Clashes Continue, Turning Central Bangkok In Virtual Warzone

[pornsasi]

All Abhisit has to do to stop this is to call an election, how many more people must die before he does what he inevitably will have to end up doing?

Duuuuh, he did call an election. In mid-April, he offered to call it 13 months early. A week ago, he offered 15 months earlier (than is required by the Constitution). So even though he was bending to being dictated to by a violent mob, and even though the mob leaders agreed to it several times, the top mob boss nixed the idea - and so we're left with lethal violence on the streets.

Sorry, but you have the idiotic argument here. There have been 17 civilians killed and 0 soldiers killed.

First off, the people tossing grenades and firing combat weapons from the Red side can't be classified as 'civilians.' Secondly, just because no security troops have been killed yet, doesn't mean much except the troops are doing a better job of protecting themselves - even though they're using lesser weapons (they're not allowed to use grenades, as the Reds are doing). Any real civilians who are still mingling with the Reds are profoundly stupid or have a death wish, and any who still have kids in the mix should be publicly pilloried for child endangerment.

No excuse for shooting live bullets at unarmed civilians to kill them

NONE

If they have sling shot or throwing stones as they do then you use

tear gas , water cannon , rubber bullet at most .

No excuse here .

What may happen is that now some black or others

new players like police may start shooting at army .

Well if Abhisit wants civil war he will get it

Edited May 15, 2010 by pornsasi

[TAWP]

I'm a bit concerned about the foreign reporter being shot by the army after he clearly called for help and they knew he was a foreign reporter...

Please post a source for the claim that the army kept shooting him after knowing that he was a foreign reporter, as oppose to 'blackshirt' in sunglasses up to no good, that he looked like.

So there is nothing wrong when the army kept shooting at people who are wounded on the ground as long they are wearing are black shirt and sunglasses, looking up to no good with calls for help?

Please inform us how to differentiate between a person in black, possibly carrying arms, that is crawling behind cover towards the army and a person in black, possibly armed, that is hiding or crawling behind the cover after being hit by a bullet. Infact, seeing the film, I would guess he got hit by 3 rubber bullets or has minor through-and-through wounds, atleast the initial hits, due to the way he moves. But we can only speculate.

Here is a tip: get your behind down to the barricades and try to ID who is doing what at 100-200m distance. Easy, isn't it?

[Jerrytheyoung]

anyone inside of the red camp cannot be counted as a civilian I thought we covered that?

They want to stay between themselves without opponents: this is their concept of democracy. Look they have already divided Thailand in two states. Just a detail for the new Issan State of Animatic, Issaners are living now around Bangkok they are constituing the workforce and the majority of Bangkok and suburban belt population. So in your project, you have to consider the great "Issan" which comprises Bangkok. I suggest you move to Koh Samui: it is the ideal location for the Elite (with the 3 Southern Provinces), enough space to built a Singapore like State.

To Jerry only Isaan people are right, Only isaan people exist in BKK, Only reds can do no wrong. When the reds threaten to burn down BKK, Jerry calls it "negotiating." When the government takes it seriously and tries to contain them and the reds attack. Jerry blames the government. When the reds arre actually violent Jerry talks about the French Revolution and the Unionist riots of France that took place decades ago and suggests that violence is acceptable if it is "the people" doing it. Sadly Jerry fails to realize that the legitimate government currently in place represents the majority of the people in Thailand via their elected representatives.

Jerry --- your claims that Isaaners comprise the majority of BKK are simply lies. The majority of BKK (and Thailand for that matter) is being held hostage by a radical group of violent insurgents and most but not all of them are from either Isaan or the North.

I assume that Jerry isn't posting from Thailand

You take everything at the first degree...

Yes I am posting from a neighbouring country (1h from Thailand): for professional activities I share my time between Thailand (Issan) and neighbouring Countries...What is wrong? What is the insinuation's meaning?

[datum]

Can someone explain how the Nation has at 5:53 pm a chronology of events of 15 May that goes up to 6:40 pm???

www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/05/15/politics/Chronology-30129385.html

I attach also a screenshot

[agord]

Some people here are twisting and turning the story. At one point you guys claim that the van was speeding towards the army and they shot the van, killing the boy. Then you say that he was standing OUTSIDE besides the van. Was he inside or outside? Speeding or standing? Sorry, your twisting is getting ridiculous. If he was killed while the van was speeding towards the army, he couldn't have been "standing outside besides the van".

Don't forget they also say the van was full of weapons? No proof to support this. Oh and red shirt propaganda a capital offence. So much Yellow shirt propaganda on here but the yellow shirt farangs are not being executed or shot just 10 yrs old thai children.

He's not dead btw. Spin away though and call it an execution. Go and read any article you want on this they found knives in the van along with UDD materials. Soldiers fired first at the tires but that didn't stop the van they had no other choice but to fire at the driver. Nobody has died from this they re all in hospital.

[pornsasi]

I don't care if the leader is a 3 legged monster. As long as he can do whatever it takes to bring this country closer to reconciliation then he will have my support.

Abhisit has been harping on about reconciliation but the country has only divided under his leadership. He should never have been PM.

The reds don't want reconciliation. They want to be in power. They only want one thing. That's why they don't want to negotiate.

To me it looks like that Abhisit tries everything to cling in power and prefers violence and killing of civilians over elections.

Abhisit, appointed by the 'clear' majority of 235 PM to his position as PM, divided the country more than anybody else.

They dont want poor people to have a voice in Thailand and will not hesitate to kill or maim ppl to

make sure they never have any

[Slip]

If you fight with the army you are likely to get shot, and if you make the decision to fight an army you should not complain if you do get shot.

Dont see why thats so difficult for the reds to understand.

The 10-year old boy that got shot in the stomach was fighting the army? Give me a break. He was shot while his parents were driving in a speeding car, probably trying to get their family to safety as fast as possible. Instead, the soldiers opened fire on the car. There is no excuse. Stop looking for one.

Tragedies happen in wars. Who started this war? Thaksin and the reds. Credit where credit is due.

Oh really? I thought it happened when the yellow shirts overthrew a democratically elected government. Sorry, I must have been wrong then.

No. As has been pointed out to you and your comrades hundreds of times; that didn't happen. The yellows didn't overthrow the government. The minority parties switched sides- all perfectly legitimate. Please stop with your propaganda. You ain't fooling anyone.

[rogerx007]

Can someone explain how the Nation has at 5:53 pm a chronology of events of 15 May that goes up to 6:40 pm???

www.nationmultimedia.com/home/2010/05/15/politics/Chronology-30129385.html

I attach also a screenshot

They have Oracle on their payroll... works from thursday to saturday only though..

[rogerx007]

http://twitter.com/terryfrd :

Red MC Somchai at red stage says reds at Din Daeng caught soldier who can only speak Cambodian. That's where Suthep and Newin are recruiting

[brahmburgers]

All Abhisit has to do to stop this is to call an election, how many more people must die before he does what he inevitably will have to end up doing?

Duuuuh, he did call an election. In mid-April, he offered to call it 13 months early. A week ago, he offered 15 months earlier (than is required by the Constitution). So even though he was bending to being dictated to by a violent mob, and even though the mob leaders agreed to it several times, the top mob boss nixed the idea - and so we're left with lethal violence on the streets.

Sorry, but you have the idiotic argument here. There have been 17 civilians killed and 0 soldiers killed.

First off, the people tossing grenades and firing combat weapons from the Red side can't be classified as 'civilians.' Secondly, just because no security troops have been killed yet, doesn't mean much except the troops are doing a better job of protecting themselves - even though they're using lesser weapons (they're not allowed to use grenades, as the Reds are doing). Any real civilians who are still mingling with the Reds are profoundly stupid or have a death wish, and any who still have kids in the mix should be publicly pilloried for child endangerment.

No excuse for shooting live bullets at unarmed civilians to kill them

NONE

That's the same thing Arab terrorists always say. They'll mix with a group of civilians, and fire away madly at the enemy. Then, when there's return fire, and Arabs fall in the dust, all the remaining Arabs will scream 'we were all civilians!"

Get over this 'unarmed civilian' thing Pornsasi/Redparrot (methinks you're the same person, am I wrong?). If they're civilians, they should stay far away from combat zones.

[pornsasi]

No. As has been pointed out to you and your comrades hundreds of times; that didn't happen. The yellows didn't overthrow the government. The minority parties switched sides- all perfectly legitimate. Please stop with your propaganda. You ain't fooling anyone.

The yellows did put pressure on the court to condemn the Somchai governement , that was the whole idea of invading the airport, else why do it ? .

Stop the BS

Edited May 15, 2010 by pornsasi

[andrew55]

The government and yellow shirts can do no wrong they have not made a singlr error of judgement throughout this whole ordeal. The ten year old was on the most wanted list in Thailand and had to be taken out.

It's very sad that posters like yourself can treat what is currently happening as something to joke about. This is an extremely serious situation and the repercussions could affect all of us here adversely, Thai and farang alike. Please try to think about that before posting nonsense

Agreed Not funny,

[Thai at Heart]

ThaivisaNews: Urgent: All journalist associations agree to order all journalists to pull out from all fighting areas at dusk. /via @chavarong @veen_NT

Over on another thread.

Would appear that tonight is going to be not particularly well covered.

[agord]

I'm a bit concerned about the foreign reporter being shot by the army after he clearly called for help and they knew he was a foreign reporter...

Please post a source for the claim that the army kept shooting him after knowing that he was a foreign reporter, as oppose to 'blackshirt' in sunglasses up to no good, that he looked like.

So there is nothing wrong when the army kept shooting at people who are wounded on the ground as long they are wearing are black shirt and sunglasses, looking up to no good with calls for help?

Please inform us how to differentiate between a person in black, possibly carrying arms, that is crawling behind cover towards the army and a person in black, possibly armed, that is hiding or crawling behind the cover after being hit by a bullet. Infact, seeing the film, I would guess he got hit by 3 rubber bullets or has minor through-and-through wounds, atleast the initial hits, due to the way he moves. But we can only speculate.

Here is a tip: get your behind down to the barricades and try to ID who is doing what at 100-200m distance. Easy, isn't it?

waste of time to argue with these fools they all know the best way to handle it and they know better than the military etc. Pornsasi is either trying to wind everyone up or is a complete idiot either way I doubt he would come to a gun fight with a water hose if the task was up to him. Of course they are armed of course they have M79, hand guns rifles you name it they have it. He and red parrot and the rest are taking a giant piss.

[pornsasi]

That's the same thing Arab terrorists always say. They'll mix with a group of civilians, and fire away madly at the enemy. Then, when there's return fire, and Arabs fall in the dust, all the remaining Arabs will scream 'we were all civilians!"

Get over this 'unarmed civilian' thing Pornsasi/Redparrot (methinks you're the same person, am I wrong?). If they're civilians, they should stay far away from combat zones.

You can rant your hate speech , till hel_l freezes over .

No one in his right mind is comparing the reds to Hezbollah

[pornsasi]

The 10-year old boy that got shot in the stomach was fighting the army? Give me a break. He was shot while his parents were driving in a speeding car, probably trying to get their family to safety as fast as possible. Instead, the soldiers opened fire on the car. There is no excuse. Stop looking for one.

Attached is about 10 year old boy with bamboo stick and stone, arguing with a soldier, before all hel_l broke loose in Rajaprarop.

I have a video (but got to shrink it down from 180 MB to something postable) of mother telling her ~5 year old daugther what to yell against the soldiers moments earlier.

Obviously I am not saying that it couldn't be a speeding car passing and getting shot at. But the stupidity of people involving the kids into all of this is unbelievable. And I don't think there's any excuse for the parents to bring the kids into warzone and making them provocate soldiers.

Agree with you .

[seahorse]

do you believe me ?

No.

[rogerx007]

The 10-year old boy that got shot in the stomach was fighting the army? Give me a break. He was shot while his parents were driving in a speeding car, probably trying to get their family to safety as fast as possible. Instead, the soldiers opened fire on the car. There is no excuse. Stop looking for one.

Attached is about 10 year old boy with bamboo stick and stone, arguing with a soldier, before all hel_l broke loose in Rajaprarop.

I have a video (but got to shrink it down from 180 MB to something postable) of mother telling her ~5 year old daugther what to yell against the soldiers moments earlier.

Obviously I am not saying that it couldn't be a speeding car passing and getting shot at. But the stupidity of people involving the kids into all of this is unbelievable. And I don't think there's any excuse for the parents to bring the kids into warzone and making them provocate soldiers.

Stupid parents....

but if tht Armymen headbutts the kids they wud be utterly stupid as well...

This situation wouldn't have arrived if everybody shows some restraint...

[hobbler]

My internet is slow and I'm not seeing often updates. Coup?

This will be the final nail in the coffin for Thai tourism!!

[whybother]

I don't care if the leader is a 3 legged monster. As long as he can do whatever it takes to bring this country closer to reconciliation then he will have my support.

Abhisit has been harping on about reconciliation but the country has only divided under his leadership. He should never have been PM.

The reds don't want reconciliation. They want to be in power. They only want one thing. That's why they don't want to negotiate.

To me it looks like that Abhisit tries everything to cling in power and prefers violence and killing of civilians over elections.

Abhisit, appointed by the 'clear' majority of 235 PM to his position as PM, divided the country more than anybody else.

It looks to me like the reds don't care how many people die, just so they can force the elected government to step down.

Finally, you understand that Abhisit was elected by a majority of MPs.

[pornsasi]

do you believe me ?

No.

Very good , editing out of context .

[agord]

Suggest others try the ignore user feature it's great! Now instead of moronic dribble i see You have chosen to ignore pornsasi

[jcbangkok]

http://twitter.com/terryfrd :

Red MC Somchai at red stage says reds at Din Daeng caught soldier who can only speak Cambodian. That's where Suthep and Newin are recruiting

Twitter such a credible source ... a step or two above the Red Shirt Stage

[pornsasi]

I don't care if the leader is a 3 legged monster. As long as he can do whatever it takes to bring this country closer to reconciliation then he will have my support.

Abhisit has been harping on about reconciliation but the country has only divided under his leadership. He should never have been PM.

The reds don't want reconciliation. They want to be in power. They only want one thing. That's why they don't want to negotiate.

To me it looks like that Abhisit tries everything to cling in power and prefers violence and killing of civilians over elections.

Abhisit, appointed by the 'clear' majority of 235 PM to his position as PM, divided the country more than anybody else.

It looks to me like the reds don't care how many people die, just so they can force the elected government to step down.

Finally, you understand that Abhisit was elected by a majority of MPs.

Everybody knows that .

No popular mandate however

[pornsasi]

http://twitter.com/terryfrd :

Red MC Somchai at red stage says reds at Din Daeng caught soldier who can only speak Cambodian. That's where Suthep and Newin are recruiting

Twitter such a credible source ... a step or two above the Red Shirt Stage

Well , you would not complain bout Twitter if it went along your way

[rogerx007]

http://twitter.com/terryfrd :

Red MC Somchai at red stage says reds at Din Daeng caught soldier who can only speak Cambodian. That's where Suthep and Newin are recruiting

Twitter such a credible source ... a step or two above the Red Shirt Stage

and where does Nation and Bangkok post falls in that ladder...

[jcbangkok]

ThaivisaNews: Urgent: All journalist associations agree to order all journalists to pull out from all fighting areas at dusk. /via @chavarong @veen_NT

Over on another thread.

Would appear that tonight is going to be not particularly well covered.

Sounds like BS to me. Who exactly makes up the "Journalist Associations" ? and would it be the Thai Journalist Associations or International Journalist Associations and would it include the 100's of freelance people out there.

Hopefully it is just the Thai reporters as then we won't be missing a whole bunch.

[pornsasi]

Suggest others try the ignore user feature it's great! Now instead of moronic dribble i see You have chosen to ignore pornsasi

put you on ignore too . thanks

[seahorse]

What a disgrace. Shooting at 70% women and children now

Where is the evidence for this?

Are these the women that were making the petrol bombs? What did they think they were for? A peaceful protest?

They are in a war zone. They should gtfo. Then nobody will shoot them.

[TAWP]

That's the same thing Arab terrorists always say. They'll mix with a group of civilians, and fire away madly at the enemy. Then, when there's return fire, and Arabs fall in the dust, all the remaining Arabs will scream 'we were all civilians!"

Get over this 'unarmed civilian' thing Pornsasi/Redparrot (methinks you're the same person, am I wrong?). If they're civilians, they should stay far away from combat zones.

You can rant your hate speech , till hel_l freezes over .

No one in his right mind is comparing the reds to Hezbollah

He didn't.

How is your reading-ability?