Electric Shock Fence Supply Store?

[Svenn]

Anyone know where I can buy electric shock fence supply in Bkk specifically? Reading other topics, I believe the consensus is that these fences, or rather series of wires running along the top of a wall, are legal in Thailand, especially Isaan? Keeping in mind the age-old dilemma of showing off TOO MUCH security (and thus luring thieves into believing there's something worth stealing inside), well-done 'warning-shock' signs are desirable as well. thanks

[longball53098]

There was a topic here on this subject several months ago. Try doing a search or maybe the guy who talked about it will see this post. I think kamalabob?

[Bpraim1]

I ordered on in from ebay. Was 1500bht for the power unit 110/230v and 1500bht for 300m of wire + connectors.

Have yet to install it, as I will be building a new fence.

I talked to the top brass in my area and was told I only needed to clearly post signs on all 4 sides of the fence at a space of no more the 20m apart.

I will install this as i had a couple young boys pop over the fence a few months back, motion lights came on and I caught them, to be true a couple pieces of rock salt did.

Next time they will have a shock'n experience. May need to install camera to catch the look on there face when they touch it.

[Dave the Dude]

There was a topic here on this subject several months ago. Try doing a search or maybe the guy who talked about it will see this post. I think kamalabob?

Quite correct

He's a friend of mine and a very knowledgable guy.

If you have trouble tracking it down, inform me & I will get him to know about this post.

Dave

[robertsonmartin]

Hi

I looked into this a few months ago. There are companies in Thailand who specialise in the installation of these systems but they are f$#king expensive. I had a couple of quotes for install that ranged between 50,000 - 75,000 baht the length of fence being protected only being about 50 metres.

Here is one quote I had.

Wall top Perimeter fencing 6 Wire version, with stainless wire, tensioners, posts, supports, grounding rods, insulators

850 Baht Per meter X 50 = 42,500

Energizer with alarm unit, battery back-up remote control = 19,850

Installation = 10,000

72,350 Baht Plus VAT

The actual Energisers are mainly imported from South Africa (practically everyone there has an electric fence) so you can kind of see why the price of this part is high but shouldn't be more than 200% higher (energiser quoted above can be bought in S.A for 150GBP). The install of the wire was generally quoted at about 300 baht / metre which way too expensive when you consider needing a minimum of 3 wires, preferably 6 wires.

I like the sound of buying it on eBay. I am off to South Africa next week for work and plan on buying an energiser unit and either risk shipping it or carrying it in my checked luggage. Then I just need to get the wire (galvanised or s/steel) and the brackets and then I'll install it myself.

Like the posts above say - Make sure there are plenty of signs up, wouldn't want to get into trouble with the BIB, although the electric pulses are intermittent and non-lethal. I doubt a criminal would report being zapped to the police . I guess its the innocent folk you want to avoid getting tingled.

If you want to get some more info have a look at the "wasp-security" website. Hope the above helps.

[Beardog]

I ordered on in from ebay. Was 1500bht for the power unit 110/230v and 1500bht for 300m of wire + connectors.

Have yet to install it, as I will be building a new fence.

I talked to the top brass in my area and was told I only needed to clearly post signs on all 4 sides of the fence at a space of no more the 20m apart.

I will install this as i had a couple young boys pop over the fence a few months back, motion lights came on and I caught them, to be true a couple pieces of rock salt did.

Next time they will have a shock'n experience. May need to install camera to catch the look on there face when they touch it.

What gauge shotgun you using. I'll bet that hurt like hel_l! Good for you. We had a problem a while back & now use marine flares. When the magnesium hits it gives no change. except for being worse than microwaved.

[kamalabob2]

Svenn there are at least four companies who install professional electric security fences (as opposed to cattle fences) with offices in Bangkok. I've looked at the electric security fence (and other types of security fence toppings) booths at the annual Architect Expo held at Impact Center in early May and you can see a difference in the price, aesthetics, quality of fit and finish of various vendors. The winning quote I saved two years ago was from www.wasp-security.com and it was for a complete package of many more meters of fence length than ROBERTSONMARTIN mentioned. The quote I accepted from Wasp Security did not "break down" the cost of each item and the energizer is from Brazil. It is very simple to operate and the entire family has enjoyed knowing that we can leave our home empty, go places and are not forced to keep someone home 24/7 unlike a home in the village with more than four beers inside the house.

Maybe BPRAIM1 is a handy person with great electrical knowledge, I am not. It took three trained staff from Bangkok three full days to install our system including the four grounding poles. The owner of this company and his Foreman came to our property to view all the "tricky" corners and places where special fittings were needed two weeks in advance of the installation. This company has a small LPG powered truck so there was no "fuel surcharge" for our Isaan location.

In our situation Mike Rust the owner of Wasp Security matched the color of his well made posts to our fence color scheme and provided stainless steel poles for our front fence area. The cost of the electric fence per meter is FAR LESS than the three quotes we have for sharp decent grade stainless steel pointed topping. Any Thai criminal knows the easy way to circumvent the pointed topping with a piece of bamboo or scrap wood. Barbed wire serves no real purpose if you viewed the photo recently in the Bangkok Post of the seven meter high wall being breeched in the Middle East.

We have only had our electric security fence installed for fourteen months, but it has made a significant difference in our perception of security and family safety. We live in a "safe" quiet small town in a good neighborhood but foliage blocks the neighbors from keeping an eye on our property. I'm not so sure a 1500 baht energizer will actually perform a shocking experience but everyone makes their own choices. I had the opportunity to bring over some Medeco

http://www.medeco.com/products/products_se...hp?section_ID=2

locks which are good enough for 1600 Pennsylvania Ave Washington DC 20500 or 95 Wireless Road in Bangkok, but an Electric fence installation is way out of my skill set. It is not as simple as ordering a set of home theater speakers from Bangkok to be shipped up by a transport company and I connect them in a few minutes.

The bi-lingual signs installed by Wasp Security seem to be read by the organized "gang members" who drive, usually two to a motorbike, three times each day as they "case" our home for 500 baht a month. We have a camera focused right where the police sign the book on each visit. Here are some current photos of our fence plus two photos of the installation in June 2008. In my opinion the electric posts and wires do not hinder wind flow or views. The electric fence topping will keep you on your toes about trimming bushes but that has set in motion keeping a firebreak space for our home. Even with eight air conditioners and too many electrical items our home electric bill was under 3400 baht last month. I do not feel it has impacted our utility bill any more than a 2nd TV, but it has improved our experience of family comfort. Perhaps SVENN could consider a quote from Wasp Security.

Perhaps any forum members who have self-installed a "custom" electric fence can post photos. In Thailand everyone has the opportunity to make choices, I went for Medeco and not "Solo" or Iseo" locks. The cost of the professional electric fence was a small fraction of the cost to install decent grade roll up doors for our garage let alone the cost of decent quality steel security doors which we have decided we do not need since we have the electric fence.

[elkangorito]

I guess it's too bad for illiterate people or people who suffer dyslexia. I suppose the next comment is "Why are illiterate or dyslexic people climbing my fence?". The answer to this could be unknown but at the end of the day, if anybody dies due to a heart condition (or some other problem), who will pay?

An electric fence for cattle is ok in a rural area but in most "western" countries, electric fences that are used to prevent crime, are illegal.

[Bpraim1]

Bear

I used a 12gauge, with a repacked birdshot load. Works nicely

Kama

The energizer I purchased is a Parmak® Range Master Model RM-13with 12.5j output or 12.5watts. Little boy has bite. It also has a battery backup. And false safe alarm/ if fence looses power or wire is cut alarm will sound.

Back home, I grow up on a cattle farm and we use Electric fences. So installation will not be hard.

The main difference is this system will not alert you when someone touchs it. Unless he or she screams But only if cut or power loss.

Wire is a stainless Polywire 9 stran braid.

Definatly not as good as yours, but neither is my house, heehee.

I'm sure it will do the job of keep'n the idiots out, or a leat slowing them down.( takes time to load)

[elkangorito]

I guess it's too bad for illiterate people or people who suffer dyslexia. I suppose the next comment is "Why are illiterate or dyslexic people climbing my fence?". The answer to this could be unknown but at the end of the day, if anybody dies due to a heart condition (or some other problem), who will pay?

An electric fence for cattle is ok in a rural area but in most "western" countries, electric fences that are used to prevent crime, are illegal.

Don't forget that all it takes to kill or maim someone is 30mA (0.03 amps) delivered for a period of less than a second, if their heart is weak.

[Benjie]

I guess it's too bad for illiterate people or people who suffer dyslexia. I suppose the next comment is "Why are illiterate or dyslexic people climbing my fence?". The answer to this could be unknown but at the end of the day, if anybody dies due to a heart condition (or some other problem), who will pay?

An electric fence for cattle is ok in a rural area but in most "western" countries, electric fences that are used to prevent crime, are illegal.

Why? shouldn't matter if they can't read, they shouldn't be climbing over your fence to steal your stuff (regardless of their heart condition).

Edited September 7, 2009 by Benjie

[elkangorito]

I guess it's too bad for illiterate people or people who suffer dyslexia. I suppose the next comment is "Why are illiterate or dyslexic people climbing my fence?". The answer to this could be unknown but at the end of the day, if anybody dies due to a heart condition (or some other problem), who will pay?

An electric fence for cattle is ok in a rural area but in most "western" countries, electric fences that are used to prevent crime, are illegal.

Why? shouldn't matter if they can't read, they shouldn't be climbing over your fence to steal your stuff (regardless of their heart condition).

If I was being attacked by Soi dogs or Soi idiots, I'd look for anything to climb.

EDIT:

I find it very strange that when foreigners come to Thailand, they complain about how Thais seem to value human life at the lowest level. Then they (the foreigners) erect electric fences, which can kill or maim innocent people.

Edited September 7, 2009 by elkangorito

[Bpraim1]

I am not putting up an electric fence to kill or maim, I'm putting it up to keep thieves out. I have already had two problems with thieves, One at my house and one at my wifes parents.

I have my wife and two small children in my house, I don't walk very good as arecult of a car accident..

So I need to look at ways to protect my family and property.More my family.

There are no soi dogs or diots here, only night racoons that like to scale my fence.

Well they are in for a shocker next time. If they die so be it, at least my family is safer.

[elkangorito]

What a nice person you are

[Bpraim1]

What's nicer?

Me putting up a fence to keep the thieves out and postings signs so they know it's electric.

or

Them scaleing MY fence entering MY house at night, harming MY family and or stealing MY property.

I don't think they post a sign to tell me they are come'n to B&E my house. Or maybe the thieves in your area are nicer.

If your scale'n a fence in the middle of the night, you deserve what you get. 99.99999% will get a shock and leave.00001% may die.

I'm ok with this number, as is safer then drive'n in Thailand, eating the food, or walking down the street,Just to be struck by a car, motorbike or person.

I see we have different views, and thats good. Keeps the world turning.

Cheers.

[kamalabob2]

The type of Electric Security Fence that I had installed 14 months ago and the type of animal fence with a

http://www.parmakusa.com/Fencers/110.htm will not KILL a person.

A professional electric fence charger is LEGAL in Thailand with proper signs posted in Thai language. It is NOT legal to connect to direct current like some farmers have done in Thailand to protect livestock and crops. Neither the fence that BPRAIM1 is going to install, or the fence I have already had installed will not KILL anyone. It will shock them and I suspect they will NOT continue to attempt to enter our yard. In our case the fence is connected to two sirens and a home alarm system that connects to the local police station. Alarm monitoring in our town is a fraction of the cost I paid in California on that $205 installed Brinks home alarm system. In Thailand all the major alarm companies will install a home alarm, but the upfront cost is considerable higher than California. The long term cost of an intruder alarm in Thailand is actually lower due to a lower monitoring cost in my experience. Chubb, ADT and Bosch all install home alarms that you can easily have a WASP Security electric fence connected to the home alarm.

The bottom line is that any home owner in Thailand can compare costs of various fence toppings and make their own decision based on cost and aesthetics. Each head of household has to consider where to spend resources and if the system they select will PREVENT an evil person from attempting to enter their home. Thieves are not industrious people, they will go where they consider a "soft and easy" target. In my case I also did NOT spend money on roll up garage doors, I did NOT spend money on any window bars, I did NOT spend money on any security metal doors due to the fact I had a professional electric fence installed. I paid less money to have a professional electric fence installed than the cost of a decent grade MANUAL roll up garage door.

Perhaps some of the other Thai Visa Forum members can post photos of any security fences they have. There certainly are some great looking fences that were posted recently "The Nicest Fence Contest" but I can't recall seeing any security fence photos in other posts. I just attached a photo of the barbed wire that was previously on a wall between our property and a neighbor. In my opinion the electric fence is more attractive and that barbed wire has been put to good use elsewhere by a hard working Thai man.

[VocalNeal]

An electric fence for cattle is ok in a rural area but in most "western" countries, electric fences that are used to prevent crime, are illegal.

I am not sure what your sources are but "au contraire" as the French would say in most "western" countries, electric fences that are used to prevent crime, are encouraged.

This is just one example

There are many more.

What maybe true is that most people are not criminals therefore they never come into contact (pardon the pun?) with electric security fences. They are more common than you may think.

[Beardog]

Bear

I used a 12gauge, with a repacked birdshot load. Works nicely

Kama

The energizer I purchased is a Parmak® Range Master Model RM-13with 12.5j output or 12.5watts. Little boy has bite. It also has a battery backup. And false safe alarm/ if fence looses power or wire is cut alarm will sound.

Back home, I grow up on a cattle farm and we use Electric fences. So installation will not be hard.

The main difference is this system will not alert you when someone touchs it. Unless he or she screams But only if cut or power loss.

Wire is a stainless Polywire 9 stran braid.

Definatly not as good as yours, but neither is my house, heehee.

I'm sure it will do the job of keep'n the idiots out, or a leat slowing them down.( takes time to load)

I got to go with the shotgun or a flare gun. The cops told me shoot to kill if they jump the fence(Now a meter taller & has barb wire & designed from the U.S. So the setup looks as good as barb wire can) I got to go to the Kamoies last court date where they will get 20 years for brandishing a weapon & the robbery. We have all kinds of vines(veggies on the wire now & can barely be seen but definitely felt. They made it over the cattle system I had no problem got a little charred but they still got through. Next time & God I hope there isn't a next time there will be fatalities. I am not taking any chances. Looking for a nice Remington semi auto 1 in the chamber 6 down below or a Mossberg style riot shotgun they use in the U.S. They want in there most likely going to get in. The idea is like the roach motel . They check in but don't get to check out. The sound of a shotgun or seeing your partner incinerate would send the offenders running. That & the heat know I have flare guns & would see them blazing. All in all the cops I have patrolling are worth it. No problems now.

[Svenn]

Thanks for the detailed replies.

On ebay, I'm finding lots of Parmak "chargers" (which I guess means the source of the electricity) but they are of varying joules or volts. What is the necessary strength of the charger to hurt but not kill somebody for a roughly 70 meter perimeter? What type of person should I find to install it, just a knowledgable local electrician?

I would do it professonially, as kalamabob suggests via Wasp security, but it's too expensive.

[chrgrims]

I installed a cattle-type electric fence over my wall a few months ago. very cheap. problem is that its connected to the main electricity of the house, 220v, so i havent used it yet. I need to get a downconverter. can anyone recommend a good voltage (i obv dont want to hurt anyone, only startle them)?

Another thing people can think about with these fences is that often it has great preventive value even when turned off. Very few people want to touch a wire like this to test if it is on or not.

chr

Edited September 17, 2009 by chrgrims

[Bpraim1]

You just need a cattle type with battery backup or solar/battery

The one I have uses 110/230v and can add a battery and solar option for backup!

Mine is a 12.5 j, which has a nice bite but will not kill. I have been zapped a few times.

My family has a cattle farm in Canada and we use Electric fences, so I know what they can do!!

[VocalNeal]

You just need a cattle type with battery backup or solar/battery

The one I have uses 110/230v and can add a battery and solar option for backup!

Mine is a 12.5 j, which has a nice bite but will not kill. I have been zapped a few times.

My family has a cattle farm in Canada and we use Electric fences, so I know what they can do!!

I notice the manufacturers website says " this charger should not be used at sites involving significant public exposure or safety issues."

As for chrgrims's fence that is 220v!! I hope you are on good terms with the local constabulary.

[chrgrims]

y, i need to get it fixed. but remember that its not in use. btw, i do know the local police well. but i am afraid they wont help me if my cat climbs the wall and turns the switch. .

the point is, i need to fix it asap, and i know it.

[bkkbill]

y, i need to get it fixed. but remember that its not in use. btw, i do know the local police well. but i am afraid they wont help me if my cat climbs the wall and turns the switch. .

the point is, i need to fix it asap, and i know it.

I think you should have this unit disconnected immediately to rely on a wall switch is just asking for trouble.

[Hssl]

I installed a cattle-type electric fence over my wall a few months ago. very cheap. problem is that its connected to the main electricity of the house, 220v, so i havent used it yet. I need to get a downconverter. can anyone recommend a good voltage (i obv dont want to hurt anyone, only startle them)?

Another thing people can think about with these fences is that often it has great preventive value even when turned off. Very few people want to touch a wire like this to test if it is on or not.

chr

When you say conected to the house 220V AC supply WHAT does it kick out to the fence wires???

[bangkokumpalumpa]

electric fences are all good and well for keeping the basic people out but the prefessionals is a different story, 20 seconds with a set of wire cutters fixs these systems.

if you are looking at home protection then start at the doors and windows, make sure that you have good bars on them, a pro will take a look at bars and think twice, unless they are cheap and thin then a set of bolt cutters makes simple work of them.

lets be honest even banks get robbed, so what you have to look at is making a place that says dont bother it is to much hard work, and with Thailands electric systems where the meters are on poles outside the property then once again it is simple to cut wires and stop lighting working.

so you could get a big dog, well once again you have to deal with people dropping poison over the fence. that means that if you want to have a good dog then you have to train it not to take food from anybody else.

it is hard to have a system that is going to do the job, because lets be honest the more you add the more it looks like a good place to rob, with the state of the country crime is on the increase.

show me a house with good security and I will show you how to get in with a piece of steak (with sleeping pills) a set of bolt cutters with good insulation on the handles and a good set of pliers.

so in spending all the money rember that security is peace of mind, its about how you feel at night when sleeping. if it makes you feel better then it has done its job!

[bangkokumpalumpa]

one thing that I notice is that no one has mentioned setting up the security lighting on one of the fence wires, this is so that if the wires are cut then the house lights up big time. you can also add an alarm to this system.

so if sombody cuts the wire, the lights come on and the alarm sounds, they will then think twice about cutting the rest and jumping the fence!!! just food for thought.

[Bpraim1]

My system will trip when cut,light flashes and small buzzer.It can be rigged to a loud alarm. System also has a battery backup, so power outages are no problem.

I also have infared activation lights and a infared motion detector that scans the front & back yard. They are wireless and work even if power is cut.

Best part is I have nothing of real value to steal. so after they have done he song and dance to get in, it was all a waste of time.

Also have good home insurance for theft..

But what I do have is two small children and My wife in the house.

[bangkokumpalumpa]

that sounds like a nice system!!!!

[chrgrims]

I installed a cattle-type electric fence over my wall a few months ago. very cheap. problem is that its connected to the main electricity of the house, 220v, so i havent used it yet. I need to get a downconverter. can anyone recommend a good voltage (i obv dont want to hurt anyone, only startle them)?

Another thing people can think about with these fences is that often it has great preventive value even when turned off. Very few people want to touch a wire like this to test if it is on or not.

chr

When you say conected to the house 220V AC supply WHAT does it kick out to the fence wires???

Sorry, i havent checked this thread in a while, been too busy. First of all, there is little reason to worry. the switch is placed very high in an awkward place, its not accessible like a normal switch.

The story is that i built a fence, perimeter 180 meters, and the workers said they could put up an electric fence for me. i said ok. They later said they had put it up, directly connecting to the house electricity, 220v. I never used the fence, because i thought this was too much, even though i didnt know it is so dangerous, as i presume it is, considering your reactions.

i need some advice on conversion, please. I recently talked to our local store, and they said they have a downconverter that takes 220v to 12v. My question is, would this 12v give a sting at all? if not, what is a good conversion?

cheers, chr