The Thaksin Sickness – Obsessiveness & Addiction

[Beetlejuice]

Do not know for sure LaoPo, I'm no expert or claim to be. I can only use my resource of experience from being in the world for so long and what I have witnessed and learned in the past

There are many addictions and people suffering from obsessive behaviour problems.

What about those such as guys who become obsessed with a women, willing to give all for a gold digger, extremists, fanatics, those addicted to porn, drugs, alcohol and so on?

I mean, everyone have some sort of addiction or obsession in their lives, I smoke cigarettes and take the occasional drink, that's just normal human behaviour. I'm talking about when these habits become extreme and excessive.

Could it be that these people are just lacking something, perhaps confidence, or confused with themselves in the real world. Possibly non entities with a need to find themselves and become noticed?

This is a very interesting thread and enjoy reading posters views especially those using logic and not simply prejudice.

I was obsessed with a woman once myself, not in Thailand but my own home country and it has been a horrible experience, a horrible few years of my life. Lost years in fact.

She almost destroyed me.

Later, specialists found out that she actually was a multiple person, she had a multiple personality disorder to be exact.

She was able to change within a split second from the loveliest sweetest woman you've ever met into a real shouting monster....unbelievable and very frightening to experience.

But, I was obsessed with her......sadly enough ...but, I managed to step out of the on-and-off relationship and came out better, much better!

There's a lot of info around:

Addictive behavior

http://en.wikipedia....ictive_behavior

and:

What are addictive behaviors ?

http://www.indiana.e...addictiveb.html

LaoPo

Well, as for your experience with women, I can say that we have all probably been there at some stage in our lives. I can relate to you in every way.

I think most women have multiple personalities that can be switched on at a moments notice.

From a lover, to a whore, to a soul mate and to a someone so distant that we hardly know them all within the period of a relationship.

No one really knows what they are thinking, how they view us or how they feel about us.

I never trust women, not even the best of them. My ex wife was so cold that at times you could get frost bitten by just touching her.

But we learn by experience and as the wise man says; once bitten twice shy.

Edited December 5, 2010 by Beetlejuice

[jdinasia]

For those of us that actually LIVE in Thailand and have our lives, families, businesses etc here and are not posting from some random EU nation; Thaksin and the consequences of his actions are something we have to live with and deal with. It tends to be both timely AND related to Thailand and the political landscape here. (As opposed to those that are fixated with the US or China and constantly try and divert anything to talking about those places

If you follow politics in Thailand and DON'T think that Thaksin is a major issue on the political landscape then there just isn't any help for you

[LaoPo]

For those of us that actually LIVE in Thailand and have our lives, families, businesses etc here and are not posting from some random EU nation; Thaksin and the consequences of his actions are something we have to live with and deal with. It tends to be both timely AND related to Thailand and the political landscape here. (As opposed to those that are fixated with the US or China and constantly try and divert anything to talking about those places

If you follow politics in Thailand and DON'T think that Thaksin is a major issue on the political landscape then there just isn't any help for you

..do I sense some biting Piranhas under the Chao Phraya water surface jdinasia ? Why ? Do I have less right to talk about Thailand than you because you live in LOS ?

FYI, I've been coming and going to LOS for more than 30 years, built businesses in both Thailand, China, Canada and the USA (apart from my companies in Europe), but if you say you have more rights, please be my guest.

I didn't expect such childish behavior from a Gentleman like yourself.

Silly really and totally off topic about the Thaksin Sickness - Obsessiveness & Addiction...or do I sense something you don't want to admit?

Nah...not you....

LaoPo

[jdinasia]

Nope

Just pointing out that we have many types of obsessive personalities that come on ThaiVF ... those that take any chance to bash Thailand, those that try and relate anything to the US, those that aren't anywhere near Thailand and haven't been for ages, those that ... well the list could go on indefinitely!

Then there are those that just don't understand anything about Thai politics and would suggest to others that Thaksin isn't an issue in Thailand That group is the most naive (and in their naivety the most misguided) of all.

BTW --- it is absolutely fine with me if people who have never been to Thailand or those that claim to have 30+ years experience in the country post whatever tripe they come up with! It still won't give much of a clue about what is happening on the ground here though! Just 2 days ago there was a TINY redshirt caravan running down MoonMueang Rd and then back out to the outside. Certainly not much visible support for them right now where I LIVE in Thailand I only saw 7 pictures of Thaksin on that tiny (less than 30 vehicles) parade. The people driving their own cars (there were 2) used red cloth to cover the license plates, both had his picture in the windows

edit to add ----

PS, the Chao Phraya runs through Bangkok, the Ping is here in Chiang Mai (after 30 years .......)

Edited December 5, 2010 by jdinasia

[LaoPo]

Nope

PS, the Chao Phraya runs through Bangkok, the Ping is here in Chiang Mai (after 30 years .......)

1. ..good to hear that you weren't sarcastic but honest and on-topic...

2. Do you really think that I would know where YOU live?

I couldn't care less and never knew until now; I'm not in the least interested in the private circumstances or home address of members, including you, unless I have friendly contact behind the velvet curtains of TV with a limited number of members, and thus don't know which river flows nearby of 99.9% of the members' homes.

I'm only interested in the content of posts, not the members who write them nor where they live.

LaoPo

[jdinasia]

Nope

PS, the Chao Phraya runs through Bangkok, the Ping is here in Chiang Mai (after 30 years .......)

1. ..good to hear that you weren't sarcastic but honest and on-topic...

2. Do you really think that I would know where YOU live?

I couldn't care less and never knew until now; I'm not in the least interested in the private circumstances or home address of members, including you, unless I have friendly contact behind the velvet curtains of TV with a limited number of members, and thus don't know which river flows nearby of 99.9% of the members' homes.

I'm only interested in the content of posts, not the members who write them nor where they live.

LaoPo

Ah,

But the credibility of posters can certainly be questioned when they have no idea of how things actually are in Thailand (because they aren't here etc) If you claim that Thaksin isn't that big of an issue but haven't been in Chiang Mai, haven't seen a redshirt rally in person to know how often he is mentioned, don't know people that have been seriously affected by the violence of his proxies, haven't noticed that his PTP proxy party has never had a shadow government to question the ruling coalition and propose changes but has only had one platform plank ... "bring back Thaksin". Well, if you don't see how not having these experiences might make someone a little less credible ....

When Thaksin is out of the political landscape in Thailand I will be the first to drop him from my talking points. (As I did the PAD after they became nothing more than a useless reactionary group --- once they had settled their main point -- which was preventing PPP from having enough clear time to whitewash Thaksin and TRT. One month after the Abhisit government was elected by parliament the only thing that the PAD was good for was being a lightning rod (via Kasit) for the Reds/PTP.

So, in short ---- yeah it does matter where you live to some degree. It doesn't mean you shouldn't have a voice ... it just means that you only have words to go by (the press, public fora, etc) and no current experience to draw upon.

[LaoPo]

Nope

PS, the Chao Phraya runs through Bangkok, the Ping is here in Chiang Mai (after 30 years .......)

1. ..good to hear that you weren't sarcastic but honest and on-topic...

2. Do you really think that I would know where YOU live?

I couldn't care less and never knew until now; I'm not in the least interested in the private circumstances or home address of members, including you, unless I have friendly contact behind the velvet curtains of TV with a limited number of members, and thus don't know which river flows nearby of 99.9% of the members' homes.

I'm only interested in the content of posts, not the members who write them nor where they live.

LaoPo

Ah,

But the credibility of posters can certainly be questioned when they have no idea of how things actually are in Thailand (because they aren't here etc) If you claim that Thaksin isn't that big of an issue but haven't been in Chiang Mai, haven't seen a redshirt rally in person to know how often he is mentioned, don't know people that have been seriously affected by the violence of his proxies, haven't noticed that his PTP proxy party has never had a shadow government to question the ruling coalition and propose changes but has only had one platform plank ... "bring back Thaksin". Well, if you don't see how not having these experiences might make someone a little less credible ....

When Thaksin is out of the political landscape in Thailand I will be the first to drop him from my talking points. (As I did the PAD after they became nothing more than a useless reactionary group --- once they had settled their main point -- which was preventing PPP from having enough clear time to whitewash Thaksin and TRT. One month after the Abhisit government was elected by parliament the only thing that the PAD was good for was being a lightning rod (via Kasit) for the Reds/PTP.

So, in short ---- yeah it does matter where you live to some degree. It doesn't mean you shouldn't have a voice ... it just means that you only have words to go by (the press, public fora, etc) and no current experience to draw upon.

This topic is about a serious sickness and whatever people think or say, I'm just trying to show the way out to those who are addicted.

The rest is not important.

LaoPo

[whybother]

This topic is about a serious sickness and whatever people think or say, I'm just trying to show the way out to those who are addicted.

The rest is not important.

LaoPo

So, even though Thaksin is in the news in Thailand and is still a significant part of politics for the red shirts and PTP, we're not allowed to post about him?

[jdinasia]

By the looks of that long post your the obsessed and addicted one

Welcome to Thaivisa.....you, being a member for 11 days, you will learn fast enough who's addicted and who's not

Happy reading.

LaoPo

In response to the post above (not the one's quoted in this reply) ... you suggest that there is a disease/illness and compare it with other diseases/illnesses that are listed in the DSM. I am sure that Thaksin addiction isn't there and that this thread is just something from someone who is FAR away from Thailand and doesn't know what is going on here.

So perhaps DiamondKing has it right

edited for typos (and to add) When you can show us that Thaksin addiction is real and not just something made up by someone who has no experience of what is happening in Thailand at the present time. To suggest that people who post about politics in Thailand are mentally ill certainly seems like trolling to me

Edited December 5, 2010 by jdinasia

[LaoPo]

This topic is about a serious sickness and whatever people think or say, I'm just trying to show the way out to those who are addicted.

The rest is not important.

LaoPo

So, even though Thaksin is in the news in Thailand and is still a significant part of politics for the red shirts and PTP, we're not allowed to post about him?

Of course everybody is "allowed" to post but I suggest you read the OP first before you ask a question like that. It's about a compulsive behavior.

LaoPo

[raro]

can you guys stop the bickering and get back on topic? thanks!

Further, it is not allowed to edit other's posts without making it clear that you did so. Since Lao Po's quote is just underneath the opost he quotes, I let it stand.

Now back on topic...

[whybother]

This topic is about a serious sickness and whatever people think or say, I'm just trying to show the way out to those who are addicted.

The rest is not important.

LaoPo

So, even though Thaksin is in the news in Thailand and is still a significant part of politics for the red shirts and PTP, we're not allowed to post about him?

Of course everybody is "allowed" to post but I suggest you read the OP first before you ask a question like that. It's about a compulsive behavior.

LaoPo

Oh ... I think I get it now. It's like your obsessiveness when anyone writes anything against China.

[LaoPo]

This topic is about a serious sickness and whatever people think or say, I'm just trying to show the way out to those who are addicted.

The rest is not important.

LaoPo

So, even though Thaksin is in the news in Thailand and is still a significant part of politics for the red shirts and PTP, we're not allowed to post about him?

Of course everybody is "allowed" to post but I suggest you read the OP first before you ask a question like that. It's about a compulsive behavior.

LaoPo

Oh ... I think I get it now. It's like your obsessiveness when anyone writes anything against China.

Why bother; keep on topic please.

LaoPo

[whybother]

Oh ... I think I get it now. It's like your obsessiveness when anyone writes anything against China.

Why bother; keep on topic please.

LaoPo

Oh ... the topic isn't about being obsessive?

It must be just about attacking people posting about Thaksin then.

[LaoPo]

Oh ... I think I get it now. It's like your obsessiveness when anyone writes anything against China.

Why bother; keep on topic please.

LaoPo

Oh ... the topic isn't about being obsessive?

It must be just about attacking people posting about Thaksin then.

The Thaksin Sickness – Obsessiveness & Addiction ...but it can be cured - if the addicts want..

LaoPo

[whybother]

Oh ... I think I get it now. It's like your obsessiveness when anyone writes anything against China.

Why bother; keep on topic please.

LaoPo

Oh ... the topic isn't about being obsessive?

It must be just about attacking people posting about Thaksin then.

The Thaksin Sickness – Obsessiveness & Addiction ...but it can be cured - if the addicts want..

LaoPo

Yes ... and I'm trying to understand it. I think I gave a pretty good comparison.

[jdinasia]

Oh ... I think I get it now. It's like your obsessiveness when anyone writes anything against China.

Why bother; keep on topic please.

LaoPo

Oh ... the topic isn't about being obsessive?

It must be just about attacking people posting about Thaksin then.

Or about obsessively posting about the US in a Thailand forum

But the simple fact is that the topic is trolling .... There is no Thaksin disorder listed in the DSM, it doesn't match any criteria for addiction nor compulsion listed in the DSM, and is just a continued ad hominem attack. To accuse people who live in Thailand and deal with the political ramifications of the damage done in the past and continuing today (he'd know that if he had any experience in the country worth speaking about, claims of 30 years exp in Thailand don't seem to bear out when you see this.) is simple name calling.

The whole thread is just trolling ... and yes ... I took the bait.

[james24]

Personally I believe Thaksin is not the sickness Thai people have been suffering under, its another person, for the last 60-70 years.

[bangkokcitylimits]

Cha cha mate, the guy's out of play.

no way, he wil come back... when THE moment is there. not hard to guess what he is waiting for.*

guess we should be prepared to get out for a period to one of the neighbors, things could turn nasty.

I'm 'anti' but however, the best people I know are reds, funny...

* for jesus to come back to earth

Edited December 6, 2010 by bangkokcitylimits

[hanuman1]

The Thaksin Sickness – Obsessiveness & Addiction ...but it can be cured - if the addicts want..

I think it's a matter of 'loving to hate' something or someone. Sometimes it just feels so GOOD to trash someone each and every time you do it.

Taksin's track record provides an almost endless stream of wrongdoings, starting with a number of more obvious ones, right down to non-issues that are ripe to be spun into wrongdoings once the obvious and better documented ones are exhausted. So the obsessive finds limitless opportunities to come up with new material and nourish the obsession.

As to the point of the obsession, this is the $40,000 question. At this stage, it can only be speculated about. My personal guess is that each time an obsessive lands a 'punch' on the Taksin punch-bag, he feels slightly better about himself, and at the same time knows that hardly anyone in their right mind would consider deflecting the gist of their post by contending that Taksin did nothing wrong and is unworthy of any criticism.

It's a win-win situation for the addicts for as long as the time they've burned whilst engaging in it has no greater value.

Edited December 6, 2010 by hanuman1

[neverdie]

By the looks of that long post your the obsessed and addicted one

Absolutly spot on reply! Bravo

Usually the addict is quick to point out other peoples obsessions but very slow to address their own

Poor old Laopo....sitting in a darkened room obsessing about others obsessive behaviour and posting about it on anonymous websites

Talk about roping in some of TV's finest koookes .

How are you old mate?

Put out the bait and i'll bite

I'm very well, yourself?

Yes, good thanks. There hasnt been too many bites on this one tho, just the extreemists

[LaoPo]

Yes ... and I'm trying to understand it. I think I gave a pretty good comparison.

Having had addictions myself I think I'm pretty much aware what's an addiction and what's not. My interests in the world's economy, political affairs, many countries and beautiful Ladies are not addictions.

BUT, I have yet to encounter more members (I've seen 2 or 3 so far) who openly admitted they were/are addicted.

What about you? Ever experienced an addiction ?

LaoPo

[LaoPo]

Oh ... I think I get it now. It's like your obsessiveness when anyone writes anything against China.

Why bother; keep on topic please.

LaoPo

Oh ... the topic isn't about being obsessive?

It must be just about attacking people posting about Thaksin then.

Or about obsessively posting about the US in a Thailand forum

Here's your answer:

LaoPo

[whybother]

Yes ... and I'm trying to understand it. I think I gave a pretty good comparison.

Having had addictions myself I think I'm pretty much aware what's an addiction and what's not. My interests in the world's economy, political affairs, many countries and beautiful Ladies are not addictions.

BUT, I have yet to encounter more members (I've seen 2 or 3 so far) who openly admitted they were/are addicted.

What about you? Ever experienced an addiction ?

LaoPo

Well then, using your posting history as a comparison, I certainly don't have a posting addiction then.

For all other things, I don't believe I have ever had an addiction.

[LaoPo]

For all other things, I don't believe I have ever had an addiction.

Good for you! Keep up the perfect behaving attitude.

LaoPo

[whybother]

For all other things, I don't believe I have ever had an addiction.

Good for you! Keep up the perfect behaving attitude.

LaoPo

I never said anything about perfect ... just not addicted.

[LaoPo]

For all other things, I don't believe I have ever had an addiction.

Good for you! Keep up the perfect behaving attitude.

LaoPo

I never said anything about perfect ... just not addicted.

Ok, you're correct; I've changed it into: Keep up the behaving attitude, meaning I applaud that you were never addicted.

LaoPo

Edited December 6, 2010 by LaoPo

[afarang]

Personally I believe Thaksin is not the sickness Thai people have been suffering under, its another person, for the last 60-70 years.

Spot on

[whybother]

Personally I believe Thaksin is not the sickness Thai people have been suffering under, its another person, for the last 60-70 years.

Spot on

But this thread isn't about "who the Thai people have been suffering under", so best not to get into that.

[Huey]

Personally I believe Thaksin is not the sickness Thai people have been suffering under, its another person, for the last 60-70 years.

Spot on

REALLY???

And who might that be?