Should Sex Profession B Legalized?

[professor]

Currently, the thai government is considering to legalise the sex industry which accounts for at least 3% of its GDP. Should it be legalised, taxed, regulated? Should prostitutes be given social, work security? What types of sex service should be approved? Tiger Shows, female prostitutes selling to male customers, female prostitutes selling to female customers, male prostitutes selling to female customers or male prostitutes selling to male customers? should live sex be performed to public? should live orgy be performed to public? Who are allowed to view, who are not? Should STD carriers be blacklisted?

[Guest IT Manager]

The more I read the more I am intrigued Professor.

Legalising sex is just cutting the police out of the equation. It is now and always has been an accepted crime, especially considering senior people who have been involved in the use and provision sides of the Industry.

Currently the Government, (as in Thailand) make no money from it directly, which doesn't appear to make a lot of sense, considering the planeloads of single men "popping in for the culture", as it were. Accepted that many snior persons who may work for the Government do get some small income from it, or drive Bentleys' etc., it seems to make sense.

Register every participant at the amphur, so he/she is very aware that everyone knows the trade they are doing. Hand him/her a receipt book so every John has to ID himself and pay the required amount.

Post guaranteed "not interested in bribery" police officer outside the premises to protect the worker. He also has to approve the Johns ID.

Issue condoms to every John and have him hand it back after in a clear plastic bag. (Environmentalists hate condoms in the sewerage system, as do sewerage workers I imagine).

Now... where was the problem again?

[TizMe]

Post guaranteed "not interested in bribery" police officer outside the premises to protect the worker. He also has to approve the Johns ID.

He (or she) should also check the status of both jig-jiggee's and jig-jigger's "STD free" photo ID cards which must be renewed weekly at the local "not interested in bribery" medical centre.

[dr_Pat_Pong]

Wasn't / isn't the Senate looking into this matter, and are we revisiting where we have already been on this forum ?

[Guest IT Manager]

Yes, sorry Doctor P, but the professor is only new and he just got here and he doesn't kow anyone and I wanted to show him where all the stuff was.. sir, sorry... and they don't give out free milk at his school either..

It is Sunday AM.. I am joking

[dr_Pat_Pong]

IT if he's a real professor he'll be able to demonstrate his research skills by wandering around the past stuff for a while.

[pschef]

To make legal sex would be like eating chocolate with the wrapper on. where is the excitment in that, also brands the girls or boys for life. who wants that on record??

[dr_Pat_Pong]

also brands the girls or boys for life. who wants that on record??

particularly in Muang Thai pschef .

[professor]

Wasn't / isn't the Senate looking into this matter, and are we revisiting where we have already been on this forum ?

i don get u, but i just a read a brief article on this issue being debated. i really dono the details. and my research field inst sociology or law.

[Butterfly]

There was a big BBC story about that the other day. Interesting perspective from the BBC

But what do we mean by "legalizing" ? before it was not "illegal" until Chuang Leepai made it illegal in 1999 I think.

The question of Taxation is also different from making it "legal". A lot ot jobs in Thailand are legal and still are not being taxed. Why suddently the interests of the Toxin Government for making prostitution legal ?

I think it comes down to "professionalism". Like everything in Thailand, Toxin want to "professionalize" and westernized all the growth industries in this country.

I don't know what "legalizing" is going to bring or even what it means for this government ?

- Will the farang pay through a higher bar fine, the bar girl tax ?

- Will we get a tax receipt ? how do we know we really paid the tax and not a bigger bar fine instead ?

- Why would the girl need to pay for taxes ? isn't her life difficult enough ?

- Does this mean that the bar girl working conditions will be improved ? instead of working in "dirty" outside bar, she will be behind a window glass in a big supermaket like building with air conditioning ? Will the Massage Parlor model be the only "legal" option ? clean, controlled and very "industrial" ?

- What "legalizing" bring for the girl ? most bars already have weekly and daily "health check" for the girls (only the dirty Thai places don't). How the health issue so related to "legalizing" ? isn't it already possible to require girls to have regular health check without forcing them to pay taxes or make them "legal" ? two different issues here.

- By making "prostitute" an official job, isn't this locking the girls forever in their job ? make the discrimination the more legal ? and then make their life the more alienating ?

I am afraid it means for the Toxin government, industrializing the job, with 1000 of girls locked in luxury "sex complex" for the Japanese tourists and the farang sex group tours.

Not good. Ban it, it would be better or let the girls run as freelancers.

[dr_Pat_Pong]

my research field inst sociology or law.

The topic falls beautifully into your field of expertise Professor.

[HonoluluJimmy]

One big issue is the atempt to reduce STD's. That in and of itself won't work because false med info is and will stay offered. Child sex trade is also need alot of government attention. How about asking the girls and boys in the business. I am against the hostage deals of people going to the county and buying kids from their parents and making the work it off 1000 times over. Tha should be stopped, some how but as to freelances and BG's give them freedom to make money, get health ins etc and remember CAYOTE

(Call Off Your Old Tired Ethics) as to a little P4P under the umbrella of protecting the girls. More freedom for the girls is what will help the destiny! The cops will still be on the take just allowing more hands to reduce the money the girls get! <deleted>, they might even start bugging us gents who do well by the Darlings in LOS insted of dealing with the stinky rotten Hags at Home that think their snatches are temples!

Hand Off My Fun Zone and No Social Branding for the Darlings!

COYOTE, Where is Margo St. James when we need her?

[professor]

my research field inst sociology or law.

The topic falls beautifully into your field of expertise Professor.

why fall into my field? I said I don't specialise in law or sociology.

[Professor Sebastian Mortimer]

I said I don't specialise in law or sociology.

My dear fellow professor, indeed you did say that you do not specialise in law or scoiology.

I'm in little doubt that your thread was inspired by your deep erudition in the field of anthropolgy.

As professor of applied linguistics at Corpus Christi College, Oxford University, England, it would warm greatly the hearts of my colleagues and I to learn that you as a fellow professor are in possession of rather more than even the vaguest and most elementary understanding of this most interesting branch of learning.

Perhaps you would be kind enough to share with us the fruits thus far of your research and findings.

[dr_Pat_Pong]

Wasn't / isn't the Senate looking into this matter, and are we revisiting where we have already been on this forum ?

i don get u, but i just a read a brief article on this issue being debated. i really dono the details. and my research field inst sociology or law.

I regret that your non academic english shorthand is incomprehensible to me or others. Perhaps you could assist we mere mortal by making yourself clearer.

[ThaiAdventure]

I regret that your non academic english shorthand is incomprehensible to me or others. Perhaps you could assist we mere mortal by making yourself clearer.

You obviously don't use the new fangled device known as a mobile phone then Dr PP. It has a valuable service called SMS which has re-written the english language in a more compact and efficient manner.

Back On Topic.....

Legalise brothels in Thailand. I think that is a bit like playing pool and calling it a snooker competition!!!!

[meemiathai]

Human beings always pretend that they don't see, don't hear to the things they don't want to!

Most people can't be honest to themselves because they don't know how to handle the situation once they realize evil minds do exist in them. So they carry on cheating others and their ownselves that they are good people. and refraining from facing the reality.

How can I regard myself as civilized if I say it is normal that something considered as illegal(prostitution) is operating as legally as drinking beer is?

Face it! We know the society needs it! Then ADMIT!

Stop the sufferings! Don't let them live like cockroaches! FGS!

[dr_Pat_Pong]

You obviously don't use the new fangled device known as a mobile phone then Dr PP. It has a valuable service called SMS which has re-written the english language in a more compact and efficient manner.

Nor indeed do I intend to. Stay on topic henceforth please.

[professor]

I am a professor in Marketing. I read a short article regarding the Thai government considering to legalise the sex profession. I wanted initiate discussion with members here.

Full stop. Anything wrong?

[professor]

Wasn't / isn't the Senate looking into this matter, and are we revisiting where we have already been on this forum ?

i don get u, but i just a read a brief article on this issue being debated. i really dono the details. and my research field inst sociology or law.

I regret that your non academic english shorthand is incomprehensible to me or others. Perhaps you could assist we mere mortal by making yourself clearer.

Are you an English teacher?

Grammer mistakes. Corrected:

I regret that your non-academic English shorthand is incomprehensible to me or others. Perhaps you could assist us mere mortals by making yourself clearer.

Your use of 'academic' is contextually inappropriate. Non-academic writing of various types are more comprehensible to most people, who are not scholars. 'Indecipherable' is more appropriate.

Thank your for providing us a case for studying common mistakes in English.

[Sing_Sling]

I guess we could re-name this post 'Correct Use of English".

Sorry to steer you away from the thread, my first O/S job was in Amsterdam, where prostitution is legal and with this legalisation comes everything from medical check-ups, taxes . . .

I'm not suggesting the social or even economic infratsructure of the two countries are comparable, but it can be done.

[dr_Pat_Pong]

Grammer mistakes. Corrected:

Now we'll work on the spelling ' Professor '....try spelling it GRAMMAR. You are not too far up the academic pole I'd guess.

[ThaiAdventure]

Now we'll work on the spelling ' Professor '....try spelling it GRAMMAR. You are not too far up the academic pole I'd guess.

Stay on topic please Dr. henceforth forthwith hitherto. What is good for the goose etc etc.

Whilst Amsterdam does indeed have legalised prostutution. It does not prevent the underprivelaged from being exploited. Many of the girls still do not want to work as prostitutes but are forced to and many are transported around the world (Germany, Belgium etc) to placate the wanton desires of men. Is this legalised prostitution or legalised sexual slavery? Symantecs as far as I'm concerned. However, a lot of the girls in Thailand make a very good living and want to be in the game. It seems that it is only when transported from Thailand that the problems really start.

If legalised prostitution means Bupa health cover, a pension (or similar), capabilities to obtain mortgages, loans etc. Then it is indeed a worthwhile persuit. If not, then why should they pay the tax!

[professor]

Grammer mistakes. Corrected:

Now we'll work on the spelling ' Professor '....try spelling it GRAMMAR. You are not too far up the academic pole I'd guess.

You have chosen this leeway as I plotted, showing again how critical you are. This is a forum to discuss about issues about Thailand, not a showcase of inferiority complex. You may keep your sour grapes at home. Take my claim or leave it that I am a professor. This is cyberspace. All are but e-characters. There are so many professors around the world so there is nothing special about being one. It is just another profession. I don't understand why there was a need to delve into another's personal life and professional integrity and ability. Well, last but not least, it was quite interesting that a Linguistics Professor appeared out of the blue, in support of your scepticism, to raise concerns about my dificiency in anthropology instead of yours in linguistics. While I have to agree that being a good professor isn't easy, so does being a linguist. At the very least, his own language should be polished enough. I shall not comment more since my purpose here is to discuss about social issues, not to show off, to delve into people's life, or to expose my inferiority complex. I have no interest in seeing another wave of cyber professorial emergence and wars. Happy discussions, guys.

[meemiathai]

Come on guys! Back to topic! OK?

There are girls out there perhaps suffering from exploitations, and shouldn't we, the lucky ones be concerned more about the fact? And can't we here just at least discuss something out to help allow less people suffer?

[Johnny Moron]

Grammer mistakes. Corrected:

Now we'll work on the spelling ' Professor '....try spelling it GRAMMAR. You are not too far up the academic pole I'd guess.

I spoke about all this stuff what you’re writing to my uncle and he told me to pass on this message as he ain’t allowed to post nothin’ more himself cos he got banned.

"From Professor Sebastian Mortimer, Corpus Christi College, Oxford University, England.

My dear Dr Pat Pong

My colleagues and I here at Oxford are most truly grateful for your well informed views and comments on visa issues which appear with welcome regularity on an adjacent section of this forum. Should my colleagues and I decide to visit that most charming of countries in which you have chosen to make your home, we remain in little doubt that your wisdom and guidance will be of enormous benefit to us.

However, as of this particular juncture we here at Corpus Christi are somewhat perplexed by your decision to involve yourself in evidently fruitless correspondence with the individual on this thread who in his misguided vanity has chosen for himself the appellation of “professor”. Indeed, my good colleague Dr Rhodes Montague suggests (somewhat mischievously) that the individual in question is one who in all probability has earned his professorship by subscribing to the services of one of those far from reputable institutions which with rather alarming frequency advertise their “merits” via unsolicited e-mail!

As ever Dr Doctor, I convey my warmest regards, but I really do feel that on this occasion your estimable talents would be better directed at those in possession of an intellect somewhat superior to that of a fool."

[taxexile]

mornington crescent anybody?

[Axel]

Talking about 'Gremmar' or was it 'Granma'?

Your guys' education sounds to me like no disertation or was it desert?

Look, I am educational wise very unwise, but at least I got what you need,

a small latrinum and a big rectum or was it Latinum and Grecum?

[dr_Pat_Pong]

Thank you for such kind words Professor Sebastian. Besides the academic 'opportunities' that arrive in one's mailbox, there are those regularly advertised in small print in the Economist and The Wall Street Journal. Goodwill to you for the festive season.

[moses]

Why are there so many post out of topic in here? And why are there so many personal attacks? Should we not take this topic seriosly, many people around the world (men and women) are living in slavery and suffering forced out in the sex industry, eigther by there families or simply by poverty conditions.

Many choose to sell there bodys out of free choice? That is a bad argument, what happens inside a human being who sells sex as a profesion? Many sex workers have lost there own idendity/or are on the way of loosing it, sex workers will sooner or later suffer big emotinal problems because the human soul is very delicate. These are facts that no one hardly talk about... but how can we help as rational human beeings to care for these people?

Unfortunately many of the LADY BARS are owned by westernes, why not give these ladys a decent job with a "good monthly salary" so that they CAN take care of there families in there home villages? Why take advantage of there sitiuation?