Pregnant Thai Woman Detained For Smuggling Cocaine

[Syntax]

if plants werent illegal, IE in the hands of criminals, there could be no desire to 'smuggle' something which could be obtained legally.

unless it was taxed into a bracket out of ppls reach. ALA aids meds.

ef

MY point is, prohibition makes ppl rich. not safer. and certainly not smarter,

That is exactly on the point!!! and my own opinion either.

And all those guys here that states there is no mercy for drug mules, should ask themselves if they never did something wrong in life and special at the age of 22!!!

People make mistakes...didn't you guys learn something of the country u choose to stay now - Thailand - Buddhism???? Every day everybody of us make mistakes and we are not perfect either..nobody and we should see that and not deny it and denounce others life!

Dead Penalty is big CRIME and a poor sign on society in which we life...it will never change the world for a better! And people who claim therefore, should think about their life and their respect of life in general!

Why is it that so many people without even thinking a second about, always find satisfaction in other peoples suffer and even find excuses for them, their own behavior?????

Edited September 13, 2009 by Syntax

[DLock]

if plants werent illegal, IE in the hands of criminals, there could be no desire to 'smuggle' something which could be obtained legally.

unless it was taxed into a bracket out of ppls reach. ALA aids meds.

ef

MY point is, prohibition makes ppl rich. not safer. and certainly not smarter,

That is exactly on the point!!! and my own opinion either.

And all those guys here that states there is no mercy for drug mules, should ask themselves if they never did something wrong in life and special at the age of 22!!!

People make mistakes...didn't you guys learn something of the country u choose to stay now - Thailand - Buddhism???? Every day everybody of us make mistakes and we are not perfect either..nobody and we should see that and not deny it and denounce others life!

Dead Penalty is big CRIME and a poor sign on society in which we life...it will never change the world for a better! And people who claim therefore, should think about their life and their respect of life in general!

Why is it that so many people without even thinking a second about, always find satisfaction in other peoples suffer and even find excuses for them, their own behavior?????

Bla, bla, bla....

If by mistake, you mean attempting to smuggle 2kg of cocaine, then no, I have never made that mistake. That was not a mistake. It was a conscience decision motivated by greed for personal gain that could have inflicted a lot of suffering on other people had she made it. She knew the penalty for her "mistake" and deemed that risk worthwhile. All she can really do now is shrug her shoulders and say "dam_n, if only..." and be resigned to her fate.

If you can come up with a solution to solve the problem, please share it, but ANY relaxing of the drug penalties will certainly not help the problem.

When Dad lets you use his computer again, use Google to research the how drugs affect people and how many deaths are attributed to drugs by the User and the crime that seems to surround drug use.

[thongsuknork]

Wow great news - so instead of being executed, she will spend the rest of her life locked up, seperated from her child.

I am sure we will all sleep better knowing a 22 year old pregnant girl is safely locked behind bars - a joke and a very sad one at that.

At least I will sleep better then when I had to think about how many life's she would have f_cked up with that 2 kg cocaine.

Strange, EVERYONE i spoke with who took it said it was one of their best moments in their whole lifes and now you say it f_ucks up lifes.

I´m confused now they all lie?

how can a 22 y girl can find millions of cocaine rubbish if the malaysian court permits me i will fight the case in international court for justice too much for a 22y girl sad

thai girl caught

[TAWP]

That is exactly on the point!!! and my own opinion either.

And all those guys here that states there is no mercy for drug mules, should ask themselves if they never did something wrong in life and special at the age of 22!!!

People make mistakes...didn't you guys learn something of the country u choose to stay now - Thailand - Buddhism???? Every day everybody of us make mistakes and we are not perfect either..nobody and we should see that and not deny it and denounce others life!

Dead Penalty is big CRIME and a poor sign on society in which we life...it will never change the world for a better! And people who claim therefore, should think about their life and their respect of life in general!

Why is it that so many people without even thinking a second about, always find satisfaction in other peoples suffer and even find excuses for them, their own behavior?????

Bla, bla, bla....

/.../

When Dad lets you use his computer again, use Google to research the how drugs affect people and how many deaths are attributed to drugs by the User and the crime that seems to surround drug use.

This user isn't here to have a reasonable debate, just ignore him.

(And to make it extra clear...the 'bla, bla, bla...' is his own text, not my insertion.)

Edited September 14, 2009 by TAWP

[britmaveric]

^take heed of your own advice Tawp.

[TAWP]

^take heed of your own advice Tawp.

Yes, I am not getting into any argument with him anymore. Pointless it seems.

[Syntax]

^take heed of your own advice Tawp.

Yes, I am not getting into any argument with him anymore. Pointless it seems.

Thank you TWAP

You probably right it is maybe pointless to discuss this issue here in a productive way, with people who don't accept other opinions without pointing out that only their thoughts are the real and right ones or without any personal attacks. I can assume that on this page as it is the Thailand Forum for "falangs" in Thailand, are probably most on the older age side and just grow up at another level of information and influence at their times, nothing wrong with that I would probably be the same.

It is just always again and again shocking for me how many people are actually supporting death penalty and also like denounce others life, if it is just outside of their family and friendships.

Also it is very shocking how many people still believe in the old myth of the bad dealers in the backyard of the schools (there maybe but that is the minority), and how many still believe that it is only the drug itself who destroys the life of so many..(I am aware what drugs can do - I am not shy to state I tried many of them, sometimes to much..)..hard drugs are dangerous, and make addictive and destroy life and body further, there is no question about that, but the main problem is to search in the peoples society and the way they grow up and how they grow up and with what kind of future possibilities they face...many had never the luck of growing up in healthy good families....

I know I will get now answers - have you never seen all that poor drug addicted and the kids who died.....I tell you I have, have people in my own family and even worked in drug rehabilitation centers around the world, and may tell you that the reason the people get into addiction is to search in their own life story, as all of the addicted have one in common that is their search for happiness and satisfaction..which is in all of us..some are just so far away from it and never learned how to handle..all these people out there are just crying loud for help!!! and the society just ignore or criminalize them...

She carried drugs, yes 2 kg of cocaine, she have done that for sure in the order of some gang, as nobody at that age just travels to Lima get the staff and fly home, she wouldn't have a clue were to go to get that stuff! She done this about of what reasons ever, maybe money maybe love, maybe she get forced whatever...but for sure she not would get the big cake. Most times it get smuggle by the poor to supply some rich people as they at the end are able to pay that expensive drug.

She have done something which is against law and she also probably knew the penalty, but it is a human behavior not to face the truth and special in Thai way of life to gamble and believe in luck!

It is the person itself who kill their own life..it is not this lady who kill the people and make them addicted..it is their not heard cry for help, and our so called good and educated society ignorance at all. (statements like - they should work something, they should get a life, statements like we have hard worked all our life, this are all criminals, lazy people..make you guys aware - people are not born criminal, lazy, or as drug mule.. they get there out of influence and reason..)

To come back to the topic, it is in no way okay or the right of any law to kill that person, as it does not and never will solve the initial problem, that is my opinion and I fully support it. I have feelings for all people who are sentenced to death, in special for such young adults)and I like the statement of a previous poster a lot: "prohibition makes ppl rich. not safer. and certainly not smarter"

And for the bl, bla, bla poster ahead I am above 50!!!! so no need to ask papa that I can use Google, no need at all experienced much myself in life...And yes I born in good family and life on the bright side of life..I was lucky..others not...I am Civil Engineer and Construction Manager for huge Projects , not that I proud of this or mean something, it just gives you some background info regarding the person who place this words...- since 20 years in Asia..

Edited September 14, 2009 by Syntax

[Syntax]

^people involved in drugs are stupid, but inherently greedy. Greed is usually their undoing.

<deleted>???? This kind of post shows me your wide intellect and shows clearly proper knowledge on this issue..sorry I know that is a personal attack which normal isn't my style of discussion, but I couldn't resist after such words from you....unbelievable statement!

People involved in drugs are stupid????..where you have this from?...should I point you out all the big brains in the history who were actually on drugs! ..just one of them is Einstein, Hesse, Alexander the Great,..many more..

According studies nearly 20% of the doctors who cure drug addicted are themselves drug user..all stupid???...

what kind of sight you have on drugs?..but probably run in every small case of pain to take your paracetamol, or whatever..drugs influence our all life - not only the stupid, greedy, bad guys..what you are talking about??????

Edited September 14, 2009 by Syntax

[britmaveric]

^since you need clarification - illegal narcotics such as cocaine.

[DLock]

TAWP, when you have a response to your plans to "Let's treat the merchandise (hard drugs) as you treat tobacco, alcohol, coffee and tea", you will be worth my time. You strategy of one line snide remarks makes you look foolish.

Syntax, you just proved my point by saying "(I am aware what drugs can do - I am not shy to state I tried many of them, sometimes to much..)". That's exactly the profile of someone who takes your stance.

But I did particularly like this statement "she also probably knew the penalty, but it is a human behavior not to face the truth and special in Thai way of life to gamble and believe in luck!". She knew the risk, she wore a few more amulets that day and she lucked out. It kind of supports my notion that drug people are inherently stupid. Perhaps her faith may have been better placed in the Thai lottery system.

And then there's this gem "hard drugs are dangerous, and make addictive and destroy life and body further, there is no question about that, but the main problem is to search in the peoples society and the way they grow up and how they grow up and with what kind of future possibilities they face...many had never the luck of growing up in healthy good families....". You use this as a reason why some people turn to drugs or muling...

...but then you added "And yes I born in good family and life on the bright side of life..I was lucky..others not"...which totally contradicts your previous statement, proving that stupid does not discriminate.

The prosecution rests your Honor.

[Syntax]

TAWP, when you have a response to your plans to "Let's treat the merchandise (hard drugs) as you treat tobacco, alcohol, coffee and tea", you will be worth my time. You strategy of one line snide remarks makes you look foolish.

Syntax, you just proved my point by saying "(I am aware what drugs can do - I am not shy to state I tried many of them, sometimes to much..)". That's exactly the profile of someone who takes your stance.

But I did particularly like this statement "she also probably knew the penalty, but it is a human behavior not to face the truth and special in Thai way of life to gamble and believe in luck!". She knew the risk, she wore a few more amulets that day and she lucked out. It kind of supports my notion that drug people are inherently stupid. Perhaps her faith may have been better placed in the Thai lottery system.

And then there's this gem "hard drugs are dangerous, and make addictive and destroy life and body further, there is no question about that, but the main problem is to search in the peoples society and the way they grow up and how they grow up and with what kind of future possibilities they face...many had never the luck of growing up in healthy good families....". You use this as a reason why some people turn to drugs or muling...

...but then you added "And yes I born in good family and life on the bright side of life..I was lucky..others not"...which totally contradicts your previous statement, proving that stupid does not discriminate.

The prosecution rests your Honor.

That's exactly the profile of someone who takes your stance. I knew exactly that such commend will come as I stated that I used drugs - and it is exactly this statement of you which shows me no further discussion make sense. You put all this people in the same kind of frame? - only you are on the right side of life, and drug mules have to be sentenced to death??...no more commend! TAWP is right it isn't worth the time to argue with people like you, As you look with closed eyes into your world!- which you think is the only right and good one, not seeing the truth out there and not want to see and understand at all, you are a poor prisoner of your own cut and dried opinions. - I will no more try to convince you that people who using drugs are not necessarily stupid! Just stay with it and believe in it!

You use this as a reason why some people turn to drugs or muling... so you are saying the Thai style of life is stupid? That's why you like the country and there people? or otherwise what you are doing there? To believe in luck is stupid? Your opinion only greedy people turn to such business? Thought ever about that, like stated, people not born greedy, bad, or as smuggler? - isn't there something happened in their life which brought them on their path?...

Hence this woman is in no way a "big criminal" for me, and therefore she have to be sentenced to death!

Its not right what she did, but it is in no way a death penalty! What about sentence her for years working in Rehab Centers to see and help people who are addicted? - wouldn't make that more sense to open some eyes?

And I am the same opinion as others here - drugs should be "free", taxed and sold under official government authority! Some will not solve the drug problem with that step - but some will solve all the murders, criminals behind, gangs business, war machinery, dealers, cut the big guys money and therefore power.....and many deaths would not occurs regarding shit they put in their bodies...this would be not solve the problem, but this would be a big step forwards. If all the money they spend in war on drugs would be spend in facilities to cure people, and in projects to motivate young people towards their future? - this would help much more.

Death penalty does not solve and never solved the problem, and it always the small who get sentenced its never the real "pigs".

Have a good day mate..

[Syntax]

^since you need clarification - illegal narcotics such as cocaine.

Hello britmaveric, I am sorry I attacked you personal - I should not do that!

If it is your opinion - so it should be, mine it's by far not!

[DLock]

Syntax, you are correct. You will never convince me that anyone that is involved with drugs is not stupid...especially in Asia. Drug mules are just a whole nother level of stupid.

My point was that if someone that knows the penalty and still thinks "but it is a human behavior not to face the truth and special in Thai way of life to gamble and believe in luck!" is basically gambling with their life. That was the stakes. She knew them. She CHOSE to roll the dice and came up empty.

In your "special Thai" world people who gamble at the casino and lose should get their money back. Motion denied.

Having an opinion is your right, but trying to control drugs even in the USA does not work...but why not ask Michael Jackson, Heath Ledger or Adam Goldstein how that whole prescription thing is working out for them.

I'm still a bit confused as to why you think a Government would want to legalize and control Heroin, Meth, Cocaine and Crack. Seriously, what possible benefit could this have? You can buy ANY prescription drug in Thailand WITHOUT a prescription. What makes you think Thailand could control hard and dangerous drugs?

Syntax error. Press CTRL ALT DELETE to rethink your argument out all the way.

[Syntax]

Syntax, you are correct. You will never convince me that anyone that is involved with drugs is not stupid...especially in Asia. Drug mules are just a whole nother level of stupid.

My point was that if someone that knows the penalty and still thinks "but it is a human behavior not to face the truth and special in Thai way of life to gamble and believe in luck!" is basically gambling with their life. That was the stakes. She knew them. She CHOSE to roll the dice and came up empty.

In your "special Thai" world people who gamble at the casino and lose should get their money back. Motion denied.

Having an opinion is your right, but trying to control drugs even in the USA does not work...but why not ask Michael Jackson, Heath Ledger or Adam Goldstein how that whole prescription thing is working out for them.

I'm still a bit confused as to why you think a Government would want to legalize and control Heroin, Meth, Cocaine and Crack. Seriously, what possible benefit could this have? You can buy ANY prescription drug in Thailand WITHOUT a prescription. What makes you think Thailand could control hard and dangerous drugs?

Syntax error. Press CTRL ALT DELETE to rethink your argument out all the way.

You are totally right I will really over think my statement and follow your advice, this is the only possible outcome of a discussion with you, yes sir you are right, I have a big error in me, that's why I called myself syntax.

Drug mules are all stupid, and have to be executed and so are all the drug users! - I got it now - took me 50 years that someone with the intellect like you could finally convince me and let me see the truth on that issue - thank you.

Further above I saw you stating you don't want your kids growing up in a world surrounded by drugs, that's why they should be heavy laws and drugs should be closed away from them and all who have to do with drugs should be executed. Wake up!!!! You can't protect your kids like that, drugs are on this world, and a lot of them, no law could ever stop them. It is better to show your kids what not to do and give them a proper way, it is no use to hide the truth from them! I am a father of lovely two daughters to. I try to give my kids information and discuss such with them, to give them knowledge and not to keep them away from reality. The more you keep things away from a teenager the more they show interest in. "Ignorant" ignoring the problem of drugs in human history and life make matters only worse. Kids will face the reality so better show them what they face on their way to be prepared, and know the danger,...not close things away. Heavy laws and death penalty did nothing towards a better drug free world, absolutely nothing - like stated restriction make some people rich, authorities corrupt, criminal organizations grow, the small guys suffer and get executed - just look at the increasing number of drugs on this world! Drugs are the second biggest business on the world, first is the weapon industry..Now drug business is illegal - make it legal and use the money for the good and not to support drug barons! How many good investment could be done to help all the addicted on this world and also to prevent young people to get into this illegal side and in conflict with the law.

Have a nice day "Master"

At least you discussed the issue with some one who had been in contact with drugs, this is already a big step forward for you.

Edited September 15, 2009 by Syntax

[DLock]

No response to any of my points? None?

Sarcasm is a sign of a weak defense, and I note a lot of sarcasm.

But your assumption that you are the first drug USER that I have spoken to is somewhat incorrect. My drug references are irrelevant here, but suffice to say, I have had a lot of experience with people in the drug trade...and mostly, it wasn't a good experience for them.

Perhaps when you have seen what I have seen you would have a different perspective.

I know drugs can alter your perspective of reality.

[Syntax]

sorry double post

Edited September 15, 2009 by Syntax

[Syntax]

How can I respond or discuss with somebody who like to get in a very deep personal attack approach, and like to state only him is right. Your opinion is built up on big ignorance and hate towards everything and everybody which has or had to do with drugs. You not discuss at all you put your view on the table and that's it, that is your own unchangeable reality. You not like to see or listen or discuss with others you only like to adjudge others and attack in special those who ever had been in contact with drugs, with your opinion which is in my knowledge far off reality on the issue, and that's no worth our both time.

I am not here to fight with you or carry out who is right or better in discussions, I don't care that and don't need that at all. I see and read your points and view on the issues, which I gather but can not accept ,for me your statement is just not right as it is just not true! But everybody should have his own opinion accepted or not, I have no trouble with that. I only have trouble with people who give other thinking persons no right and try to write personal attacks instead of sticking to discussion facts.

I also never said I am a drug user! In my "wild" years I tried all kind of drugs is my statement, I never was addicted and I not take drugs since maybe 25 years. Like said I have family and go daily to my work, which is in good position, where fair negotiation an knowledge of people is a basic requirement.

I also not that young or un-experienced that I never saw or know such people, I lost my beloved cousin at the age of 25 years, he was addicted and he lost his life willingly by overdose. He was in no way stupid or greedy, the opposite is true. And still even experienced that I am not only put blind hate toward all those people who are involved in drug business, either as user or as dealer. I just learned to face the problem and I am not convinced that hard penalties will ever change something, as it is proven not the case. It is a shoot in the wrong direction!

I am also not speaking drugs good or any usage of them. If some want to solve the problem some have to go towards the problem and not just try to kill everybody involved. Some have to ask the question why? Why are so many people doing that?, and why are more and more people addicted to drugs?, even there are death penalties?. There is always a small push need to bring a stone to roll, the stone is not just here and roll itself! Some have to see the push to be able to do something for the good and not just kill the rolling stone!If you understand what I mean.

People who doing that are in no way stupid, many times the other is true, so I can not accept your statement like that!

But as said it's not about who win this discussion or who is right. I also don't know how or have the "gral" to solve the issue, I just open for new approaches if old laws not change or help anybody. To kill everybody is just for me a very stupid and lowest law, and is just ignoring reality and for the books, to show governments do something against, which is a total lie.

Nothing against you, and if you are able to discuss in a normal way without stupid commends towards the poster, discussion would make some points and sense with you, but until here it has not, and this is not because of your other opinion! It is the tone who plays the music.

Have a good day, wherever you are.

Edited September 15, 2009 by Syntax

[tb86]

Syntax, you are correct. You will never convince me that anyone that is involved with drugs is not stupid...especially in Asia. Drug mules are just a whole nother level of stupid.

My point was that if someone that knows the penalty and still thinks "but it is a human behavior not to face the truth and special in Thai way of life to gamble and believe in luck!" is basically gambling with their life. That was the stakes. She knew them. She CHOSE to roll the dice and came up empty.

In your "special Thai" world people who gamble at the casino and lose should get their money back. Motion denied.

Having an opinion is your right, but trying to control drugs even in the USA does not work...but why not ask Michael Jackson, Heath Ledger or Adam Goldstein how that whole prescription thing is working out for them.

I'm still a bit confused as to why you think a Government would want to legalize and control Heroin, Meth, Cocaine and Crack. Seriously, what possible benefit could this have? You can buy ANY prescription drug in Thailand WITHOUT a prescription. What makes you think Thailand could control hard and dangerous drugs?

Syntax error. Press CTRL ALT DELETE to rethink your argument out all the way.

You are totally right I will really over think my statement and follow your advice, this is the only possible outcome of a discussion with you, yes sir you are right, I have a big error in me, that's why I called myself syntax.

Drug mules are all stupid, and have to be executed and so are all the drug users! - I got it now - took me 50 years that someone with the intellect like you could finally convince me and let me see the truth on that issue - thank you.

Further above I saw you stating you don't want your kids growing up in a world surrounded by drugs, that's why they should be heavy laws and drugs should be closed away from them and all who have to do with drugs should be executed. Wake up!!!! You can't protect your kids like that, drugs are on this world, and a lot of them, no law could ever stop them. It is better to show your kids what not to do and give them a proper way, it is no use to hide the truth from them! I am a father of lovely two daughters to. I try to give my kids information and discuss such with them, to give them knowledge and not to keep them away from reality. The more you keep things away from a teenager the more they show interest in. "Ignorant" ignoring the problem of drugs in human history and life make matters only worse. Kids will face the reality so better show them what they face on their way to be prepared, and know the danger,...not close things away. Heavy laws and death penalty did nothing towards a better drug free world, absolutely nothing - like stated restriction make some people rich, authorities corrupt, criminal organizations grow, the small guys suffer and get executed - just look at the increasing number of drugs on this world! Drugs are the second biggest business on the world, first is the weapon industry..Now drug business is illegal - make it legal and use the money for the good and not to support drug barons! How many good investment could be done to help all the addicted on this world and also to prevent young people to get into this illegal side and in conflict with the law.

Have a nice day "Master"

At least you discussed the issue with some one who had been in contact with drugs, this is already a big step forward for you.

Your a father of 2,, How can you honestly be pro legalization? Thats just pitiful, you should be ashamed of yourself

[britmaveric]

How about make it legal only if person agrees to getting doped up in a jail cell. Once the narcotics are out of their system they can be released from the jail cell?

[DLock]

Syntax, that was a fair and balanced email.

I'm sorry you lost your cousin, but drugs make bad things happen to good people.

There is simply no place in this world for hard drugs. The legalize argument is a mute one, as I can not see a single positive reason to legally let someone take Heroin, Crack, Meth, Cocaine or other hard drugs, except as Brit says, in the safety of a locked facility.

Tax as a reason to legalize drugs, even if that tax money was put to good use, just doesn't hold water. And unless you can sell it for cheaper than someone can make it, or keep up with the latest home lab drug...the problem can never be controlled.

From my experience, I personally don't think the problem is solvable, and unfortunately, I side with the harshest penalty possible. Death for dealers and mules to try an keep it under some sort of control. Just because people continue not to wear motorcycle helmets, isn't a reason to say its a failure and to give up and legalize not wearing helmets. People sometimes need saving from themselves.

But I agree that education and reform of addicts should be much more prevalent and visible than they are today...and using the harsh realities of what drugs do to people, and what the penalties can be. I would support showing young adults the hanging of drug dealers and even making repeat drug offenders watch a hanging in person...and while I expect few to agree with me, I think some good can come out of a tragic result.

I'm surprised a Father of 2 children, who knows the realities of drugs and lost a beloved cousin has this sort of attitude and I mean that sincerely.

[Syntax]

Thank you Mr DLock, finally you get towards a fair discussion, I appreciate your effort.

To Mr. tb86 - no discussion just state personal, without understanding what I am stand for!

Why should I be ashamed - of what? That I state the now in process law has no meaning at all and do not solve the issue itself, it just makes bad people rich? I am not for drugs, in no way and I don't want to make them to appear harmless, as they are not!!! So please not take my opinion on this matter out of contend?

As stated why not be open to other approaches? You all still believe to kill and hang drug dealers is of some use? Do you guys really think that is the case - if so why doesn't that reflect in reduced numbers of drug addicted world wide? The system failed and further fail!

Also would it not make sense to stop all the clans which are now behind and in power as they earn millions of dollars? There are more people and also innocent people dying in the lost war against drugs! Some can not stop the issue by hard laws, you guys can't deny that! You can kill, hang, flesh or whatever it will not stop by that!

And I said to bring that under government control does not solve the problem drugs do with people, I am fully aware of that, but it cancel out a lot of criminal organizations and killing, it cancel a lot of money and herewith power of the so called mafia organizations, which can be seen today, it is spread into our all live up to highest politic around us, whole parties are supported by drug money. Bringing it under authority control may give governments more cash towards facilities and elucidation campaigns and let better take control of the problem. There are hundreds of addicted out there not getting any place and help in rehab centers as there is just no fiancee.

Should I be ashamed of my opinion, the here above stated opinion???

Whats the matter with you guys, I am against drugs, same as you, very much against at all, after my cousin died I hated all of them and everybody involved had been seen as killer for me, they all killed my beloved. But that is wrong thinking and I realized some can not make others responsible for your own fail, it was not them it is the person itself who did! Some have to change the thinking of the person and his approach to handle his life, but that is not always possible. Some not have to kill the others!

And should I be ashamed that I teach my children of all the bad things in life and not hide or try to hide them away from them? I can not get you here, but that's your opinion, again you make other views on the issue a personal issue in stating - "you should be ashamed!" I am not, to make it clear, in no way.

I not and never say I am in right, as it is not a question of right or not, I just try to face the reality and not hide behind not helping laws. Your opinion is hard law, that's okay but I state it does not solve anything and make matters worse!

Drugs destroy people, families, life's, healthy thoughts and bring a lot of suffer and pain to people and our society yes that is fact, which we all have the knowledge of, but the system in place failed! And nothing else is done towards it???

I am still in the meaning that lady does in no way legitimate a death penalty. Some can not change the world by death penalties and brute force, or war against, history clearly shows that.

To make it clear I am against drugs!!!! - have to write that short so others can follow! But I am against death penalty also!

Edited September 15, 2009 by Syntax

[Syntax]

To Mr.DLock

Sorry I mixed in my statement above a lot which is addressed to the other guy Mr.tb86 - not towards you, but I think you are able to filter out what is meant as answer to your words.

The comparison of the helmet and law issue towards the drug and law is a try and okay, but I think it is not the right one here, as it is proven that to wear a helmet is for the good of the peoples health. But it is also proven that the death penalty and hard laws does not support anything for the good.

Hence we are the same opinion on drugs and both very against, we are just very different in the thoughts towards solving the problem and in our approach to the "drug people" themselves, which could be your best friends or your own family either it is not always far away guys and scum, these are all humans.

You stand for hard laws, death penalty and kill them all, even yourself knowing and stating there and this is no key to solve the issue.

I am against enforcing the laws and death penalty and against approaches to make drug users and the small young mules criminal as I know and can see in the history of drug war it does not bring anything. And to kill people just for the determent of it is not okay for me, special in knowledge it does not help!

So let it stand as it is, nobody of us can blame the other for his opinion, and I not do that to you, even I have another view on the issue itself. Thanks for your time and words.

Have a good day mate.

to Mr britmaveric

In a wide thought you say the same as I, bring it under so called "supervision", help them, give cocaine addicted necessary medication and psychological treatment, give heroin , morphine and opiate addicted - methadone and put them on a program to maybe come away from it and back on feed.

Take away and short cut the criminal mafia clans and powers in an approach to set drugs under government control, not as maybe wrong understood by some, as I just mentioned free, not free in the sense to get it in every supermarket where every kid can buy but away of criminal organization for the users. Maybe I shocked some by making my thoughts not really clear, by the wording free. It will not solve all issues but some, and it will certainly not be for the bad. My opinion which I can't approve either, I know.

Edited September 15, 2009 by Syntax

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again double post - the net sometimes do his own story

Edited September 15, 2009 by Syntax