Thai Authorities Shut Down Red-Shirts Protesters Tv Station

[lannarebirth]

I wasn't thinking about taxes but that will feed in later. When I think of land reform I'm thinking of the millions of Thais eeking out a living from land they hold no decent title to. What a frightening way to live. Just to become master of your own domain rather than the equivalant of a "tenant farmer" is a huge psychological shift IMO.

What a crap. Most of the "poor Thais" own the land their farms stand on. It has been in their families for generations. Just because they own a piece of land doesn't mean they're rich. The land prices in the North and North-East can hardly be compared with the pieces of land in Sukhumvit, for example. Their entire farm land is barely worth more than a square meter of Sukhumvit land.

You really know nothing. Thanks for clearing that up.

Get out of Bangkok sometime. Millions of Thais hold land that they lay registered claim to but not title. Some of the claims have existed for decades, some as a result of "degraded forests". It's you who doesn't seem to know anything about the many land ownership schemes that have been launched here in Thailand. Some by your hero Thaksin as part of his populist policies. Get out much?

Do you have a credible source for that or is that a made up number?

Jesus! rainman, you never heard of a Por Bor Tor 5, Sor Kor 1, Sor Tor Kor, (amongst others) title? How long you been here?

http://www.isaanlawonline.com/Land_law_2.html

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/3256...de-on-final-day

[jdinasia]

Hmmmmm apparently Rainman doesn't "get" what you mean with "land they hold no decent title to". Oh well

Care to explain further? Or is spinning all you can do?

There are two types of rights to private land

The first is the right of possession (Possessoary right), i.e. people who

possess and use the benefit of land will have the right to possess such

land under the Civil and Commercial Code.

The second is ownership by a person who has a title deed and documents

concerning the land.

Sor. Kor 1 ....

it continues with the types of land deeds

http://www.chiangmai-property.thailand-rea...Land_Titles.htm

and here is a nice paper on land reform/ land title reform etc ... 9 pages

http://siteresources.worldbank.org/INTWDR2...and_titling.pdf

[jdinasia]

Now --- Back to Chevalit --- took the responsibility for Oct 7th attack on the PAD. Was a cabinet level minister and then the PM during the 1997 Asian meltdown that Thailand kicked off... Is Thai Chinese AND a General (aren't those 2 things that the reds are screaming about ?-- at least the ones on here are!

[rainman]

Thanks for the links. Your statement of "millions" of Thais earlier was a bit misleading, since the Land Department put the estimates "at approximately one million". Might I suggest not exaggerating next time?

[lannarebirth]

Thanks for the links. Your statement of "millions" of Thais earlier was a bit misleading, since the Land Department put the estimates "at approximately one million". Might I suggest not exaggerating next time?

C'mon that was a single type of document that got upgraded. Your number doesn't include all the other pieces of land, holding other crappy ownership documents. Believe me, it's millions.

[rainman]

Thanks for the links. Your statement of "millions" of Thais earlier was a bit misleading, since the Land Department put the estimates "at approximately one million". Might I suggest not exaggerating next time?

C'mon that was a single type of document that got upgraded. Your number doesn't include all the other pieces of land, holding other crappy ownership documents. Believe me, it's millions.

Do you have a credible source for that statement?

Just kidding.

[jdinasia]

Thanks for the links. Your statement of "millions" of Thais earlier was a bit misleading, since the Land Department put the estimates "at approximately one million". Might I suggest not exaggerating next time?

There are still millions of Thais that are sitting on land claimed by possession only. The land titles on any other pieces of land are not yet clear and some have multiple deeds that have been issued etc.

My Thai family has benefited quite a bit from Thaksin's failed schemes by buying lands that farmers could not pay the loans on as they came due. I could almost like Thaksin for that if it weren't for the fact that he bled his own followers dry and the fact that I don't like seeing anyone lose their land over something as stupid as bad loans that should never have been approved.

Now --- You were suggesting Chevalit? The Sino-Thai, General, Leader that promised not to devalue the baht but did a couple of days later, leader that added the final straw that sunk Asia in 1997, Deputy PM that took responsibility for Oct 7th? (making him the Deputy PM during most of the issues with the Rohingya!) ---- That's the Red shirt you suggest for PM?

[animatic]

Back to Chevalit ---- with all those strikes against him that is who you want to suggest Rainman?

The fact that he took over during a financial crisis and then had to leave is a strike against him? Hardly.

Far worse decision is choosing Kasit as Foreign Monister, who assisted in causing Thailand billions in damages and stranded tens of thousands of tourists. Think about that, the future Foreign Minister preventing tourists from leaving.

By the way, what toy did you get with your happy meal today, jdinasia? Maybe you can swap your toy with someone if you've got it twice.

You mean when Chavalit, misconstrued, misundersood, mispoke, what he could/would/shoulda done...

announced no devaluation on a Friday, by Tuesday devalued the baht, the Baht went into freefall

and The Asian Tiger Economy crashed to the gunwale's.

Billions lost in ALL currencies for all nations across all of ASEAN.

And when Junior Gov. member Thaksin made a prefectly hedged killing

on a devaluation that wasn't supposed to happen at all, and caused

billions to be lost to most Thais for years on end...

Oh that strike against Chavalit.... had to leave...

yeah his government tanked from utter mismanagement.

Books have been written about it.

But now he's back a mediator! The joy is trenchant.

[longway]

I believe Abhisit was opening a shopping center in Lad Phrao that day, he couldn't possibly had time to do it. It's absurd to think that a boy like Abhisit ordered anything larger than a happy meal with a number 3 toy.

Looks like he didn't get a free toy in his last happy meal and now he's pi**ed.

The 'boy' has defied a billionnaire with his organised gang of threatening thugs and ex military mercenaries for over a year.

In that time he's given free education for 15 years, reformed the rice mortgage scheme to cover 5 million farmers rather than Thaksin's 500,000, and yesterday granted debt moratoriums to over 500,000 farmers.

Coming up soon is land reform.

All with money borrowed from the World Bank, which the ordinary Thai people then have to pay off for the rest of their lives.

Now that they are starting to get back the money that Thaksin stole from the ordinary Thai people they won't have to borrow quite so much.

[Thai at Heart]

You mean when Chavalit, misconstrued, misundersood, mispoke, what he could/would/shoulda done...

announced no devaluation on a Friday, by Tuesday devalued the baht, the Baht went into freefall

and The Asian Tiger Economy crashed to the gunwale's.

Billions lost in ALL currencies for all nations across all of ASEAN.

And when Junior Gov. member Thaksin made a prefectly hedged killing

on a devaluation that wasn't supposed to happen at all, and caused

billions to be lost to most Thais for years on end...

Oh that strike against Chavalit.... had to leave...

yeah his government tanked from utter mismanagement.

Books have been written about it.

But now he's back a mediator! The joy is trenchant.

The first time I heard that Thaksin made a killing on the devaluation was about a week after the event. Until now it is all hearsay.

Is there anyone out there who can prove with truth from looking at the AIS accounts and public statements that he actually planned to avoid the potential forex loss?

You could ask Chavalit himself, but I fear he couldn't remember if he tried.

[jdinasia]

You mean when Chavalit, misconstrued, misundersood, mispoke, what he could/would/shoulda done...

announced no devaluation on a Friday, by Tuesday devalued the baht, the Baht went into freefall

and The Asian Tiger Economy crashed to the gunwale's.

Billions lost in ALL currencies for all nations across all of ASEAN.

And when Junior Gov. member Thaksin made a prefectly hedged killing

on a devaluation that wasn't supposed to happen at all, and caused

billions to be lost to most Thais for years on end...

Oh that strike against Chavalit.... had to leave...

yeah his government tanked from utter mismanagement.

Books have been written about it.

But now he's back a mediator! The joy is trenchant.

The first time I heard that Thaksin made a killing on the devaluation was about a week after the event. Until now it is all hearsay.

Is there anyone out there who can prove with truth from looking at the AIS accounts and public statements that he actually planned to avoid the potential forex loss?

You could ask Chavalit himself, but I fear he couldn't remember if he tried.

kinda like rumours of what happened to get Newin etc change sides ....

[Thai at Heart]

You mean when Chavalit, misconstrued, misundersood, mispoke, what he could/would/shoulda done...

announced no devaluation on a Friday, by Tuesday devalued the baht, the Baht went into freefall

and The Asian Tiger Economy crashed to the gunwale's.

Billions lost in ALL currencies for all nations across all of ASEAN.

And when Junior Gov. member Thaksin made a prefectly hedged killing

on a devaluation that wasn't supposed to happen at all, and caused

billions to be lost to most Thais for years on end...

Oh that strike against Chavalit.... had to leave...

yeah his government tanked from utter mismanagement.

Books have been written about it.

But now he's back a mediator! The joy is trenchant.

The first time I heard that Thaksin made a killing on the devaluation was about a week after the event. Until now it is all hearsay.

Is there anyone out there who can prove with truth from looking at the AIS accounts and public statements that he actually planned to avoid the potential forex loss?

You could ask Chavalit himself, but I fear he couldn't remember if he tried.

kinda like rumours of what happened to get Newin etc change sides ....

Just would like to be enlightened that is all, because it is a logical story, but there should be trail to prove it.

What made Thaksin any more important than say any of the banking families that went to the wall at the same time?

As for Newin, of course, he saw the light and changed for the good of the country. A politician in the world who honestly did something for the good of the country. Please grant the guy sainthood.

You never asked for a conversation in private. So be it.

Being a story widely spoken about by us on here doesn't make it true.

Edited April 8, 2010 by Thai at Heart

[MAJIC]

Abhisit is surely in his last days having all but committed political suicide. It wasn't enough for him to censor virtually all opposition media. He has just pre-empted the evening soap opera in the middle of the episode. The Thai people will never forgive this act against them.

Wishful thinking and remains to be seen.

If the Reds do manage to bring down the best PM they are ever likely to get,then God help Thailand!

[monkfish]

Gee feels like N. Korea

do they do this sort of thing in US as well?

[BigC]

wonder if the Pm would have shut down ASTV. fair is fair. maybe not

[boldone]

and who do you think supports these reds so they can stay away from their jobs for one month, throw bombs, beat up decent bkk people?

this is how you do your work?

this is the person you hire to work for you?

You BKK / Thai people should show respect to your country and your King!

oppose the red protest with the biggest pink protest ever seen:

red go home!

no more stealing

no more violence

no more blood

no more red

Thaksin come home, serve your country, in jail!

[rainman]

and who do you think supports these reds so they can stay away from their jobs for one month, throw bombs, beat up decent bkk people?

this is how you do your work?

this is the person you hire to work for you?

You BKK / Thai people should show respect to your country and your King!

oppose the red protest with the biggest pink protest ever seen:

red go home!

no more stealing

no more violence

no more blood

no more red

Thaksin come home, serve your country, in jail!

Your first post on this forum? Stealing? What have the red shirts stolen? You're out of touch with reality, buddy.

[shawndoc]

wonder if the Pm would have shut down ASTV. fair is fair. maybe not

If they were breaking the law in the same way, I'm sure he would.

[Rinrada]

wonder if the Pm would have shut down ASTV. fair is fair. maybe not

If they were breaking the law in the same way, I'm sure he would.

and of HE is the one who decides if they were breaking the law......gorra LAFF.....

...must be a graduate of the Billy Bunter school of acting

[LuckyLew]

So anyways, where is the 'Rohingya incident' report that Abhisit promised?

WOW you ask a lot of questions ...

but you seem to be unwilling to answer any posed to you

15 minutes to wopner

[LuckyLew]

So, which "Thai Chinese" would that be then Rainman?

FF

You're not getting the answer you're looking for, it seems. No need to use up valuable ThaiVisa server storage space posting the same thing over and over. Let's move back on topic

Another question you do not answer .... hmmmmm

You have lots of questions and comments but no answer

[4223rhodes]

So, which "Thai Chinese" would that be then Rainman?

FF

You're not getting the answer you're looking for, it seems. No need to use up valuable ThaiVisa server storage space posting the same thing over and over. Let's move back on topic

Another question you do not answer .... hmmmmm

You have lots of questions and comments but no answer

Welcome to Thailand! Stick around and you'll come to understand why simple questions answered lead to imprisonment by Abhisit's junta!

[KireB]

The yellow shirts were inside the government building for 8 months and wrecked absolutely everything - even took 2 international airports hostage for nearly 2 weeks. Yet they're still free and a court decision nowhere even near. The only court decision that's happening on April 20th is if they at all will be prosecuted. If they do, there will be another half-decade long trial.

And the red shirts? They were on the grounds of the government building for 20 minutes and didn't damage anything, yet the government issues arrest warrants right away.

See the double standards?

The double standard parrot has spoken.

After the Asean Summit and Songkran riots last year, your trump card no longer holds value.

The Reds have broken the law and will be arrested. Thaksin has stolen billions and is a criminal.

Its very simple actually. But you seem to keep defending criminals. I wonder why?

[webfact]

DSTATION

Govt cracks down on red media

By The Nation

BANGKOK: -- The government yesterday effectively ended transmission of the People Channel (PTV) satellite broadcaster, which it said had incited public unrest.

Under the state of emergency declared on Wednesday, the government also shut down PTV and its related websites, as well as another 10,000 pornographic and other websites deemed "inappropriate".

In addition, community radio stations inciting public unrest will be the next targets.

The Information and Communi-cations Technology (ICT) Ministry said Thaicom, the satellite operator, had cooperated so both C- and Ku-band transmissions were suspended as of yesterday.

Regarding C-band transmission, Thaicom has asked its counterpart in Israel to stop uplinking PTV's signals. In addition, the PTV station at Imperial Department Store in the Lat Phrao area was barred from transmitting its signals to another satellite operated by the Netherlands, and so the Ku-band transmission was also suspended.

PM's Office Minister Satit Wongnongtaey said: "The demonstrators are trying to have the on-air link resumed. I'd like to inform you that the authorities needed to suspend the broadcasts because the content contained distorted facts and was aimed at inciting unrest."

He said the authorities would later deal with community radio stations that broadcast such messages from the protest sites at the Rajprasong intersection and the Phan Fa Bridge. He said authorities would also target the Voice of Thaksin magazine.

Satit said the actions taken by the authorities were not aimed at persecuting anyone, or any group of people. He explained they were lawful under the emergency decree declared on Wednesday, which was aimed at maintaining internal security and peace.

Satit said the government earlier had no intention of taking any action against PTV as the damaged parties could have sued for defamation.

Veteran politician Chaturon Chaisaeng, who is a protest leader, denounced the government decision to declare a state of emergency. He said in a Twitter message that the government had violated the Constitution by limiting the right of public gathering without sufficient reason.

In a related development, the Thai Journalists' Association and the Thailand Cable Television Association yesterday issued a joint statement denouncing the government's discontinuation of PTV's broadcast and blockade of related websites.

Meanwhile, an ICT source said websites deemed to have broadcast content insulting the monarchy had also been shut down under the emergency rule. Earlier, the government sought court orders to close more than 9,000 different URLs.

-- The Nation 2010-04-09

[newsfooter][/newsfooter]

[4223rhodes]

Looks like the Thought Police are working overtime!

[vicco]

The yellow shirts were inside the government building for 8 months and wrecked absolutely everything - even took 2 international airports hostage for nearly 2 weeks. Yet they're still free and a court decision nowhere even near. The only court decision that's happening on April 20th is if they at all will be prosecuted. If they do, there will be another half-decade long trial.

And the red shirts? They were on the grounds of the government building for 20 minutes and didn't damage anything, yet the government issues arrest warrants right away.

See the double standards?

The double standard parrot has spoken.

After the Asean Summit and Songkran riots last year, your trump card no longer holds value.

The Reds have broken the law and will be arrested. Thaksin has stolen billions and is a criminal.

Its very simple actually. But you seem to keep defending criminals. I wonder why?

Not quite true....Thaksin did not "steal" billions. We use the term "steal" very loosely. He may have made a lot of money but he did it legally. We may not like some of the deals, but they were perfectly legal. He used his powers to place himself and his family in a favorable position with respect to taxes etc. That is tainted and not what you might call "best practice" and that is why he was convicted of "conflict of interest" which is a relatively minor offense. Do you think the court would only hand down a 2 year term for a real "criminal

Oh and by the way....two recent Prime Ministers of Canada have been accused of exactly the same thing. Jean Cretien and Brian Mulroney. Neither were convicted and in fact Mulrony sued the federal government and the RCMP and was awarded $2 million in damages over the wrongful accusations. If Thaksin had been tried in a western court it is highly unlikely that he would have been convicted of anything. He may have been chastised but not convicted. That's why he did not return to face the system....he knew perfectly well that he had been set up and that the judges were going to convict him regardless of the evidence. If you want to find conflict of interest situations you don't have to look very far in either the governments of Thailand, US, Canada, UK, Australia etc etc. It is in fact almost impossible to avoid for many in public office...it's just a question of degree or severity and if it was deliberate or not.

As for the double standard---are you questioning that the Yellows did occupy the parliment buildings?? I think the record speaks for itself...and how many have been convicted of sedition or even creating a public disturbance. It is easy to find the same kinds of activities in both parties....it's the way the perpetrators are treated that makes the difference.

[KireB]

Not quite true....Thaksin did not "steal" billions. We use the term "steal" very loosely. He may have made a lot of money but he did it legally.

White collar crimes, are very serious crimes. Please tell the courts that what he took was acquired legally. They dont seem to agree with you and neither do I.

Corruption is theft, he took money ( and lots of it) that didnt belong to him! Nothing more nothing less to be frank.

[jdinasia]

Not quite true....Thaksin did not "steal" billions. We use the term "steal" very loosely. He may have made a lot of money but he did it legally.

White collar crimes, are very serious crimes. Please tell the courts that what he took was acquired legally. They dont seem to agree with you and neither do I.

Corruption is theft, he took money ( and lots of it) that didnt belong to him! Nothing more nothing less to be frank.

Vicco needs to go back and read the court ruling against Thaksin .. quite obviously theft.

[cmsally]

"Press censorship made possible by the laws is against the Constitution, which says clearly that it can only be invoked under the state of war. We are definitely not in the state of war," Abhisit, of the Democrat Party, said during a debate on the decree in Parliament.

NYT

Some of these pre coup quotes from Abhisit could come back to bit him in the derriere.

[4223rhodes]

"Press censorship made possible by the laws is against the Constitution, which says clearly that it can only be invoked under the state of war. We are definitely not in the state of war," Abhisit, of the Democrat Party, said during a debate on the decree in Parliament.

NYT

Some of these pre coup quotes from Abhisit could come back to bit him in the derriere.

That's the basic problem with Abhisit. He is intelligent enough, though definitely no genius. He can form a pleasant sounding sentence and sometimes even an entire paragraph. Speaking on television, he obviously loses the plot and endlessly repeats himself. That is forgiveable. What is worrisome is his total lack of values or principles. He is completely non-transparent and inconsistent over time. He is perhaps the weakest PM ever. This is definitely not his fault. I believe he is doing his best, he just plain lacks any ability in the political arena. He would make a delightful manager in a small ice cream shop and that is why he was chosen by the choosers for his present assignment.