Thai Government Will Not Impose Curfew In Bangkok : Suthep

[tigermonkey]

I mean the suppression of the PPP political campaign in the 2007 election, which was ordered by the CNS -- and revealed at the time in their internal memo, which was subsequently leaked --check the facts !

You are making the claim. Post the facts.

I have posted the facts -- and it was common knowledge in 2007 at the time of the election -- but not on television or in most Thai newspapers, which were controlled by the CNS.

I remember articles in Bangkok Post at the time, but can't find them right now.

It's in many of the histories of Thailand, which are free and independent ( Wikipedia maybe?). The Electoral Commission was asked to rule on the matter, and responded that that the CNS was immune to prosecution for their actions under the new constitution which they had created.

The only reference that I can find quickly is facthai.wordpress.com/2007/.../website-article-backs-samaks-accusation-bangkok-post/

[mrtoad]

Be very careful about what you say.....believe it or not some of the posters on Thai Visa believe that they have indepth knowledge of the political processes in Thailand and other countries around the world and swear blind that this is a fair democratically elected legitimate Government ,similar to that of the UK although personally I dont remember the Labour Government's supporters closing down Heathrow airport and going on the rampage through London shooting at people while holding up pictures of Queen Elizabeth 2. These posters also know that the red shirts are wrong to believe that they are the victims of injustice.

I am sure that some people here do have an indepth knowledge of Thai politics, I don't think all are claiming that - but you have ot be pretty blinkered to not understand the electoral process that is in operation in this country. The point in relation to Labour, you have again tried to avoid - at no point was there a suggestion that Labour or Conservative supporters have taken to the streets, the point being clearly though, that a coalition can happen in countries like the UK as the voting system is the same. Just remember Labour could team up with the BNP if they needed those extra seats to reamin in power. Far fetched? Not really, would it be a legitimate government if that was to happen? Yes, under the electoral rules.

[landofthefree]

Be very careful about what you say.....believe it or not some of the posters on Thai Visa believe that they have indepth knowledge of the political processes in Thailand and other countries around the world and swear blind that this is a fair democratically elected legitimate Government ,similar to that of the UK although personally I dont remember the Labour Government's supporters closing down Heathrow airport and going on the rampage through London shooting at people while holding up pictures of Queen Elizabeth 2. These posters also know that the red shirts are wrong to believe that they are the victims of injustice.

I am sure that some people here do have an indepth knowledge of Thai politics, I don't think all are claiming that - but you have ot be pretty blinkered to not understand the electoral process that is in operation in this country. The point in relation to Labour, you have again tried to avoid - at no point was there a suggestion that Labour or Conservative supporters have taken to the streets, the point being clearly though, that a coalition can happen in countries like the UK as the voting system is the same. Just remember Labour could team up with the BNP if they needed those extra seats to reamin in power. Far fetched? Not really, would it be a legitimate government if that was to happen? Yes, under the electoral rules.

Do the electoral rules also endorse coup d'etats whenever it is the whim of the military?

[mrtoad]

Be very careful about what you say.....believe it or not some of the posters on Thai Visa believe that they have indepth knowledge of the political processes in Thailand and other countries around the world and swear blind that this is a fair democratically elected legitimate Government ,similar to that of the UK although personally I dont remember the Labour Government's supporters closing down Heathrow airport and going on the rampage through London shooting at people while holding up pictures of Queen Elizabeth 2. These posters also know that the red shirts are wrong to believe that they are the victims of injustice.

I am sure that some people here do have an indepth knowledge of Thai politics, I don't think all are claiming that - but you have ot be pretty blinkered to not understand the electoral process that is in operation in this country. The point in relation to Labour, you have again tried to avoid - at no point was there a suggestion that Labour or Conservative supporters have taken to the streets, the point being clearly though, that a coalition can happen in countries like the UK as the voting system is the same. Just remember Labour could team up with the BNP if they needed those extra seats to reamin in power. Far fetched? Not really, would it be a legitimate government if that was to happen? Yes, under the electoral rules.

Do the electoral rules also endorse coup d'etats whenever it is the whim of the military?

Still not answered the question

There was an election - the PPP formed a coalition, it collapsed - the Democrats formed a coalition with elected MPs who formed a previous coaliton with the PPP. Which bit don't you understand? It's politics.

[rainman]

They key issue is that Democrats alone don't have the majority. They need the small parties to form a majority government. Now, the people that voted for the small parties thought they were voting for allies of Thaksin, because before they jumped ship and joined the Democrats, the smaller parties were allies of Thaksin. So really, the Thai people were deceived, because they thought that by voting for their small parties, in the end they were voting for the Thaksin government.

Watch the next election (if there ever is one again in Thailand) and then come back to this post. Any pro-Thaksin party (Puea Thai or other) will win by a landslide, while Democrats will get a small percentage and the small parties will be nearly wiped off the map because of their betrayal of their voters.

[Moonrakers]

They key issue is that Democrats alone don't have the majority. They need the small parties to form a majority government. Now, the people that voted for the small parties thought they were voting for allies of Thaksin, because before they jumped ship and joined the Democrats, the smaller parties were allies of Thaksin. So really, the Thai people were deceived, because they thought that by voting for their small parties, in the end they were voting for the Thaksin government.

Christ on a bike.

Edited March 11, 2010 by Moonrakers

[landofthefree]

Be very careful about what you say.....believe it or not some of the posters on Thai Visa believe that they have indepth knowledge of the political processes in Thailand and other countries around the world and swear blind that this is a fair democratically elected legitimate Government ,similar to that of the UK although personally I dont remember the Labour Government's supporters closing down Heathrow airport and going on the rampage through London shooting at people while holding up pictures of Queen Elizabeth 2. These posters also know that the red shirts are wrong to believe that they are the victims of injustice.

I am sure that some people here do have an indepth knowledge of Thai politics, I don't think all are claiming that - but you have ot be pretty blinkered to not understand the electoral process that is in operation in this country. The point in relation to Labour, you have again tried to avoid - at no point was there a suggestion that Labour or Conservative supporters have taken to the streets, the point being clearly though, that a coalition can happen in countries like the UK as the voting system is the same. Just remember Labour could team up with the BNP if they needed those extra seats to reamin in power. Far fetched? Not really, would it be a legitimate government if that was to happen? Yes, under the electoral rules.

Do the electoral rules also endorse coup d'etats whenever it is the whim of the military?

Still not answered the question

There was an election - the PPP formed a coalition, it collapsed - the Democrats formed a coalition with elected MPs who formed a previous coaliton with the PPP. Which bit don't you understand? It's politics.

Yes and there is no vice in Thailand and no corruption and its a very fair and equal society where freedom of speech and civil rights abound unless of course you are born poor.That's real politics in Thailand you can dream on though if you like.

[anotherpeter]

If by 'suppression' you mean preventing PPP street thugs

from suppressing the other sides campaigning, then maybe there was some.

It has for sometime been glaringly clear who does the hardcore suppression

of the rights of the people to hear all sides up in Issan.

And that has been Team Thaksin, and it's street thug branches.

No -- I mean the suppression of the PPP political campaign in the 2007 election, which was ordered by the CNS -- and revealed at the time in their internal memo, which was subsequently leaked --check the facts !

OK ... there were issues on both sides. The problem comes back to "free AND fair elections". This isn't actually a just aimed at one side. This is for all of Thailand.

Given(??) that the next elections are not controlled by the CNS, how do we make sure that everyone is free to campaign?

And we all know that Thaksin was corrupt. And you may say that the Democrats are also corrupt. So, everyone is corrupt. But lets get rid of corruption. Starting at the top. Because Thaksin was the best of them. Don't bring him back, then you can start working on the corruption below that.

[neverdie]

Be very careful about what you say.....believe it or not some of the posters on Thai Visa believe that they have indepth knowledge of the political processes in Thailand and other countries around the world and swear blind that this is a fair democratically elected legitimate Government ,similar to that of the UK although personally I dont remember the Labour Government's supporters closing down Heathrow airport and going on the rampage through London shooting at people while holding up pictures of Queen Elizabeth 2. These posters also know that the red shirts are wrong to believe that they are the victims of injustice.

I am sure that some people here do have an indepth knowledge of Thai politics, I don't think all are claiming that - but you have ot be pretty blinkered to not understand the electoral process that is in operation in this country. The point in relation to Labour, you have again tried to avoid - at no point was there a suggestion that Labour or Conservative supporters have taken to the streets, the point being clearly though, that a coalition can happen in countries like the UK as the voting system is the same. Just remember Labour could team up with the BNP if they needed those extra seats to reamin in power. Far fetched? Not really, would it be a legitimate government if that was to happen? Yes, under the electoral rules.

Do the electoral rules also endorse coup d'etats whenever it is the whim of the military?

Still not answered the question

There was an election - the PPP formed a coalition, it collapsed - the Democrats formed a coalition with elected MPs who formed a previous coaliton with the PPP. Which bit don't you understand? It's politics.

Maybe you should chisel it out in stone for him.

[mrtoad]

Maybe you should chisel it out in stone for him.

Maybe a picture might be better....

[neverdie]

^Hey, is that stool upside down?

Anyway, I was going to say, back on topic and all of that, theres no point in imposing a curfew, when you can just cut the fuel supply lines instead.

[anotherpeter]

There was an election - the PPP formed a coalition, it collapsed - the Democrats formed a coalition with elected MPs who formed a previous coaliton with the PPP. Which bit don't you understand? It's politics.

Yes and there is no vice in Thailand and no corruption and its a very fair and equal society where freedom of speech and civil rights abound unless of course you are born poor.That's real politics in Thailand you can dream on though if you like.

You are saying, just because there is corruption in Thailand, the government is illegitimate.

You're right, the poor have had a raw deal in the past. They haven't had a say, mainly because until the last 10-20 years they didn't know they could have a say. Even now, some of them don't know they have a say. They just listen and believe the village leaders. But that doesn't stop the current government from being legitimate.

I'm still learning what Thaksin did for the poor in the N & NE. They love him, so he must have done something. Whether some of it was cash payments to buy votes, or 30-baht healthcare, or easier and cheaper credit to help them survive (mind you, easier and cheaper credit is what has brought us the GFC). But that doesn't stop him being one of the most corrupt people in Thailand (or was in Thailand), with the 4 billion baht Burma loan so they could buy equipment from his company and various law changes while PM to benefit his company, which many country people don't even know about.

The fact is, the TRT governments and the PPP governments were acceptable to their supporters under the Thai laws. As soon as the Democrats are there under the same laws, they cry foul.

[mrtoad]

Yes and there is no vice in Thailand and no corruption and its a very fair and equal society where freedom of speech and civil rights abound unless of course you are born poor.That's real politics in Thailand you can dream on though if you like.

And the question remains unanswered or avoided again.

I'll entertain you though for a moment - I don't support yellow or red, I find most of the politicans or leaders of factions that support and associate with Thksin at present to be self obsessed, greedy, thugs - Chalerm, Khattiya, Jattaporn, K-Thong etc

Thaksin had an opportunity to make big changes when he was in power - in the way that money and land was dispersed and give opportunities to the poorer parts of society in Thailand - in the end what he gave was far less than what he gave to himself and his cronies. Thailand nees a shakeup - politically, but if you think overthrowing the present government a this point will give power back to the poor than you are sadly mistaken. This isn't about political ideolgy, it's about one mans desperation to regain his power, get his money and have his convictions quashed. He doesn't give on shit about Turdsak, Somchai, Somporn or whoever comes down from Issan. Do you recall Somgkran last year, and his call to fight? Do you remember some of his previous comments about freedom of speech and civil liberties when he was in power? Or how about some of the rather dubious orders that he gave, resulting in the deaths of many? Aligning Thaksin with democracy, freedom of speech and civil liberties, is like saying that Hitler was a cuddly bear.

If it was a real democracy movement, then it would be totally valid, but it isn't and most people who are balanced can see that.

[neverdie]

If it was a real democracy movement, then it would be totally valid, but it isn't and most people who are balanced can see that.

apparently even including blind freddy

[anotherpeter]

They key issue is that Democrats alone don't have the majority. They need the small parties to form a majority government. Now, the people that voted for the small parties thought they were voting for allies of Thaksin, because before they jumped ship and joined the Democrats, the smaller parties were allies of Thaksin. So really, the Thai people were deceived, because they thought that by voting for their small parties, in the end they were voting for the Thaksin government.

Watch the next election (if there ever is one again in Thailand) and then come back to this post. Any pro-Thaksin party (Puea Thai or other) will win by a landslide, while Democrats will get a small percentage and the small parties will be nearly wiped off the map because of their betrayal of their voters.

Rainman ... you have to be kidding ... some of these smaller parties actually campaigned that they wouldn't form a coalition with the PPP, then they did. What does that say about the PPP government??

[MyphuketLife]

If things turn nasty and they do not impose a curfew they might have a lot of scrambled egg on their collective faces.

The last time one of these event went <deleted> faced there was blood floowing down the storm drains in Bangkok.

IF things turn nasty they will impose a curfew, any government would/should.

[animatic]

I mean the suppression of the PPP political campaign in the 2007 election, which was ordered by the CNS -- and revealed at the time in their internal memo, which was subsequently leaked --check the facts !

You are making the claim. Post the facts.

I have posted the facts -- and it was common knowledge in 2007 at the time of the election -- but not on television or in most Thai newspapers, which were controlled by the CNS.

I remember articles in Bangkok Post at the time, but can't find them right now.

It's in many of the histories of Thailand, which are free and independent ( Wikipedia maybe?). The Electoral Commission was asked to rule on the matter, and responded that that the CNS was immune to prosecution for their actions under the new constitution which they had created.

The only reference that I can find quickly is facthai.wordpress.com/2007/.../website-article-backs-samaks-accusation-bangkok-post/

What you have is a acusation by Samak of an alleged memo,

allegedly leaked, and allegedly being put in motion.

Standard boiler plater PPP attacktioneering. Fit into their PR profiling of

what the up country folk were buying into.

Samak may have been destine for the PMs chair shortly, but that wasn't a given and the time,

and they thought they could get traction with this accusation, which couldn't get past the EC review.

MUCH AS JATUPORNS RANTINGS IN PARLIAMENT, AND AT CENSURE MOTIONS, GOES NO WHERE.

[mrtoad]

If it was a real democracy movement, then it would be totally valid, but it isn't and most people who are balanced can see that.

apparently even including blind freddy

You leave blind freddy out of it