsense! Was she threatened? Don't get me wrong, but if they both believe first hand that the girl could not offer the same level of support and upbringing here in Thailand, it's a big question that the dispute of the parents in the period of time could change the mother's mind, I'm not sure but at least they could spend some time to talk things over for the baby. Three months is too soon for these things to happen. What was the agreement between the parents beforehand, yes, I mean before they went to Sweden? I just hope that both parents are putting the baby's situation above all.

Anyway, it's helpful that this issue has been put up, makes us see and realize lots of things. Both caution and warning:)

Lastly, it's clear that the Embassy of Thailand in Sweden is the most competent to offer some assistance to your friend, .................... while you can take the food and lodging, why not? . Good luck!

regards,

The input and suggestions have been good. Sincere thanks.

For clarity:

The father spends time between Thailand and Sweden. The girl has only a short time left on the visa and so would like an extension if possible to get things sorted out. She signed the unknown document after he allegedly said he would not give her any money for her or the baby whilst she stayed in Sweden. He is aware that she has neither money for her stay nor a ticket for the baby back to Thailand.

A time line of the ‘relationship’

Met (In Thailand)

Started a relationship.

Became pregnant by being careless.

Realised they were not meant to be.

Had the baby (In Thailand)

Continued for several months jointly raising the baby but not together.

Both decided the best option for the baby was a upbringing in Sweden by the father alone in Sweden. (I don’t think she would get a visa as poorly educated and not married. ?)

Father went to Sweden with the baby, Mother followed 2 weeks later with Schengen visa.

Further deterioration of relationship

Mother change mind and wants to take baby back to Thailand.

She says that they are unable to talk. I have asked that both need grow up and think about the baby but she insists this is not possible for them to talk in the same room. This state of relationship has developed since the birth.

Caution and warning indeed! Food maybe, lodgings – I’m 2000 kilometers away!

[torrenova]

I would suggest the lady take herself and her baby to the Thai Embassy along with the passports and plane tickets if she has them. If there are no problems found for her to leave the country by the Embassy with her baby , I would get on the next plane out , pretty dam_n quick. You of course being the new friend - could go with her.

You suggest taking the child away from the country that they both view as being best for the baby and giving custody to the less able partner ? That would be rather a poor situation for the child. The mother is only now wanting the child because they are arguing and I'll bet it is over money, most likely her "payoff" to walk away.

[Bobsyouruncle]

I would suggest the lady take herself and her baby to the Thai Embassy along with the passports and plane tickets if she has them. If there are no problems found for her to leave the country by the Embassy with her baby , I would get on the next plane out , pretty dam_n quick. You of course being the new friend - could go with her.

You suggest taking the child away from the country that they both view as being best for the baby and giving custody to the less able partner ? That would be rather a poor situation for the child. The mother is only now wanting the child because they are arguing and I'll bet it is over money, most likely her "payoff" to walk away.

We do not know the fathers side of the story.

Maybe the child is better off with him! who knows?

In these cases the matter is best dealt with in a court of law. I am sure whether in Sweden or in Thailand, the family law court will put what's best for the child first.

[Mario2008]

I would suggest the lady take herself and her baby to the Thai Embassy along with the passports and plane tickets if she has them. If there are no problems found for her to leave the country by the Embassy with her baby , I would get on the next plane out , pretty dam_n quick. You of course being the new friend - could go with her.

Ha ha ha. I'm a new friend? I think I will remain in Turkey for my hassle free life and keep LOS for the xmas holiday. As attractive the chance of calamity is I think I will pass!

Humour aside, the father has the baby and I doubt that he will happily hand it over. Would the police have to intervene – obviously only if she can claim sole custody?

according to Thai law the father didn't register the child and is legaly not considered the father. The mother has sole custody and can take the child away from the fahter, if necesarry with help of the police.

However, it is unclear what papers the mother signed. She might have signed papers that legitimises the father under Swedish law and might have given custody to the father. That she will have to find out.

[Vang2x]

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Hi Benson,

Correct me if I'm wrong. Do you mean the couple met here in Thailand, lived together and had a baby OR sometime in the past they were in love when he visited Thailand, she got pregnant, the man was in Sweden and they weren't living together? (like accidental baby?)

After that,( in the thought that they were living together in here), they decided to go back to Sweden and with the woman having a three-month Schengen Visa.

"They felt that it would be better if the baby is to be brought up in Sweden by the father as the girl could not offer the same level of support and upbringing in Thailand. So they have gone back to Sweden together with the girl on a Schengen Visa of 3 months. She had planned on returning to Thailand. The Father has sponsored her for the visa saying that he will support her and provide flights and a place to stay etc. (she is staying with a friend of his – not him)"

The lines I highlighted makes me a little confuse if they have agreed that the father will raise the baby alone. As she had planned on returning to Thailand. It seems to my understanding that the Thai girl went to Sweden to send the baby to the father, right? I apologize for being thickheaded that's why I'm asking. I would assume too that things started to get wrong when they came in Sweden especially that she just stayed in his friend's house though he sponsored for the visa and the tickets. To cut the long story short, that made her change her mind of letting the baby raise in Sweden and yes, taking the baby back to Thailand, yeah?

Again, I'm wondering why there is a question of her extension of stay or visa in Sweden if she herself wants to take the baby back to Thailand. I figured she had signed something which she didn't understand and why did she sign anyway or at least asked for an explanation, it's a commonsense! Was she threatened? Don't get me wrong, but if they both believe first hand that the girl could not offer the same level of support and upbringing here in Thailand, it's a big question that the dispute of the parents in the period of time could change the mother's mind, I'm not sure but at least they could spend some time to talk things over for the baby. Three months is too soon for these things to happen. What was the agreement between the parents beforehand, yes, I mean before they went to Sweden? I just hope that both parents are putting the baby's situation above all.

Anyway, it's helpful that this issue has been put up, makes us see and realize lots of things. Both caution and warning:)

Lastly, it's clear that the Embassy of Thailand in Sweden is the most competent to offer some assistance to your friend, .................... while you can take the food and lodging, why not? . Good luck!

regards,

The input and suggestions have been good. Sincere thanks.

For clarity:

The father spends time between Thailand and Sweden. The girl has only a short time left on the visa and so would like an extension if possible to get things sorted out. She signed the unknown document after he allegedly said he would not give her any money for her or the baby whilst she stayed in Sweden. He is aware that she has neither money for her stay nor a ticket for the baby back to Thailand.

A time line of the 'relationship'

Met (In Thailand)

Started a relationship.

Became pregnant by being careless.

Realised they were not meant to be.

Had the baby (In Thailand)

Continued for several months jointly raising the baby but not together.

Both decided the best option for the baby was a upbringing in Sweden by the father alone in Sweden. (I don't think she would get a visa as poorly educated and not married. ?)

Father went to Sweden with the baby, Mother followed 2 weeks later with Schengen visa.

Further deterioration of relationship

Mother change mind and wants to take baby back to Thailand.

She says that they are unable to talk. I have asked that both need grow up and think about the baby but she insists this is not possible for them to talk in the same room. This state of relationship has developed since the birth.

Caution and warning indeed! Food maybe, lodgings – I'm 2000 kilometers away!

Hi again, Benson!

Thanks much for expounding the subject and by providing more details. I think you are a very good friend as she can open up to you deeply despite the distance. Perhaps at some point in the past, the lady aspired to live in Sweden and may have thought that having a baby with a man from Sweden could be possibly attained through that. It's definitely a better life for her considering her status and as you mentioned, she's poorly educated. Do you mean she doesn't have any degree? On the other hand, regarding visa, I have no idea how does that affect her. Are there any Swedish around here? For sure they'd be generous enough to give you some words. ")

I figured too that the relationship turned sour after the birth and got worse when she came to Sweden. I think the man in some way don't really have the heart for her. The way I see it, he's just doing his obligation, responsibilities and letting himself BE A MAN on his action. Could be the reason also why he helped her come to his country. And I think he's thinking of the welfare of the baby by deciding to raise it himself. As I've heard, Sweden has a very good education system plus it is paid by taxes even up to university studies. ( wikipedia ) I'm thinking the baby will certainly have a good future in there. Would take a lot of hassles if it is back in Thailand as the baby has a Swedish passport not mentioning the mother's status quo. Unless she gets married with another man who can support her and her baby then she would be fine.

That's sad that they can no longer talk with each other, I wonder if email, messenger, sms, landline and mobile ( I won't mention the snail mail as it's outdated )are counted as they can't be in the same room. Kidding aside, it seems they both don't want to solve their own problems. Honestly speaking, the dilemma is with the two of them. That can be solved fast if they can just talk like adults, if they were able to put themeselves in that predicament then they should exert more effort to resolve or else the situation will get more complicated than it is. It is obviously a domestic problem and they should try to solve that communication issue first themeselves and they should come to an agreement to end the battle. Whether they like it or not, they are the parents of the child and obviously have to deal with each other in the future and there'll be never one if they can't settle things out at present.

It's pssible that they'd end up as friends OR iron things out and decide to marry (who knows?another change of mind may take place..). On the contrary, if they reconcile and just that, it is pointless as well to pressure them to get married for the sake of the child. That would be a great torture for all of them. If things get the worst, then both have to get their own lawyers. I wonder how does the law work for the child having a Swedish passport, I can imagine it's more likely to be bound to the Swedish Laws than the Thai Laws.

Lastly, okay, let's go back to you, aside from being a confidant you're generous as well.....naaaahhh...I'm not just talking about the FOOD of course, I mean the time and effort to do things for others. Don't worry about the LODGING, you can send the expense in any way you like. I understand, you're far and don't want her to be exhausted coming to your place. hehe

Thanks for the share........I mean, this post.

regards,

[CharlieB]

The baby was born in Thailand and entered Sweden with a Thai passport. The grandmother of the baby registered the birth and put the name of the father as the Swedish chap. They have never married.

I think that the girl and the guy are another case of incompatibility regardless of the cultural issues involved. Disappointingly again the biggest loser will be the the child. Perhaps the guy had seen a sexy young lady and she had seen security and a better life; who knows? The issue is that she is in no way able to defend herself in this kind of situation and I think that she needs some help to make things fair and even.

Thanks again for all the suggestions.

According to international law, if there is a dispute between two people of different citizenship, then the laws of the father's country take precendence. Whatever Sweden says concerning custody of the baby goes, basically.

If their relationship doesn't heal, then I feel the most for the poor baby. Every child needs a stable set of parents.

I think you are incorrect here. According to the Hague Convention on Jurisdiction, Applicable Law, Recognition, Enforcement and Cooperation in Respect of Parental Responsibility and Measures for the Protection of Children, adopted October 19, 1996 (Hague Convention on the Protection of Minors) the childs habitual country of residence laws should take precedence. I believe that 'habitual country of residence' in this case will mean the country that the child has the most personal ties to, or the country the child has spent the most time in. Unfortunately, while many countries have signed up to this Hague Convention, which attempts to help in cases of international child custody, Thailand hasn't. So, I would say that Sweden's courts will take precedence now as this is where both parents and the child are located at the moment.

[DtemJai]

Hmmmmmmmmmm, very fishy story indeed, I surely believe this is lies & lies from the service girl, which was in the industry in Thailand, when this Swedish guy was R&R properly in Pattaya. Just do a DNA check and you will see what I talking about, 19 years young girl get pregnant with a tourist guy, and not done an abortion there. Never heard any like this b4. IMO, see will just keep doing what see know best [money stories] in more formal way in Sweden. That's the reason she want to stay in Sweden, I guess, Sorry if I offended anyone. Bye Bye, lucky new B/F.

[PoorSucker]

1. She files for sole custody.

2. Because her baby has Swedish passport, she gets permanent residency.

3. With permanent residency social security will provide her with home, furniture, and a check every month.

4. Swedish courts will give her sole custody, in Sweden the female gets it 99% of the time.

5. She sends a check to Isssan every month paid by Swedish taxpayers.

[alyx]

1. She files for sole custody.

2. Because her baby has Swedish passport, she gets permanent residency.

3. With permanent residency social security will provide her with home, furniture, and a check every month.

4. Swedish courts will give her sole custody, in Sweden the female gets it 99% of the time.

5. She sends a check to Isssan every month paid by Swedish taxpayers.

Well that sounds correct (I would have a reserve for point 4)

I am surprised by the fact that no one has suggested that the paper she has signed might not be valid as she seems not to have understood its content (I am pretty sure , if that is the fact indeed, that her signature is void as the document would not hold in court)

[mrbojangles]

Well that sounds correct (I would have a reserve for point 4)

I am surprised by the fact that no one has suggested that the paper she has signed might not be valid as she seems not to have understood its content (I am pretty sure , if that is the fact indeed, that her signature is void as the document would not hold in court)

We don't know the full in's and out's of the "paper" she signed. But I'm pretty sure a Lawyer would be duty bound and possibly legally bound, to ensure she fully understood what it was she was signing. In Thailand maybe not but in Europe, I would think so.

[alyx]

We don't know the full in's and out's of the "paper" she signed. But I'm pretty sure a Lawyer would be duty bound and possibly legally bound, to ensure she fully understood what it was she was signing. In Thailand maybe not but in Europe, I would think so.

My point exactly

[CharlieB]

1. She files for sole custody.

2. Because her baby has Swedish passport, she gets permanent residency.

3. With permanent residency social security will provide her with home, furniture, and a check every month.

4. Swedish courts will give her sole custody, in Sweden the female gets it 99% of the time.

5. She sends a check to Isssan every month paid by Swedish taxpayers.

Well that sounds correct (I would have a reserve for point 4)

I am surprised by the fact that no one has suggested that the paper she has signed might not be valid as she seems not to have understood its content (I am pretty sure , if that is the fact indeed, that her signature is void as the document would not hold in court)

I think the general advice given to people signing legal paperwork is to get the paperwork looked at by their own legal rep before signing. On this basis it may be 'buyer beware' legal basis that if you were daft enough to sign something you didn't understand, then you get what you deserve. Unless we have any Swedish legal experts on here it's all just speculation.

[smellyskater]

Well that sounds correct (I would have a reserve for point 4)

I am surprised by the fact that no one has suggested that the paper she has signed might not be valid as she seems not to have understood its content (I am pretty sure , if that is the fact indeed, that her signature is void as the document would not hold in court)

I think the general advice given to people signing legal paperwork is to get the paperwork looked at by their own legal rep before signing. On this basis it may be 'buyer beware' legal basis that if you were daft enough to sign something you didn't understand, then you get what you deserve. Unless we have any Swedish legal experts on here it's all just speculation.

But you are not a bullied uneducated Thai. It would also be prudent for a man in Thailand to wear a condom!

I think that we have determined it was a custody agreement that was signed. An extension of the visa has also been applied for.

Following up on the great advice from the intelligent posts here it seems she may be allowed to stay in Sweden if the baby has been registered and holds a Swedish passport. Personally I think that is ludicrous. If that was common knowledge amongst young Thai ladies perhaps we would find more on the scam to get there. I have asked the girl if she feels that it is fair to have her life paid for by a government she has never paid tax to and have them support her and her child. It is just isn’t comprehensible in true Thai style. However I am happy that the child will hopefully have both parents present in its childhood.

Thanks to 99% of the people here and the enlightening debates. I’ll let you know the final outcome if there is one!

[DaleBlue]

Poor child.

Why can't adults be more responsible for their actions and creation.

That why I strongly believe that sex is for love, not for fun, and should never be for money.

Edited July 6, 2009 by DaleBlue

[CharlieB]

Well that sounds correct (I would have a reserve for point 4)

I am surprised by the fact that no one has suggested that the paper she has signed might not be valid as she seems not to have understood its content (I am pretty sure , if that is the fact indeed, that her signature is void as the document would not hold in court)

I think the general advice given to people signing legal paperwork is to get the paperwork looked at by their own legal rep before signing. On this basis it may be 'buyer beware' legal basis that if you were daft enough to sign something you didn't understand, then you get what you deserve. Unless we have any Swedish legal experts on here it's all just speculation.

But you are not a bullied uneducated Thai. It would also be prudent for a man in Thailand to wear a condom!

I think that we have determined it was a custody agreement that was signed. An extension of the visa has also been applied for.

Following up on the great advice from the intelligent posts here it seems she may be allowed to stay in Sweden if the baby has been registered and holds a Swedish passport. Personally I think that is ludicrous. If that was common knowledge amongst young Thai ladies perhaps we would find more on the scam to get there. I have asked the girl if she feels that it is fair to have her life paid for by a government she has never paid tax to and have them support her and her child. It is just isn't comprehensible in true Thai style. However I am happy that the child will hopefully have both parents present in its childhood.

Thanks to 99% of the people here and the enlightening debates. I'll let you know the final outcome if there is one!

Laws in most countries are black and white, they make no distinction for levels of intelligence, unless that person has been declared legally incompetent, ie too mentally deficient to choose for themselves. In general, if you are uneducated then there are legal means to get a solicitor/lawyer to examine documents before you sign them. These are the kind of people who do need to have a legal rep examine papers before signing.

I am not saying this girl wasn't 'forced' to sign, but that is now her word against the father and his lawyer. If she was in any way suspicious or uncomfortable with signing the paper, then she shouldn't have signed. Her not signing was not going to get her in any worse position than she is now, with all funding withdrawn by the father and living on the charity of friends.

[CWMcMurray]

For all we know, the father could be an upstanding gentlman who only wishes to keep custody of his child.

It sounds a bit odd that this "horible man" would want to keep and raise this child just to get back at the mother. Generally Men just aren't wired that way...

I would argue if he really was a "Horible man", the most likely senerio would be him trying to get the wife and kid on a plane as fast as possible and get them back to Thailand were there are no "Child Support Laws".

[hhgz]

"I think that we have determined it was a custody agreement that was signed. "

The Thai woman was of legal age when she signed it and, if she didn't understand what it was, she could have refused to sign it. How much trouble would it have been to ask her BF, "What am I signing?"