What Changes Would You Like Seen Made To The Thai Constitution?

[thailandlover]

I would be interested in hearing what people living in Thailand would like to see changed in the Constitution? What kinds of changes are necessary and what needs to be removed?

[Maizefarmer]

Great subject - but I'd be suprized if its gets to the bottom of the screen without been closed down - for example:

Chapter 1, Paragraph 1, Page 1, Line 1 - there will be no coup to change an elected government - end of story.

This practise of the army stepping in and throwing elected PM's out every time they are unhappy is a no no .....

... and heres the problem. Coups never take place unless .... and that subject is big time taboo ... so I am afraid I don't see this subject going far!

[emancipationthailand]

Anyone remember the first thing the military did after staging the Coup? ... The transition of the 2 offices which were holding power? About the biggest name was later removed and was make silenced? How about extremely quickly to deals with lottery/liqueur? What about taking over all the major State Enterprises and turn most of them into profit losing?

[trd]

Bit of a pointless discussion. You're a foreign guest here. You cannot participate in local politics. End of story.

[remy1960]

About the biggest name was later removed and was make silenced? How about extremely quickly to deals with lottery/liqueur?

English translation please!!

[emancipationthailand]

About the biggest name was later removed and was make silenced? How about extremely quickly to deals with lottery/liqueur?

English translation please!!

Okay, i'll fix the problem then

.... About the biggest name was later removed and was make silenced? How about extremely quickly to deals with lottery/liqueur? >>>

In the earliest days after the September 19th coup, the dictators had dubbed the commanding office a different name, then changed the name later to CNC (as i recall) and also remove Gen.Prem Tinnasulanonnda out of the key member's list. I am amazed with how the yellow shirt deny this fact in outrage even there were numbers of official announcements broadcasted on all TV stations/radia channels. Also, the first things the dictators had done which aren't rationnalely logical at all, are promptly changes of regulations for the local tradings of alchohol and lottery products, instead of focusing on issues that they used to claimed justifications to stage the coup.

IS THAT A BIT CLEARER?

[emancipationthailand]

Bit of a pointless discussion. You're a foreign guest here. You cannot participate in local politics. End of story.

Can't we agree that, to truly discuss on a delicate topics such as Thai politics. we'll need to see the POVs from the local native too, minding that there won't be much problems on the communication. I also insist that being able to read Thai is a great attribution to make any fair judgements in disscussions, as there are more than a thousands folds of local documents on Thai politics.

[Bobsyouruncle]

About the biggest name was later removed and was make silenced? How about extremely quickly to deals with lottery/liqueur?

English translation please!!

Okay, i'll fix the problem then

.... About the biggest name was later removed and was make silenced? How about extremely quickly to deals with lottery/liqueur? >>>

In the earliest days after the September 19th coup, the dictators had dubbed the commanding office a different name, then changed the name later to CNC (as i recall) and also remove Gen.Prem Tinnasulanonnda out of the key member's list. I am amazed with how the yellow shirt deny this fact in outrage even there were numbers of official announcements broadcasted on all TV stations/radia channels. Also, the first things the dictators had done which aren't rationnalely logical at all, are promptly changes of regulations for the local tradings of alchohol and lottery products, instead of focusing on issues that they used to claimed justifications to stage the coup.

IS THAT A BIT CLEARER?

Good post!

This man knows what he is talking about.

[Ferwert]

I would be interested in hearing what people living in Thailand would like to see changed in the Constitution? What kinds of changes are necessary and what needs to be removed?

When we speak of constitutional reform, I am mindful of two constitutions. The first one is a 1997 constitution which I understand was constructed in the most democratic way possible and had widespread support. The second constitution was one promulgated by the military during their coup years. This latter constitution is invalid based on it's origins. Any tampering with an invalid constitution is meaningless. Regardless, there is no representative, democratic Government with electoral authority and mandate to undertake Constitutional reform. After a fair and transparent election returns a representative Government with a popular mandate to govern, only then would a Government have the authority to undertake weighty matters such as constitutional reform. Only then would a Government have the credibility to deal with this problem of two constitutions - one invalid and the legitimate one not in force at the moment. All constitutional matters should be shelved until after the next election.

[emancipationthailand]

About the biggest name was later removed and was make silenced? How about extremely quickly to deals with lottery/liqueur?

English translation please!!

Okay, i'll fix the problem then

.... About the biggest name was later removed and was make silenced? How about extremely quickly to deals with lottery/liqueur? >>>

In the earliest days after the September 19th coup, the dictators had dubbed the commanding office a different name, then changed the name later to CNC (as i recall) and also remove Gen.Prem Tinnasulanonnda out of the key member's list. I am amazed with how the yellow shirt deny this fact in outrage even there were numbers of official announcements broadcasted on all TV stations/radia channels. Also, the first things the dictators had done which aren't rationnalely logical at all, are promptly changes of regulations for the local tradings of alchohol and lottery products, instead of focusing on issues that they used to claimed justifications to stage the coup.

IS THAT A BIT CLEARER?

Good post!

This man knows what he is talking about.

Thank you very much.

Also, i'm sorry for the hard toning of my posts, as i just got a warning from a fellow mod.

T_T

[Who, me ?]

this topic is just band with wastage. It is definitely as useful as a handbrake on a canoe! One thing is absolutely clear. Whatever change you might think of will be just a dream. You are a foreigner, and none of the politic matters is of your concern. The immigration and labor laws are what might effect your life, and even for that, Thai will do without your advice!

[oldsparrow]

As a Thai I propose a change of certain point that always leads to hot discussion.

The amendment should be:

"Personal security being necessary to the security of a free society, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."

[PoorSucker]

How about following the men women equal in the present constitution.

Especially at extension of stay based on marriage.

[Ferwert]

this topic is just band with wastage. It is definitely as useful as a handbrake on a canoe! One thing is absolutely clear. Whatever change you might think of will be just a dream. You are a foreigner, and none of the politic matters is of your concern. The immigration and labor laws are what might effect your life, and even for that, Thai will do without your advice!

I agree, that if Farangs want to get involved in Politics, do so in your home country, not a country in which you are living as a guest. However, that doesn't mean they aren't interested in Politics, are keen observers of the political process and like to expend hot air pontificating on all its' intricacies. Obviously Thailand would be of major interest considering their residence. I have a keen interest in Ukrainian, Canadian, American, and British politics, even though I have no voice in it and are not affected by it. There is even a name for us types - political junkies.

[emancipationthailand]

^^

On the flip side, is there a serious concern on the improper/unjusted contexts on the immigration and labor laws pertaining to foreigners? I thought it was the serious political problems that push the envelope the public outcry to call for a major constitutional's movement.

Ummmm, wierd sentense. ><

[chiangmaibruce]

How about following the men women equal in the present constitution.

Especially at extension of stay based on marriage.

And that would be my first concern. The Constitution is meant to be the ultimate law in Thailand, and which over-rides all other laws:

Section 6. The Constitution is the supreme law of the State. The provisions of any law, rule or regulation, which are contrary to or inconsistent with this Constitution, shall be unenforceable.

In actual fact I would suggest that there are many policies, procedures, and entrenched practices that are not consistent with the Constitution. Anyone can take an action to the Constitutional Court but even when something is found to be unconstitutional, the response seems to be one of inaction/indifference.

My second concern, and which I have already raised in an earlier thread, is that the "rights" section of the Constitution (Part 3) limits all these rights to Thai citizens alone (i.e. they are not extended to everyone in the country ... like tourists, expats, refugees, etc)

http://www.senate.go.th/th_senate/English/...itution2007.pdf

[zzaa09]

I would be interested in hearing what people living in Thailand would like to see changed in the Constitution? What kinds of changes are necessary and what needs to be removed?

A Constitution that reflects Thai/Asian standards and concepts - not a Western make-over.

[majorpacman]

Forget it, you don't need to change the Thai constitution, because the problems is with the people and culture.

You got older people or senior that abuses their power while using the thai politeness. Behind all that is just scam and crooks.

You got people in gov, rich, power, etc....people in power tends will corrupt. If you are poor and need money...if gov official give you money to do something would you do it? for me, i would...since i need to have food in my mouth and feed my family. In addition, you got the buddy system where if someone know one another they will help each other out.

You got a case on a high ranking official and instead of them putting to trial, they will be move to different post. sigh.

that justice for in thailand, while the poor ....get slam behind the bangkok hilton around the country.

Thaksin got away from many things because his thugs still in office, not only him you got other fools from past govs and in the future they will do the country to doom.

Basically, it goes something in the end like this in the end, Thai Scams Thai.

Don't get me wrong there still good people in thailand, but not enough. Changing the constitution doesn't do crap, there are still holes. Like any other constitutions out there in other countries. It a piece of paper, only a foundation of a house. If you don't have the building woods, and other materials to build a house....it's nothing, absolute zero.

[oldsparrow]

I would be interested in hearing what people living in Thailand would like to see changed in the Constitution? What kinds of changes are necessary and what needs to be removed?

A Constitution that reflects Thai/Asian standards and concepts - not a Western make-over.

The final answer for 90% of TV topic !!!

...as most expat poster believe that the Thai/Asian standard, concept and culture are the root of all problems in their lives ...in Thailand.

[zzaa09]

I would be interested in hearing what people living in Thailand would like to see changed in the Constitution? What kinds of changes are necessary and what needs to be removed?

A Constitution that reflects Thai/Asian standards and concepts - not a Western make-over.

The final answer for 90% of TV topic !!!

...as most expat poster believe that the Thai/Asian standard, concept and culture are the root of all problems in their lives ...in Thailand.

Might be easier to suggest that most expats don't have the ability to recoginze what or what isn't a problem. Largely disconnected and disengaged.

[classix]

this topic is just band with wastage. It is definitely as useful as a handbrake on a canoe! One thing is absolutely clear. Whatever change you might think of will be just a dream. You are a foreigner, and none of the politic matters is of your concern. The immigration and labor laws are what might effect your life, and even for that, Thai will do without your advice!

I agree, that if Farangs want to get involved in Politics, do so in your home country, not a country in which you are living as a guest. However, that doesn't mean they aren't interested in Politics, are keen observers of the political process and like to expend hot air pontificating on all its' intricacies. Obviously Thailand would be of major interest considering their residence. I have a keen interest in Ukrainian, Canadian, American, and British politics, even though I have no voice in it and are not affected by it. There is even a name for us types - political junkies.

We all from earth.One passport ,one currency and comon religion.see europe .us,burma is last.poor guys need to wait till old boyz leave office.the youth ofTHAIlAND will join the international comunity they are alright.i only hope they dont need to fight to get a beer in a karaoke by then.Things take time Thai will do fine great country and poeple.