Refused Visa

[bryangiggs]

Hi all, I am new to this but I am in desperate need of some help. I am 36yrs old & British, My Thai GF has just been refused a visitors visa. I have attached the Refusal of Entry Clearance stating the reasons for the refusal. I think I can sort the non-genuine relationship issue which is bullshit but any advice would be appreciated. The main issue of concern is the reason to return. She has no assests, property etc because she is from a poor background & was paid cash for her job so there are no records of regular income. The other matter is leaving behind her 9yr old daughter who lives with her grandmother but I thought this was common practice in Thailand.

PLEASE HELP ME, yours 'Totally Pissed Off'

Visa_1.pdf

Visa_2.pdf

[torrenova]

You might want to remove your personal details, such as your name, from the files.

[thaiphoon]

Moving to Visas and migration to other countries.

[britmaveric]

Well all needs to be explained in explicit detail. The more supporting documentation to answer the reasons for refusal the better.

How much actual physical time did you spend together in total for the past year?

[torrenova]

Met in December 2008 but there is no evidence of contact until the OP went back to Pattaya in December 2009.

Apparent job in a travel agent in Pattaya since October 2008 but no evidence of salary. Bank book submitted but I'm guessing no evidence of monthly salary receipts into this account or physical salary slips. I would expect a travel agent to provide salary slips and probably evidence of tax payments or contributions to the social fund.

The issue of the 9 year old child and it being left behind has not been addressed.

A month's holiday has been requested but no mention of any letter from the employer is stated nor a leave of absence granted.

No interview was required to reach a decision to reject the application. Can't say I'm surprised by that.

If the OP has known her since December 2008, where is the evidence of contact ? His flights over to Thailand in the interim, emails, Skype exchanges etc. Photos of them together from 2008 and 2009, perhaps Skype screen pictures when she was on webcam ?

Deal with child. In school, unable to travel at this time, cared for by grandmother (?) evidence of maintenance by the GF.

Work. Salary slips, social fund / tax paperwork. Letter on proper company paper from the company stating her date of commencement, job title, salary, annual leave (4 weeks is very high in addition to other holidays) and a letter confirming her job remains open for her.

Reason to return. Lease on her accommodation, deposit paid, child, family, land in parents or family name which will pass to her later in life, family house papers, anything really.

OP's status in the UK, house ownership, lease agreement, job, bank statements, income, utility bills etc.

Looks like a lack of information provided except for the fact that they don't believe she has a job and they don't believe the OP has been in regular contact with her since December 2008.

Fill the gaps in, sort her paperwork out, come back here and ask and then re-apply.

[britmaveric]

I'd create a spreadsheet log for phone calls and sms. Demonstrates contact, but as torrenova indicates it seems like not much supporting info was provided.

[bryangiggs]

Well all needs to be explained in explicit detail. The more supporting documentation to answer the reasons for refusal the better.

How much actual physical time did you spend together in total for the past year?

The first time we met in December 2008 we were together only 3 days but kept in touch, sms, email & phone. I went back to see her December 2009 & we stayed together for 1 month. but if she has no assets, ties etc, what would be a good reason to return?

[britmaveric]

^Job and course family.

-Place of employment needs to write a letter on her behalf - recommendation letter of sorts (character reference) and how she has her current position once she returns from holiday. (On Company letterhead ect)

-proof of income, I would think set amount deposited each month which can be proved by her bank. Then a notarized document that she is paid in cash said amounts if wage slips are a no go.

-Documentation of support and explain the living situation of the child. (primary caregiver is the grand ect)

The more voluminous and thick your packet is the better...

[bryangiggs]

I'd create a spreadsheet log for phone calls and sms. Demonstrates contact, but as torrenova indicates it seems like not much supporting info was provided.

I supplied 12 mnths landline phone bills but use a cheap call number to call Thailand from the UK but this only shows their no. on the bill & not my GF's mobile. But since then I have contacted the phone company & they are providing a letter to explain this. Also I submitted sms evidence & emails which dont seem to have been taken into account

[CharlieB]

I'd create a spreadsheet log for phone calls and sms. Demonstrates contact, but as torrenova indicates it seems like not much supporting info was provided.

I supplied 12 mnths landline phone bills but use a cheap call number to call Thailand from the UK but this only shows their no. on the bill & not my GF's mobile. But since then I have contacted the phone company & they are providing a letter to explain this. Also I submitted sms evidence & emails which dont seem to have been taken into account

When I supplied my phone bills, I had the same problem as you. I printed out all the webpages that had the access number used and 'Thailand' on it from the internet site that I found the access number on. I actually used one site and later changed to another for reliability. I supplied printouts from both and explained. I also popped in a few used international calling cards. I had a few mobile bills with the odd text message to my wifes phone that appeared on them. Basically you need to give them everything you can possibly think of to build up the evidence. Leave things out, or only supply a little and you start off from a weak position.

Edited February 19, 2010 by CharlieB

[hhgz]

"I think I can sort the non-genuine relationship issue which is bullshit..."

Seeing her once a year would not seem to qualify your relationship as "genuine", and that's not bull$hit.

[bryangiggs]

"I think I can sort the non-genuine relationship issue which is bullshit..."

Seeing her once a year would not seem to qualify your relationship as "genuine", and that's not bull$hit.

Spending a month with her travelling Thailand, phoning her at least once/ twice a week, emailing sending sms, photos etc every week, with records of all of this, I would have thought would prove it is genuine.

I am going back 5th March to be with her again & to try & sort the Visa problems. How are you supposed to convey you're feelings in phone records etc.??

[7by7]

As already said, it appears from the refusal notice that the problem is a lack of evidence.

Deal with the points raised in the refusal, supply as much evidence as possible to answer the ECOs concerns and re-apply.

For example, if you use a low cost access number to phone her, then point this out in your sponsor's letter and highlight this in your phone bills.

Also, in your sponsor's letter write a brief history of your relationship so far, the reason for her visit at this time and what your future plans are.

The ECOs are not psychic; if you don't tell them things then they don't know. It is not their job to chase after missing evidence; it is the applicant's responsibility to provide all that may be required.

[rixalex]

"I think I can sort the non-genuine relationship issue which is bullshit..."

Seeing her once a year would not seem to qualify your relationship as "genuine", and that's not bull$hit.

Spending a month with her travelling Thailand, phoning her at least once/ twice a week, emailing sending sms, photos etc every week, with records of all of this, I would have thought would prove it is genuine.

Sounds like it's genuine - but genuine what? To an outsider who has nothing more to go on than the facts you present, it sounds like a genuine holiday romance. Genuine long-term relationship? Not so much. Sorry to be harsh. Not making any judgements. Just saying how it sounds.