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City residents become hostages to red-shirt anarchy

By Sopon Onkgara

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- The red-shirt rallies in the capital, now entering their 4th week, have turned uglier as the days pass. Their rigid demand for the government to dissolve the House within 15 days has become a campaign of terror bordering on anarchy.

City residents are virtually held hostage as the red shirts continue to occupy the entire stretch of Rajdamnoen Avenue. After failing to make any headway in the game of terror, the leaders decided to extend their battle zone to Rajprasong intersection, the heart of the business district, over the weekend.

Business operators in the affected areas have truly experienced the horror of mob rule. Major shopping malls, five-star hotels and other businesses were forced to shut down for fear of violence and the risk of looting when the number of red shirts swelled to over several thousand.

After two nights, initial estimates of damage were in the range of Bt1 billion per day. That's still far below the actual level when other businesses come up with their figures.

These acts have reduced the status of the red-shirt leaders from that of campaigners for democracy - being used as a cloak - to that of terrorists and perpetrators of treason. The tirades vented by the red leaders and their haranguing of the government have been full of the threat of violence and rampage, and the promise to wreck anything in their way. Their acts have no regard or respect for law and order. Despite the government's orders under the National Security Act, preventing demonstrators from entering restricted areas, the red shirts simply show contempt.

Another team rallied outside the Office of the Election Commission yesterday, breaking in for a while before pulling out, after the 5-member commission refused to meet them. All the time, they threatened violence if the Commission does not dissolve the Democrat Party under the charge of violating the election law.

The ring-leaders have become desperate after failing to provoke the government to take tough action such as a city-wide crackdown by troops as in April last year. They want a quick, graceful, face-saving exit, knowing that maintaining a large crowd for a longer period will not be easy. It is also very costly for their paymaster, Thaksin Shinawatra, who wants to wrap up the power game with him as the winner.

Not known to the public is the fact that the red-shirt ringleaders have been fully accommodated at plush 5-star hotels, with meals and luxurious rooms, compared to their comrades who have to suffer on the streets, day and night.

The owners of the hotels in question have long been allies of Thaksin with long-standing business connections and mutual interests, not to mention cosy personal relationships. A shareholder of one of the hotels was also a fiery orator on the red-shirt stage, denouncing the existence of the monarchy and the system Thaksin dislikes.

The fugitive himself has many ongoing battles of his own. He has not been welcomed by the civilised world due to his criminal status and notoriety as a crook with vast assets amassed through abuse of power and blatant corruption. He also has failing health, as shown whenever he turns up on a video link. His face has become less lively, and he has a quickly receding hairline.

That's why he wants this last battle to regain political power to end before the Songkran festival. That's not going to be easy. The government uses legal machinery to deal with the red-shirt mob, refusing to fall into its trap of a crackdown by the security forces.

The government and the business sector, not to mention the public, have to pay a heavy price for the violence-prone rallies of the red shirts. But the government has done virtually nothing to deal with them after their city rampage last April. This is more than just simple disbelief. No other country would condone such chaos.

Now history repeats itself. The same red shirts are causing severe damage to the country, with unknown consequences resulting from either complacency, lack of political will, or whatever.

With extreme tolerance, the people want to give the government a second chance. If it survives the new challenge, it must bring the red-shirt leaders to justice. Thaksin can remain persona non grata in the world community for his treacherous acts.

The country has suffered enough at the hands of the red-shirt leaders, who have enriched themselves with Thaksin's money. The people just want real justice and the restoration of peace. If the government fails to fulfil its duty, it does not deserve another day in office.

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The writer, Sopon Onkgara, is subjective and that's ok. We've had plenty of kid gloves 'studied' reactions - now the gloves are coming off and people are on the receiving end (of the Reds activities) are speaking their minds.

I agree with much of what the writer says.

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Confused as to location of the protesters...

Can I or should I come as planned, today and tomorrow for two nights, from Chonburi, to:

1. Shop at Siam Paragon and Siam Discovery?

2. Visit the nightlife venues known as "Nana Plaza" and "Soi Cowboy" and "Thermae"?

3. Use the BTS and MRT without any fanfare, going to Mo Chit from On Nut and to Chinatown?

Thanks in advance. The news stories never mention Sukhumvit, the BTS or MRT systems.

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Confused as to location of the protesters...

Can I or should I come as planned, today and tomorrow for two nights, from Chonburi, to:

1. Shop at Siam Paragon and Siam Discovery?

2. Visit the nightlife venues known as "Nana Plaza" and "Soi Cowboy" and "Thermae"?

3. Use the BTS and MRT without any fanfare, going to Mo Chit from On Nut and to Chinatown?

Thanks in advance. The news stories never mention Sukhumvit, the BTS or MRT systems.

Answer, 2 out of three ain't bad

#1 is out of the question

#2 and #3 are ok

Comon down

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Another "totally unbiased" story from The Nation.

QUOTE(from article):"Business operators in the affected areas have truly experienced the horror of mob rule."

A loaded statement if there ever was. I was in Big C - opposite Central World Plaza - on Saturday - and yes there were Red-Shirts inside. Some were taking advantage of the air-conditioning and sheltering from the blistering heat on the ground floor - many others were up on the fourth floor eating - others were browsing and shopping on other floors. Business as usual. Everything was civil and orderly.

Yes folks - this truly was the "horror of mob rule."

At the weekend virtually all the big stores in the area were closed. Why?

I get a feeling that the closure of these stores isn't just about security - although they do - of course - have every right to close to the public whenever they want for whatever reason - BUT it also has the effect of being a deliberate - politically motivated move aimed to discredit the Red-Shirt movement in general.

Designed to reinforce the idea to the general public that these ordinary - decent citizens - are an out of control bunch of criminals intent upon criminal activity - which just isn't the case.

I rest my case.

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"City residents become hostages to red-shirt anarchy"

don't forget, the same could be said about the "yellow-shirt anarchy" its mutual or reciprocal.

You have to start coming something other than

"yellow shirts did the same" "True democracy" and "double standards"

Your arguements have been proven baseless over and over on this forum

The red leaders are cowards ... staying in sweet hotels while the mass sleep in the street

Your leaders are inciting violence ..... on and on and on .....

While you sleep in the streets, Taksin is sitting by the pool relaxing ...

You reap what you sow ... the end is near (I hope)

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I think that the reporting (Nation) is getting even more hostile than the actual demonstrations. :)

Couldn't agree more. Maybe that was supposed to be an editorial, but the snippets of news they post on the news thread here are so laced with sarcasm and bias that they should be embarrassed to call themselves journalists.

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HOT: Red-shirts to Defy CAPO Order Not to March on Main Routes

Red-shirt protesters will launch mobile rallies at 11 a.m. on Tuesday on main routes prohibited by the Center for the Administration of Peace and Order (CAPO)

1) Rama IV Road, between Sathon and Sam Yan intersections

2) Sathon Road, between Rama IV and Charoen Krung intersections

3) Silom Road, between Rama IV and Charoen Krung intersections

4) Charoen Krung Road, between Surawong and Sathon intersections

5) Ratchadamri Road, between Ratchadamri BTS Station and Rama IV intersection

6) Phayathai Road, between Sam Yan and Rajthevee intersections

7) Ratchadapisek Road, between Sukhumvit and Rama IV intersections

8) Din Daeng Road, between Ratchadapisek and Thavee Mitra intersections

9) Thavee Mitra Road, between Ratchadapisek and Din Daeng intersections

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The article does come across as biased, not unusual for the Nation, but may be expressing the feelings of many BKKians. However, this statement

a fiery orator on the red-shirt stage, denouncing the existence of the monarchy

if accurate, is a grave mistake. IMO very few of the protesters other than the leaders, would hold any similar views, and may well not want to be associated with them. What is the alternative they proposing? President for life Thaksin?

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The article does come across as biased, not unusual for the Nation, but may be expressing the feelings of many BKKians. However, this statement

a fiery orator on the red-shirt stage, denouncing the existence of the monarchy

if accurate, is a grave mistake. IMO very few of the protesters other than the leaders, would hold any similar views, and may well not want to be associated with them. What is the alternative they proposing? President for life Thaksin?

Now that is what I call a shot in the foot moment if true.

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The article does come across as biased, not unusual for the Nation, but may be expressing the feelings of many BKKians. However, this statement

a fiery orator on the red-shirt stage, denouncing the existence of the monarchy

if accurate, is a grave mistake. IMO very few of the protesters other than the leaders, would hold any similar views, and may well not want to be associated with them. What is the alternative they proposing? President for life Thaksin?

a fiery orator on the red-shirt stage, denouncing the existence of the monarchy

Quite frankly I find this hard to believe. On stage this would be an absolute 'no-no'.

OzMick - I think if anything Thaksin is slowly being marginalised by the Red-Shirt movement and could well be side-lined very soon - seen as a liability.

As I've mentioned before - the protests are about the alleged double standards of this present Abhisit government - the behind the scenes power that Prem yields - an undemocratically elected government - a government for all intents and purposes controlled by the military - rampant corruption - and more equality - both social and economic for the ordinary decent citizens of this country - particularly for those living up-country and a shift in power away from the old ruling elite.

High ideals.

But that's what it's all about. And IMHO the sooner - the better.

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Simcity, could you please highlight in the article where any hotel was nominated? I see no such reference, only to the rating of the hotel as 5 star. Are you saying that Khun Sopon wouldn't have sufficient funds to stay at a hotel the Red Shirt leaders would choose?

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"City residents become hostages to red-shirt anarchy"

don't forget, the same could be said about the "yellow-shirt anarchy" its mutual or reciprocal.

I think the red shirts and yellow shirts are getting pretty even with their violence and economic damage.

The yellow shirts occupied the government house and the area and then moved out to the airport.

The reds shirts occupied the government house area and then moved to Ratchaprasong.

The yellow shirts may be slightly ahead with the economic damage with the shutdown of the airport, but I think the red shirts are ahead on the violence front with them forcing the abandonment of an international conference, and especially with threatening to blow up a gas tanker in a residential area.

You could go back a little bit further with Thaksin and the coup. The coup caused damage because, well, a coup is a coup. And Thaksin caused damage because of his moves to remove checks and balances and his corruption while he was PM.

People could argue forever about which group or event has been worse, but no one can argue that they all caused damage to Thailand.

One thing you can't argue with is ALL of it is caused by Thaksin. And it will continue on until Thaksin is out of the picture.

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Biased article, i am sure Sopon Onkgara will not stay to the hotel in question. Totally yellow article without faire merit

It's out of the Nation. While probably not yellow, it's most likely anti-red.

One thing you have to remember, anti-red does not mean yellow.

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The article does come across as biased, not unusual for the Nation, but may be expressing the feelings of many BKKians. However, this statement

a fiery orator on the red-shirt stage, denouncing the existence of the monarchy

if accurate, is a grave mistake. IMO very few of the protesters other than the leaders, would hold any similar views, and may well not want to be associated with them. What is the alternative they proposing? President for life Thaksin?

a fiery orator on the red-shirt stage, denouncing the existence of the monarchy

Quite frankly I find this hard to believe. On stage this would be an absolute 'no-no'.

OzMick - I think if anything Thaksin is slowly being marginalised by the Red-Shirt movement and could well be side-lined very soon - seen as a liability.

As I've mentioned before - the protests are about the alleged double standards of this present Abhisit government - the behind the scenes power that Prem yields - an undemocratically elected government - a government for all intents and purposes controlled by the military - rampant corruption - and more equality - both social and economic for the ordinary decent citizens of this country - particularly for those living up-country and a shift in power away from the old ruling elite.

High ideals.

But that's what it's all about. And IMHO the sooner - the better.

I don't see any replacement candidates emerging. Mr "Law and Order" Chalerm, Weng, Jatuporn - I don't think so. IMO, and I know controversial, Pres was exactly what Thaksin was aiming for, all the moves in place waiting for the correct time (which I'm probably not allowed to specify.) I applaud the military for his bloodless removal, though in hindsight, it may well have been better for the country if they had shot the mongrel.

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Simcity, could you please highlight in the article where any hotel was nominated? I see no such reference, only to the rating of the hotel as 5 star. Are you saying that Khun Sopon wouldn't have sufficient funds to stay at a hotel the Red Shirt leaders would choose?

:) What's the bet they are being put up by The Pullman owned by the King Power crooks (who like to see themselves as "elite" (polo, entertaining Britich princes) uuuugh!

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Another "totally unbiased" story from The Nation.

QUOTE(from article):"Business operators in the affected areas have truly experienced the horror of mob rule."

A loaded statement if there ever was. I was in Big C - opposite Central World Plaza - on Saturday - and yes there were Red-Shirts inside. Some were taking advantage of the air-conditioning and sheltering from the blistering heat on the ground floor - many others were up on the fourth floor eating - others were browsing and shopping on other floors. Business as usual. Everything was civil and orderly.

Yes folks - this truly was the "horror of mob rule."

At the weekend virtually all the big stores in the area were closed. Why?

I get a feeling that the closure of these stores isn't so much about security - although they do - of course - have every right to close to the public whenever they want for whatever reason - BUT more a politically motivated move aimed to discredit the Red-Shirts.

Designed to reinforce the idea to the general public that these ordinary - decent citizens - are an out of control bunch of criminals intent upon criminal activity - which just isn't the case.

The original post is a little over the top:

- Yes there are street protests which are causing inconveninece but 'held hostage' is not a fair analysis'

- However, the suggestion that the shop owners closed their premises to try to make the reds look bad is ridicilous. The shop owners are interested in three things only:

- Making money any way you can. Be realistic 99% of more of these shopowners are pure capitalists, money is their god, do you really think they will close their shops (and still have to pay very expenive rents) just to make the red shirts look bad. A ridiculous notion.

- The security of their premises and their expensive stock.

- Their personal safety and that of their employees.And they should take the safety of their employees seriously.

Very very few people on this webboard see the red rank and file as criminals, in fact many see the red rank and file as victims of thaksin and his murky lieutenants. And victioms of a system which should have corrected decades ago.

(And many people still don't realize / don't want to accept, that PM Abhisit and K. Korn have already started, months ago, to develop policies and institute reforms which will give all Thais a better quality of like, a better sharing of the overall wealth of Thailand, and better opportunities.)

Are the reds totally non-violent as some posters would have us believe? No, and there plenty of examples. And there are many examples of thaksin and thakins lieutenants strongly inciting the rank and file towards violence and hatred.

They want democracy (at least that's one of their claims, which seem to change regularly), well that's not new news, Thailand has been working towards a strong democracy for decades (all be it very slowly) which includes freedom of speech and the right to be heard without intimidation. and the right to conduct protests, but they don't have the right to drag government officials or any other people out of their offices etc. Governments officials are people, they are Thai people they have rights not be intimidated because of their work or for any other reason.

(And let's not forget that thaksin said many time "I'm not interested in democracy", "democracy is not important for Thailand" and more...)

The reds also claim they are against double standards, well if they expect to be able to protest without intimidation then they must repect the rights of others to go about thier normal business without intimidation and must allow other peorple and other groups to also speak freely without intimidation.

In fact here's two examples of how they have broken 'the rules'

- When some Chula people spoke out they were threaten by the red shirts and basically told to shut up or they would be punished.

- When some members of parliament have attempted to speak in CM, Udon, and Ubon, they were threatened with violence and severely intimidate, and they fled for their lives.

They want fair justice for all, they want cases against people who they see as 'the enemy' speeded up, but they have never ever asked for the cases against thaksin and sanoh in regard to the discgraceful Alpine golf scandal to be speeded up.

The bottom line is very simple, all of this is a smokescreen, and not a very good one, over a nasty attempt to gain a pardon for a very corrupt and ruthless meglomaniac and a return to a constitution (writtten by corrupt politicians with, deliberately, zero input and analysis by the general public) which makes vote buying easy.

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I observed some of the frustration of the typical Bangkok residents yesterday, as I was walking along Phaholyothin and a convoy of red pickups came past on their way to ECC. The lead trucks stopped along the way and handed out red flags and only some people would accept them. When the main body of the convoy started coming through with their speakers blaring and the traffic becoming clogged, most of the people I saw were not at all pleased. I heard a lot of disparaging comments, such as "I am tired of all these loud speakers", "why don't they leave us alone", and "I'm really getting bored with these people [buah]". And then one woman to another woman who was standing next to me "be careful and don't speak - they might start boxing you". These were not the so-called Ammataya, but just everyday people who are starting to feel very frustrated and just want their lives to get back to normal.

From what I saw yesterday, with the heat and feelings rising on behalf of Bangkok residents, I fear that sooner or later people will begin to snap and someone will start throwing something at a red convoy, or punches will be traded, and then we will see true anarchy on the streets.

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Biased article, i am sure Sopon Onkgara will not stay to the hotel in question. Totally yellow article without faire merit

It's out of the Nation. While probably not yellow, it's most likely anti-red.

One thing you have to remember, anti-red does not mean yellow.

You will find this writer is TOTALLY YELLOW. If you have read his articles in the past he is as biased as they get.

Firstly, people have to appreciate the owners of the local English media in Thailand are very Yellow. The media moguls have hated Thaksin for many years, since about 2002 when he upset them.

What they like to do is attempt to "slur" the Reds and Thaksin with baseless rumours, slurs, "unnamed source" comments etc.. which have no standing but serve to feed the masses. The comment about the speaker is a classic, its not happened, if it did the person would be arrested by the Red Guards and handed over to police......but that it did not happen is not an issue the writer wants to "stir up" those who simply read tha artcile but cannot be bothered to check exactly how true it is.

The headline of the article gives it all away with the comment of "Hostage".

Nobody is held hostage in Bangkok. All area's are accessible by foot and BTS etc.. Shops are open all over the city and the touristy area of Sukuhmuvit carries on as normal.

The Yellows are getting more and more desperate and will resort to more and more biased and inaccurate reports in the media, their desperation is showing which means the Reds are winning over more and more.

Be very careful of the Yellows (or if they wear Pink shirts and try to blend in with normal Thai's wearing pink for their special reason). They will resort to more and more desperate measures and could really ratchet up the violence, we can all hope not as the Reds are doing a fine job in making their point in a non-violent way.

The Yellows think they are "above the law" , they are the "elite foot solidiers" and no policeman can touch them and no court can convict them, this is a dangerous state of play.

The Reds have been convicted, many imprisoned in the past BUT THE YELLOWS never have.

Therefore we have to be very careful of the Yellows as they could turn this all very violent in order to YET AGAIN, get their way.

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Confused as to location of the protesters...

Can I or should I come as planned, today and tomorrow for two nights, from Chonburi, to:

1. Shop at Siam Paragon and Siam Discovery?

2. Visit the nightlife venues known as "Nana Plaza" and "Soi Cowboy" and "Thermae"?

3. Use the BTS and MRT without any fanfare, going to Mo Chit from On Nut and to Chinatown?

Thanks in advance. The news stories never mention Sukhumvit, the BTS or MRT systems.

Hi!

The shopping centers you mentioned might be closed again, but Nana and Cowboy were business as usual in the last few nights, and I see no reason whythis should change today.

Give me a call when you"re in town, maybe we can hook up, as I am inBangkok til tomorrow.

Sunny

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Simcity, could you please highlight in the article where any hotel was nominated? I see no such reference, only to the rating of the hotel as 5 star. Are you saying that Khun Sopon wouldn't have sufficient funds to stay at a hotel the Red Shirt leaders would choose?

:) What's the bet they are being put up by The Pullman owned by the King Power crooks (who like to see themselves as "elite" (polo, entertaining Britich princes) uuuugh!

Yes must be, he got a good helping in the new airport.

One thing i can give to this guy, he is good to his staffs, downturn or not, he will not fire them, he is well like by his employees.

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"City residents become hostages to red-shirt anarchy"

don't forget, the same could be said about the "yellow-shirt anarchy" its mutual or reciprocal.

I think the red shirts and yellow shirts are getting pretty even with their violence and economic damage.

The yellow shirts occupied the government house and the area and then moved out to the airport.

The reds shirts occupied the government house area and then moved to Ratchaprasong.

The yellow shirts may be slightly ahead with the economic damage with the shutdown of the airport, but I think the red shirts are ahead on the violence front with them forcing the abandonment of an international conference, and especially with threatening to blow up a gas tanker in a residential area.

You could go back a little bit further with Thaksin and the coup. The coup caused damage because, well, a coup is a coup. And Thaksin caused damage because of his moves to remove checks and balances and his corruption while he was PM.

People could argue forever about which group or event has been worse, but no one can argue that they all caused damage to Thailand.

One thing you can't argue with is ALL of it is caused by Thaksin. And it will continue on until Thaksin is out of the picture.

No. The country was running fine under Thaksin and the TRT. There were no problems at all, the people were happy apart from a few elite in Bangkok who were not getting their cut and wanted a return to the Democrats were they get their cut.

A bunch of elite sponsered Yellow shirts started causing problems. So this all goes back to the Yellows who started the problems first and would not accept the election results.

Then there was a coup.

Another election and the same Yellow shirts cause problems again.

The blame for all this mess goes down to the Elite and their Yellow sponsered shirts who will not accept Democracy and want to force their will on the people.

If there were no Yellow shirts and no coup - there would be no problems now and Thaksin would likely have been voted out now by the people under Deomcratic means.

The mess is caused not by Thaksin, the mess is caused by those that hate him, those that have broken the law of the 1997 consitition by holding a coup.

If you want a double standard lets start at the beginning.

A few people were paid lots of money to break the law and hold a coup, a crime punishable as treason under the 1997 constitution.

However, they ripped up the consititon and granted themselves "immunity"

Why are they allowed to do that ? Do you see where the double standards started ?

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The fugitive himself has many ongoing battles of his own. He has not been welcomed by the civilised world due to his criminal status and notoriety as a crook with vast assets amassed through abuse of power and blatant corruption. He also has failing health, as shown whenever he turns up on a video link. His face has become less lively, and he has a quickly receding hairline.

The author is a class A idiot. Whether or not we like Mr. Thaksin, he has been able to fly around the world unfettered.No one has stopped him. The author has insulted Dubai and by extension the Gulf States. Considering that the ToT wants lots and lots of arab tourists, is it wise to call the desired market uncivilised?

However, I am sure the bald members of Thai Visa may wish to voice their protests. Since when has a receding hairline been a sign of poor health? There are a great many beloved figures in Thailand with receding hairlines, including PM Abhisit. And <deleted> is a face that has become less lively? PM Abhisit has droopy jowls now because of the current stress from this mess. So what?

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No. The country was running fine under Thaksin and the TRT. There were no problems at all, the people were happy apart from a few elite in Bangkok who were not getting their cut and wanted a return to the Democrats were they get their cut.

A bunch of elite sponsered Yellow shirts started causing problems. So this all goes back to the Yellows who started the problems first and would not accept the election results.

Then there was a coup.

Another election and the same Yellow shirts cause problems again.

The blame for all this mess goes down to the Elite and their Yellow sponsered shirts who will not accept Democracy and want to force their will on the people.

If there were no Yellow shirts and no coup - there would be no problems now and Thaksin would likely have been voted out now by the people under Deomcratic means.

The mess is caused not by Thaksin, the mess is caused by those that hate him, those that have broken the law of the 1997 consitition by holding a coup.

If you want a double standard lets start at the beginning.

A few people were paid lots of money to break the law and hold a coup, a crime punishable as treason under the 1997 constitution.

However, they ripped up the consititon and granted themselves "immunity"

Why are they allowed to do that ? Do you see where the double standards started ?

Thaksin was a corrupt dictatorial thief, changing the laws to specifically benefit his own business, putting people HE controlled in all the important positions while he was Prime Minister. It stopped when he tried to put his people at the head of the army. That would have given HIM control over everything. That would have made him the dictator he wanted to be.

Which election results did the Yellows dispute? The 2006 election where Thaksin couldn't form a government. The one where their was no voter privacy, so others could see how people voted. The one where the Constitutional Court (not junta appointed) says was invalid. The one where Thaksin was trying to change the law so that he could still become PM even though it was an invalid election?

If you want double standards, then start at the beginning. Go back to the Thaksin case in 2001 where he was found not guilty of improper assets declaration.

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