Somchai, Chavalit And Patcharawat To Face Criminal Charges

[animatic]

He declares himself winner.

But with nothing to back it up.

Is much of anyone backing up this SLY TALK. Nope.

Many thoughtful minds do retort versus the endless stream of sameness.

But I bet one or two in the office will suddenly be directed to this thread for a spell.

Only 1 or two others with very very similar styles and subject limitations

are doing similar spam like Propaganda Duties,

and seems to be building from a grand denouement.

It also appears that they are splitting up across threads to target specific topics or posters.

Seems I have inherited SLY TALK as my albatross for the moment.

C'est la vie, I sail on regardless of the superstitious claptrap merchant.

Professional SPAMSTER, one endless topic, and just a few variations...

Makes it so obviously disingenuous, not from the heart, but boilerplate.

So all those that can actually think for themselves see through it like cellophane.

[Thai at Heart]

Seems like the toys have come out of the cot.

Oh please people. Do you honestly believe that the power of TV is so much that people would actually pay for propaganda on here?

A duel of words through the internet with the keyboard being mightier than the sword.

Ouch, I'm dead!

[animatic]

Seems like the toys have come out of the cot.

Oh please people. Do you honestly believe that the power of TV is so much that people would actually pay for propaganda on here?

A duel of words through the internet with the keyboard being mightier than the sword.

Ouch, I'm dead!

Oh without a doubt.

Besides it's global reach, it is obvious that certain posers, err posters, are not doing it from specific beliefs,

but repetitively and disruptively for purely propaganda reasons.

Propaganda uses any and ALL outlets to sway opinion that MAY have an effect on it's end goal.

Even The Nation had an editorial this week on this exact subject.

Cut and paste diatribes are not thoughtful dialog.

[LomSak27]

But I thought according to the Reds, the court has long been controlled by the junta and has no credibility whatsoever? Or does the court only have credibility when they rule in favor of the reds?

The court has been given their marching orders by Gen Prem and are doing a fine job of de-fanging, dismantling and dispersing dangerous elements in Thai society, I.E. the reds.

As for the debate on this page, sadly this is what Thai Visa is noted for. Carry on Boys

[hammered]

Shytalk>> You need to broaden your library of snippet to paste into every thread here all days.

TAWP>> Didn't know you cared.

Best to keep it short, precise , and to the point.

No bigger point to make than electoral democracy is there.

Nowl it would be of fine benefit to global warming if some of the hot air merchants on tv were a little more economical with the words.

I will continue to post to my library thank you, rather than some examples of your library, in the posts you have had deleted recently.

Electoral democracy is a bit of a weird term. Democracy is by definition electoral and hence it is redundant to state that. The usual debate over demcoracy is about pure or representative democracy and of course what other features democracy by its nature entails such as checks and balances, feedoms and rights.

Virtually every democracy is representative with Switzerland usually being the example of pure democracy.

[animatic]

Clearly under Thaksin, and most other governments Thailand has always been a Feedom,

with many freedoms for most people. People vote and elect their Ministers sent to Parliament.

EVERY SINGLE MINISTER IN PARLIAMENT TODAY IS DULLY ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE OF THE CONSTITUENCY.

After that they can only trust their MP's to do what they asked them to to,

or at least what they may have said they would do.

If they neglected to elect people who do that, they have themselves to blame,

or the ones who hoodwinked them into wasting their vote.

But we also know in this Feedom, that is far from the case,

whether the election was last week or 1.5 years ago.

He who can buy the most small parties wins,

Thaksin did it BEFORE the election, most have done it after.

Only difference. Oh and Thaksin's level off graft was much, much higher,

and his despotic tendencies grew much more quickly and exponentially.

If ages old social norms ( kow tow), having nothing to do with governance, have kept people 'in their place'

well that is a societal change needed. Not one of modifying electoral democracy, but of interpersonal relations.

Will we hear the reds saying : " Eat The Rich!! "

Doubtful,

but in Europe I have met people with a similar bent who said as much... and only half joking.

"Eat the rich,

they taste better and more filling."

As seen on a dozen protester's T-shirts.

Meant to shock of course.

Edited September 10, 2009 by animatic

[TAWP]

Shytalk>> You need to broaden your library of snippet to paste into every thread here all days.

TAWP>> Didn't know you cared.

Best to keep it short, precise , and to the point.

No bigger point to make than electoral democracy is there.

Nowl it would be of fine benefit to global warming if some of the hot air merchants on tv were a little more economical with the words.

I will continue to post to my library thank you, rather than some examples of your library, in the posts you have had deleted recently.

I care since it is so dull reading the same lies over and over. Atleast come up with variations. By now even the dullest knife in the drawer knows you are no-one to listen to when it comes to knowing anything about the political scene or past events.

Or even what your own words mean.

And thanks for caring about my posts by I haven't seen any recent being deleted. But I am sure you have nothing better to do than to cyber-stalk anyone you disagree with.

[Plus]

The court has been given their marching orders by Gen Prem

There were a couple of broadcasts on national TV showing top judges receiving their orders in the past few years. Some were even transcribed word for word in the next days papers.

Guess what - Prem wasn't even there.

[LomSak27]

Plus, good to see your at the keyboard and hot on those ripostes to postes that cannot be allowed to stand ...

Actually I was referring to that recording from 2006 to the effect that the courts needed to get on the ball .. or was that created like the video of the reds now banned.

[animatic]

The highest chair did ask the courts to function; impartially and without fear.

Which was a much needed pep talk. But no doubt struck fear in

certain avaricious or duplicitous breasts. A court that turns back the pastry box!

A court that actually follows the laws, not looks to ways to get around them...

like a defense lawyer might. It really must have been a shocking development

to those in the habit of purloining justice to suit their ends.

Edited September 10, 2009 by animatic

[LomSak27]

no idea what you are on about animatic, but it sounds impressive. I was talking about courts in thailand and the recording of Prem/and or asscoiate of Prem, (2006) to start dismantling the red party, but to keep those 'institutions which we must pass over in silence' out of it ... paraphrase from Wittgenstein.

That is all

[jasreeve17]

Shytalk>> You need to broaden your library of snippet to paste into every thread here all days.

TAWP>> Didn't know you cared.

Best to keep it short, precise , and to the point.

No bigger point to make than electoral democracy is there.

Nowl it would be of fine benefit to global warming if some of the hot air merchants on tv were a little more economical with the words.

I will continue to post to my library thank you, rather than some examples of your library, in the posts you have had deleted recently.

Electoral democracy is a bit of a weird term. Democracy is by definition electoral and hence it is redundant to state that. The usual debate over demcoracy is about pure or representative democracy and of course what other features democracy by its nature entails such as checks and balances, feedoms and rights.

Virtually every democracy is representative with Switzerland usually being the example of pure democracy.

A very strange comment to make about a country (Thailand; on ThaiVisa) that has military coups every few years to 'maintain democracy'...

[Plus]

no idea what you are on about animatic, but it sounds impressive. I was talking about courts in thailand and the recording of Prem/and or asscoiate of Prem, (2006) to start dismantling the red party, but to keep those 'institutions which we must pass over in silence' out of it ... paraphrase from Wittgenstein.

That is all

Here's a transcript provided by Bangkok Pundit.

Reds have accused Prem of meddling with courts, but it's completely against the flow of the conversation. Prem was only mentioned as he has a "facilitator" that keeps him informed of what's going on there.

http://bangkokpundit.blogspot.com/2007/06/...ons-part-2.html

[webfact]

POLICE CHIEF

Patcharawat asks for leave of absence as a way out

By The Nation

Published on September 11, 2009

The embattled national police chief submitted his request for leave of absence yesterday when it became clear that Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva would not approve his resignation any time soon.

Police General Patcharawat Wongsuwan also filed a lawsuit with the Criminal Court against the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) and its eight majority members who voted to indict him for criminal and disciplinary offences in relation to the police crackdown on anti-government yellow-shirt protesters last October 7.

Abhisit said yesterday Patcharawat's resignation would become effective only when approved by the police chief's superintendent, which refers to the prime minister. He also noted that police regulations required officers to notify their resignation at least 30 days beforehand, except in special cases.

The prime minister added that he was concerned about possible legal consequences or the binding effect of a decision approving the police chief's resignation.

Upon learning the PM's decision, the outgoing police chief submitted his request for leave of absence between yesterday and the end of this month. The request was submitted to the prime minister through Deputy Premier Suthep Thaugsuban.

A legal expert in the police force said yesterday that without approval from the prime minister, who is the police chief's direct supervisor, Patchawarat's resignation would be ineffective.

The source said the police chief could not just stop working while his resignation was not endorsed by the PM. To be absent from work for more than 15 days is considered a severe disciplinary offence punishable by dismissal without pension, according to the source, who requested anonymity.

Patcharawat, who is scheduled to retire at the end of this month when reaching the compulsory retirement age of 60, was indicted by the NACC on Monday for criminal malfeasance along with ex-premier Somchai Wongsawat, former deputy premier Chavalit Yongchaiyudh and other senior police officers.

The NACC members voted 8-1 on the indictment decision.

Patcharawat's lawyer Bancha Porameekanaporn filed a lawsuit with the Southern Bangkok Criminal Court against the NACC and the eight commissioners who voted to indict him, accusing them of criminal malfeasance. The plaintiff accused the NACC commissioners of failing to abide by the anti-graft law in their investigation into the October 7 case.

The court scheduled the first hearing of Patcharawat's case on December 14.

NACC member Vichai Vivitsevi said yesterday that even if the prime minister endorsed the police chief's resignation, the severe disciplinary punishment against Patcharawat would remain, leaving the PM to choose between dismissal with pension or without pension.

Yesterday Suthep said he had already forwarded the police chief's resignation letter to the prime minister for consideration.

Suthep said as the Police Commission chairman, he also recommended Patcharawat should be allowed to leave the job. Patcharawat's resignation reached Government House on Wednesday evening, Suthep said.

He said it was Patchawarat's right to resign and it was for the premier, who is his superior, to decide. "In my view, Patcharawat is a good man regardless of the public sentiment against him," he said. Suthep, however, denied media speculation that he usually sided with the police chief.

Patcharawat announced his resignation on Wednesday after the premier transferred him to an inactive post in the PM's Office. The transfer came a few days after the NACC's indictment decision.

-- The Nation 2009/09/11

[SHYTALK]

Shytalk>> You need to broaden your library of snippet to paste into every thread here all days.

TAWP>> Didn't know you cared.

Best to keep it short, precise , and to the point.

No bigger point to make than electoral democracy is there.

Nowl it would be of fine benefit to global warming if some of the hot air merchants on tv were a little more economical with the words.

I will continue to post to my library thank you, rather than some examples of your library, in the posts you have had deleted recently.

Electoral democracy is a bit of a weird term. Democracy is by definition electoral and hence it is redundant to state that. The usual debate over demcoracy is about pure or representative democracy and of course what other features democracy by its nature entails such as checks and balances, feedoms and rights.

Virtually every democracy is representative with Switzerland usually being the example of pure democracy.

A very strange comment to make about a country (Thailand; on ThaiVisa) that has military coups every few years to 'maintain democracy'...

Very simple and very telling.

[SHYTALK]

He declares himself winner.

But with nothing to back it up.

Is much of anyone backing up this SLY TALK. Nope.

Many thoughtful minds do retort versus the endless stream of sameness.

But I bet one or two in the office will suddenly be directed to this thread for a spell.

Only 1 or two others with very very similar styles and subject limitations

are doing similar spam like Propaganda Duties,

and seems to be building from a grand denouement.

It also appears that they are splitting up across threads to target specific topics or posters.

Seems I have inherited SLY TALK as my albatross for the moment.

C'est la vie, I sail on regardless of the superstitious claptrap merchant.

Professional SPAMSTER, one endless topic, and just a few variations...

Makes it so obviously disingenuous, not from the heart, but boilerplate.

So all those that can actually think for themselves see through it like cellophane.

Not so, there is one with its back up.

For a moment I thought you were having another go at me!

But don't fit that id parade.

[peoria]

OCTOBER 7 CRACKDOWN

Somchai, Chavalit and Patcharawat to face criminal charges

By The Nation

National anti-graft commission will file criminal charges against ex-Premier Somchai Wongsawat, ex-deputy PM Gen Chavalit Yongchaiyudh and Police Chief Pol Gen Patcharawat Wongsuwan for their involvement in the October 7 crackdown on yellow shirted protesters.

Chavalit voted in as Pheu Thai Party Chairman

By The Nation

Published on October 28, 2009

Former PM Chavalit Yongchaiyudh was named Pheu Thai Party Chairman yesterday, Party Spokesman Prompong Nopparit said.

Prompong said the post of Party Chairman was different from that of Chairman of Pheu Thai Party MPs, which is currently being held by Chalerm Yoobamrung.

The Spokesman said the Party Chairman would be in charge of setting the party's platform, while the Chairman of the MPs would be put in charge of parliamentary affairs.

-- The Nation 2009-10-28

[animatic]

One of the faster bans yet!

[animatic]

He declares himself winner.

But with nothing to back it up.

Is much of anyone backing up this SLY TALK. Nope.

Many thoughtful minds do retort versus the endless stream of sameness.

But I bet one or two in the office will suddenly be directed to this thread for a spell.

Only 1 or two others with very very similar styles and subject limitations

are doing similar spam like Propaganda Duties,

and seems to be building from a grand denouement.

It also appears that they are splitting up across threads to target specific topics or posters.

Seems I have inherited SLY TALK as my albatross for the moment.

C'est la vie, I sail on regardless of the superstitious claptrap merchant.

Professional SPAMSTER, one endless topic, and just a few variations...

Makes it so obviously disingenuous, not from the heart, but boilerplate.

So all those that can actually think for themselves see through it like cellophane.

Not so, there is one with its back up.

For a moment I thought you were having another go at me!

But don't fit that id parade.

I rest my case.

And on topic; Note another notch is carved today ridding the country of the

excessively 'violence tolerant' police big wig of Oct 7th ignominy.

PAD was overboard that day,

but nothing so bad as deserving what came at them.

Which made the whole thing so much worse all around.

Edited October 29, 2009 by animatic

[animatic]

Retrospective as in looking backwards,

or

RetroACTIVE as in taking affect prior to the official vote/decision to impeach/censure?

I would suspect, and applaud, the latter.

Edited November 3, 2009 by animatic

[steve81]

OCTOBER 7 CRACKDOWN

Somchai, Chavalit, and Patcharawat to face criminal charges

By The Nation

National anti-graft commission will file criminal charges against ex-Premier Somchai Wongsawat, ex-Deputy PM General Chavalit Yongchaiyudh, and Police Chief Police General Patcharawat Wongsuwan for their involvement in the October 7 crackdown on yellow shirted protesters.

The NACC also decided to seek both criminal and disciplinary actions against then Metropolitan Police Chief Police Lt-General Suchart Meunkaew.

PM denies to reinstate 3 police officers ordering Oct 7 crackdown on PAD

BANGKOK, 11 January 2010 (NNT) - Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva has rejected the Police Commission’s proposal to reinstate three police officers held accountable for the violent crackdowns on PAD protesters in 2008

The Prime Minister stated that the Police Commission has no authority to overturn the ruling by the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) against the three police officers who had committed serious disciplinary offences.

He said he had provided the explanation to Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban, the chairperson of the Police Commission, and asked the commission to revise the resolution which is against the constitution.

The three officers involved are former National Police Chief Police General Phatcharawat Wongsuwan, former Metropolitan Police Commissioner Police Lieutenant-General Suchart Meunkaew and former Udon Thani police commander Police Major General Permsak Paradonsak.

The police board's recent decision to reinstate the officers contradicts the NACC's ruling that they must be dismissed from their posts.

The former Police Chief and the former Metropolitan Police Commissioner were found guilty of mishandling the mass demonstration led by the People's Alliance for Democracy in October 7, 2008, while the former Udon Thani police commander was charged with his failure to prevent the violent clashes between the supporters of the anti-government United Front of Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) and those of the People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) occurring in northeastern province of Udon Thani province.

The Prime Minister added that those three embattled police officers have legal rights to seek justice from the Administrative Court.

-- NNT 2010-01-11

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[Davidusaf99]

Looks like Abihisit is growing into the Premership doesn't it....Thaksin must be defecating in his shorts

[animatic]

Yes, can't let these guys get their pensions.

They got kicked out for cause and that should end benefit accrual.

Nor to allow an end run by the police commision

counter to a higher bodies decision.

[animatic]

Another notch forward to a more just Thailand.

Where puyais can expect a day in court and not a pastry box evasion.

[mca]

I'll consider Thailand being more just when a top boy in green is in the dock accused of human rights abuses. Then there will be light at the end of the tunnel for me. Unfortunately I can't see that day coming.

[Buchholz]

OCTOBER 7 CRACKDOWN

Somchai, Chavalit, and Patcharawat to face criminal charges

By The Nation

National anti-graft commission will file criminal charges against ex-Premier Somchai Wongsawat, ex-Deputy PM General Chavalit Yongchaiyudh, and Police Chief Police General Patcharawat Wongsuwan for their involvement in the October 7 crackdown on yellow shirted protesters.

The NACC also decided to seek both criminal and disciplinary actions against then Metropolitan Police Chief Police Lt-General Suchart Meunkaew.

PM denies to reinstate 3 police officers ordering Oct 7 crackdown on PAD

BANGKOK, 11 January 2010 (NNT) - Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva has rejected the Police Commission’s proposal to reinstate three police officers held accountable for the violent crackdowns on PAD protesters in 2008

The Prime Minister stated that the Police Commission has no authority to overturn the ruling by the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) against the three police officers who had committed serious disciplinary offences.

The three officers involved are former National Police Chief Police General Phatcharawat Wongsuwan, former Metropolitan Police Commissioner Police Lieutenant-General Suchart Meunkaew and former Udon Thani police commander Police Major General Permsak Paradonsak.

The police board's recent decision to reinstate the officers contradicts the NACC's ruling that they must be dismissed from their posts.

The former Police Chief and the former Metropolitan Police Commissioner were found guilty of mishandling the mass demonstration led by the People's Alliance for Democracy in October 7, 2008, while the former Udon Thani police commander was charged with his failure to prevent the violent clashes between the supporters of the anti-government United Front of Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) and those of the People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) occurring in northeastern province of Udon Thani province.

The Prime Minister added that those three embattled police officers have legal rights to seek justice from the Administrative Court.

PM Pondering Reinstatement of Former Police Chief

The deputy prime minister in charge of national security has pointed out that the prime minister has the full authority to decide whether the former police chief, who has been dismissed for ordering a violent crackdown on protesters, should be reinstated.

Deputy Prime Minister in Charge of National Security, Suthep Thaugsuban, who is also the chairman of the National Police Policy Committee, says the prime minister has the full authority to decide whether the former National Police Chief, Police General Patcharawat Wongsuwan should be reinstated.

Patcharawat and two other senior police officers were ruled by the National Anti-Corruption Commission or the NACC to be responsible for the violent crackdown on the People's Alliance for Democracy or the PAD protesters on October 7, 2008. The crackdown resulted in a number of deaths and injuries. However, the National Police Policy Committee has attempted to reverse the NACC's ruling on many occasions by reinstating the dismissed police officers.

Suthep added that the decision is based on the Council of State's recommendation, but the final decision is entirely up to the premier's.

Meanwhile, Secretary-General of the Council of State, Porntip Jala, has indicated that the committee has only offered legal guidance requested by the National Police Policy Committee, but it will be up to the prime minister how to proceed with the matter.

There was a similar case in the past when the Office of the Civil Service Commission overturned a ruling by the NACC to dismiss the former Secretary-General of the Public Relations Department, Veerapol Duangsoongnern.

However, the Constitutional Court later ruled that the OSCS overstepped its authority as mandated by the charter, hence Veerapol's guilty verdict was upheld.

TAN - August 25, 2010

http://www.tannetwork.tv/tan/ViewData.aspx?DataID=1033884

[Buchholz]

Deputy PM: Ex-Police Chief's Reinstatement Pending Council of State's Recommendation

Deputy Prime Minister overseeing security affairs reports that the Council of State has not yet rendered an opinion regarding the return of the former police chief who was fired for malfeasance of duty for the way he handled the disbursement of an anti-Thaksin protest a few years ago.

In a senate meeting, Deputy Prime Minister in charge of security affairs, Suthep Thaugsuban, said he has asked Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva to request an opinion from the Council of State about the return to office of former police chief Police General Patcharawat Wongsuwan who was earlier sacked for malfeasance in the bloody crackdown on the People's Alliance for Democracy in 2007.

However, the deputy premier said he has not received an answer from the Council of State.

Suthep stressed that the police reshuffle list is totally based on law and morality after the police commission agreed to consider a proposal to increase the number of positions that are based on seniority from 25 to 33 percent.

The move comes as the Council of State suggested that the premier restore Police General Patcharawat to office, despite the fact that the former police chief was punished over a misdeed involving the dispersal of a protest.

Some people claim, however, that the opinion of the Council of State is not law that an independent agency must follow suit.

For this reason, Senator Kamnun Sittisaman has called on the premier, who sits as the chairman of the Council of State, to discuss the matter with related agencies to revamp the operation and the appointment of the staff of the Council of State.

-- Tan Network 2010-08-31

[tomyummer]

I love it when the government agencies try to 'act tough' as if they're doing their jobs to play the part of an actual government. These guys will never go anywhere or ever set foot in a jail. For all we know, all these politicians/officials probably keep a pool going to see who collects the most threats and trumped up charges from government agencies.

[Buchholz]

Patcharawat’s appeal over protest dispersal case dismissed

BANGKOK, 21 September 2010 (NNT) - The Supreme Administrative Court has rejected the appeal lodged by ex-Police Chief Police General Patcharawat Wongsuwan against the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC)’s ruling on the 7 October rally dispersal case.

The Supreme Administrative Court today upheld the lower court's decision by not accepting the appeal filed by Police General Patcharavat, reasoning that the NACC's deliberation was in compliance with the judicial process and the Criminal Code.

The lawsuit was earlier lodged by the embattled police chief with the Central Administrative Court, calling for the issuance of an injunction to protect him from the NACC’s unjustified ruling. However, the court turned down the case.

The NACC filed charges against Police General Patcharavat as well as several politicians and police officials, alleging that they were involved in the violent crackdown on demonstrators of the People’s Alliance for Democracy (PAD) on 7 October 2008, which resulted in massive casualties.

-- NNT 2010-09-21

[Buchholz]

Now that delays are over with, it's time to make some headway now with Patcharawat's case.

It's also time now for the other two in thread's title, Somchai and Chavalit, to face the music.