Armoured Vehicles, Army Live Bullets Will Be Used To Surround Red-Shirts From 6pm

[ronthai]

They are stupid / uneducated people from up country, and I bet some of them can't even explain why they are there, apart from getting some money!!!

Have you tried asking some of them? I assume you did, otherwise the above would be foolish beyond belief. Or dare I say, 'uneducated'..

We have been asking this question for weeks with NO result.

Why don't you tell us?

Please spare us the dissolution and we want democracy blather.

Tell us what policies they want to see implemented.

Kowchai mai?

I went to redland 3 times a few weeks back and spoke to a number of people. Mostly I just heard "we hate Abhisit" or "we love Thaksin". When I tried to talk about possible policies to help the poor I got shouted at and moved along. On another occasion I spoke to a lady in English, she told me that she had lived in England for many years, when I told her I thought violence was not the way forward she said "stupid farang, go and kiss Abhisit the farang-lover", foolishly I tried to speak to her about what ideas the red shirts had to benefit the poor, she started screaming hysterically at me and redshirt guards loomed over and manhandled me. A scary experience but I got out okay.

From my experience it is clear that most redshirts do not understand the electoral system of Thailand. It is also clear that democracy is just a word they have hijacked, nothing they do is democratic; they trample all over the democratic rights of others such as restricting their freedom to travel and go to work, a number of them sell their vote (I have seen this in person and it was caught on video, leading to the downfall of the Somchai government), they either participate in or turn a blind eye to extreme violence, they have repeatedly shown no respect for protestors holding a different view to theirs by attacking yellow shirt protests whenever they happened, attacking the Silom protest and intimidating the leader of the multicoloured shirts, their leaders were not elected and the leaders make decisions without consulting the grass roots of the movement.

On top of these things the redshirts come across as generally vile people; they cheer as people are injured, they attack ambulances, they raid hospitals, they lecture us on double standards but then want to dictate the terms of justice they face, they lecture us on equality whilst the leaders gorge on FatDonalds in airconditioned rooms whilst the rest much on somtam in the heat, they publish material which incites violence then try and defend it as freedom of speech, they insult our intelligence when every time there is a grenade attack they claim it wasn't them even though everybody but redshirts are attacked and one of their number boasts about his blackshirted army, they repeatedly change their demands like a spoilt child in a play pen, they have rejected a perfectly good opportunity to end this situation peacefully and proceed towards a fairer society and improved medias with an early election and finally they support an international fugitive who when he was PM bought elections through bribing MPs and the electorate, plunged to new depths for Human Rights and set new records for corruption and nepotism.

There comes a time when a line must be drawn. The behaviour of the reds does not deserve inclusion in the next step of democracy. The government must take the right steps to ensure the safety and freedom of all the people in Thailand who are not involved in anarchy and lawlessness under the guise of a protest in downtown Bangkok. They must also take steps to ensure that this cannot happen again.

I hope that the army do not go in guns blazing as firstly many innocent rice farmers would get killed and secondly because it would give more propoganda power to the reds. I hope that the red leaders can be caught and brought to justice, given long sentences.

I will stick my neck on the line and say that I WOULD like to see bloodshed, but only this. I would hope to see Seh Daeng tried by a Court Martial and executed by firing squad to demonstrate that this sort of insubordination that threatens civil war will not be tolerated. If this was the only other death in this situation I would be perfectly satisfied.

Second that - finally sensible post here.

I just wish that the poor reds there would use some of their brains and see that they are being lied to and so many times so abvious, where one leader says something and the next something else. Hope the people will stay safe and wake up before it is too late.

[jcbangkok]

"normalcy" is CERTAINLY an acceptable word in English regardless of US, Canada or UK ... open a dictionary.

"A return to normalcy" was Warren Harding's campaign promise in the US Presidential election of 1920.

I prefer the English version "normality" to the American English "normalcy" but I would be grateful for either right now in The CofA

god, who cares! its off topic. and the debate is like comparing isaan or south thai to BKK thai. local dialect. none is correct or incorrect, local language that develops over time. hope that ends it.

This is off topic / Get back on topic but first let me give my opinion and state it as fact so that we can end this ... LOL

[JetsetBkk]

Self-censored.

Edited May 13, 2010 by JetsetBkk

[ozzieman05]

THE NATION: Seh Daeng: Veera is in England now. (Weng has earlier said Veera would return to stage today)

Or he could be up at the 11th regiment blabbing his mouth off to Suthep and the boys in order gain complete amnesty for himself, a few quid and THEN a new life in England.

Hmmm. Why the hel_l have they let him in? Where is he staying? Might go and pay him a visit.

So a well known terrorist with a few arrest warrants on his head just can walk through passport control at suvurnabumi immigration.We should applaud this government once more.

Now if he had been a Farang with 4 days overstay

Immoigration Police come from every direction

[Neurath]

It's got to the point that everytime I hear the word 'crackdown'.....I crack-up.....laughing that is!

Crackdown? Buy! Buy! Buy!

[frankman]

Jatuporn said the phone signal has just been cut.

from twitter, so who knows if it's reliable.

I got told water was cut but not phone....but my infos could be outdated......No one can call and tell that the phone is cut

just spoke now 18.51 with my friend from Pathunam center and phones are not cut but army everywhere putting up defence barriers

NICE ONE , MATE!!!

[dobadoy]

Most of those in "redland", never understand where the money comes from. If no farang here, they would never have all this nice houses, new cars, where you see there in some places, and their daughters (or sons) would be not beable to support their families from the tourist places like Pattaya Phuket. They would working in the ricefields for 60 Baht a day instead of liiving a nice life in Pattaya.

Wow. The sad thing though is that this by far isn't the most inane thing you read on this forum.

Out of curiosity though, where/what is Redland?

Maybe i'm wrong, but my personal view: It's very common that many of peaple in "redland" only want money from farangs, but actually hate us. I stay here for 16 years, but i never travel to "redland" and i'll never support (directly) any families there.

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I think you can safely assume he means Isaan, Winnie. Glad to see you back on top form, astute and informed, as ever

Edited May 13, 2010 by dobadoy

[h90]

Jatuporn said the phone signal has just been cut.

from twitter, so who knows if it's reliable.

I got told water was cut but not phone....but my infos could be outdated......No one can call and tell that the phone is cut

just spoke now 18.51 with my friend from Pathunam center and phones are not cut but army everywhere putting up defence barriers

Nation twittered mobile phone does not work, but of course it can be, because everyone is calling and the network is overloaded.

Or it is again bs....many times there were wrong news in the past.

[Neurath]

THE NATION: Seh Daeng: Veera is in England now. (Weng has earlier said Veera would return to stage today)

Or he could be up at the 11th regiment blabbing his mouth off to Suthep and the boys in order gain complete amnesty for himself, a few quid and THEN a new life in England.

It only takes one

then the whole pyramid collapses

How can he get out of thailand

being such a well know person surely he would be spotted at out going immigration

Going with the boat to Cambodia and don't pass the Immigration

Going on the land to Cambodia (without Immigration as Sae Daeng told he did).

Hide in Thailand and tell you are in England so they don't search in Thailand.

I am sure there are other ways also....

Correct - because earlier rumors had him in Chantaburri.

[redparrot]

Today Thai country People will face their destiny...

Poor country People, exploited during years and centuries by the Elite, but also exploited by ambitious politicians from both sides.

They have no choice they are there for begging a little improvement for tomorrow, more for the future generations than for themselves. Generously, they put their life at stake facing History and Eternity: I wish than tomorrow will not be a bitter day.

My deepest respect

Seconded!

BULLSHIT BULLSHIT they are there because they have been paid by Thaksin you reds can not win, you have shown your real colors - did the innocent women at the BTS platform deserve to die ?

Suggest if you feel so sorry for them why don't you go and join them now ? and spare us your drivel

Have you done the math? 200 Baht per day (some people are saying 500 Baht), but let's assume 200 Baht. Times 60 days, time 100,000 people at the peak ...that's more money than Thaksin ever had. Doesn't add up?

[Herm]

It's got to the point that everytime I hear the word 'crackdown'.....I crack-up.....laughing that is!

Crackdown? Buy! Buy! Buy!

I donj't think anyone said anything about crackdown - government only said they will surround the area and stop anyone coming in ... from 6pm onwards ... am wondering though ... did they say which day ???

[frankman]

Jatuporn said the phone signal has just been cut.

from twitter, so who knows if it's reliable.

I got told water was cut but not phone....but my infos could be outdated......No one can call and tell that the phone is cut

just spoke now 18.51 with my friend from Pathunam center and phones are not cut but army everywhere putting up defence barriers

NICE ONE , MATE!!!

Time to get real here and let us know if it will also explode in other parts of our country. Help is welcome! So let us know from FIRST HAND  what you guys see outside. Our all future is at stake here. Thanks 

[dobadoy]

THE NATION: Seh Daeng: Veera is in England now. (Weng has earlier said Veera would return to stage today)

Or he could be up at the 11th regiment blabbing his mouth off to Suthep and the boys in order gain complete amnesty for himself, a few quid and THEN a new life in England.

Hmmm. Why the hel_l have they let him in? Where is he staying? Might go and pay him a visit.

So a well known terrorist with a few arrest warrants on his head just can walk through passport control at suvurnabumi immigration.We should applaud this government once more.

I was going to say that he must have gone over the Cambodian or Laos border, hence taking a few days to get out, but then again it wouldn't surprise me in the least if someone at Suvarhabhumi DID let him through passport control on the grounds that stopping him would have been a violation of consumer law since he had a valid ticket...

[h90]

THE NATION: Seh Daeng: Veera is in England now. (Weng has earlier said Veera would return to stage today)

Or he could be up at the 11th regiment blabbing his mouth off to Suthep and the boys in order gain complete amnesty for himself, a few quid and THEN a new life in England.

Hmmm. Why the hel_l have they let him in? Where is he staying? Might go and pay him a visit.

So a well known terrorist with a few arrest warrants on his head just can walk through passport control at suvurnabumi immigration.We should applaud this government once more.

Now if he had been a Farang with 4 days overstay

Immoigration Police come from every direction

Well 4 days overstay would be very evil and no pardon can be given. So if you have the choice to overstay 4 days or start a communist revolution....go with the revolution.

[agord]

"normalcy" is CERTAINLY an acceptable word in English regardless of US, Canada or UK ... open a dictionary.

"A return to normalcy" was Warren Harding's campaign promise in the US Presidential election of 1920.

I prefer the English version "normality" to the American English "normalcy" but I would be grateful for either right now in The CofA

god, who cares! its off topic. and the debate is like comparing isaan or south thai to BKK thai. local dialect. none is correct or incorrect, local language that develops over time. hope that ends it.

This is off topic / Get back on topic but first let me give my opinion and state it as fact so that we can end this ... LOL

[Herm]

Today Thai country People will face their destiny...

Poor country People, exploited during years and centuries by the Elite, but also exploited by ambitious politicians from both sides.

They have no choice they are there for begging a little improvement for tomorrow, more for the future generations than for themselves. Generously, they put their life at stake facing History and Eternity: I wish than tomorrow will not be a bitter day.

My deepest respect

Seconded!

BULLSHIT BULLSHIT they are there because they have been paid by Thaksin you reds can not win, you have shown your real colors - did the innocent women at the BTS platform deserve to die ?

Suggest if you feel so sorry for them why don't you go and join them now ? and spare us your drivel

Have you done the math? 200 Baht per day (some people are saying 500 Baht), but let's assume 200 Baht. Times 60 days, time 100,000 people at the peak ...that's more money than Thaksin ever had. Doesn't add up?

math was no your high point I assume he can pay that from petty cash

[givenall]

THE NATION: Seh Daeng: Veera is in England now. (Weng has earlier said Veera would return to stage today)

Or he could be up at the 11th regiment blabbing his mouth off to Suthep and the boys in order gain complete amnesty for himself, a few quid and THEN a new life in England.

It only takes one

then the whole pyramid collapses

How can he get out of thailand

being such a well know person surely he would be spotted at out going immigration

Going with the boat to Cambodia and don't pass the Immigration

Going on the land to Cambodia (without Immigration as Sae Daeng told he did).

Hide in Thailand and tell you are in England so they don't search in Thailand.

I am sure there are other ways also....

Correct - because earlier rumors had him in Chantaburri.

Remember, people will rat him for little Bath, so I don’t think he is here

[animatic]

THE NATION: Seh Daeng: Veera is in England now. (Weng has earlier said Veera would return to stage today)

Or he could be up at the 11th regiment blabbing his mouth off to Suthep and the boys in order gain complete amnesty for himself, a few quid and THEN a new life in England.

Or could he be in a box ?

First red leader to run for his life, won't be the last. Red protesters sure picked the wrong guy to follow.

what a p_ssy.

"why should they go out to fight? they only started the war"

Veera always came across as the more thoughtful one.

He also did time decades back from insurection of something similar.

2 years IRCC, maybe after '73. Regardless of specific charge and time,

he if anyone understand the hole the reds continue to dig for themselves.

And he if anyone knew where to draw the line, and when it was time to

call it a day. So not surprising he is also the first to say ;

'I am not going this direction with you anymore'.

[gemini81]

Today Thai country People will face their destiny...

Poor country People, exploited during years and centuries by the Elite, but also exploited by ambitious politicians from both sides.

They have no choice they are there for begging a little improvement for tomorrow, more for the future generations than for themselves. Generously, they put their life at stake facing History and Eternity: I wish than tomorrow will not be a bitter day.

My deepest respect

Seconded!

BULLSHIT BULLSHIT they are there because they have been paid by Thaksin you reds can not win, you have shown your real colors - did the innocent women at the BTS platform deserve to die ?

Suggest if you feel so sorry for them why don't you go and join them now ? and spare us your drivel

Have you done the math? 200 Baht per day (some people are saying 500 Baht), but let's assume 200 Baht. Times 60 days, time 100,000 people at the peak ...that's more money than Thaksin ever had. Doesn't add up?

that man has more money in more offshore accounts than you can even fathom.

[vahack]

I hope that the army do not go in guns blazing as firstly many innocent rice farmers would get killed..

just wanna go on record as saying, yay more discounted rais for my kids

[redparrot]

math was no your high point I assume he can pay that from petty cash

"math was no your high point" And English wasn't yours, huh?

[Neurath]

Today Thai country People will face their destiny...

Poor country People, exploited during years and centuries by the Elite, but also exploited by ambitious politicians from both sides.

They have no choice they are there for begging a little improvement for tomorrow, more for the future generations than for themselves. Generously, they put their life at stake facing History and Eternity: I wish than tomorrow will not be a bitter day.

My deepest respect

Seconded!

BULLSHIT BULLSHIT they are there because they have been paid by Thaksin you reds can not win, you have shown your real colors - did the innocent women at the BTS platform deserve to die ?

Suggest if you feel so sorry for them why don't you go and join them now ? and spare us your drivel

Have you done the math? 200 Baht per day (some people are saying 500 Baht), but let's assume 200 Baht. Times 60 days, time 100,000 people at the peak ...that's more money than Thaksin ever had. Doesn't add up?

That's 1.2 billion?

[ChouDoufu]

just posted in another closed thread: "CRES Declares Emergency Decree in 15 Additional Provinces"

anyone know which provinces?

what effect will it have?

will helmet laws be enforced?

[dobadoy]

math was no your high point I assume he can pay that from petty cash

"math was no your high point" And English wasn't yours, huh?

"redparrot" you really have got the BEST name for yourself, there haven't you?

[minburi2]

math was no your high point I assume he can pay that from petty cash

"math was no your high point" And English wasn't yours, huh?

GOT 2 SMS from CRES just now, but my phone doesn't support THAI

anyone knows ifo about this???

[Herm]

math was no your high point I assume he can pay that from petty cash

"math was no your high point" And English wasn't yours, huh?

the missing "t" was a typo but at least I know the difference between Millions and Billions

[Herm]

double post

Edited May 13, 2010 by Herm

[zorm999]

2 explosions just heard at Sala Daeng.

[hunglikea]

"normalcy" is CERTAINLY an acceptable word in English regardless of US, Canada or UK ... open a dictionary.

"A return to normalcy" was Warren Harding's campaign promise in the US Presidential election of 1920.

I prefer the English version "normality" to the American English "normalcy" but I would be grateful for either right now in The CofA

What we have in BKK is 'abnormality' or do people really believe it to be 'abnormalcy'??

But let's all hope the city returns to normal ASAP!

[mazeltov]

Tallforeigners picture are well chosen propaganda pictures of peaceful red shirts, old people, monks and whats make me so sad, small children, who have no choice of their own to be in the red fort. This is the people the red leaders and Dear Leader wants to fight to the death, because of the selfish aim of the leaders. I say shame, shame, shame, one thousand times shame on you!!!!

Why not baa SHAME ON YOU ONE THOUSEND TIMES on the people who support a violent crackdown by a army ready do shot at protesters?

That the reds are terrorists is the propaganda here.

SHAME ON YOU!!!

It's the same as you do in PALASTINA

What do i do in PALASTINA?

anti-red posters at this board becoming more and more detached from common sense and reality. their hate makes them crazy.