Appeal Court Cuts British Paedophile

[Peewee]

Robert Wood sentenced to 30 years in Thailand and David Leach, his friend, was tried for similar offences in the UK.  Anyone know if he has been sentenced yet? - bet he only gets a quarter of his mates punishment.

Given these guys don't usually get cured - I think the Thai's have it right.

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http://www.thisisbradford.co.uk/bradford__...news03.int.html

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There we go then .... 55 months and he will be out and about in 2 years or so!

I also had to be sick when I read his brief said he was of previous good character - he means he has not been caught before.

Given the seriousness of the crime - 55 Months!?!?

[Darkling]

I'm surprised nobody commented on the headline.

First thing that occurred to me:  "cut" is slang for circumcise.  I wondered why a court would be circumcising a paedophile?

BTW, paedophile is not in my dictionary.  I guess perhaps it's a British spelling.  I've always seen it as pedophile.

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Why worry about the spelling, its topping they need. Thats another English term.

[Darkling]

OK. First let me say that I am not a pedophile of any persuasion, and I do not support their activities. Now that that is out of the way, here is my question: How do you 'trick' teenage boys into having sex with you? [Rhetorical question: not asking for pointers!] Although it has been some time since I was a teenage boy, it is difficult for me to imagine any circumstances under which I could have been 'tricked' into sex with a man. Perhaps that was just a face-saving phrase to cover for the fact that those boys more than likely were quite willing participants.

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"Willing" is a question of definition. "Needed the money" is more close to the truth.

Not that I know the circumstances of your upbringing, but I think it is very difficult from somebody from a welfare state to fully understand what it feels like to be miserably poor.

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Thanks for that,i am still seathing at that idiots comments to make a valid point myself.

[dr_Pat_Pong]

I'm surprised nobody commented on the headline.

First thing that occurred to me:  "cut" is slang for circumcise.  I wondered why a court would be circumcising a paedophile?

BTW, paedophile is not in my dictionary.  I guess perhaps it's a British spelling.  I've always seen it as pedophile.

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Denutting might be a better way to go.

[Anon999]

that's a little harsh. not one to be pedantic... unsure.gif but to refer to foot it would have to be pedi-, and not pedo-. also, the oxford dictionary recognises pedo- as US spelling of paedo-.

Looking in the Chambers dictionary it says 'pedo- see paedo. The only other words beginning 'pedo' are pedology which is the study of soils and pedometer for measuring distance walked.

As far as tricking boys into sex acts is concerned the clergy seem to have succeeded at it for centuries.

[pwills]

I agree with all your comments the days of paedophiles coming here for "pleasure" are long gone thank God

[jaloochapurr]

Robert Wood sentenced to 30 years in Thailand and David Leach, his friend, was tried for similar offences in the UK.  Anyone know if he has been sentenced yet? - bet he only gets a quarter of his mates punishment.

Given these guys don't usually get cured - I think the Thai's have it right.

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A man who sexually abused young boys and put pictures of them on the internet has been jailed for 55 months.

[Krub]

There is no excuse for any sexual activity with underage kids.

It is sad but unfortunately easy to 'trick' kids for material rewards especially kids from economicaly poor background. This is true the world over.

It seems to be easier in Asia where children feel the responsibility to look after their parents/elders

These peadophiles should be made to work for the poor (under stricked supervision) and never be let out free into any community.

Prison is costly to society and a luxury for them

[Shugun]

for a pedo he is a little young! or? Why all these guys come to Thailand !

[No beleeeeve!]

Yes, the age of the perp is quite young. Typically, we don't see the exhibition of this behavior until older. THe reason is most of the pedo's don't actually get caught until they have offended for years.

Yes, it is pretty much accurate to say there is no real "cure" for a true pedophile. Treatment and management are a best case scenario.

What is puzzling is the extent of the financial aspect of this crime (not sure what is is in this case). Most pedophiles molest their victims because the young children are the only age group they can become sexually aroused by. Trading/posting pictures is often the byproduct activity meant to engage the primary activity of arousal. If this 26 year old was having sex with 16 year olds to primarily make money off them and for them, it isn't so clear of a picture (still wrong and NOT justifying it, so don't go there).

He did illegal acts nonetheless and deserves the harshest of punishments, but this is an interesting case from a clinical standpoint. Also from a legal one because the law often uses intent to define the crime.

No matter what the intent, the guy was wrong, wrong, wrong. That much is clear.

It was a bit unsettling when I meet a couple guys (in their late 30's/early 40's) in BKK who bragged about their trips to Cambodia and the fourteen year olds they "spent time with." They toned it down after I mentioned I am a clinical psychotherapist and that in my field we call them pedophiles. A buzz kill for them at that point no doubt.

And when asked I say that Michael Jackson is textbook case of a pedophile. If he was "Charley" the mechanic from down the street, the locals would have already burned down his house.

[carlthailand]

and then

there are the UN workers in Congo. I think thats the African country. They are basically doing the same.

So much happens in the poor countries because of their need for food etc.

Its so sad people take advantage of this. Wheres the HUMANITY!!!!

His mate should get extredited from the U.K.

Anyway enuff. Sick Sick Sick.

Nomad

[toastwars]

I'm surprised nobody commented on the headline.

First thing that occurred to me:  "cut" is slang for circumcise.  I wondered why a court would be circumcising a paedophile?

BTW, paedophile is not in my dictionary.  I guess perhaps it's a British spelling.  I've always seen it as pedophile.

if thats your understanding of cut you must be spending more time in gay bars than you do in the kitchen.

And yes it is the British spelling it comes from the Greek paedo=child phile=lover

and is the correct spelling..why do you chaps from over "there" love to draw attention to your ignorance of your native language?

[The_Eye_Of_Sauron]

My 15 year old son has a 13 year old girlfriend.

Does this make him a peedo ? - The fiend. I'll cut 'is bleedin' nuts off.

(When he's 20 and she's 18 i'll sew them on again)

[mcfester]

OK. First let me say that I am not a pedophile of any persuasion, and I do not support their activities. Now that that is out of the way, here is my question: How do you 'trick' teenage boys into having sex with you? [Rhetorical question: not asking for pointers!] Although it has been some time since I was a teenage boy, it is difficult for me to imagine any circumstances under which I could have been 'tricked' into sex with a man. Perhaps that was just a face-saving phrase to cover for the fact that those boys more than likely were quite willing participants.

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"Willing" is a question of definition. "Needed the money" is more close to the truth.

Not that I know the circumstances of your upbringing, but I think it is very difficult from somebody from a welfare state to fully understand what it feels like to be miserably poor.

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Thanks for that,i am still seathing at that idiots comments to make a valid point myself.

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Taken from http://www.thisisbradford.co.uk/bradford__...news03.int.html

"In interview, Leach admitted being associated with a man from Halifax called Wood, whom he had met on the internet. He told officers he had received porn from Wood and went with him to Milton Keynes where an eight-year-old boy was sexually abused.

In October 2002 they both went to live in Thailand and several children - including a boy aged seven and another aged 11 - were invited into their home and abused."

I don't think any boy aged 7 would be a 'willing' participant no matter how much money he needed, not even an eleven year old would be a 'willing' participant.

[Bryan in Isaan]

More ammunition for Thaksin's clampdown on sex tourists. No wonder the Thai's have a negative view of farangs. Let's face it, they are such moral people and don't have paedophiles in their society (yeah right)

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Yeah Right. There is a case going on now about a Thai man (60+ yrs old) in an isaan village who has been abusing/raping girls from his village as young as 7 or 8 yrs old. He and his accusors have all been questioned by police and he is still free, in his village, and threatening the victims and witnesses.

This is not just an extortion case. There was some very accurate, distinct descriptions of his private parts and the family put up 400k bail. I know because one of the victims is a relative.

I'll bet most people have not heard of this case.

[The_Eye_Of_Sauron]

Paedophilia is society's problem, - it isn't a pressing problem for paedophiles themselves. (who presumably think that its all frightfully nice).

Society tries to raise sexuality taboos or legislation (even common sense measures) at the same time as the media is extolling Britney showing off her hooters in school uniform, or 'Barely Legal' mags, or schoolgirl websites.

The sexualization of children is here. I don't know how the genie can be put back in the bottle.

I think the problem and solution is bigger than the severing of nuts.

[sajope]

Death sentence would be appropriate!

[The_Eye_Of_Sauron]

Anyone see the new advertising for Christian Lacroix kids clothing line on the back of yesterday's Herald Tribune?

Its a child - about 8 years old, done up in alluring make-up, pouting and arching in a sort of 'straddle' position.

...and it not just me imagining it ! Its pretty clear what the creative brief was from the advertising agency.

Irresponsible advertising - sure it doesn't excuse paedophile activity - but it doesn't help if society's aim is to de-sexualize children.

[phazey]

Cut the nonces &lt;deleted&gt; of then send him into a room full of well armed mothers.

[Diggerbasher]

Hopefully one day soon Mr Thaksin will anounce a crack down on paedophiles.

[The_Moog]

Hopefully one day soon Mr Thaksin will anounce a crack down on paedophiles.

Thats probably the only way to go here - deterrence. Long jail sentences with Hard Labour - and no extradition for serving sentences abroad.

Also though, a Bar Owner that hires an under-18 should be subject to the same penalties - irrespective of his claim that 'he didn't know her/his age'.

What do you think? ie clamping down on the 'supply-side'

[Laulen]

I have heard of the 60+ 'German' man living in the Issan village molesting and raping girls in the locality. He is apparently disabled and has acted since his arrest and subsequent bail with quite a lot of aggression towards any reporters and TV news crews.

It makes life all the more difficult for any genuine 'farangs' living in Thailand who obviously look different to the locals.

For an interesting observation on human nature and human sexuality try reading this book, 'The Eternal Child' by Clive Bromhall.

It is an easy read, and one of those 'hard-to-put-down' books. It has some interesting sections on paedophilia and why people act they way they do, without in any way condoning this behaviour.

For more information on this paperback book look at Amazon Books

[treehouse]

he does not need a reduction in his sentence. Child molesters need to be locked up where they can't do any harm to anyone else, ever.

[treehouse]

we have to deal with kids who have been victims of incest, rape, molestation, parents with aids, those who have been abandoned and the schools are full of these poor kids

[The_Moog]

the schools are full of these poor kids

Presumably not all molested by westerners.

In fact, isn't it true to say that this type of Farang case is the snowflake on the tip of the iceberg in South East Asia?

How about also jailing the parents who don't give a rat's ass and think they can merchandise their children, the bar owners and brothel-keeps and Mama Sans.

Eliminating supply will thwart those with demand.

Every time on TV, these identikit stories produce the same reaction. Lets read about some cases of Thais in trouble with the Laws on child abuse for a change and to give some balance.

Edited March 3, 2005 by The_Moog

[toastwars]

we have to deal with kids who have been victims of incest, rape, molestation, parents with aids, those who have been abandoned and the schools are full of these poor kids

I thik that maybe you are missing the point that most of these guys appearing now are also victims of abuse as children, I am not excusing their behavior but if this crime was not treated in such an over the top agressive way so that even the victim feels "dirty" then maybe we could get somewhere in preventing further suffering in the future. I agree it is an emotive issue but is not helped in the slightest by media hype and public overeaction. This just alienates victims and prevents them seeking counciling and support. just a thought for all you reactionarys out there.

[Abandon]

Yes, the age of the perp is quite young.  Typically, we don't see the exhibition of this behavior until older.  THe reason is most of the pedo's don't actually get caught until they have offended for years.

Yes, it is pretty much accurate to say there is no real "cure" for a true pedophile.  Treatment and management are a best case scenario. 

What is puzzling is the extent of the financial aspect of this crime (not sure what is is in this case).  Most pedophiles molest their victims because the young children are the only age group they can become sexually aroused by.  Trading/posting pictures is often the byproduct activity meant to engage the primary activity of arousal.  If this 26 year old was having sex with 16 year olds to primarily make money off them and for them, it isn't so clear of a picture (still wrong and NOT justifying it, so don't go there).

He did illegal acts nonetheless and deserves the harshest of punishments, but this is an interesting case from a clinical standpoint.  Also from a legal one because the law often uses intent to define the crime. 

No matter what the intent, the guy was wrong, wrong, wrong.  That much is clear.

It was a bit unsettling when I meet a couple guys (in their late 30's/early 40's) in BKK who bragged about their trips to Cambodia and the fourteen year olds they "spent time with."  They toned it down after I mentioned I am a clinical psychotherapist and that in my field we call them pedophiles.  A buzz kill for them at that point no doubt.

And when asked I say that Michael Jackson is textbook case of a pedophile.  If he was "Charley" the mechanic from down the street, the locals would have already burned down his house.

Good post - I was thinking of posting something reasonable myself, but when people are set on a witch hunt, can be best to keep quiet.

I did wonder the severity of what they had done, especially for the guy in uk to get such a light sentance. There's a huge difference between taking a nud_e photo and anal rape. We don't really know what it is they did, and so before we say shooting is too good for them we should have the details. Granted that they would likely have 'progressed' to more serious things, but you cannot put someone in jail for life on the basis of what he might have done in the future. It is like jailing a drunk because he might try and drink-drive someday.

Futhermore witch hunting paedophiles, only serves to drive the offenders deeper underground, instead of encouraging them to seek help. For every offender there are lots more who have the same urge, but are horrified by it, and never commit an offense. Recognising problems can help people come forward and seek help, or control themselves.

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Paedophilia is society's problem, - it isn't a pressing problem for paedophiles themselves. (who presumably think that its all frightfully nice).

I cannot agree. Most such offenders are extremely afraid and embarrassed of their nature. What people find sexually attractive is really beyond control. Imagine if your love of women was directed at minors - through no design of your own - it would ruin your life. The only real solution is to try and acknowledge the problem of the mind, and prevent immoral behaviour that it can cause. Anyone who has worked with patients who have serious disorders, gains a certain sympathy and desire to make constructive help rather than witch hunting. Transexuals are an example of such. Once it was regarded as being your own choice what you find attractive, but now is recognised as a serious cause of suffering, so much so that the NHS even gives sex changes free (with many safeguards and limitations)

Guess I'd best stop here as I suspect that my view will gain no sympathy here.

Edited March 3, 2005 by pandit35

[chai2547]

I'd be happy to see him burned at the stake.

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That is too lenient for him.

Better if he is sodomised by other convicts in jail , caught HIV and died in prison.

Otherwise, how could he compensate for the psycological damage he caused to those boys?.

[The_Moog]

Better if he is sodomised by other convicts in jail , caught HIV and died in prison

Everyone taking this line is just coming up with the same old crud - parrot fashion.

You live in a society where a Sugar Daddy with a girlfriend 15 yrs 363 days is to be castrated and a Sugar Daddy with a girlfriend 16 years and one day to be applauded and slapped on the back.

So, QED - for those folk its just a nominal legal dividing line then. Not about conscience or ethics....or the wider issue of the best way society can protect its youngest.

[Harmonica]

Heheheheh ........ Look Ma -- so many Gods here at this site. And all this time you've been saying there is only one!